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AMD engineers reveal details about the company's upcoming 45nm processor roadmap, including plans for 12-core processors

"Shanghai! Shanghai!" the reporters cry during the AMD's financial analyst day today. Despite the fact that the company will lay off nearly 5% of its work force this week, followed by another 5% next month, most employees interviewed by DailyTech continue to convey an optimistic outlook.

The next major milestone for the CPU engineers comes late this year, with the debut of 45nm Shanghai. Shanghai, for all intents and purposes, is nearly identical to the B3 stepping of Socket 1207 Opteron (Barcelona) shipping today.  However, where as Barcelona had its HyperTransport 3.0 clock generator fused off, Shanghai will once again attempt to get HT3.0 right.

Original roadmaps anticipated that HT3.0 would be used for socket-to-socket communication, but also for communication to the Southbridge controllers. Motherboard manufacturers have confirmed that this is no longer the case, and that HT3.0 will only be used for inter-CPU communication.

"Don't be disappointed, AMD is making up for it," hints one engineer.  Further conversations revealed that inter-CPU communication is going to be a big deal with the 45nm refresh.  The first breadcrumb comes with a new "native six-core" Shanghai derivative, currently codenamed Istanbul.  This processor is clearly targeted at Intel's recently announced six-core, 45nm Dunnington processor.

But sextuple-core processors have been done, or at least we'll see the first ones this year.  The real neat stuff comes a few months after, where AMD will finally ditch the "native-core" rhetoric.  Two separate reports sent to DailyTech from AMD partners indicate that Shanghai and its derivatives will also get twin-die per package treatment.  

AMD planned twin-die configurations as far back as the K8 architecture, though abandoned those efforts.  The company never explained why those processors were nixed, but just weeks later "native quad-core" became a major marketing campaign for AMD in anticipation of Barcelona.

A twin-die Istanbul processor could enable 12 cores in a single package. Each of these cores will communicate to each other via the now-enabled HT3.0 interconnect on the processor.  

The rabbit hole gets deeper.  Since each of these processors will contain a dual-channel memory controller, a single-core can emulate quad-channel memory functions by accessing the other dual-channel memory controller on the same socket.  This move is likely a preemptive strike against Intel's Nehalem tri-channel memory controller.
 
Motherboard manufacturers claim Shanghai and its many-core derivatives will be backwards compatible with existing Socket 1207 motherboards.  However, processor-to-processor communication will downgrade to lower HyperTransport frequencies on these older motherboards. The newest 1207+ motherboards will officially support the HyperTransport 3.0 frequencies.

Shanghai is currently taped out and running Windows at AMD.


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And the last sentence came from..... ?
By kilkennycat on 4/17/2008 7:44:18 PM , Rating: -1
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Shanghai is currently taped out and running Windows at AMD.


Information from a REPUTABLE unbiased 3rd party source... ??

Intel gave a fully public demonstration of multiple beta-phase 45nm Penryns running several flavors of OS a little over a year ago with lots and lots of hard technical information including power-dissipation estimates. No need for AMD to be this coy about Shanghai, since they have nothing to hide that would be useful to their competition. The clock on Shanghai volume production only starts ticking when AMD publicly reveals fully-functional beta-phase product. Count a year from that time for the "desktop" version to be available -- assuming that AMD can ramp their 45nm Shanghai production as efficiently as Intel with Penryn. As far as the Shanghai production volume timeframe is concerned, assume lots of wishful thinking in this announcement and you won't be too disappointed.




RE: And the last sentence came from..... ?
By neo64 on 4/18/2008 2:52:11 AM , Rating: 2
By johnsonx on 4/19/2008 9:52:05 PM , Rating: 2
But that is just reposted from Fudzilla. Reputable goes right out the window then.


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