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AMD's 12-core and 8-core processors get a new home in 2010

AMD's newest roadmap reveals a major shift in early 2010: the company will once again overhaul its socket architecture to make way for DDR3 support. 

The new socket, dubbed G34, will also ship with two new second-generation 45nm processors. The first of these processors, 8-core Sao Paolo, is described as a "twin native-quadcore Shanghai processor" by one AMD engineer.  Shanghai, expected to ship late this year, is AMD's first 45nm shrink of the ill-fated Barcelona processor. 

This past April, AMD guidance hinted at a 12-core behemoth of a processor.  This CPU is now named Magny-Cours after the French town made famous by its Formula One French Grand Prix circuit. 

Both of these new processors will feature four HyperTransport 3 interconnects, 12MB of L3 cache and 512KB L2 cache per core.

Intel's next-generation Nehalem chip, scheduled for launch late this year but already well leaked, is the first to feature tri-channel DDR3 memory support.  AMD will up the ante in 2010, with registered and unregistered quad-channel DDR3 support.  Current roadmaps claim standard support will include speeds from 800 to 1600 MHz.

AMD insiders would reveal very little about the G34 socket, other than its a derivative of the highly secretive G3 socket that was to replace Socket F (1207). As far as company documentation goes, G3 ceased to exist in March 2008, and has been replaced with the G34 program instead.  The first of these sockets will be available for developers in early 2009.

We counted 1974 pin connects on the leaked G34 diagram -- 767 more pins than AMD's current LGA1207 socket.  Given the additional interconnect pathways for DDR3 and the HyperTransport buses, a significant increase in the number of pins was to be expected.

The addition of a fourth HyperTransport link may prove to be one of the most interesting features of the Sao Paulo and Magny-Cours processors. In a full four-socket configuration, each physical processor will dedicate a HyperTransport link to each of the other sockets. This leaves one additional HyperTransport lane per processor, which AMD documentation claims will finally be used for its long-discussed Torrenza program.

The hype behind Torrenza largely disappeared after AMD's Barcelona launch sour, though the company has hinted before that Torrenza will make a perfect interconnect to GPUs or IBM Cell processors.  This is exactly the type of setup roadmapped for the fastest public supercomputer in the world, IBM's Roadrunner.

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RE: Magny-Cours?
By Some1ne on 7/16/2008 8:26:34 PM , Rating: 5
I read it as "mangy cores". Probably not what AMD was going for.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Gul Westfale on 7/16/2008 10:14:13 PM , Rating: 3
they gave their chip a french codename... is this a freudian slip involving defeatism?


RE: Magny-Cours?
By niaaa on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Magny-Cours?
By randomly on 7/17/2008 8:08:05 AM , Rating: 2
Yes it is.

lighten up.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Einy0 on 7/17/2008 10:39:16 AM , Rating: 2
No not really... It's pretty lame... Not their fault Germany trampled them twice, World War 1 & 2 for the less educated amongst us. They just happened to be an easy target at the time.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Topweasel on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Magny-Cours?
By bandstand124 on 7/17/2008 12:12:00 PM , Rating: 2
You ignorance is literally astounding. You should try and get your history from more reliable sources other than the TV.

You seem to imply that being born and raised in France makes you a coward. Which is of course, ridiculous.

You are talking about human suffering on a massive scale as if it is a football game. In WWI the soldiers were actually stabbing each other to death and yet to you they run away if "they break a nail".

What country are you from by the way?

RE: Magny-Cours?
By omnicronx on 7/17/2008 3:17:38 PM , Rating: 3
Don't worry, I always love how almost all Americans hate the french, yet almost no Americans know that they can thank France for their independence, whom supplied America with weapons, and blockaded the English during the revolutionary war.

Most are also pretty blind to the fact that the French bordered two of the three main axis countries during WW2, and if England or any other allied nation was in the same position as France (i.e not on an island), they probably would have been trampled too. It also did not help that the french had a bunch of giant forts, and the Germans just decided to go around them, but that does not make them cowardly, that just makes the generals of the time very stupid.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Ryanman on 7/17/2008 4:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually we are fully aware how the french helped us. This was back when they were a superpower, a brief period in colonial times where (as someone already pointed out) they had a midget controlling their army.

And we would actually fare MUCH better in an invasion, since 40% of our citizens are legally armed, not to mention the crooks in cities with stolen guns.

In any case, don't take it as a personal insult. It's just that France has been steamrolled since the 1800's is all : )

RE: Magny-Cours?
By omnicronx on 7/18/2008 9:33:12 AM , Rating: 3
In any case, don't take it as a personal insult. It's just that France has been steamrolled since the 1800's is all : )
I don't take it as an insult, I am not french, but what does France being steamrolled since WW1 (not the 1800's, but thats only if you consider Napoleon and the biggest European army ever assembled up to that point a superpower) have to do with the fact that almost every American hates France, and most of which have no idea why, other than their funny accents when they speak in english.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By StillPimpin on 7/18/2008 1:44:31 PM , Rating: 1
I don't take it as an insult, I am not french, but what does France being steamrolled since WW1 (not the 1800's, but thats only if you consider Napoleon and the biggest European army ever assembled up to that point a superpower) have to do with the fact that almost every American hates France, and most of which have no idea why, other than their funny accents when they speak in english.

Most Americans don't hate the French we just, because of their recent and past history see them as what they are, less fighters and more of a high fashion designer.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By rudy on 7/22/2008 12:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yes we buy lots of louie vuitton in the US.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By krwhite on 7/19/2008 5:38:49 AM , Rating: 2
No, most people in America don't hate the French. Not at all! Go up to people, and ask them if they 'hate' the French; I seriously doubt you'll get anything like 60/40. There's literally no reason to.

In many ways, our cultures are different, but that's in no way spawning hatred on a mass scale.

I think if you were to run into anyone with resentment towards French, the underlying factor of that would seem to be 'they hate us too!' .. That's all.

Bring an average american, and an average french person together, and they'll most likely have the same likelyhood of becoming friends as any other two people. It's just complete idiocy to think we blindly hate each other under any circumstance.

So I must put this out there, because most people who comment are too extreme on everything; most likely from being alone at a computer with your emotions boiling for no rational reason. Either its this, its Vista, its the Xbox, or whatever. Silence, you idle minded people.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By SiliconJon on 7/22/2008 7:49:34 PM , Rating: 1
I don't know...retardation seems to be spreading like a virus around these parts (USA), with all the O'reily-ites, Hannity Heads, Coulter Creeps, Limbaughneers, etc. Sure, they have some valid opinions, and I'm sure there are at least some equivalents on the "left" as well, but the amount of idiocy I hear the fans of these clowns parroting is a sign of the times in which society has decimated itself exactly as it has in the past so many times, over and over. These parrots love to be a part of this team which has decided to hate France since they stood up to our then soon to be war / international crimes. Also, blind hatred is prevalent in mankind, not the opposite.

In fact, freedom and rationality seem to be more of an exception in our history than a norm, though just one who truly masters it tends to outshine a million who do not.

I'm not trying to buzzkill anyone, but in order to address a problem you have to see it, though plenty will never see it as a problem.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Strunf on 7/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: Magny-Cours?
By m1ldslide1 on 7/17/2008 12:34:38 PM , Rating: 4
Your reasoning is as impressive as your grammar. Calling the French cowardly for fleeing the fight in Vietnam is laughably ignorant - I'm not even going to try to address that one for you. Maybe a history book would help some.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Gul Westfale on 7/17/2008 7:10:33 PM , Rating: 4
it was a joke, lighten up.
for the record, i have been an alain prost fan since childhood, despite being german.

also, napoleon was not a midget but of average height for a frenchman at the time; it was not france alone that caved in WW2 (the french had the help of the british expeditionary force at the time of hitler's invasion), and colonialism was wrong; no matter who was in charge.

can we now stop this nonsense and get back to flaming each other about who makes the best graphics chip?

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Strunf on 7/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Magny-Cours?
By yacoub on 7/18/2008 8:15:01 AM , Rating: 5
"In France, after the First World War, the teachers’ unions launched a systematic purge of textbooks, in order to promote internationalism and pacifism.

Books that depicted the courage and self-sacrifice of soldiers who had defended France against the German invaders were called “bellicose” books to be banished from the schools.

Textbook publishers caved in to the power of the teachers’ unions, rather than lose a large market for their books. History books were sharply revised to conform to internationalism and pacifism.

In Britain, Winston Churchill warned that a country “cannot avoid war by dilating upon its horrors.” In France, Marshal Philippe Petain, the victor at Verdun, warned in 1934 that teachers were trying to “raise our sons in ignorance of or in contempt of the fatherland.”

But they were voices drowned out by the pacifist and internationalist rhetoric of the 1920s and 1930s.

Did it matter? Does patriotism matter?

France, where pacifism and internationalism were strongest, became a classic example of how much it can matter.

During the First World War, France fought on against the German invaders for four long years, despite having more of its soldiers killed than all the American soldiers killed in all the wars in the history of the United States, put together.

But during the Second World War, France collapsed after just six weeks of fighting and surrendered to Nazi Germany. At the bitter moment of defeat the head of the French teachers’ union was told, “You are partially responsible for the defeat.”

Charles de Gaulle, Francois Mauriac, and other Frenchmen blamed a lack of national will or general moral decay, for the sudden and humiliating collapse of France in 1940.

At the outset of the invasion, both German and French generals assessed French military forces as more likely to gain victory, and virtually no one expected France to collapse like a house of cards — except Adolf Hitler, who had studied French society instead of French military forces.

Did patriotism matter? It mattered more than superior French tanks and planes. ..."

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Donkeyshins on 7/22/2008 3:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot about their defeat in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1.

And Napoleon's defeat at Moscow and then Waterloo in the early 1800s. And defeats in Vietnam and Algiers in the 1950s and 60s.

RE: Magny-Cours?
By silversound on 7/17/2008 1:35:22 PM , Rating: 1
Hope AMD can bring some real performance this time, intel's nehalem really kinda a disappointment, only see 20%-30% performance boost compare to penryn in the benchs, where's the 2X performance boasted at the begining of the year?

RE: Magny-Cours?
By Chocobollz on 7/19/2008 5:02:13 AM , Rating: 2
LOL! Wrong house dude? Didn't you live 5 blocks from here? :-}

RE: Magny-Cours?
By kattanna on 7/17/2008 3:24:10 PM , Rating: 3

this always makes me chuckle. thanks for reminding me of it again.

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