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Fisker Karma
Karma hybrid sports sedan will be built by Valmet Automotive

Fisker Automotive announced that it is teaming up with Valmet Automotive in Finland to build its plug-in Karma hybrid sports sedan. Valmet has experience with sports cars; Motor Trend

reports that Fisker is the manufacturer for several Porsche models including the Cayman and Boxster.

Fisker Automotive says that the Karma will have an all electric range of 50 miles and that its full range will be 350 miles. Over its entire gasoline assisted 350 mile range, Fisker claims that the Karma can achieve a fuel economy rating of 100 MPG.

The Karma is a high-end hybrid sedan and Fisker expects to sell 15,000 of the cars annually, with more than half of the sales coming from Europe. That makes a European manufacturer for the Karma a good fit. Fisker does say that it has an American manufacturing facility it plans to use for future models.

Much like the Tesla Roadster that went into production in March, the Karma is an attractive hybrid with performance roots. Fisker says that the Karma can reach a top speed of 125 mph and can hit 60 mph in under six seconds.

Motor Trend says that it is estimated that 800 orders for the Karma have already been placed overseas and that 44 distributors have signed up here in America to sell the car. The Karma is expected to hit dealerships in America in Q4 2009 as a 2010 model and be available in Europe in early 2010.

DailyTech reported in January 2008 that the price for the Karma will be $80,000.



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What's the point?
By flyingrooster on 7/17/2008 2:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
If you're going to spend $80k on a car, you obviously have enough money not to care about the price of gas and MPG, especially when you can get a faster car, say a BWM M3 for a lot less. People looking for high MPG usually don't have this kind of bank.




RE: What's the point?
By Indianapolis on 7/17/2008 3:20:16 PM , Rating: 4
The "point" is that the technology should eventually trickle down as manufacturing methods improve and economies of scale come into play.


RE: What's the point?
By Solandri on 7/17/2008 3:47:18 PM , Rating: 4
Right. Too many people poo-poo the rich early adopters for "splurging" with their money on "toys", not realizing it's that early cash influx which makes later wide-scale low-cost production possible.


RE: What's the point?
By rudy on 7/20/2008 12:37:53 PM , Rating: 2
True plus electric cars can be made to accelerate faster then gas powered cars. Which makes it cool, also the simple fact it is a new car with a new drive system in will mean that many will be interested in buying it for the wow appeal which is what people buy sports cars for any way right? Sitting around talking to the chicks about the old BMW will not be as cool as telling them your ride is not only fast but green. You are sure to get laid.


RE: What's the point?
By OxBow on 7/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: What's the point?
By masher2 (blog) on 7/17/2008 6:29:04 PM , Rating: 5
> "The idea that this tech will be funded by the well heeled and that it'll eventually trickle down to the masses is bull..."

You're right. Those $6,000 personal computers didn't eventually trickle down into $500 PCs anyone could afford.

Those $5,000 car phones didn't eventually trickle down into cell phones given away free with an account.

Those $75,000 custom-installed big screen TVs didn't trickle down into $1500 units sold in department stores.

Those $5,000 fax machines and laser printers didn't trickle down into models any home office can afford.

Those $10,000 portable GPS units didn't trickle down into $100 models people can stick on their dashboard.

You're right. Technology never trickles down.


RE: What's the point?
By Silver2k7 on 7/17/2008 7:01:00 PM , Rating: 3
yeah your right not those $10,000 1x CD-ROM burners either ;)


RE: What's the point?
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/17/2008 7:07:32 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when landline telephones were only for the rich...
Well, I remember my grandparents telling me about it :D


RE: What's the point?
By nah on 7/18/2008 12:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the first CD-Writers cost USD 149,000 and couldn't even do data--for that you had to add a 14,000 USD contraption--this was way back in 1988


RE: What's the point?
By Indianapolis on 7/17/2008 7:29:33 PM , Rating: 4
Wow. You just blew my mind. I never imagined using the word "trickle" would inspire someone to go on an anti-Bush rant. And it certainly wasn't my intention to "trickle" on anyone.

Your arguments aside, this is a well-established pattern in the automotive (and most any) industry. For example, safety features such as an electronic stability system and side impact airbags that were formerly found on upper-end model automobiles are now available on lower-end models as well.


RE: What's the point?
By phxfreddy on 7/17/2008 3:22:51 PM , Rating: 5
Going through Richy Rich's Brain - I am bored of this global warming thing....its gone out of style. Next crisis please! This one does not match my shoes.

Going through logical nonreligious engineers brain: Global Warming is a farcical con however on the other hand early adopters pay for the development that bring new developments to mass market. Maybe if we do not send 700 billion out of the country every year for oil the dollar collapse will stop.


RE: What's the point?
By Frallan on 7/18/2008 4:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
Ppl with that sort of money sometimes also have a brain and think about what they are doing from diffrent perspectives. Such as an enviromental perspective. They are also the ppl that can affor to buy green and thereby creating economy of scale that allows the tech to trickle down to normal consumers.

Its usually ppl without money that think like u posted.


RE: What's the point?
By FITCamaro on 7/20/2008 8:50:06 AM , Rating: 2
The majority of people with that kind of money who care about their gas mileage are normally celebrities trying to get on camera.


RE: What's the point?
By juuvan on 7/18/2008 4:48:06 AM , Rating: 2
well now there is a more economical and environmental friendly way to get rid of your excess money.

BTW for reference, due to the CO2 based taxtation the BMV M3 would set you back 110000€, roughly $175000, here in Finland. The Karma would probably be a lot cheaper here compared to the M3.


RE: What's the point?
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 7/18/2008 11:04:10 AM , Rating: 2
I think you overlook your assumption that just because someone can afford a pricey car, that they don't care about anything else. Perhaps you are showing us your own bias. I can afford a BMW 5 Series, but I drive a Camry Hybrid bacause it is good for everyone. I can afford $4 per gallon for gas, but now I only have to burn half of what I normally might. This puts the US in a better security position, saves resources, prevents burning polluting fuels, and helps keep demand down so that costs don't continue to go up and lock out those who can't afford $4 per gallon. At least I am doing something.


RE: What's the point?
By Mojo the Monkey on 7/18/2008 12:41:06 PM , Rating: 2
heck, I think its worth it for the exotic looks and origin. You cant really go around peeling out under 5 seconds at every stop light anyways.


RE: What's the point?
By Enoch2001 on 7/18/2008 1:57:06 PM , Rating: 2
Just because you're rich doesn't mean you don't care about efficiency. Freak'n 100mpg and 60mph @ 6 seconds is a good car no matter which way you slice it. Save some fossil fuels and speed around in a sleek sports car? Who wouldn't want that?


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