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Microsoft preps 65nm GPU for cooler Xbox 360s

Chip process evolution is a usual thing in a console’s lifecycle, but rarely has it been as important as in the case of the Xbox 360.

Known for its relatively hardware fragility, the original design of the Xbox 360 would frequently fall to the “Red Ring of Death” failure, which Microsoft terms as the three flashing red lights. While improvements in cooling and a CPU die shrink to 65nm in the Falcon revision have surely improved the situation, the problematic GPU still sits with its 90nm process.

The 65nm drop for the GPU in the Xbox 360 revision codenamed Jasper isn’t expected until August, a time frame backed up by a report from CENS. Microsoft has contracted Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC), Advanced Semiconductor Engineering Inc. (ASE) and Nanya PCB Corp. to build the chips that will ship with the Jasper consoles later this summer.

TSMC will produce the 65nm chips, ASE will package and test them, and Nanya will supply the flip-chip packaging substrates. Microsoft has supposedly booked a production capacity at TSMC estimated to be at around 10,000 300mm wafers.

Inventory of the existing Falcon chips are reportedly depleted, paving the way for the transition to Jasper. The next step for the Xbox 360 console is dubbed “Valhalla,” which will integrate both the GPU and CPU in a single package as a cost-cutting measure, isn’t expected until a year after Jasper.

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By Freezetronius on 5/9/2008 12:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
My year long warranty at gamestop ends in July, perfect time to hopefully pick up a new system with a Jasper.

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By someguy123 on 5/9/2008 12:12:08 AM , Rating: 2
I think it says in the article they won't be available until august.

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By the goat on 5/9/08, Rating: 0
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By FITCamaro on 5/9/2008 8:29:24 AM , Rating: 3
He never said there's anything wrong with his 360. Just that if he can get a new, cooler operating model that will use less power for free (as his warranty will allow), he will.

I have a 2 year warranty from Best Buy that allows the same thing and I'll probably use it as well. I've no real complaints about the noise or heat the console puts out but I'd rather have the 65nm CPU and GPU model. Plus I get the money I paid for it back so if the Elite is cheaper then than when I bought it, I get money back.

And actually for some reason, in the past two days I've been having some kind of issue with my 360 where it's locking up while booting up GTAIV. It's not a heat issue because I just turned the console on for the day. But its like there's some kind of memory corruption happening. It's not the same as the PS3 issue either. I turn off the console and boot it back up, and it plays the game fine for hours without issue.

I don't know if its an issue with the game screwing something up or a problem thats becoming an issue with the console itself. If it continues, I'll plan to exchange it for a Jasper model when they're out.

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By erector16 on 5/9/2008 12:40:16 PM , Rating: 2
Uh oh, that's exactly how my console acted before I got the RROD. It did that for about two weeks, and then eventually would freeze during the boot process. Then the RROD.

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By FITCamaro on 5/9/2008 2:41:56 PM , Rating: 2
Ok. Well if I have to exchange it this weekend, at least I'll be getting the Falcon model. Glad I bought the replacement plan though so I can just take it in and exchange it instead of having to mail it out for a few weeks. Also this way I'm guaranteed to get a new one instead of a refurb.

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By FITCamaro on 5/12/2008 1:15:14 PM , Rating: 2
Exchanged my console on Saturday. The new one seems to run a bit cooler, but the first didn't really seem to run hot anyway. After about 4 hours of playing GTA IV, I put my hand back there and the air coming out seemed pretty cool. I know my graphics cards in the past have put out a lot hotter heat than my 360 ever has.

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By the goat on 5/9/2008 1:38:24 PM , Rating: 2
He never said there's anything wrong with his 360.

then why does he want a new one?
Just that if he can get a new, cooler operating model that will use less power for free (as his warranty will allow), he will.

I'm missing something here. A warranty will replace his purchase if it breaks because of a manufacturing defect. How is he going to use the warranty to get a new console for free without purposely breaking his console and making it look like a defect? Where I come from that is called fraud and is illegal and immoral.

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By omnicronx on 5/9/2008 1:57:17 PM , Rating: 2
He probably bought an extended warranty from the store he bought it from, I don't think he is saying he has 2 years left on the MS 3 year exchange. I get this kind of warranty whenever I buy a pair of headphones, because my GF manages to break them everytime, I just bring them back and get new ones.. all for an extra 10 bucks.. on 45$ headphones

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By FITCamaro on 5/9/2008 2:39:10 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the time you take it in saying there's something wrong with it and they don't even check. They'll just exchange it.

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By Locutus465 on 5/9/2008 2:48:12 PM , Rating: 2
This is oh so very true... spend about 20 min on the phone, tell them nothing they suggested work, they'll send you the mail in box, you send it to MS and magically you get a brand new console...

RE: Perfect
By Manch on 5/9/2008 9:54:51 AM , Rating: 2
1 GB
1 playstation
1 Dreamcast
1 GBA original
1 PS2 replacement
1 GBA new style
2 DS original and newer version
1 XBOX360 (March 2006)
and they all work.

1 PS2 (Launch) <30days dead. This didn't bother me too much since the only games i could find were gradius, and that fireworks game. I didn't buy that one though i did make fun of everyone who did.

I guess it's luck of the draw or just depends on how well you take care of your stuff. I perform PMI's on my consoels regulary to make sure they stay in top form.

The 360 though since it also doubles as a room heater I'm very careful to make sure it's well ventilated and dust free.

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By Reclaimer77 on 5/9/2008 11:22:10 AM , Rating: 2
I bought one PS3 and I expect to never have to buy a new one.

You happily bought into the most expensive launch console EVER, $650 bucks I believe , and your lecturing him on being frugal ?

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By adiposity on 5/9/2008 12:47:06 PM , Rating: 2
This is what they sold for in California and Texas (I know because I got mine on ebay from a guy in Texas who gave me the receipt):

20 gb 499
60 gb 599

I assume it was the same across the US.


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By omnicronx on 5/9/2008 1:22:33 PM , Rating: 2
I bought one PS3 and I expect to never have to buy a new one.
I just wanted a few people to know something very interesting. My PS3 died a month ago, less than 2 months after I bought it. Turned it on one day and it would not read any discs. So i got Sony to send me a purilator package to send it back thinking this was just a random disc failure incident.

My friend happens to work at a purilator plant it was being shipped too so I asked him to deliver to the plant for me. Randomly we got into a conversation about the 360 and I started joking with him asking how many boxes come through a week. He said there were quite a few, but surprisingly there were also a lot of broken PS3's comming through also. He 'guesstimated' that for for every three 360's one PS3 came in.

What I also found intriguing is when I told the service representative my problem, she asked which SKU I had, and before I could answer she said 40? I did not think anything of it at the time, but apparently a lot of the consoles comming back were indeed the 40G sku..

Moral of the story the PS3 can fail too, although its much less likely than the 360. As for the PS2.. I think you forgot that almost every launch red box PS2 had disc read issues. Not one person I know that bought a red box PS2 had it for more than a year. In fact I know some poeple that went through 3-4 PS2's..

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