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Viscount Monckton gives a presentation during the 2007 Conference on Climate Change
"Considerable presence" of skeptics


Updated 7/17/2008

After publication of this story, the APS responded with a  statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large. 


The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming.  The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science.  The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."

The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity -- the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause -- has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling.   A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.

Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"

In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method." 

According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."

Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming.   "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."



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RE: How many more nails?
By karkas on 7/17/2008 12:56:26 AM , Rating: 3
That's true, they have a long list of hysterics, I'm sure greenpeace is cooking up the next one as we speak. MMGW will just fade away and won't draw any media attention and people will muse to themselves 20 years from now... what ever happened to all that global warming stuff a long time ago. It's a real shame, if the mainstream media actually did their jobs without letting their agenda's & paradigm's interfere we could learn a lot from this fiasco.


RE: How many more nails?
By just4U on 7/17/2008 1:03:00 AM , Rating: 2
It's still getting tons of media attention. It's still got Politicians campaigning for sweeping changes. It's still got the backing of the UN. It's still got the majority of the public by the balls as they don't know about alot of the reports that are coming out against it.

I don't know .. I keep thinking the damage is already done regardless of weather it was all a farce or not.


RE: How many more nails?
RE: How many more nails?
By myhipsi on 7/17/2008 10:19:23 AM , Rating: 2
FITCamero = funny

I'm a bit of a stickler for spelling, punctuation, and grammer too :P


RE: How many more nails?
By kbehrens on 7/17/2008 10:23:51 AM , Rating: 5
Do you mean grammar ? :P


RE: How many more nails?
By myhipsi on 7/17/2008 10:30:49 AM , Rating: 5
Damn it, now I look like an idiot :P

... (Checks spelling of last sentence)...


RE: How many more nails?
By plinkplonk on 7/17/2008 1:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
if you use firefox 3 it does spell checking for you as you type ;)


RE: How many more nails?
By fibreoptik on 7/24/2008 10:50:44 AM , Rating: 2
oh that's super. god forbid anyone should "lern 2 reed an rite propurley" :p


RE: How many more nails?
By ElBrujo on 7/25/2008 3:51:58 AM , Rating: 2
Or, g*d forbid, that IE 7 can do it, too. Most of the reasons that I've heard people give for liking Firefox better are addressed by a single IE plug-in: IE 7 Pro.

I'm not saying that Firefox doesn't have its uses...


RE: How many more nails?
By Jedi2155 on 7/28/2008 2:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
Except that its built in with Firefox versus a plug-in for the IE. Extra install versus its just there....


RE: How many more nails?
By quickk on 7/17/2008 3:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
This seems to be a universal law: whenever someone ridicules someone else about spelling or grammar, they are bound to make a mistake themselves.

My favorite reply: your an idiot.


RE: How many more nails?
By therealnickdanger on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: How many more nails?
By quickk on 7/17/2008 6:16:04 PM , Rating: 2
I was pointing out that I find it hilarious when people reply "your an idiot" instead of "you're an idiot."

I wasn't saying that I love to reply "your an idiot."

I guess I should of made that a bit more clear...


RE: How many more nails?
By YEYO on 7/18/2008 5:21:51 AM , Rating: 5
The information in this article is not accurate. In the APS website there's a notice denying this. This view represents only one member opinion that he wrote in an article. In no way it represents de official stand of the APS. The offcial point of view of the APS is that global warming is cause by man made CO2 emissions.

For more info check their website: http://www.aps.org/


RE: How many more nails?
By elgueroloco on 7/25/2008 3:09:43 PM , Rating: 2
The information in the article is quite accurate, you just didn't bother to read it all. It mentions right in the article that the main APS site has disavowed the debate and that it is only taking place within the Physics & Society department. If you go to the post, you will see that they newletter editor is publishing two articles this month, one against MMGW and one for it. It's a debate. Nobody ever said they APS changed its policy.


RE: How many more nails?
By mthrndr on 7/18/2008 11:47:52 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, you should HAVE made it clearer.


RE: How many more nails?
By jbartabas on 7/18/2008 11:51:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guess I should of made that a bit more clear...


It was crystal clear, actually. But you should consider that "your" dealing mostly with idiots around here ...


RE: How many more nails?
By DPercy on 7/24/2008 8:50:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yes JbartAnAss, you're the best idiot of the bunch. Actually, you're mentally sick and should be drugged up in an Instatution. Maybe you're there now.


RE: How many more nails?
By B3an on 7/22/2008 1:01:26 AM , Rating: 2
No it was obvious. He's just an idiot.


RE: How many more nails?
By Mojo the Monkey on 7/18/2008 12:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
and you spelled his name wrong


RE: How many more nails?
By grenableu on 7/17/2008 9:57:22 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the EPA just announced a huge set of new regulations to restrict CO2. Senator Inhofe has called it the most economically destructive act the federal government has taken in fifty years.


RE: How many more nails?
By Polynikes on 7/21/2008 9:38:26 PM , Rating: 1
Unfortunately, I think you're right. The damage is done, we will have spent ungodly amounts of money "fixing" this "problem" before we realize it wasn't really a problem.


RE: How many more nails?
By Ringold on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: How many more nails?
By Fluxion on 7/17/2008 3:00:54 PM , Rating: 1
I think one of the largest reasons for lunar colonization is for the exploitation of its resources, lol. Once we're done strip-mining it, nobody will ever have known that its surface was once crater-laden.


RE: How many more nails?
By grenableu on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: How many more nails?
By Polynikes on 7/21/2008 9:35:12 PM , Rating: 1
The moon is a rock with no life on it. Who gives a crap if we mine it?


RE: How many more nails?
By ikkeman2 on 7/23/2008 1:44:56 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure it'll be real romantic.
You take your girl (or guy - whatever tickles your fancy) to the lake. serve your prepared piknick with a cooler or wine (or a bottle of schotch - again, tickle away). and after the sun sets you spend a few memorable hours in the warmth of your campfire.

The perfect ending to this scenario is offcourse staring up at the new stripmine site...
Or Nike might pay billions to get their logo carved into it's surface... It'll be a massive job, but the chinese build a wall you can see from space with only manual labour - I'm sure our tech is advanced enough to carve a buetiful nike sign in luna's face.

not that I'm against strip-mining, but i can see some of their points.


RE: How many more nails?
By YEYO on 7/18/2008 4:53:21 AM , Rating: 1
The information in this article is not accurate. In the APS website there's a notice denying this. This view represents only one member opinion that he wrote in an article. In no way it represents de official stand of the APS. The offcial point of view of the APS is that global warming is cause by man made CO2 emissions.

For more info check their website: http://www.aps.org/

Sorry Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck uneducated followers


RE: How many more nails?
By calvin0007 on 7/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: How many more nails?
By mahax on 7/18/2008 12:39:45 PM , Rating: 3
Do'h, things change over a loooong time. You know, America broke off of Africa etc. And 4000 years is a bit longer than the industrialized era which during we presumably caused the GW. The whole point isn't the change, but the rate it's happening at.


RE: How many more nails?
By Hoser McMoose on 7/18/2008 8:57:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
These little things keep bugging me; why did the Vikings call Greenland, Greenland in the 10th century AD?

Possibly because the south of Greenland, where they landed, IS green?

Take a look at pictures of the place sometime. A little bit rocky, but otherwise it reminds me a LOT of Ireland (and certainly similar to Newfoundland). You don't have to go very far North in the country until it's covered in ice, but the Vikings landed on the Southernmost tip.

The name 'Greenland' is neither proof nor disproof of anything other than the name of an island.


RE: How many more nails?
By masher2 (blog) on 7/18/2008 9:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
> "The name 'Greenland' is neither proof nor disproof of anything other than the name of an island. "

There is no doubt that Greenland was substantially warming during the Viking colonization than it is today. I've posted the studies to demonstrate such many times before. The coming of the Little Ice Age cooled the continent by some 2-3C and spelled the end of the Viking settlements.


RE: How many more nails?
By Hoser McMoose on 7/18/2008 9:16:02 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, Greenland was warmer when the Vikings colonized the place vs. when they died off or left. The temperature data may be of some interest, the name 'Greenland' is not.

Temperature data is science, 'Greenland' is just the name of an island in the North Atlantic.


RE: How many more nails?
By darmbruster on 7/19/2008 11:07:28 AM , Rating: 5
the true story: They called green Iceland ICEland and the Icy Greenland GREENland to keep people from setting Iceland. It was a trick... or so they say...



RE: How many more nails?
By darmbruster on 7/19/2008 11:08:58 AM , Rating: 2
correction: settling


RE: How many more nails?
By mthrndr on 7/18/2008 11:52:55 AM , Rating: 1
YEYO, continue using that yeyo, and remain oblivious to reality. None of us care.


RE: How many more nails?
By macintyred on 7/18/2008 1:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
I noticed you didn't include Rush Limbaugh with O'Reilly and Beck.

from http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06Limba...
quote:
Limbaugh’s audience is often underestimated by critics who don’t listen to the show (only 3 percent of his audience identify themselves as “liberal,” according to the nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People and the Press). Recently, Pew reported that, on a series of “news knowledge questions,” Limbaugh’s “Dittoheads” — the defiantly self-mocking term for his faithful, supposedly brainwashed, audience — scored higher than NPR listeners. The study found that “readers of newsmagazines, political magazines and business magazines, listeners of Rush Limbaugh and NPR and viewers of the Daily Show and C-SPAN are also much more likely than the average person to have a college degree.”


RE: How many more nails?
By WTFiSJuiCE on 7/21/2008 6:46:44 AM , Rating: 3
This just in from the APS.

They've debated the global warming issue and after much deliberation, they have finally come to a consensus.

The answer to Global Warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU&feature...


RE: How many more nails?
By WTFiSJuiCE on 7/21/2008 6:48:29 AM , Rating: 2
OMG! It makes so much sense =D.

Now I can finally understand what they're talking about


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