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All-In-Wonder HD  (Source: Techgage)

All-In-Wonder HD Daughter Card  (Source: Techgage)
All-In-Wonder HD can record unprotected cable programs and HDTV over-the-air shows

ATI announced today an all-new ATI All-In-Wonder HD video card that promises Radeon gaming performance combined with ATI TV Wonder HD tuning in one PCIe card. ATI says that the one All-In-Wonder HD solution will allow for PC gaming as well as tuning and recording of digital HDTV and analog TV programming.

The ATI All-In-Wonder HD can play full 1080p films from Blu-ray discs using the ATI unified video decoder. The video card is AMD LIVE! Ready and is certified for Windows Vista. The video acceleration and recording functionality for the card is powered by ATI Theater 650 Pro hardware MPEG-2 encoding technology. On the gaming side the card supports DirectX 10.1 and fully supports PCI Express 2.0.

Bundled with the card is the ATI Catalyst Media Center software that allows for easy viewing and recording of live TV programming from over-the-air HD broadcasts and unprotected cable streams. The card also features built-in support for Dolby 5.1 Digital surround sound sent through an integrated HDMI port and a dual-link DVI port is integrated as well.

Techgage reports that the GPU is based on the older RV635 PRO technology used in the HD 3650. Clock speed for the GPU is 725MHz and the memory clock is 600MHz. A small daughter card connects to the main video card by way of a cable and secures in a PCI slot on the case, but doesn’t actually connect to the PCI bus of the mainboard. When added the daughter card allows for S-Video, stereo in and out and component video.

The MSRP for the ATI All-In-Wonder HD card is $199.

This is the first new ATI All-In-Wonder card we have seen in a long time. The All-In-Wonder line was killed off back in 2006.



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Stupid price
By Lonyo on 6/26/2008 1:26:37 PM , Rating: 1
Theater 650 Pro is $100 from Newegg (assuming it's the right card).
HD3650 can be had for under $50 AR from Newegg.
So individually they are $150, and saving a single slot (and limiting your upgrade options in terms of graphics) would then cost you another $50 if you get the AIW.

Although if you can offload something like physics processing onto it, it could be vaguely useful as a second card in a fairly monster machine, with proper graphics card for graphics (like an HD4870) and then the the AIW for either extra outputs, or physics processing, and also the AIW features.




RE: Stupid price
By ss284 on 6/26/2008 1:47:50 PM , Rating: 2
$150 would have been a more reasonable price. Or a better idea would have been to include a 3850 gpu instead.


RE: Stupid price
By ajfink on 6/26/2008 1:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
That would have had prohibitive power requirements, I think. It could be done, of course, but it would probably draw as much power as the 4850 or more.


RE: Stupid price
By RamarC on 6/26/2008 3:57:27 PM , Rating: 5
no, the tv wonder 650 is $120. most hd 3650 cards are about $75 so $199 is a perfect suggested retail price.


RE: Stupid price
By MonkeyPaw on 6/26/2008 6:09:16 PM , Rating: 3
...and he emphasizes "suggested" because ATI does not price-fix (ahem, nVidia), so it's quite likely these will sell for less, especially after the newness wears off.

I wonder if we will ever see a 780G motherboard with a 650 tuner on it? That would be a nice option for low-profile HTPC folks.


RE: Stupid price
By oab on 6/26/2008 7:10:20 PM , Rating: 1
nVidia doesn't price-fix, they just prevent retailers from listing the price on main product category pages! All legal and above board really!


RE: Stupid price
By Phattio on 6/26/2008 10:24:33 PM , Rating: 2
!


hybrid-crossfire?
By DEredita on 6/26/2008 2:58:46 PM , Rating: 2
Since this is based on a HD 3650, will it work with Hybrid-Crossfire on a 780g motherboard?




RE: hybrid-crossfire?
By VooDooAddict on 6/26/2008 3:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
How about... will it work with crossfire period?

If this works with crossfire then it's a very interesting product.


RE: hybrid-crossfire?
By oab on 6/26/2008 7:17:05 PM , Rating: 3
If it does, it will be hybrid only, the part where the internal connector would hook up has been taken up by the coax-in jack.


RE: hybrid-crossfire?
By chere on 6/26/08, Rating: 0
RE: hybrid-crossfire?
By DEredita on 6/27/2008 1:46:41 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking more of a silent system, this video card mated to a 780g motherboard. Wait, actually, wouldn't a 780g motherboard, with a 3450 silent video card running hybrid crossfire be a cheaper and a better solution for a HTPC?


RE: hybrid-crossfire?
By chere on 6/27/2008 2:50:13 AM , Rating: 3
DEredita,
while your point is very good and valid one, and I thought the same way as you a few month ago when I got my 780G board and decided to pair with my 3470 card. The thing is that crossfire is only worth for 3D(gaming) it does not do anything for video encoding (AMD should have thought this one a little better and made the to cards share the load on HD encoding) which is the main purpose for an HTPC. Actually with the driver that i was using at the moment ( I can not remember) the Vista performance index was in HCX was less than either of the 2 GPU's separately. Here is my best suggestion for an HTPC. 780G or 780V for what it matters 45W X2 CPU and a really cheap 3450 with HDMI out(getting video through discrete card only). This is the most power efficient, cool and quite way to get excellent video quality and HD performance. where does this card fit in, with uATX being the norm for most HTPC boards and cases, there is not much space for fitting as many extra cards as you would want. let say in the case 780G uATX boards there is only a 16X and 1X PCIE ports, with this card you could take care of the discrete video card and a TV tuner and still have space for an extra PCIE tuner (if PIP or dual recording is desired). it also allows for using your PCI slots for wifi card or extra exhaust to take hot air from the video card and tuners.


Awesome that they're bring it back but...
By bunnyfubbles on 6/26/2008 1:16:06 PM , Rating: 1
$199 is too much, IMO, for an HD3650 + Theater 650 Pro

And now that ATI/AMD has long since allowed partners to produce both video cards and TV Wonder cards, why not start letting them produce AIW cards?

I know the AIW has often been something of a crown jewel for ATI in the past, but perhaps let them have that for an AIW 4870...let the other guys put out lower end products with theater chips built in...




By Marlin1975 on 6/26/2008 1:27:43 PM , Rating: 2
The newwer chips require to much cooling and also power. That and mix in the extra traces you probable have a hard time doing it at a good price point/quality issue.


RE: Awesome that they're bring it back but...
By Screwballl on 6/26/2008 2:20:38 PM , Rating: 2
when you combine the 3650 GPU + AIW hardware, I think that $199 is reasonable for a starting price. Especially when that will drop to ~$150 within a few months.
I may build a HTPC with this setup in the next few months provided MythTV or the open source solutions support the card.


By djc208 on 6/27/2008 10:56:23 AM , Rating: 2
Especially when the old AIW cards used software encoders, much higher CPU usage during recording (not as big a deal now but still not desireable on a multi-use PC) and more possibility of a crash. With the 650 chip doing the recording and (analog TV) MPEG 2 encoding this is a much nicer solution for the price.

I think this is going to be a big seller for OEM use. Vista media center PCs would get decent DX 10.1 graphics, H.264 accelerated playback and a hybrid tuner in one card.


By chere on 6/26/2008 8:29:58 PM , Rating: 2
While the price seems like too much, I believe that it is going to be less than that in short time. HD3650 is just enough for the intended market that AMD is targeting here, which is the HTPC.
This card is not intended for gamers, while gamers and enthusiast have been the most willing to purchase AIW cards in the past, having owned 5 of them myself (7000, 8500, 9600Pro, X800XT, X800XL), the booming HTPC market is where AMD is looking for this product to be successful.
HD3650 is enough to get descent quality HD video for your living or media room, for bluray, HD-DVD(RIP) or any other HD content, while keeping it in the power and heat envelop that the HTPC's demand. This is coming from a a guy that overshoot the power requirement of my friends HTPC with a 3850 and finding out that 3650 would have done the job the with less power and almost no noise.
Don't get me wrong with 3850 dropping to around a $100.00 these days I could not do but dream about AMD coming with a refresher part called 46XX or 47XX with the same amount of stream processors and memory interface as 3850, but with the latest UVD and 7.1 LPCM audio capability that the 4800 cards have at the same price point.
I could consider and AIW cards with that chip going for $200-250 price point and dropping this new one to ~$150.00, but that is just me dreaming as I also dream about AMD including the AIW brand to their 780G platform.
....PSSS AMD call me I can give you a couple more ideas.
This way AMD would have coverage on the entire HTPC field; from the entry level system that goes directly to a TV (with stereo TV speakers only), to the High end HTPC's where 5.1/7.1 speakers and some gaming is expected. At least it seem like AMD is going on the right direction, with their ATI division, and the new products released within this past week.


By chere on 6/26/2008 9:09:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And now that ATI/AMD has long since allowed partners to produce both video cards and TV Wonder cards, why not start letting them produce AIW cards?


If you go to ATI/AMD's website you will see that this card will be produced and sold by Visiontek.


OK
By sprockkets on 6/26/2008 2:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
Does this mean that it has component video IN? Very few offer that. If it does, that will help with recording from component from a cable box.




RE: OK
By darkpaw on 6/26/2008 3:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
That was my question too. The cheapest tuner I know of with component in is like $250. I just bought a $150 4850 for my HTPC, but I really need a card with component in to hook up to my cable box. I'm hoping they become more available (and much cheaper) in the coming months.


RE: OK
By DragonMaster0 on 6/26/2008 8:11:27 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt it's an input, I think it just replaces the mini-DIN to component dongle that usually comes with a GPU.


RE: OK
By darkpaw on 6/27/2008 10:00:46 AM , Rating: 2
Yah, thats what I figured after looking at the picture closer. Theres no hardware I could see on the card for that function.


Component input or output?
By Devo2007 on 6/26/2008 7:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
Now, is that component input or component output? If I could hook up a digital cable box via component (to record HD), then I'd be a happy camper.

(I'd prefer an internal solution, rather than Hauppauge's HD Recorder)




RE: Component input or output?
By Devo2007 on 6/26/2008 7:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, didn't see the discussion above on this very same issue. (Too bad I can't delete/edit my original post).


RE: Component input or output?
By chere on 6/26/2008 8:42:38 PM , Rating: 2
To answer you question as posted on AMD's website:
quote:
ATI All-in-Wonder™ HD Accessory Kit*
Upgrade your PC into a media powerhouse with an ATI All-in-Wonder™ HD accessory kit. The kit adds composite video, S-video, stereo audio input and component output. The perfect addition to your ATI All-in-Wonder HD (* may be sold separately).

you guys can find it here:
http://ati.amd.com/products/aiwhd/index.html


Its been a freakin while....AMD!
By dvlcake on 6/26/2008 4:23:31 PM , Rating: 2
Its been awhile ATI/AMD!

I have had the AIW X1900 since it came out- paid $499 from newegg back then, so I can't complain about the price now.

However AIW X1900 for that time was quite decent in gaming, however HD3650...really AMD?

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ATI/AMD....I PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THAT AIW X1900, and had to deal with such horrible drivers. Forget Vista drivers, I was going insane with the MMC DRIVERS, I had to revert to 9.13 instead of their "updates".

Another issue will be software thats included, AIW X1900 along with past AIWs, were bundles with good third party software like Photoshop, Pinacle...etc so hope this new one has an excellent array of softwares as well.

Here is the most annoying issue of all- in the past GEMStar Guide+ was a great feature for pulling tvguide listings, however abysmal piece of junk software (or maybe MMC Drivers) for scheduled recording. If you scheduled something to record while away from home or desk...the bloody thing NEVER RECORDED!

THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE FOR SOMETHING YOU ARE PURCHASING TO DO...isnt that the point- or am I just looney!




By docmilo on 6/26/2008 5:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
I had the x1900AIW as well. I ended up shipping it back to ATI for an x1900xt since their tv tuner software didn't work with the drivers. Anyways, that was a great card and at the time the x1900AIW was available there was also the ATI 2006 AIW that was on an x1600 gpu. If this thing sells, they can always expand the line, say maybe a 4850 w/HD.


All in what?
By fri2219 on 6/26/08, Rating: 0
RE: All in what?
By Spivonious on 6/26/2008 3:14:43 PM , Rating: 3
Umm...if it didn't have an ATSC tuner, it wouldn't be able to pick up over-the-air HD or unprotected HD cable.

As far as sound, you'd either be using your soundcard or the HDMI port on the video card. Why add yet another port that no one will ever use?


Time for #3?
By chaosrain on 6/26/2008 9:48:37 PM , Rating: 3
I've built two HTPC's so far. My current rig is based on a Gigabyte 780G board w/ a Hauppauge 1600. I'm a little peeved because it's stability is crap. I'm thinking about tearing down the HD and reinstalling everything hoping for the experience I had with my shuttle box and a Hauppauge MCE-500. Maybe this integrated solution will work better than the 780G I had such high hopes for.

Here's what I'm really, really waiting for:

A multi-HD tuner. Not just a dual tuner...a super-tuner. I'd love to be able to have my HTPC constantly saving a 5 minute buffer of every OTA HD channel. That way, if I'm watching a show and forget to change the channel, I can jump to a different channel and still rewind the buffer...if that show stinks, I can jump to a third channel and do the same thing.

As it is, the best you can get w/ a dual tuner is to be ablet to toggle and rewind on two channels IF and ONLY IF you have actually set up the machine to record both.




rage
By lazylazyjoe on 6/26/2008 4:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
Still use my rage128 aiw. Still inputs ntsc video and outputs video to my tv. Just no gaming on that card, but it does winamp visualization nice.




By NickWV on 6/26/2008 6:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
AMD's linux drivers for the TV-Wonder cards have been .... non existant.

While they have been making great strides in support for their video cards, I still have a TV-Wonder 650 which I can't even use.




Stupid to focus on price
By gochichi on 6/26/2008 11:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
I'm so bored of people obsessing over price first and foremost.

Is $199.00 more or less affordable? Yes, I think so. Could it be even more affordable? Yeap. But things don't sell because they are cheap, they sell because they fit the bill.

I bought a Radeon HD 3870 recently, recently enough (at a brick and mortar store) that I could return it and get a 4850 for about $70.00 more. If it were a price issue, I wouldn't flinch at the $70... but it's not just a price issue, it also runs hotter and consumes more energy. So, I keep my 3870 that I'm really satisfied with.

I think that so long as the UVD is included, and some basic 3d-ing, that it is fine, particularly if they can keep the power consumption really low.

If they want to sell many more, they should lower the price.... yes. But what we need to focus on is product quality as well, is this the thing to have in a media center PC? If it is, then it is, remember, it also eliminates the need for a sound card.

Unfortunately, I have an ATI HD 650 TV tuner card that I'm not too impressed with, so for me it's not a price issue so much. I think All-In-W's cards have always been for a very specific kind of buyer, so I'm sure some people will be happy that it's back.




By racingmustang on 6/27/2008 8:50:28 AM , Rating: 2
I think it's a little too late to bring this product back after AMD acquired ATI, dumped the AIW line, and shunned card owners who expected Vista support for the TV tuners!

If you owned an X1800 or X1900 product, you just paid between $300 and $500 and were very soon after abandoned by AMD/ATI.

racingmustang




Preference: separate TV tuner
By vailr on 6/27/2008 10:49:07 AM , Rating: 2
My preference is for a separate TV tuner card.
The Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1800 PCIe tuner card + Radeon HD 3870 combo works very well.




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