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Best Buy Sunday ad scan.

Target Sunday ad scan.
Microsoft prepares to drop the price on its mid-range Xbox 360 model

There have been rumors swirling around the internet for the past week that Microsoft would drop the price of its Xbox 360 Pro system from $349.99 to $299.99. The speculation was fueled by leaked ad scans from various brick and mortar retailers.

The price cut is all but confirmed by new GameStop signage which was forwarded to Engadget and Joystiq. The internal store memo shows that the price of the Xbox 360 Pro will fall to $299.99 on Sunday, July 13.

Further confirmation came today from a leaked Best Buy Sunday ad which also shows the new $299.99 price as a "$50 Price Drop". Target is going even further by not only mirroring the $299.99 price tag, but also tossing in a $25 Target gift card instantly with the purchase of an Xbox 360 Pro.

Interestingly enough, there is no word on a price cut for the current low-end Xbox 360 Core system which is priced at $279. With only $20 separating two consoles, sales of the Core are likely to take a huge dive unless Microsoft makes complementary price cuts to the system.

Microsoft last cut the price on the Xbox 360 Pro back in early August, 2007. At that time, the price was cut from $399.99 to $349.99.

Updated 7/13/2008
Microsoft made the official announcement today that the 20GB Xbox 360 will now be priced at $299.99 while supplies last. A new, 60GB model will be introduced in early August to occupy the previous $349.99 price point.

Once all supplies of the 20GB model are depleted, the Xbox 360 family will consists of the $299.99 Xbox 360 Arcade, $349.99 60GB Xbox 360, and the $449 120GB Xbox 360 Elite.

 

 



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Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By knitecrow on 7/9/2008 4:36:12 PM , Rating: 3
What Microsoft really needs is a redesigned xbox 360 that is smaller, quieter, and more reliable. It would be a plus if they made wi-fi standard. I love my xbox 360 but had 3 die on me. I hate how my xbox sounds like a jet engine. I buy a new unit if they can fix the problems with the current unit. Like a xbox 360 slim.

It makes sense to keep the arcade around and have it go against the wii. Rumors are MS will introduce a new motion controller. They need a Xii, low end SKU for $199 that comes with 1GB of flash memory standard for storage, plus motion controller, plus some party game.




By FITCamaro on 7/9/2008 4:44:16 PM , Rating: 4
Why does it need to be smaller? Its the same size if not smaller than the PS3. And the PS3 is freakin heavy too for a console.

As far as the noise of my 360. No complaints here.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/9/2008 4:50:48 PM , Rating: 2
My Xbox 360 was LOUD. Especially with disc spinning up. My 40GB PS3 is nearly silent.

My Xbox 360 also RROD'd twice (making me have to pack it up and ship it back to MS), so I got rid of it -- too much of a hassle.


By bighairycamel on 7/9/2008 5:03:28 PM , Rating: 5
Same boat here. I'm on my 2nd 360 and it is nearly dead (no RROD, but constant disc read errors on every disc after 5 mins of play).

With free online play, wireless ethernet, and better reliablity, the extra cost to get a PS3 is looking very negligable at this point. I would be happy to pay extra not to deal with another dead system in 12 months.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By ioKain on 7/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By daftrok on 7/9/2008 5:15:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah it sucks now he has to play online for FREE. What a loss!


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By SiN on 7/10/2008 2:23:02 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah... What you said. He gets to play online, for free, with 1 game.
Screw Xbox360 :P


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By Bigjee on 7/13/2008 10:53:57 PM , Rating: 1
That too and the fact that the Ps3 has Wifi and you don't have to pay an additional $100 to get WiFi adapter just so that you can go online wireless.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By BansheeX on 7/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By Hiawa23 on 7/9/2008 6:47:45 PM , Rating: 3
I am sorry as I own both consoles, & own maybe 5 PS3 games & damn near 30 Xbox 360 games so the libraries are nowhere near close, especially since I buy all multiplatform games on the 360, since in most cases they are better than the PS3 offerings.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By BansheeX on 7/9/2008 7:42:56 PM , Rating: 1
I'm looking at a list of cross-platform titles right now. GTA IV, Oblivion, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5, FEAR, Soul Calibur IV, Civilization Revolutions, Orange Box, Unreal Tournament III, Assassin's Creed, Guitar Hero, BioShock (eventually), Rock Band, all sports games, etc, etc... Point out where I went wrong in my last post, I'm not seeing what you are. In the above titles, I believe reviewers gave the PS3 nods over the 360 for Oblivion , DMC4, GTA IV, and UT3. 360 got nods over the PS3 for Orange Box, Assassin's Creed, and FEAR.


By StevoLincolnite on 7/10/2008 2:52:02 AM , Rating: 4
GTA IV has shown to look better on the 360 than the PS3 Version. (I have it on both consoles, the lighting and shadows look better on the 360).

Oblivion is much better on the PC in my opinion because of the stupidly large amounts of Mods, and OldOblivion basically allows any PC with Shader Model 1.0/1.1 to run the game, Plus with the Multi-Player mod your laughing.

The reason why the 360 has better Graphics than the PS3 is because the GPU is capable of more advanced effects, however the PS3 has shown to have a little bit better texture quality in some cases.

Both consoles are great (I have both) but I must admit I do watch movies on the PS3 more than I play the games, I have found that picking up Xbox 360 games is easier and more available than that of the PS3, as most stores are still selling PS2 games thus eating up the shelf space, might be a bit different else where but that's what I noticed here.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By afkrotch on 7/10/2008 4:17:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
GTA IV has shown to look better on the 360 than the PS3 Version. (I have it on both consoles, the lighting and shadows look better on the 360).


According to review sites, both are good. PS3 has a blurring effect, so that objects aren't jagged. The 360 doesn't really do this as much so things are clear and crisp. At the same time though, can also be jagged.

Review sites lean towards the 360 or the PS3. That's really all user preference though.

quote:
Oblivion is much better on the PC in my opinion because of the stupidly large amounts of Mods, and OldOblivion basically allows any PC with Shader Model 1.0/1.1 to run the game, Plus with the Multi-Player mod your laughing.


I think it's better on PC also and not even cause of the mods. It was the stupid FPS spikes on the 360. It'd happen often when you run out into the woods, which I did a whole lot of.

Just horrible coding I guess, as it ran fine on the PC and PS3.

Me, I have US PS2, Japanese PS2, Japanese PS3, Japanese 360, and US 360. J-PS3 doesn't accept PS2 controllers and those adapters don't work, so gotta keep my old one around. Keeping old US PS2 for my US games as J-PS3 doesn't play them. 360 has region encoded games so I need both of them.

I order all my games online and I find PS3 has more games to my liking than 360. Still more of a PC gamer than console though. So if an FPS, RTS, RPG, etc is on all systems, I get the PC version. Then PS3, then 360. I try not to put stress onto my 360s, as they break a lot it seems. My current J-360 is my 3rd one. 1st 2 broke.


By Ticholo on 7/13/2008 10:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
"My current J-360 is my 3rd one. 1st 2 broke."

Just out of curiosity, how did you go about getting them fixed? Or did you just replace the broken ones?
Either way, doesn't sound like too much fun :)


By B3an on 7/14/2008 5:09:07 AM , Rating: 3
"According to review sites, both are good. PS3 has a blurring effect"

That blurry effect, is not a blur effect at all. It's because the PS3 renders the GTA4 at a lower res than the 360.
Which is what made me go for the 360 version as i own both consoles.
I usually find the 360 version looks/runs better when a game is cross platform. I download demos on each console of the same game if i can.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By BansheeX on 7/10/2008 8:34:09 AM , Rating: 1
Ohh, so you're going to bring the PC into it now? In that case, let's move to PC for Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 (eventually). There go your exclusives, mine are still intact. Why should I buy a 360 again?


By StevoLincolnite on 7/10/2008 12:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
Some games belong on the console, some on the PC, I would rather play the Halo Franchise on the xbox than the PC, as it's a game you can enjoy sitting on the couch, where-as StarCraft it's highly impossible to get everything done quickly and efficiently on a controller (As demonstrated on the Nintendo 64's version of StarCraft).


By BansheeX on 7/10/2008 6:40:52 PM , Rating: 1
You're fighting a strawman, I never argued that certain genres will play better on a PC's mouse. And any experienced gamer will tell you that the mouse is preferred over a gamepad for both RTS and FPS, and Halo is an FPS. You enjoying Halo on your couch means nothing, the game is also on PC and can be enjoyed on PC. Thus Halo 3, Gears of War, and Mass Effect aren't exclusives. So I'm going to stick with my PC and PS3 to enjoy the most games and blu-ray movies, and you can buy a 360 in addition for the few measly exclusives that can't be had on either.


By deeznuts on 7/10/2008 1:39:06 PM , Rating: 3
In most cases multiplats WERE better on the 360, not anymore. Now they're minute differences, or in some cases, better on PS3 as well.

http://theexplodingbarrel.com/?p=355

There's a whole 3 point difference between the average metacritic score of the two consoles. If you're going to NOT game on one of them, because of an average of 3 points ... well that just means you or your mommy couldn't afford both, so you're going to knock the other.

The 360 has good games, the PS3 has good games. IF you dont' want to play MGS4, Resistance, Uncharted, R&C, and a host of other games ... well you're just missing out. And those are the games already out.


By ajfink on 7/9/2008 5:56:09 PM , Rating: 2
When playing games I don't notice the difference between my 360 and my PS3 40GB. Perhaps I simply tune it out.

Just got my 360 back from the shop yesterday (RRoD) and it's kicking along fine. I was glad it died when it did, I haven't had the time to play much lately and the three year warranty is up in March.

They (obviously) put a new motherboard in it. Anyone know what revision of board they put in repaired original 360 (non-HDMI) consoles? Is there an HDMI port hiding behind a little bit of plastic on the back of my console? Time to do some Googling, mayhap.


By nstott on 7/14/2008 8:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
That's why I waited for you guinea pigs to work out the kinks with M$ for me so I wouldn't have any problems when I bought the 1337 unit. It's quiet and runs without problems. :P

Let the downrating commence! ;)


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By Curelom on 7/9/2008 4:57:39 PM , Rating: 2
You must have a little too much ear wax in your ears. My 360 sounds like a train in my family room. Smaller is almost always better too, but I wouldn't hold that against it.


By joemoedee on 7/14/2008 11:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You must have a little too much ear wax in your ears. My 360 sounds like a train in my family room. Smaller is almost always better too, but I wouldn't hold that against it.


When I had mine, I didn't notice that much noise from it. However, smaller typically would mean louder, as a smaller case means smaller fans which have to spin faster to move equal air to a larger fan.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By Clauzii on 7/9/2008 5:58:44 PM , Rating: 3
The PS3 is heavy because it has this huge cooling system, that makes it very silent :) The volume taken is basically the same for the two. With the difference that the PSU is internal in the PS3, so of course it is heavier. How much does "The Brick" (360 PSU) weigh?


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By afkrotch on 7/10/2008 4:20:05 AM , Rating: 2
Picking up the boxes for both systems, the 360 is heavier overall. Now just the consoles themselves, the 360 is lighter. None of it means much. Not like I'm holding the consoles in the air while I'm playing games.


By Clauzii on 7/10/2008 12:08:11 PM , Rating: 2
Ha ha, no of course not :)


By lightfoot on 7/9/2008 4:48:31 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that the 360 Arcade has a place in competing with the Wii - there is no chance of beating the Wii, but a $199 price tag would definitely make people take a second look at the 360.

However I totally disagree about the motion control - it would be a foolish move to try to add motion control to the 360 at this point in its life cycle. The 360 has an impressive library and doesn't need waggle controls to get people to buy it. Besides why would anyone want a controller that none of the existing games support?


By Locutus465 on 7/9/2008 4:52:07 PM , Rating: 2
I could see a place for a more generalized motion control device to allow for the development of more seen it type games.


By wallijonn on 7/11/2008 12:33:22 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
why would anyone want a controller that none of the existing games support?


Conversely, how many games take advantage of the PS3 6-axis and why can't it compete with the Wii-controller?

Why introduce a waggle to the 360? Because by the time the next XBox version comes out the developers will know how to programme it efficiently, so that most of the games will be able to use the waggle.

The problem I see with the Wii is that many games only use the Wiigle when many would prefer to use a regular controller. It should be a choice on the start up screen instead of having to buy either version (ie, Z:TP was one or the other but not both.) Why isn't there a docking station for the Wii access? One could remove the cable and just stick it into the nunchuck and play like a regular controller. But that is neither here nor there. The plain fact is that the Wii-controller is the closest thing to kb&m.


By Nik00117 on 7/14/2008 2:55:46 AM , Rating: 2
Xbox hits $199 I buy it that simple


By Hiawa23 on 7/9/2008 6:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
I have a launch 11/3/05 model & a 3/2008 model, & MS already has made the newer console more quiet. It is as quiet as my PS3. They do need to make em more reliable though, but I have had no issues out of both my units.


RE: Need a smaller, quiter and more reliable unit
By BAFrayd on 7/9/2008 7:18:45 PM , Rating: 1
"What Microsoft really needs is a redesigned xbox 360 that is smaller, quieter, and more reliable. It would be a plus if they made wi-fi standard. I love my xbox 360 but had 3 die on me. I hate how my xbox sounds like a jet engine. I buy a new unit if they can fix the problems with the current unit. Like a xbox 360 slim."

Sounds like a pile of garbage from the way you describe it.
Why would you love something that has died on you 3 times?
You are a sucker. I have some land in Florida for sale, maybe you would like to buy it?


By Aloonatic on 7/14/2008 3:07:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"What can brown do for your stupid ass"?

Sounds more like a New Labour slogan, you mind if Gordon uses that?

*A little something for the British DT readers, sitting quietly knowing that commenting on a thread about 360s and reliability is poisonous to ones average rating.


By Ticholo on 7/13/2008 10:15:19 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. Reliability and loudness I think they'll try to improve, as one even goes with the other, I suppose. But a smaller unit I just don't see coming. And that goes for PS3 as well.
But anyway, with nearly 3 years running and given their, quite comfortable, position on the market, MS could just not do much and it probably wouldn't hurt them.
Whoever didn't buy a 360 for the RRODs and other problems isn't going to be convinced and has probably moved on to other consoles, and these problems have likely dealt a serious blow to their profit for the 360 market lifespan. They were quite lucky with the way most people reacted to the repeated problems and by now I think they know they can take some more time to take care of the remaining ones, minimizing costs.

And BTW, I must have been really lucky with my 360. Still reads discs great and no RRODs :)


will the arcade be phased out?
By javiergf on 7/9/2008 4:15:10 PM , Rating: 2
Any price drop is always a good thing, but it doesn't make much sense to keep the arcade anymore. I think that MSFT will probably turn the 20GB into the arcade and the actual 20GB will become 60GB soon... at least that's one of the rumours circulating.




RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By daftrok on 7/9/2008 4:38:21 PM , Rating: 2
There are two scenarios. First is the following and is quite unlikely:

Xbox Arcade: $249
Xbox 20 GB: $299
Xbox 60 GB: $349
Xbox 120 GB: $399

The second scenario seems most probable:

Xbox 20 GB: $299
Xbox 60 GB: $349
Xbox 120 GB: $399

Chances are that the Arcade will be phased out but you never know. All in all its good news for all because the PS3 is changing the Cell to a 45 nm architecture and the RSX to a 65nm architecture which in turn could mean a price drop in the holiday season.


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By Doormat on 7/9/2008 5:43:03 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, the scenario is more likely...

Arcade $279
60GB $349
120GB $399

With the 20GB model going away as soon as they're sold out of current stock.


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By MonkeyPaw on 7/9/2008 5:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
This is the scenario I have heard as well. The price cut is to get rid of the 20GB, after which it will be replaced by the 60GB. The arcade will remain, as it is cheaper to make even if it is sold for $20 less.

Perhaps the 60GB will get a game bundle?


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By daftrok on 7/9/2008 9:30:46 PM , Rating: 5
Gah all these iterations. Can't they just sell a 120 GB Xbox for $299 and be done with it?


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By bunnyfubbles on 7/9/2008 11:09:06 PM , Rating: 2
considering they're still trying to push the 120GB drive for $180...I'd actually rather see a $300 'enthusiast' system that didn't come with any drives or anything like that, so we could then upgrade it to add in whatever we wanted...or better yet, considering Microsoft is also trying to push a home server, there should be no reason for their console to need any harddrive if a home server could store all the files and data for it...


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By afkrotch on 7/10/2008 2:59:16 AM , Rating: 1
I'd rather see a $399 64 gig SSD Xbox 360.


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By Alexvrb on 7/10/2008 7:45:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
better yet, considering Microsoft is also trying to push a home server, there should be no reason for their console to need any harddrive if a home server could store all the files and data for it

That is actually a really fantastic idea. If you have a home server, it could use that for saved games and content. Maybe not for this generation. But they could sell their next system with a HDD/SSD option, or sell it bare (Xbox Lite) for $50+ less with the ability to use Home Server for data storage and more advanced media streaming (including optional transcoding software ala TVersity for non-native codecs and containers).

It could always have a small amount of internal storage, use memory cards, and be upgraded with a HDD later. So it would be a flexible strategy from that point of view.


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By Doormat on 7/13/2008 4:04:15 PM , Rating: 1
After the 7/13 update, it looks like I was right, except for that the DT article says 299 for the arcade bundle, when the press release says 279.


RE: will the arcade be phased out?
By nowayout99 on 7/9/2008 6:12:20 PM , Rating: 2
I think they'll keep the Arcade because they'll want something to compete directly on price with the Wii in the sub $200 market down the road, where the other XBox units can't really go due to their HDDs.


By StevoLincolnite on 7/9/2008 11:11:10 PM , Rating: 1
At the moment here in Australia with Kmarts sale going, the Arcade is cheaper than the Wii, as the Arcade is only sitting at $299 (And I bought my 360 Arcade, 6 weeks ago for $389)

There is nothing wrong with the Arcade, all it is missing is the Hard Disk Drive, but some people (Like me) have no real use for it, I have all my MP3's and Div'X movies on an external USB 120gb 2.5" External Drive that the Xbox reads from, so Storage in that area is of no real concern.


Noise
By thebrown13 on 7/9/2008 4:51:50 PM , Rating: 4
360s with a 65nm CPU are quiet, while all the old ones sound like jet engines while playing games.




RE: Noise
By Curelom on 7/9/2008 5:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't think they were producing those yet. Mine is currently in the shop with the red ring of death. Think they'll plop a 65nm CPU in? I doubt it.


RE: Noise
By VeauX on 7/9/2008 6:14:03 PM , Rating: 2
CPU is actually 65nm. This is the GPU which is still at 90nm and the change to 65 is for aug/sep.


RE: Noise
By FITCamaro on 7/9/2008 7:52:08 PM , Rating: 2
The GPU is now at 80nm.


RE: Noise
By Alexvrb on 7/10/2008 7:53:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yes! Has been since Falcon, but most people missed the excellent Anandtech article on Falcon.

Falcon runs a lot cooler and quieter. Should prove to be more reliable, too. When they move the GPU and eDRAM to 65nm they may even combine them into one package.


RE: Noise
By Clauzii on 7/9/2008 6:02:29 PM , Rating: 2
So the sound level would be more at PS3 levels. Thats good :)


RE: Noise
By BansheeX on 7/9/2008 6:22:53 PM , Rating: 2
Not unless they go to a higher density, slower spinning BD drive. Most of the noise coming from the 360 during gameplay is from the last-gen DVD drive.


RE: Noise
By Clauzii on 7/9/2008 11:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
True. For the 360-II then :)


RE: Noise
By Staples on 7/9/2008 11:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
If what you say is true, it must be on a case by case basis. I had a launch which died a horrible red death. I now have a Falcon and the fans have nearly the same noise level. MS wanted to be cheap about this so instead of fixing the loudness that everyone complains about, they shrunk their heatsink which is on top of their 65nm chip so that the same loud fans need to be used to keep the system from overheating.


RE: Noise
By afkrotch on 7/10/2008 5:08:41 AM , Rating: 2
You mean the changes on the Falcon was smaller chip, smaller heatsink on the chip, heatpiped a heatsink from gpu's heatsink to infront of the cpu heatsink. Fans unchanges, as no need to. It's only loud cause you think that's where the noise comes from.

Mine is as loud as a PS3. I get more noise from my 220v to 120v transformer.


New 360's?
By Shwanzig on 7/9/2008 8:54:14 PM , Rating: 2
I heard rumors that the new 65nm GPU 360's were suppose to come out this time of year, can anyone confirm?

Could be the reason the price dropped.




RE: New 360's?
By Clauzii on 7/9/2008 9:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
Unless MS has a 360-II ready with some 9800 kind of GPU and a >3 core CPU and that backwards compatability is achieved?

THAT would be a killer!


RE: New 360's?
By crazyblackman on 7/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: New 360's?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/10/2008 2:43:44 AM , Rating: 2
What makes you think the Next Generation will have more failure rates than this Generation?

If there is anything that Microsoft wants to do, is decrease failure rates, as that costs a SUBSTANTIAL amount of money.

However, I wasn't happy when my 360 broke down after only being 6 weeks old, but I was sure happy with the service, I rang them up, guided me through troubleshooting steps, failing that, sent me a box, packed it in, dropped it at the Post Office, and a few weeks later it's on my doorstep.

Can't complain about that service really.

And the best part? I didn't cost me a red cent, only a few weeks of not being able to play Video Games (Which was a good excuse to get outside and do some Yard Work anyway).

The console is getting better, and if anything this Generation basically this tells Microsoft and the other companies on how not to launch a console. - Remember this market is generally new grounds for Microsoft in comparison to Sony And Nintendo who have been around for many many years (PS1 and the NES).

And Like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are out to take your money as well thus using the "M$" is really not saying much.


RE: New 360's?
By Clauzii on 7/10/2008 2:56:51 AM , Rating: 2
$ONY looks okay, but I really don't know with $intendo..


RE: New 360's?
By Icelight on 7/15/2008 11:42:09 AM , Rating: 2
┬ątendo


RE: New 360's?
By crazyblackman on 7/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: New 360's?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/10/2008 5:20:18 AM , Rating: 2
It was $389 At Kmart for the Arcade, Believe it or not, but going outside and doing something could actually be beneficial health wise than sitting inside playing computer games.

Was it an inconvenience? Yes it was.
Was I heart Broken? No I wasn't, there is plenty of other activities one can do, while I wait for a repair.


RE: New 360's?
By joemoedee on 7/14/2008 11:49:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Was it an inconvenience? Yes it was.
Was I heart Broken? No I wasn't, there is plenty of other activities one can do, while I wait for a repair.


Whereas I do advocate going outside and doing something as a great thing, I don't think that a broken video game console should be the sole reason for doing so. Or be touted as a feature of the console <jest> "It will break soon... so you won't get too fat playing it to often!" </jest>

I had a 360, and may get one again in the future. However, one buys a product to enjoy the product. If I purchase a video game system, TV, radio, vehicle, anything of substantial cost etc... I expect it to work. For a long time. Every video game system I own from NES on works correctly to this day, and I expect the same level of reliability from my next video game console purchase.

The 360 is way too expensive of a luxury purchase to be considered a disposable item. Until MS can prove a substantial increase in product reliability, the RRoD will continue to be a sticking point.


RE: New 360's?
By jamdunc on 7/10/2008 7:08:35 AM , Rating: 2
Oh my god, are you paid by Sony or something? (wouldn't be paid by Nintendo as they don't need any fanboys singing for them atm!)

Have you ever thought that the above poster might want a 360 for the exclusives? And his console broke but Microsoft repaired it. Not the best situation but you make the best out of what you are given and he did.

I am currently on my launch 360 (Nov 2005 in the UK) and I make sure it has plenty of airflow and no problems with it whatsoever.

Everyt time Microsoft has messed up in the console wars (RROD, Price drop on the original Xbox after 6 weeks) they've always done something for their customers, i.e, upgraded the warranty/free games and a control pad. And then when the original Xbox had the transformer issues, you gave them your name and address and a week later, brand new safe transformer.

No offence but I've never heard of Sony or Nintendo or going further back Sega etc tec doing anything like this. Remember the PS2 problems, what did Sony do for it's customers? If I remember rightly (and if I'm wrong I hope someone corrects me) they did sweet nothing.

By the way, I think you need a new keyboard, your Caps Lock key seems to be stuck........idiot!


RE: New 360's?
By crazyblackman on 7/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: New 360's?
By jamdunc on 7/10/2008 2:17:54 PM , Rating: 1
No it's alive and well and has plenty of colour in it's cheeks (although that could just be my Viva Pinata faceplate!).

And remember the PS2 cd drive problem I think it was? That sort of disables your argument.

And given enough time, all electronics will one day give up the ghost. Just like us in that respect.

As for the UK blokes comment, well from these posts alone, I don't think many will disagree with me when I say that I seem smarter than you. Although to be honest, krill is looking slightly smarter than you right now.


RE: New 360's?
By crazyblackman on 7/10/08, Rating: 0
By silversound on 7/10/2008 5:44:30 AM , Rating: 2
The price drop follow by the increasing demand from both Wii(summer) and PS3(after release of MGS4), xbox360 really need blueray otherwise it will not have any advantage against Wii or esp. PS3 over time.

For sure Wii will be the console of the year again and xbox360 will be fall behind PS3 in total sale in the coming year although it released 1 year early before the PS3 and Wii

Console sales over the world, Wii way at top, ps3 follow then xbox360:
http://www.vgchartz.com/




By jamdunc on 7/10/2008 7:10:47 AM , Rating: 2
Why does it need BluRay?

To have hours and hours of cutscenes?

Err, I'll say no thanks to that!


By Hiawa23 on 7/10/2008 8:32:34 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, the 360 doesn't need blu ray but I have a feeling blu ray will be added just for movies. MS has made it clear all 360 games will be on DVD only, & if MGS4 is any indication of what they will do with all the extra space, I.E. more watching than playing, then I am fine with DVD9.

I only bought the PS3 for the PS3 exclusives, so my library on the 360 is 4-5 times bigger as the PS3, & contrary to what many say, 90% or better of the 360 Mulitplatform games I prefer simply for ease of use of LIVE, achievements, & stuff like that, & I have the PS3 update 2.40 2.41 & none of the games I have for the PS3 even support trophies & some of the devs have stated they will not update their games for this.

One poster said the PS3's library is almost equal to the 360. Well, I don't agree, but we all are entitled to our opinion. I don't play RPGs so bringing up Oblivion is moot to me & I have tried DMC4, Burnout Paradise on the PS3 & still went with the 360 versions of these games, as if there is a difference it's minor to me.

MS should get a blasted for all the faulty consoles, but my consoles work fine both are covered with an extended warranty, so I plan to continue buying 360 exclusives & all multiplatform games for it, & only buying PS3 exclusives built from the ground up to take advantage of the PS3.


By jojo29 on 7/10/2008 9:44:00 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I agree, the 360 doesn't need blu ray but I have a feeling blu ray will be added just for movies. MS has made it clear all 360 games will be on DVD only, & if MGS4 is any indication of what they will do with all the extra space, I.E. more watching than playing, then I am fine with DVD9.


That's funny, you guys knocking MGS4 for having extremely long SKIPPALBLE cutscenes, all metal gear games are heavily story driven, thats like saying there is too much chain sawing in Gears of War....

quote:
"I only bought the PS3 for the PS3 exclusives, so my library on the 360 is 4-5 times bigger as the PS3, & contrary to what many say, 90% or better of the 360 Mulitplatform games I prefer simply for ease of use of LIVE, achievements, & stuff like that, & I have the PS3 update 2.40 2.41 & none of the games I have for the PS3 even support trophies & some of the devs have stated they will not update their games for this

One poster said the PS3's library is almost equal to the 360. Well, I don't agree, but we all are entitled to our opinion. I don't play RPGs so bringing up Oblivion is moot to me & I have tried DMC4, Burnout Paradise on the PS3 & still went with the 360 versions of these games, as if there is a difference it's minor to me.


This one is funny to me as well. I really don't understand how your 360 library is 3-5 times bigger than your supposedly PS3 library. Again, let's take a look at "true" exclusives on each console where you can't get anywhere else, yes i'm bringing up the PC:

Xbox 360 Exclusives:
Forza Series
Project Gotham Racing Series ( awesome games by the way)
Halo 3 ( can't put the series as the first 2 are on PC)
Perfect Dark Zero ( I liked this one)
Ninja Gaiden 2
Dead or Alive4 ( forgot which one came for 360)
Viva Pinata
Blue Dragon ( meh!)
Lost Odyssey ( liked this one too )
Kameo
Upcoming Titles
Banjo Kazooie
Halo Wars
Gears of War 2
Fable 2

So all in all we have a total of over 14 titles (not including the series like PGR3 and 4 etc) not a bad list by any means, i took off Gears of War because its on PC, and even tho i don't have a 360, yes that game is nice on PC :)

PS3 Exclusive List:
Motorstorm
Lair
Heavenly Sword
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
Metal Gear Solid 4
WarHawk
Folklore
Haze
Resistance: Fall of Man
Eye of Judgement
Upcoming Titles:
God of War 3
Killzone 2
SOCOM
Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy Versus
Resistance 2
Motorstorm Pacific Rift

All in all there are 18 EXCLUSIVE titles tied to the PS3, none of which can be found on PC.

NOTE: I can see how your personal game library can cater to the 360, if you buy the multi-platform games on the 360 but i'm talking about exclusives as personal game libraries are subject to personal preference as all my 'multi' platform games are all on PS3

But seriously, the argument for MS fanboys that there are no exclusives for the PS3 is old, tired, and full of desperation, because in fact, it looks as though the PS3 if full of more exclusives.

Also a quick question: In Soul Caliber 4 i know the 360 gets Yoda, but the PS3 version is getting Vader and his apprentice from the upcoming title Force Unleashed, my question is, is the apprentice on the 360 as well, or are they getting someone different?


By Hiawa23 on 7/10/2008 10:51:27 AM , Rating: 2
I really don't understand how your 360 library is 3-5 times bigger than your supposedly PS3 library. Again, let's take a look at "true" exclusives on each console where you can't get anywhere else, yes i'm bringing up the PC:

It's quite simple, I told you, I look at consoles for the games they have that appeal to me, not just the exclusives. The PS3 games I own: Resistance, Heavenly Sword, MGS4(I wasn't knocking the game for the long cutscenes, just calling it like it is),Uncharted, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Lair, Motorstorm, & I have never liked gaming on PCs which is why I prefer consoles, & I am not a Xbox homer. I play whatever console has the games I like, don't care who's name in on the plastic boxes that plays them. All I said was there are more games on the 360 that I have & like, that's it. Like I said I did not buy a PS3 for 360ports that in most cases are better on the 360, especially the online games, achievements, more friendly userface & stuff. Good argument, not sure anyone is right here, just a matter of preference. Every gen I buy all the console as each of them has games I like, this gen the 360 just has way more than the other consoles. Not sure why the PC elites always bring up the PC, as many of us really don't care what games are on the PC & are just fine with console gaming.


By jojo29 on 7/10/2008 4:49:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
All I said was there are more games on the 360 that I have & like, that's it.


A very valid statement, and i don't (nor wouldn't want to as we all are entitled to our own views) argue your point as gaming comes down to what x person enjoys the most.

quote:
Like I said I did not buy a PS3 for 360ports that in most cases are better on the 360, especially the online games, achievements, more friendly userface & stuff.


It's when you make statements like these that i have a problem with, as it is essentially throwing dirt on another console. You could have left it at "especially the online games, achievements, more friendly userface & stuff" but you didn't, you had to throw in the "360ports" comment. Now, some of the games do run better on 360, im not gonna argue that, BUT some games run better on PS3:
Overlord
Gran Theft Auto
Devil May Cry
Those are just a few examples.

quote:
more friendly userface & stuff


I actually find the XMB interface to be more user friendly than the Dashboard, but that boils down to personal preference.

I just get tired of people (MS fanboys) saying that there are no games out for the Playstation 3, when there is in fact too many, that i am personally back logged( is that the correct term?) in that i have too many games and not enough time to beat them all, which the same can be said about the 360. I retorted without using the same tired and silly fanboyism remarks (M$, xbot etc..) and just provided a solid list from both camps to see which is offering more.

But yeah, it all comes down to which console offers which types of games you like, yours happens to be the 360, which is cool, there are some exclusives im dying my brother to get (Fable 2 and Gears of War 2 ), but aside from those two games and the Project Gotham Racing Series, theres not much else that appeals to me.

All in all, i see what you are saying, i'm just pointing the parts where, in my opinion, your not neccessarily wrong, but just not right either.


By npoe1 on 7/11/2008 1:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
I bought my PS3 to play GT5 and my Xbox 360 to play Forza 2, but I have 6 Xbox games vs. 0 PS3 games although I still play PS2 and PS games on my PS3 (I don't really know why I bought it).


Listen to me Microsoft.
By Roy2001 on 7/10/2008 12:49:38 PM , Rating: 2
I don't like PS3 so I am waiting to get a 360. What I want to get is a smaller, much quieter 360 with BD built in and wireless built in. Otherwise, I won't buy it.




RE: Listen to me Microsoft.
By 4play on 7/11/2008 10:46:15 AM , Rating: 2
Keep waiting, it ain't coming.


RE: Listen to me Microsoft.
By mmntech on 7/13/2008 6:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
Lol. Be prepared to wait a while. I don't think we'll see a 360 slim given we never saw a slim model of the original Xbox. I also highly doubt they'll ever be a BD drive for the 360. You'll be waiting for Xbox 3 before that happens. MS has said time and time again they won't be adding one.

The 60gb is a good move but I really think Microsoft should add a DIY hard drive option like Sony did with the PS3. Imagine having 320gb of space in your 360.


Pro?
By bobobeastie on 7/9/2008 10:22:15 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one who hasn't payed close enough attention to not know what the "pro" part entails? I had to look it up on gamestop.com, the http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/compare101.htm?... doesn't even list it as an option. Okay, I guess it's the same as the premium which isn't on Microsoft's site either.




RE: Pro?
By Generic Guy on 7/10/2008 2:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
The 'Pro' is essentially the old Premium package with an HDMI port on the back.


:))
By Stinky007 on 7/13/2008 6:03:48 PM , Rating: 2
I'd rather spend $300 on PC upgrades every year than bother with the death rings, scratched discs and paying for online subscriptions for the Xbox or using that doorstop of a PS3 for anything other than blue-ray movies. Should I even remind you that most games cost more on the consoles!?
Don't get me started with the "consoles have better hardware" because you know it's bs, they were superior for about 1 year, now even mainstream PCs can kick their asses in games...
Sure, a PC is a bigger investment in hardware/software, but considering both consoles are crap (fanbois should read "not perfect" to not be offended), and PCs can be used for other stuff also, I think it's worth it!
Right now, most of you sound like you have both consoles at home and play on the couch and a PC with a desk probably to surf the web and jerk off. Think about how much money you spend on the two useless boxes and the PC, money that you could have used to buy you a very decent gaming rig/porn storage...
Note: some of you might have a Mac, I don't give a frozen toe, it's still a personal computer so imagine I said "Mac" everytime I said "doorstop", "bs" or "crap" :P




Price increase on the arcade?
By johnbuk on 7/14/2008 8:50:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Once all supplies of the 20GB model are depleted, the Xbox 360 family will consists of the $299.99 Xbox 360 Arcade, $349.99 60GB Xbox 360, and the $449 120GB Xbox 360 Elite.

So they're raising the price of the Arcade from $279.99 to $299.99? That sucks.

As someone who already owns a 360 (Arcade version with a cheap used 20GB HD), I'm more interested in a drop in HD prices. I'd love a larger HD, but am not about to pay what Microsoft is asking.




I may be a robot
By Gman007 on 7/14/2008 1:29:47 PM , Rating: 2
Is that model Asuka Sawaguchi (pornstar)? :D




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