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A scene from Final Fantasy Chronicles: My Life as a King
Wii gets downloadable original games; Final Fantasy among the first

Nintendo today launched in North America its own infrastructure for downloadable original games, called WiiWare.

Wii owners with Internet-enabled consoles will be able to download new games priced between 500 to 1500 Wii Points ($5 to $15). Nintendo advertises that WiiWare provides a platform for game developers that is relatively inexpensive, allowing for “original ideas in the most democratic environment in industry history.”

“WiiWare is to the video game industry what independent films are to Hollywood,” said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales and marketing. “WiiWare lets developers experiment with new ideas and experiences. Combined with our collection of classic Virtual Console games, Wii provides one-stop shopping for the greatest games of the past - and the future.”

Six WiiWare titles are presently available for download, including Final Fantasy Chronicles: My Life as a King, which challenges player to rebuild a kingdom as a young king. Other WiiWare launch titles, all of which are 1000 points or under, include LostWinds, Defend Your Castle, Pop, V.I.P. Casino: Blackjack and TV Show King.

Players may buy WiiWare games by browsing to the appropriate section in the Wii Shop Channel and spending Wii Points to download a specific title. Wii Points may be purchased directly from the Wii Shop through the use of a credit card, or they can be bought in the form of coded cards from retailers.



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PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By wordsworm on 5/12/2008 10:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps they're better at graphics, but looking at all the innovations that the folks at Nintendo come out with, it quickly becomes apparent that the Wii is the most interesting gaming product to ever come out. The exercise stuff, and now this. I think the inexpensive developer's stuff (how inexpensive is it?) will be a real eye catcher to a whole generation of would-be game console programmers. (I mean tweens and teens.)

PS3 and XBox fans will be coming out in droves to argue over how Nintendo sucks and PS3 and XBox are both much better. Then they'll say how Wii isn't really a gamer's box. Then a few Wii owners will say that it's fun and that not everyone has 2+ hours per day to waste on gaming. But I can't help but feel attracted to the ability to create my own virtual world. Let's face it, though Sketchup is pretty cool, it's not going to be nearly the same as having the ability to create a game with it. Maybe there's a whole PC movement like what seems to be going on with the Wii that I'm missing out on. Nonetheless, I feel mightily impressed by the Nintendo visionaries. I was impressed enough to see if the Wii has a DVI output.




RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By shadowofthesun on 5/12/2008 11:17:29 PM , Rating: 2
While your arguments hold some merit, it would be a crime to ignore how Xbox live has shaped online gaming. It was the first centralized service for console gaming, and the Xbox live marketplace has been an excellent proving ground for cheap, quick games like those described here. Calling Wiiware a Nintendo innovation is like calling the OS a Microsoft invention. Perhaps Nintendo will pull it off better than Microsoft did, but Xbox Live Marketplace has plenty of cheap ($5-10) and quick games.
Otherwise, I agree with your points that Nintendo has certainly won this round of consoles with its relatively inexpensive but robust and innovative platform.


By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 12:45:30 AM , Rating: 2
They won't, there's no mention that they're changing the rules and allowing game content to be saveable to flash memory... This is something you can do with any version of the 360 or PS3. I wouldn't expect Nintendo to reap the kind of rewards MS and Sony do.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By MrBlastman on 5/13/2008 9:20:23 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you should revise your statement to say "it would be a crime to ignore how Xbox live has shaped online CONSOLE gaming."

Live offers nothing new nor superior to what we have had in PC online gaming for years. Heck, I've been gaming online since 1996 in DOS via a dos ppp connection (1990 if you count door games on BBS's such as The Pit or Tradewars). Nothing new here at all - except for consoles. Admittedly, it is a very nice scheme for consoles and I am very glad to see them coming online. It is a necessary evolution.

But, with PC gaming online, you don't have to pay for a majority of services. It is all free and has been for years.

I am not sure how things will turn out for consoles, but it is refreshing to see all 3 of the current gen systems offering some sort of platform to get people connected. I only own a Wii and a PC and continue to feel the biggest drawback to the Wii is the lack of storage space. Sure, you can add in an SD card but still it is not quite a bit. It definately is not enough space to mod games and release new types of challenges in them.

I believe the only platform yet that is very receptive to modding is the PS 3 from what I hear. Modding is what has made PC online gaming so excellent for so long. Back in 96 in Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries, believe it or not, we had mods. This is just before the modding boom that was started by Quake. If consoles are truely to evolve into their full potential, I think the console platform owners need to be very receptive to this process.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By encryptkeeper on 5/13/2008 9:29:46 AM , Rating: 2
(1990 if you count door games on BBS's such as The Pit or Tradewars).

Remember Legend of the Red Dragon? Usurper?


By MrBlastman on 5/13/2008 9:45:39 AM , Rating: 2
Haha yes, actually I do.

The good old days of old, the ANSI art glory, Telemates shell prompt. The beautiful symphony of ATA bliss as you were called back to verify your identity before you could embark on new ATDT adventures to the latest realm yet unconquered by yourself.

Those.. were the good old days.


By zombiexl on 5/13/2008 12:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
LORD was the best... I upgraded my TW license a few years back to run a TW server, but it got too time consuming..


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By stonemetal on 5/13/2008 12:11:55 PM , Rating: 2
"Live offers nothing new nor superior to what we have had in PC online gaming for years. Heck, I've been gaming online since 1996 in DOS via a dos ppp connection"

If you believe live offers nothing over ppp on dos then you have issues. Live has centralized online gaming in a way that the fragmented pc way of doing things will never match. Which is what I believe the original poster was commenting on.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By MrBlastman on 5/13/2008 12:48:59 PM , Rating: 3
You should try Steam. It is pretty darned slick and solves many of these issues you are worried about.

I've never really had an issue with de-centralization on the PC, with ICQ/AIM/Trillian etc., IRC, Forums, Gamespy/All Seeing Eye/Kali(Kali was GREAT and still is if only people would use it), Ventrillo, Teamspeak (I could go on and on), it hasn't ever been lacking nor a problem.

Lets not forget Mods either as I mentioned above.


By stirfry213 on 5/13/2008 1:12:16 PM , Rating: 2
Kali and Descent... oh how I love thee...


By chsh1ca on 5/14/2008 7:45:51 AM , Rating: 2
I'm confused as to what you think is the "fragmented pc way of doing things."

If I want to play CoD4 on my PC online, I pop it in, start up, select a server, and go. How is the XBox version any different? It's the same steps, you just pick your game preferences instead of a server.

A centralized online framework like Live works well with consoles because you have control over everything and are reasonably limited in what you can do. Why would PC game developers give up their one major advantage over consoles (customization)?


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By i3arracuda on 5/13/2008 9:29:12 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
While your arguments hold some merit, it would be a crime to ignore how Xbox live has shaped online gaming.


Specifically, by giving twelve-year-olds an outlet for their innermost fantasies: cursing, screaming, and tea-bagging strangers online.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Hiawa23 on 5/13/2008 11:05:41 AM , Rating: 2
Live has shaped console online gaming. The PC fans are hilarious. I know many of you can't grasp this but many of us gamers only game on consoles, & as consoles go, LIVE has been amazing. I have always preferred consoles. Hats off to Sony for almost offering the same for free.


By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 11:14:42 AM , Rating: 2
Well it shaped it for consoles anyway... I was a PC gamer first and formost until Halo, there were live like services before the original live launched. I do have to admit the current implenetation is better than most of what I've seen on PC gaming (Valve seems to have something similar and good), and best of all it's consitant... Maybe MS will do something like live for PC gaming. I don't have any official games for windows titles yet (not sure if Crysis is, but I only have the beta demo) so I don't know if that's a part of the spec or not.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By oab on 5/13/2008 12:28:19 AM , Rating: 2
WiiFit is not the first exercise game, there was the iToy for the PS2, but ... it didn't generate nearly the hype that WiiFit has.

Nintendo (from what I can tell) took the idea and did it "better" than the previous games.


By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 12:47:05 AM , Rating: 4
And long before the playstation was a twinkle in anyone's eye there was the NES PowerPad

http://www.nesplayer.com/database/accessories/powe...


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Dribble on 5/13/2008 4:53:32 AM , Rating: 1
Dance mat is a better idea then Wii fit - much more fun then stepping on/off some computerised scales and probably burns more calories. Also available for the PS2 (well available for lots of consoles but tons of PS2 games).
Wii is trendy but don't think it's the first console to *innovate* - PS2 had many innovative games come out for it - dance mats, eye toys, karaoke (sing star), guitar hero, buzz quiz, ...


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Spivonious on 5/13/2008 9:47:26 AM , Rating: 2
The Wii Fit board is much more complex than a simple scale. Have you seen the snowboarding game previews?

The dance mat is the Nintendo Powerpad, which came out in 1986.

Eye toy was a complete failure, and Nintendo had it first with the Gameboy Camera in 1998.

Singstar, Guitar hero, buzz quiz could have been released on any system, so you can't really use them to argue that the PS2 was innovative.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Dribble on 5/13/2008 11:14:26 AM , Rating: 2
My point was more if you want innovative console gadgets (which is basically what the Wii board is) you'd be better off saving a fortune and just buying a PS2 off because it's the console with the most gadgets out there, has tons of good games, graphically looks about the same, and you can buy it and the games off ebay for peanuts.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By xti on 5/13/2008 11:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
yeah...but you dont realize that the wiifit stuff just added every workout mom who had no care in the world for video games.

dollars, not sense. (pun intended)


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By The0ne on 5/13/2008 2:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
Nice reply :) I'm actually already planning to get my two oldest sisters, 40+ old, the Wiifit so they can use it. They'll love it. They refuse to play any "games" but Wiifit is a go for them hahaha


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 12:43:51 AM , Rating: 3
The Wii has many strengths, this program will almost certainly not be one of them. Nintendo has inexplicibly crippled the Wii by not allowing games to be stored to flash memory. With out this ability peoples ability to consume downloadable games is greatly limited.

On this front Nintendo loses to over zelous paranoia, as far as I'm concerend they might as well not lauch Wii Ware at all, my console's main memory is already crampt enough from VC games and save games, which as far as I can tell are ALSO inaccessable directly from SD card.

Like I said, the Wii was a great design in so many ways... God only knows why they had to screw it up here.

Advantage, 360/PS3.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By feelingshorter on 5/13/2008 2:25:46 AM , Rating: 2
I believe the purpose of the SD card is to be in reserve until the memory on the wii itself is full. The wii has built in 512 megs of flash memory. If and when your internal memory does run out, i'd expect nintendo to use the SD expansion slot. Its probably more user friendly that way since it wont force anyone to buy a SD card when their internal memory still has space.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By bysmitty on 5/13/2008 7:51:41 AM , Rating: 2
^ It does not overflow to the SD. I filled up my internal 512mb and the system just told me I was out of memory and to delete stuff. I'm with the original poster here. I'm not downloading another thing to my Wii until I get more storage. VC games and I'm assuming WiiWare games too are tied to the console itself anyway (god help Nintendo support if my Wii dies and I lose $100+ of VC games) so it's not like allowing us to launch programs from the SD card or other storage source should have any affect on piracy / game sharing. This is just silly.

...bysmitty


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 9:55:44 AM , Rating: 2
You won't lose your data, I've been through this already... Basically Nintendo's staff will tie the replacement console to your account at which point you redownload...

The main issue is that you're seriously limited by the number of VC/Wii ware games you can download before you start affecting your ability to do anything else including just play a freaking game. God help you if you have a bunch of VC games and want to throw in mario kart for instance.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By bysmitty on 5/13/2008 10:34:31 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the correction. It is good to know that they will re-tie my downloads should my Wii break. Hopefully they will do that should I choose to upgrade to a later hardware revision too. I still wish I didn't need to worry about it at all though.

...bysmitty


By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 10:47:49 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know that they'll tie a new hardware purchase or not, it might be worth discussing with Nintendo America. It would be best if they just let you use the SD card slot.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By OdinX on 5/13/2008 11:46:44 AM , Rating: 2
I make enough money such that ~gasp~

I can afford to have all of them. Does this mean that I am above petty squables between consoles, yep. These arguements are really only relevant for people who can only afford one system. Which is unfortunate because, I see inherent value in all of the systems.

Wii - brings teh chickz. If you play mariokart they will come.

Xbox - is for Achievement points. and cod4 online.

Ps3 - is for blueray

And seriously that is the breakdown. Ps3 is really nice and all but lately its been relegated to blueray status /shrug truth hurts. I try to play for the games and not really the systems and in order to do that I had to have all of them.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By Hiawa23 on 5/13/2008 12:53:03 PM , Rating: 2
I make enough money such that ~gasp~

I can afford to have all of them. Does this mean that I am above petty squables between consoles, yep. These arguements are really only relevant for people who can only afford one system. Which is unfortunate because, I see inherent value in all of the systems.

Wii - brings teh chickz. If you play mariokart they will come.

Xbox - is for Achievement points. and cod4 online.

Ps3 - is for blueray

And seriously that is the breakdown. Ps3 is really nice and all but lately its been relegated to blueray status /shrug truth hurts. I try to play for the games and not really the systems and in order to do that I had to have all of them.


I too own all three, although only reason I bought the Wii was for my 10 year old daughter.

I am techie, so other than spending some nice time playing with my youngin, the Wii doesn't impress me in the least, & that shaking controller that many love, well, I am a traditionalist & I am fine with a stndard controller with vibration.

I can't even play many Wii games with the wand, & I would prefer if the Wii gave gamers like me the option of using our standard controller or Gamecube controller to play some of the Wii games like Mario Galaxy or Metroid of which I can't even play with Wii controller.

I have been very impressed with both the 360 & PS3 as my genres are racers, fighters, action, shooters, intense games & these consoles are where my gaming takes place, so although I think I am above all these petty arguments, I understand where gamers are coming from on all 3 sides of the fence.

It's good to see Nintendo back on top, but the Wii might be the worst Nintendo console I have owned as I own ever Nintendo console & all of them have games I like, other than the Wii.


RE: PS3 and XBox 360 are tons better
By The0ne on 5/13/2008 2:29:12 PM , Rating: 2
Your statements actually doesn't make sense to me. I'm an engineer and I love designs but I'm a retrogamer most of time. While I do like the old style controls I also appreciate the advances in motion sensing devices like the Wii. It's nice, accurate enough and fun when you get use to them. And if I remember correctly systems will innovate the controls as they themselves change. And at this point now we have the Wii with this very unique and fun control design. I wouldn't blame it on the design but rather your taste. The argument of past control designs being smarter, better, etc is irrelevant as they are mostly subjective.

So what do you mean when you refer to yourself as a techie? For me, I look for the design innovation. I like gadgets, I like efficient designs, I like pleasing designs, I like to buy them, take them apart, study them and sometimes even try to reprogram them or copy the design for fun. I love the specs of the ps3 but I'm not going to buy one (like you) if there are no games I enjoy playing. The xbox is meh due to some design issues..heat being one of them ><!

I like the specs on the ps3 and xbox and the games are graphically appealing but I haven't found a game that can keep my attention for more than 20mins. Eye candy can only go so far for me. When I play the Wii and start to think about how the graphics could be better I find myself being lost in the actually gameplay. This I believe is the difference for me.


By Locutus465 on 5/13/2008 2:40:33 PM , Rating: 2
I agree whole heartedly... The average PS3/360 fan boy doesn't realize that there's more to next generation technical advancement than just prettier graphics. IMHO speaking in terms of control systems the PS/360 have both been left far in the dust by the Wii, which is one of the major reasons why it dominates this generation.

The funny thing is that Microsoft understands this better than the average 360 (and PS3) fanboy... Just look at their recent and upcoming stradegies... Cheaper price points, greater focus on family fun and quick gratifying game play, rumored Wii like motion controler...


By Hiawa23 on 5/13/2008 6:42:14 PM , Rating: 2
It's imple, I like the wii for family gaming, PS3 Xbox 360 for my main gaming, & online play. It's as simple as that.


"If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it." -- SCEA President Jack Tretton











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