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ATI Radeon HD 4870 Edition @ Hot Hardware
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RE: Impressive
By mikkiwildcat on 6/25/2008 7:28:48 AM , Rating: 2
Well nvidia won the battle for like 2 yrs and now amd are taking over.
Its not just the price of the card to consider but also the power and the price u will have to pay for the power.
Nvidia will have to 1st make the gpu smaller to lower the power supply.
Then nvidia will have to update the amount of cores running on it.
But this quater i think has been won by AMD.
But i am not saying yet cause i am sure nvidia will have something going next year and AMD are not to stand by.
The most interesting question is AMD vs INTEL.
Are we going to see any die changes and speeds.
Its not just a question of cpu's or gpu's but also the bus interface and the AMD 790 is looking good.
Last not least is the new gpu physics chips


RE: Impressive
By DingieM on 6/25/2008 10:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
It will be very interesting, especially when DAAMIT is changing to a 6-month refresh-technology cycle.
This puts even more pressure on nVidia to bring out cards with more feature support.
I am talking about DX10.1/SM4.1 and 7.1 audio through HDMI.

So far, nVidia is only being able to "bribe" reviewers, press and some developers (Assassin's Creed scandal, not really proven but come on this is large writing on the wall) to make their cards look better, while DAAMIT has been really good with innovation, rich feature set, low price and high performance.

Also, DAAMIT is highly successful with the fresh professional market and that is thanks to the technological implementation of their shaders. They literally crushed nVidia with performance and much much cheeper cards.

Mainstream is the way to go.


RE: Impressive
By just4U on 6/25/2008 9:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that it is very impressive. Now, I'd like to see ATI work on a better fan implementation and cooling these puppies down.

It's the only drawback I've seen in the reviews but it is a concern. Fans on video cards are notorious little buggers for failing so having a card that's quite toasty needs a top notch implementation.

Ati partners take note!


RE: Impressive
By Goty on 6/26/2008 12:50:27 AM , Rating: 2
They don't need to rework the cooling, the GPUs are allowed to get that hot in order to keep noise down. ATI obviously feels that 80-90C isn't anything to worry about. (For those of you thinking 90C is hot enough to seriously shorten the lifespan of the card, remember, the 8800GT gets that hot, too.)


RE: Impressive
By just4U on 6/26/2008 3:36:06 AM , Rating: 3
Oh I know the GT does, as well as several other cards in the past.. the problem is those cards effect system temperatures to. There are other factors to.. Fan doesn't ramp up or literally dies (as they are notorious for doing) then what?

I'd like to see a fast performing card that doesn't heat your home as well. You know?


RE: Impressive
By NovoRei on 6/26/2008 2:03:57 PM , Rating: 2
Just because its hot doesnt mean it will make your PC hotter.

Cards that consume higher wattage can be cooler but they will produce more heat. They just spread the heat faster.

Its an exchange, low noise for high temperatures.

And if the fan stop working the GPU will shutdown.


RE: Impressive
By just4U on 6/27/2008 4:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
In theory yes, In practice mmmm not so much. This is NOT a stab at ATI, but at video cards in general. Both ATI and NVIDIA need to start looking at ways of making their chips cooler. Their partners NEED to make sure they implement halfways decent cooling solutions.


RE: Impressive
By Clauzii on 6/28/2008 11:28:24 PM , Rating: 2
Can't find it anymore, but not so long ago, me and a friend saw a clip on Youtube with a ATI Radeon (X800 I think). The guy in the clip put the card in WITHOUT(!) cooling at all, except for an open cabinet. He ran some 3D application/s, and got 128 deg. Celsius!! (That's where it flattened out). NO problems at all! If I remember correct, there was a cut, stepping some time forward in time. Still running :))))

My jaw dropped back then ;)


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