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Microsoft preps 65nm GPU for cooler Xbox 360s

Chip process evolution is a usual thing in a console’s lifecycle, but rarely has it been as important as in the case of the Xbox 360.

Known for its relatively hardware fragility, the original design of the Xbox 360 would frequently fall to the “Red Ring of Death” failure, which Microsoft terms as the three flashing red lights. While improvements in cooling and a CPU die shrink to 65nm in the Falcon revision have surely improved the situation, the problematic GPU still sits with its 90nm process.

The 65nm drop for the GPU in the Xbox 360 revision codenamed Jasper isn’t expected until August, a time frame backed up by a report from CENS. Microsoft has contracted Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC), Advanced Semiconductor Engineering Inc. (ASE) and Nanya PCB Corp. to build the chips that will ship with the Jasper consoles later this summer.

TSMC will produce the 65nm chips, ASE will package and test them, and Nanya will supply the flip-chip packaging substrates. Microsoft has supposedly booked a production capacity at TSMC estimated to be at around 10,000 300mm wafers.

Inventory of the existing Falcon chips are reportedly depleted, paving the way for the transition to Jasper. The next step for the Xbox 360 console is dubbed “Valhalla,” which will integrate both the GPU and CPU in a single package as a cost-cutting measure, isn’t expected until a year after Jasper.



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RE: Gotta Appreciate The Second Effort
By Reclaimer77 on 5/9/2008 11:53:59 AM , Rating: 0
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360 owners buy 4.7 games per year, while PS3 owners buy 4.6 games per year. Hardly a difference worth mentioning. The only advantage the 360 has is it has been out a year longer.


I can barely think of 4.6 games total worth playing for the PS3. More games total are sold for the 360 and you can keep that crutch argument of how long its been out if it makes you sleep better at night.

Heat issues. Reliability issues. No current Blu-Ray support, and its still kicking the PS3's ass. I bet that really gets to you people apparently.


RE: Gotta Appreciate The Second Effort
By Aloonatic on 5/9/2008 12:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
That's the sort of post that you I just love DT for and always brings a smile to my face.

A years head start always helps with sales numbers of course, and people having to buy another machine because their old one has died doesn't seem to have done the figures any harm either. (yes, not ever RROD xBox360 was replaced under warranty)

I must admit that the games sales rate does seem a little high when you consider the attachment rates, but again you will notice that they stated per year

There are plenty of games out there to buy if you want to for both consoles (and that other one from Nintendo) and you have the funds.

One last thing, PS3 has (apparently) taken over the xBox in europe, which you could argue is the only even playing field in the "console wars"

No jingoistic purchasing patterns as found in the US and Japan with teh xBox and PS3 respectively.

In Japan the PS3 is kicking the xBox's virtual ass I believe?

I don't really care however, I have all 3 of the latest consoles so it matter's little to me :p

I sleep like a log =D


By omnicronx on 5/9/2008 1:27:59 PM , Rating: 4
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In Japan the PS3 is kicking the xBox's virtual ass I believe?
In Japan the Wii is kicking the PS3's and the 360's butt.. They have only sold 2 million PS3s in Japan, considering the success of the PS2, and that Sony is a Japanese company, I would consider that territory a total flop for sony.


RE: Gotta Appreciate The Second Effort
By murphyslabrat on 5/9/2008 12:20:28 PM , Rating: 3
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MS is not stupid enough to design a console that would fail.

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I bet that really gets to you people apparently.


I am glad to see the MS fanboys are here in strength, but the PS3 fanboys are taking their sweet time.


RE: Gotta Appreciate The Second Effort
By Reclaimer77 on 5/9/2008 12:32:28 PM , Rating: 1
Actually I don't even own a 360. I'm just tired of the PS3 kiddies spewing all kinds of crap ( 33% failure rate ) and jumping at every opportunity to slam MS and the 360 with their own inflated sense of consumer pride or whatever is driving them.

I think its just overcompensation when someone can't just be happy with what they have and feel a need to ruin something for everyone else.

I mean really, look at who gets downrated into oblivion on these threads. If all the MS fanbois are here in strength, why does every rational pro 360 person have a 1 or 0 ?

And those poor Wii guys. I love how the PS3 crowd on DT flames them into the pits of hell for daring to buy a cheap little fun console and having the audacity to talk about it. The idea that someone could enjoy a console not built around Blu-Ray is apparently revolting to some 'gamers'.

I can understand, not condone, Ms haters. But I think its kind of hypocritical to be an MS hater while singing the praises of a Sony product. To use a laymans term, Sony is every bit the 'douchebag' that MS is.


RE: Gotta Appreciate The Second Effort
By Locutus465 on 5/9/2008 1:22:55 PM , Rating: 3
Excellent post... Really there are fanboi's on both sides of the high def console "war" (nintendo thus far seems to not suffer this problem) and they're all irritating.


By murphyslabrat on 5/12/2008 10:07:54 AM , Rating: 2
No, it's just that the Wii Fanboys are too busy actually playing their games.


By robinthakur on 5/15/2008 5:30:33 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not a fanboi, I own all three consoles. I have the 360 sitting next to the PS3 and can give an accurate account of my experience of both. Why so defensive of MS and the 360 Reclaimer77? You've shown such overwhelming confidence in the product that you don't even own one? As such I think you're the biggest hypocrite on this site. When I state that I find the console unreliable and loud it is based on fact, it is not a made up percentage. The stats absolutely don't matter if you've paid a not inconsiderable amount for a console that 33% (roughly) of the time does not work as it should. MS refuses to fix it under warranty, and i'm unlikely to purchase a second one. MS fanbois are just as annoying as PS3 fanbois its just that there aren't as many PS3 fanbois since the launch flopped so badly that it was obvious even to them. Its just that MS fanbois include alot of the demographic which used to buy PC games and are generally mouthy teens from the US. The actual failure figures are only anecdotally known because MS refused to release or confirm them. For them to have taken the drastic action they took re the warranty and also for Bill to mention it, it was a serious problem.


By BladeVenom on 5/9/2008 2:10:47 PM , Rating: 2
You're the one taking it personally. I don't even own a PS3.


By deeznuts on 5/9/2008 3:45:52 PM , Rating: 2
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Heat issues. Reliability issues. No current Blu-Ray support, and its still kicking the PS3's ass. I bet that really gets to you people apparently.

News flash, it isn't early 2007 anymore. 360's 8-10 million lead is shrinking, fast. It is doing anything, but kicking the PS3's ass.

360 shot it's load last year with good games, Bio, Halo, Mass effect. But that did nothing for console sales. PS3 has already overtaken 360 in europe, after only being released about one year, compared to 2 years and 5 months for the 360.


By RubberJohnny on 5/12/2008 11:26:51 PM , Rating: 2
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I can barely think of 4.6 games total worth playing for the ps3
Fanboi alert!

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and its still kicking the PS3's ass

Maybe in the US, what about the rest of the world...we'll have to wait and see who 'comes second' this generation ;) I own a 360 and have considered trading it in on a ps3 many times simply out of frustration with poor quality hardware - mostly the fan and drive noise.


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