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It is apparent that Intel is extremely excited about the upcoming Conroe architecture

AnandTech today had an hour alone with Conroe and an overclocked AMD Athlon 64 FX-60. Intel had two systems available for testing: the first computer was an Athlon 64 FX-60 overclocked to 2.8GHz running on a DFI RD480 motherboard. The other system was a Conroe running at 2.66GHz on an Intel 975X motherboard. Anand compared several video games: Quake 4, Half Life 2 - Lost Coast, Unreal Tournament 2004, and F.E.A.R. Along with the video games, Windows Media Encoder 9, DivX 6.1, and iTunes 6.0.1.3 were also tested.

While we're still comparing to Socket-939 and only using RD480, it does seem very unlikely that AMD would be able to make up this much of a deficit with Socket-AM2 and RD580. Especially looking at titles like F.E.A.R. where Conroe's performance advantage averages over 40%, it looks like Intel's confidence has been well placed.

When the tests were finished, it was obvious that AMD will have a lot of work to do if it wants to try and match the performance from Conroe.



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RE: Intel FUD
By bozilla on 3/7/2006 9:57:45 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see a reason for your conspiracy theory. You have to understand that Intel is a multi-billion dollar company that has many times the engineers that AMD has. This processor is quite naturally something that was expected. It's been several years where Intel just kept perfecting the next generation of CPUs and they succeeded.

Why would Intel present set-up scenario for something that everyone can attest for themselves in several months. It doesn't make sense. Also, I don't see any setup or CPU these days that can really reach the speeds that Conroe showed with games like Fear and others included in the AT review.

You have to understand that this showcase was just a public way of Intel saying "We are back and we'll squash AMD", there's really no need for them to use false hardware to show results.

As I said before, this was naturally expected and one of the reasons why Apple went with Intel. They probably showed the Conroe prototypes way before and Apple joined in.

I'm not a fan of Intel and I think that their business practices are sometimes very questionable, but I'm definitely certain that they didn't sit on their behinds while AMD was gaining market share, and Conroe shows that.


RE: Intel FUD
By Wwhat on 3/8/2006 5:44:47 AM , Rating: 3
The reason for doubt is history, intel made tall claims before and then failed to come through.
Also the test was a comparison with an AMD system set up by intel..
Perhaps you have seen slides in the past in which intel made ridiculous claims about all their cpu's being so superior? or perhaps you did not.
I would not trust a test at AMD HQ with an intel box set up by them as comparison either btw, your argument that they are a billion dollar company only underscores how important it is for them to 'tweak' tests, they obviously have a lot to lose and gain, even a rumor can make their stock gain or drop and move many millions around.
As for the number of engineers, NASA has highly trained and wellpayed engineers too, yet the spaceshuttle can't fly and the russian spaceships have less trouble, seems then that it's not always the ammount of engineers and ammount of money but the decisions made and roads taken which make a project stand or fall.
Having said all this I do believe the conroe to become a good CPU that will do an admirable job, however the comparison to AMD I'd like to see being done on independant grounds and not in some corperate setting.


RE: Intel FUD
By bozilla on 3/8/2006 6:46:15 AM , Rating: 2
I know about their claims, but you have to understand that they have a lot more to lose by making false statements now and then underdeliver later, then ever before.

There's a lot at stake here and one of the reasons why I believe that there was nothing rigged is simply because they already have a bad rep among the enthusiast community and they are trying to regain it. Being in marketing, I can tell you that this is most likely the case, considering that they spent a lot of money for rebranding. In many cases this is done to try to change the negative face in a new light. Like a new beginning.

I wasn't there so I can't say with 100% assurance that there was no rigging, however I do believe the Anandtech crew when they say:

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We won't say it's impossible as anything can happen, but we couldn't find anything suspicious about the setups.


As for your NASA comparison, it's pretty clear who is still the most advanced institution for space travel and exploration. It's definitely not Russians. So case in point, the number of engineers does make a difference, even though granted leadership and smart ideas play a major part in everything. Out of 1000 engineers at least one will have something smart on his/her's mind, don't you think so?


RE: Intel FUD
By bob661 on 3/8/2006 2:25:08 PM , Rating: 3
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I wasn't there so I can't say with 100% assurance that there was no rigging, however I do believe the Anandtech crew when they say:
If you believe Intel, then go ahead and buy their products soley based on the info provided by them. If you believe AMD, then go ahead and buy their products soley based on the info provided by them. I, on the other hand, will wait for the 3rd party unbiased info before I make my decisions.


RE: Intel FUD
By masher2 (blog) on 3/8/2006 3:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
> "I, on the other hand, will wait for the 3rd party unbiased info..."

So now you're saying Anand works for Intel?


RE: Intel FUD
By bob661 on 3/8/2006 9:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
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So now you're saying Anand works for Intel?
I guess you don't get it. Anand ran benchmarks set up by Intel on machines prepared by Intel at a conference held by Intel. What other results do you expect to get in an environment like that? Just because they let Anand run the benchmarks doesn't mean there isn't any vanilla in the chocolate. YOU can go ahead a base your purchase decisions on this if you like. I'll wait for the shipping product AND the 3rd party unbiased benchmarks from Anandtech's lab. Thank you and have a nice day.


RE: Intel FUD
By masher2 (blog) on 3/8/2006 9:46:29 PM , Rating: 3
> "YOU can go ahead a base your purchase decisions on this if you like."

In case you missed it, the product isn't out yet. So there aren't any "purchase decisions" to be made.

As for Intel 'rigging' this test, they may have bent over backwards to slant the setup and choice of benchmarks to favor themselves, but any nonsense about them secretly crippling the AMD machine or such is just that. Nonsense. The AMD server and CPU are shipping products...nothing is stopping Anand or anyone else from getting the same machine, running the same benchmark, and seeing if the results correspond.



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