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It is apparent that Intel is extremely excited about the upcoming Conroe architecture

AnandTech today had an hour alone with Conroe and an overclocked AMD Athlon 64 FX-60. Intel had two systems available for testing: the first computer was an Athlon 64 FX-60 overclocked to 2.8GHz running on a DFI RD480 motherboard. The other system was a Conroe running at 2.66GHz on an Intel 975X motherboard. Anand compared several video games: Quake 4, Half Life 2 - Lost Coast, Unreal Tournament 2004, and F.E.A.R. Along with the video games, Windows Media Encoder 9, DivX 6.1, and iTunes 6.0.1.3 were also tested.

While we're still comparing to Socket-939 and only using RD480, it does seem very unlikely that AMD would be able to make up this much of a deficit with Socket-AM2 and RD580. Especially looking at titles like F.E.A.R. where Conroe's performance advantage averages over 40%, it looks like Intel's confidence has been well placed.

When the tests were finished, it was obvious that AMD will have a lot of work to do if it wants to try and match the performance from Conroe.





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Remember
By Supa on 3/7/2006 9:27:04 PM , Rating: 2
Impressive benchmarks by Intel, but remember Conroe is on 65nm process while AMD is still on 90nm; it means AMD still have some headroom.

We still don't know how overclockable Conroe will be, but we know the lower speed Opteron will be just as fast as any Opteron out there after overclocking.

Low clock Opteron is still the best price/performance option, in fact the coming of Conroe will only enhance it by fueling the competition.


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RE: Remember
By mforce2 on 3/7/2006 9:50:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'll probably just buy a Sempron anyway :) .


RE: Remember
By clnee55 on 3/7/06, Rating: 0
RE: Remember
By mforce2 on 3/7/2006 10:06:20 PM , Rating: 2
Well I would buy a Conron actually but I din't see any tests of how it too beats anything AMD has :) .


RE: Remember
By Furen on 3/7/2006 10:03:44 PM , Rating: 2
I dont think we can expect THAT much headroom from AMD's 65nm shrink. Consider that many of the old 130nm FX-55s can still out-overclock current 90nm CPUs. Of course they consume more power but the clockspeed headroom is just not there on current 90nm parts, and 65nm probably wont improve it. Remember that Dothan had a huge overclocking headroom, even at 90nm so what AMD needs is probably not just a shrink but transistor-level improvements.


RE: Remember
By BaronMatrix on 3/7/2006 10:18:21 PM , Rating: 2
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Impressive benchmarks by Intel, but remember Conroe is on 65nm process while AMD is still on 90nm; it means AMD still have some headroom.




Intel finally did something right. I figured they would get some good increases out of Conroe, but this may force AMD to go with the extra FP registers sooner rathe rthan later. I have PCs from both companies but until now have never used a faster comparable Intel. I'm sure AMD knew what would happen. They still have 6 months to make more tweaks to Rev F. I also heard that they WILL support 1066MHz DDR2( not that there will bemuch around).

As others have said this is good for consumers. I won't have to wait as long for my FX60.

I noticed though that Intel has changed from a Server compnay to a desktop one so it seems like they aren't doing much to hurt Opteron dual cores. Aaaah, competition


RE: Remember
By brizz on 3/7/2006 10:58:23 PM , Rating: 3
We should also remember that AMD is much more secretive about their roadmap than Intel. They now have more money than they have ever had before and have been licensing all sorts of new technologies. It would be foolish for anyone to believe that they don't have a strong answer to Conroe.


RE: Remember
By masher2 (blog) on 3/7/2006 11:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
AMD may well have an "answer" to Conroe...but they won't have it when Conroe first ships. Secretive or no, you have to telegraph major chip developments at least a few months in advance, just to prepare the channel.


RE: Remember
By brizz on 3/7/2006 11:46:03 PM , Rating: 2
Even if they don't have an answer in Q3 when Conroe ships, they WILL have an answer, and that is what AMD is counting on. Previously (pre K8) they never had a real answer to anything that Intel was making. Now there is real competition between the two and we are the one who will reap the benefits.


RE: Remember
By BaronMatrix on 3/7/2006 11:51:39 PM , Rating: 2
They have gotten them out. The chips have been sampling. AM2 tests were on here I believe. It wasn't even certain if the chips that were used had the memory controller bug, so I see 30% per clock with all of the things AMD is NOT talking about. That will put them even enough that Conroe won't shine as much by June ( which is the launch date, not necessarily the availabiltiy date). Who knows the infamous Rev G may turn up sooner than anticipated if AM2 doesn't return the crown.

They ARE very secretive.

It was said that they could release 65nm if they really wanted to before the end of the year and I would bet that that is what enabled Intel to make the jumps that Conroe seems to have.


RE: Remember
By clnee55 on 3/8/2006 11:22:02 AM , Rating: 2
How do you know if they are very secretive?

"They ARE very secretive"


RE: Remember
By bob661 on 3/8/2006 2:40:14 PM , Rating: 2
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How do you know if they are very secretive?
How do you know that Conroe is the new performance champ even though there is no actual consumer product to buy neither has there been any tests of actual consumer product by reliable and credible 3rd parties?


RE: Remember
By JumpingJack on 3/8/2006 1:37:08 AM , Rating: 2
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....They now have more money than they have ever had before and have been licensing all sorts of new technologies....

While I will not debate that they aer not working hard to push forward, your "more money than they have ever had" is abit wierd when you look at the balance sheet...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=AMD

Their current balance sheet does not bode well, a debt load of 1.37B and a cash on hand of 1.89B does not add up to a lot of dinero... , I guess you could say they are in the black with cash on hand for the first time in 10 years... last word on the street they were working to secure financing for retrofitting to 65 nm, looks like Germany will need to buy it for them.


RE: Remember
By tauron on 3/8/2006 4:05:16 AM , Rating: 3
Since we know for sure that there's ('ll be) a 3.0GHz part, at least slower Conroe's like 2.4GHz or 2.66GHz can go upto that level.


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