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AMD engineers reveal details about the company's upcoming 45nm processor roadmap, including plans for 12-core processors

"Shanghai! Shanghai!" the reporters cry during the AMD's financial analyst day today. Despite the fact that the company will lay off nearly 5% of its work force this week, followed by another 5% next month, most employees interviewed by DailyTech continue to convey an optimistic outlook.

The next major milestone for the CPU engineers comes late this year, with the debut of 45nm Shanghai. Shanghai, for all intents and purposes, is nearly identical to the B3 stepping of Socket 1207 Opteron (Barcelona) shipping today.  However, where as Barcelona had its HyperTransport 3.0 clock generator fused off, Shanghai will once again attempt to get HT3.0 right.

Original roadmaps anticipated that HT3.0 would be used for socket-to-socket communication, but also for communication to the Southbridge controllers. Motherboard manufacturers have confirmed that this is no longer the case, and that HT3.0 will only be used for inter-CPU communication.

"Don't be disappointed, AMD is making up for it," hints one engineer.  Further conversations revealed that inter-CPU communication is going to be a big deal with the 45nm refresh.  The first breadcrumb comes with a new "native six-core" Shanghai derivative, currently codenamed Istanbul.  This processor is clearly targeted at Intel's recently announced six-core, 45nm Dunnington processor.

But sextuple-core processors have been done, or at least we'll see the first ones this year.  The real neat stuff comes a few months after, where AMD will finally ditch the "native-core" rhetoric.  Two separate reports sent to DailyTech from AMD partners indicate that Shanghai and its derivatives will also get twin-die per package treatment.  

AMD planned twin-die configurations as far back as the K8 architecture, though abandoned those efforts.  The company never explained why those processors were nixed, but just weeks later "native quad-core" became a major marketing campaign for AMD in anticipation of Barcelona.

A twin-die Istanbul processor could enable 12 cores in a single package. Each of these cores will communicate to each other via the now-enabled HT3.0 interconnect on the processor.  

The rabbit hole gets deeper.  Since each of these processors will contain a dual-channel memory controller, a single-core can emulate quad-channel memory functions by accessing the other dual-channel memory controller on the same socket.  This move is likely a preemptive strike against Intel's Nehalem tri-channel memory controller.
Motherboard manufacturers claim Shanghai and its many-core derivatives will be backwards compatible with existing Socket 1207 motherboards.  However, processor-to-processor communication will downgrade to lower HyperTransport frequencies on these older motherboards. The newest 1207+ motherboards will officially support the HyperTransport 3.0 frequencies.

Shanghai is currently taped out and running Windows at AMD.

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RE: Don't get me wrong
By inighthawki on 4/17/2008 7:32:19 PM , Rating: 1
agreed, most people don't realize that their 100 startup application, no matter how small, are seriously affecting the speed of their computer. Most of these people have no idea how fast a computer can be as well. I have almost all unecessary processes turned off, running vista, and it's running smooth as butter. I can't say the same for my friend who had an almost identical setup with XP running stuff in the background.

I find that it's all the little stuff like printer managers, mouse/keyboard monitors (ie. logitech), and quick launch utilities that really slow the computer down. (although multi core processors could potentially speed up some of these no doubt)

RE: Don't get me wrong
By oab on 4/17/2008 7:43:01 PM , Rating: 1
It won't really speed much of anything up, because load times are mostly limited by disk access speed, hence why SSD's have such faster boot-up times compared to HDD's. It's not that the processor is any faster, the drive can just get information into ram faster.

RE: Don't get me wrong
By inighthawki on 4/17/2008 7:49:26 PM , Rating: 2
For load times yes, but my second paragraph i was more or less referring to the speed of the computer after its fully loaded, just running apps in the background. Sorry for the confusion

RE: Don't get me wrong
By eye smite on 4/18/2008 5:51:56 PM , Rating: 3
I agree on the apps and access times for already running apps. I upgraded this older socket 939 from a 3500+ to a 4200+X2, and while the speed is the same, having that extra core to loaed into makes a noticeable difference when multi-tasking.

RE: Don't get me wrong
By JLL55 on 4/17/2008 8:17:07 PM , Rating: 2
I was just wondering, could people list possible processes to turn off or point me to one cause I think i have quite a few turned off, but I really haven't seen a "good" list.

RE: Don't get me wrong
By ViroMan on 4/18/2008 4:20:32 AM , Rating: 2
This site seems to be rather thorough about what each service does. I have used it to help me decide what to turn off and its great.

RE: Don't get me wrong
By chiadog on 4/18/2008 7:14:56 AM , Rating: 2
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RE: Don't get me wrong
By ViroMan on 4/19/2008 6:27:27 AM , Rating: 2
Nice site indeed, I shall bookmark it. As far as describing services and what to do with them, the site I provided was a better choice. It tells you what they do, what you should do with them depending on what your looking for, how much ram they use, and the registry settings used.

RE: Don't get me wrong
By Alpha4 on 4/17/2008 8:37:03 PM , Rating: 3
Thats too funny. I often point out that current mainstream desktops with dual-core chips are little more than systems with liberated single-core processors.

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