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ATI Radeon HD 4870 Edition @ Hot Hardware
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Let the Battle Commence
By Paratus on 6/25/2008 1:07:04 AM , Rating: 2
The Benches are in and the Fan Boys are at their battle stations for both sides.

Everyone enjoy!




RE: Let the Battle Commence
By someguy123 on 6/25/2008 4:42:31 AM , Rating: 3
not much to say about this one. unless nvidia does something to drop prices down to ati levels, ati has won this round. nvidia still has the fastest performing card out though, even if it is for a hefty premium.


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Aloonatic on 6/25/2008 5:13:34 AM , Rating: 2
Well it seems that, as it stands, the HD4850 is the way to go.

In the UK the cheapest:

HD4850 is £130

GT260 is £250

GT280 is £410

9800GTX is £180

9800GX2 is £315

So a crossfire HD4850 setup will only be:

£10 more than a GT260

£55 less than a 9800GX2!

£100 less than a 9800GTX Sli!

£150 less than a GT280!

All whilst (for the most part) outperforming (sometimes by a large margin when in CF) the Nvidia offerings!

Good work ATI!


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Amiga500 on 6/25/2008 7:18:18 AM , Rating: 2
Wait for R700.

Until GX280 goes to 55nm, Nvidia simply cannot make a dual die GX280 variant to match.

If AMD/ATI get it out the door shortly, the R700 should be top dog for a quarter at least (maybe even until Q1 '09).


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By nosfe on 6/25/2008 7:48:30 AM , Rating: 2
so much for tackling the high end with a monolithic core instead of a dual chip solution?


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Amiga500 on 6/25/2008 8:05:08 AM , Rating: 3
Well the 9800 GX2 is Nvidia's high end at the moment.


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By bysmitty on 6/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Martimus on 6/25/2008 8:27:58 AM , Rating: 2
Have you actually read the reviews? The GX2 still wins most benchmarks, albeit by a small amount. For the most part the 9800GX2 is approximately equal to the GTX280, but is usually slightly faster.


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By nosfe on 6/25/2008 3:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
the point is that gtx280 wasn't made for with a gx2 model in mind, i mean, just think about it: reduce the die to 55nm, thats -25% cost to produce the chip(half node reduction), only the chip, but lets just say it goes for the whole board so we'll have what? a dual gtx 280 that would cost 900$, BUY THAT! i really don't think the market is and ever will be ready for a single video card costing that much no matter how much the performance


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Amiga500 on 6/25/2008 7:15:58 AM , Rating: 6
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you have constructed... the ability to make a dual GPU card is insignificant compared to the power of the geForce.


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By aBott on 6/25/2008 9:15:49 AM , Rating: 4
6!


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By nugundam93 on 6/25/2008 9:44:19 AM , Rating: 4
hahahahaha nice one! someone give him a 6! :)


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Polynikes on 6/25/2008 12:08:56 PM , Rating: 4
ROFL on that one! 6!


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By fake01 on 6/25/2008 6:12:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'm afraid I don't get it :(


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By formulav8 on 6/26/2008 2:53:08 AM , Rating: 2
That post is inspired from Star Wars #4 (A New Hope) when Vader was talking to one of the men on the death star.

The man was praising how great and wonderful the new weapon is (The DeathStar) and there is basically nothing that could compare to it.

Vader told him part of the quote that is posted above (The poster put his custom words in it obviously).

Afterwards Vader choked the guy to to show him that the Force is the ultimate power. :)

Jason


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By thartist on 6/25/2008 6:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
Sad that you have to be a nasty nerd to enjoy these jokes... and many enjoy them.


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Visual on 6/26/2008 1:31:11 AM , Rating: 2
you can always google it, too :p
though "geForce" easily gives it out.


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By nextGen on 6/28/2008 8:02:17 AM , Rating: 3
2-3 month ago:
nvidia is preparing for new giant monolithic GPU launch. at the moment data leaked from ATi showed hd4000 series will have 480 stream processors. as you can see in most of ATi documents represented that
4850 at 199$ will compete with 8800GT and 9600GT and
4870 at 299$ willl Compete with 9800GTX.
so nvidia thought about 9800GTX+(a new higher clock 55nm G92) maybe at 300$ and cut their 9800GTX,8800GT prices down to 270,170 respectively to demolish entire hd4800 line.

two weeks ago:
while nvidia is proud to present most powerfull single GPU graphic solution, GTX280,GTX260 - 1.4Bil transistor monsters with almost 600mm2 die size and high price tags 650 and 400$, things go dangerous on nvidia's camp because
new data leaked from new hd4000 line presented they both have 800 stream processors and only 267mm2 die size!

one week ago:
first benches of new hd4850 is comming.just amazing score for a 199$ card. man it's faster than 9800GTX almost by 5 precent. nvidia quickly cut 100$ on GTX prices to 199$ and stated that they have a superior product than 4850(it's GTX+) at 230$,
they even send it to review websites 1 month before launch!
Ati didnt want to yield the market to nvidia,they optimized their drivers(8.6-hotfix) so 4850 became on par or a tad faster than still not lanched 230$ 9800GTX+!

3 days back:
Ati today presented their hd4870. a 4850 with higher core clock and massive GDDR5 memory running at 3.6Ghz!
what a card! it's faster than recently 400$ nvidia GTX260 and only 10% slower than 650$ most powerfull GPU on earth at only impressive 299$ price tag.

today:
well, first i have to say "it's true, most powerfull GPU still is GTX280" but at 650$ and it simply dosent make sense.
it's mean you pay 120 percent more to raise performance bar by 10 percent
feature wise again ATi has his hand upon nvidia due to directx 10.1 support, 7.1 HD losless sound through HDMI,...
honestly these are features that pleased alot of people.

nvidia in near future:
well they loose this round.
1.cut down their 9800GTX+ to 199$ in order to compete to 4850
2.they cant bring GTX260 price lower than it's now because 600mm2 Die producing costs is very high but they can move to 55nm to raise clocks and cut prices(remember fx5800 and fx5900)
as you may thought again comepition to 4870 will be too tough for green tim
3.GTX280 with 55nm maybe at 450$ to encourage people buying it

ATi in near future:
crown is at red tim now.
4850 and 4870's are near perfect products so Ati dosnt have alot to do than sit back and see how hd4000 sells like hot cakes. besides they can:
1.optimize their drivers better and better and better.
2.optimze crossfire performance(again better drivers).
3.utilize GPU Phisics with Havoc as soon as possible(man, alot of best games out there are using havoc)(again drivers)
4.make their R700 to dethrone GTX280 from being fastest at 450$.

next gerneration
well if nvidia GT200 products were 3 months old , it can be said that next kings will be nvidia cards but both company
release thire new generation almost at same time,so we cant determine who is next dominator.

AMD
*if AMD Continues like this at CPU's we can have high hopes for uppcomming shanghai.
*at mobile we still don't konw much about puma performance and battery life but it's lanch is BIG and partners are vast.
*we are starting to see alot of big one's using ATi mobility dedicated GPU's like : next generation HP,Sony,Toshiba,... in their notebooks.
*man it's a good time to buy AMD stock

thanks and sorry for language


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By Clauzii on 6/28/2008 11:40:07 PM , Rating: 2
That was a good post!


RE: Let the Battle Commence
By BruceLeet on 6/29/2008 6:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'd hate to see what kind of timeline you'd write up when your girlfriend breaks up with you.


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