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Act of love more offensive than severed human heads, reports poll

Believe it or not, the choice between taking life or creating life is one that is very unclear to parents. In a poll on parent-oriented gaming site What They Play, respondents were asked to pick from a choice of four what they found the most offensive in a video game.

The four choices offered were: a graphically severed human head; a man and a woman having sex; multiple use of the F-word; or two men kissing.

Perhaps as a strange demonstration of social values, those who voted in the poll reported that sexual matters of any sort were more offensive than explicit violence or profanity. The leading pick as the most offensive act in video game was “a man and woman having sex” at 37 percent. Off second place with 27 percent was “two men kissing.”

Next in second last place with 26 percent was the anti-violence answer of “a graphically severed human head.” In a distant fourth was “multiple use of the F-word.”

Informed parents are the best defence against exposure of inappropriate material to children, though it appears that many are more concerned about sexual matters than graphic violence.

Susan Arendt of Game|Life shared the story of an encounter she once had in a game store: “A woman was trying to buy her 12-year old daughter some games for Christmas, and overhearing me talking about games, asked me for advice. She picked up one of the Resident Evils and asked me if it was any good. I told her that it was an excellent game, but quite violent and scary. ‘Oh, that's no problem,’ she replied. ‘But there's no, you know, people having relations in it, is there?’



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A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By AzureKevin on 4/11/2008 5:28:03 PM , Rating: 5
This example is reflected not only in video games, but society in general. We spends millions, maybe billions of dollars on weapons development and the military. We glorify war, violence, and killing in movies and TV shows. Meanwhile, sex is taboo, and anything that has even a hint of sex is often considered sleazy, immoral, or just plain wrong. We've completely disregarded the fact that sex is natural and very much a necessity. I will never understand this, and it leads me to wonder how misguided we really are as a species.




RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By R Nilla on 4/11/2008 6:01:23 PM , Rating: 5
And what's more, most people don't engage in violent acts, murder, or gun fights in the streets, but most certainly DO engage in sexual activities behind closed doors. Yet in public they are adamant about pretending that sex doesn't exist.

Baffling.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By mindless1 on 4/11/2008 6:54:30 PM , Rating: 4
It's about greed. What do those with a lot of money fear the most? That you will find happiness in ways that makes you less of a consumer of products and services rather than moreso. It may seem oversimplified, but it is in the interest of some to suggest you need to do a lot of work, gain skills that benefit society, and have a large good credit line so you have maximum spending power.

The problem is that many of these factors are actually good for economic prosperity and general well being in modern society.

As for violence, the reason it is so accepted is it is illegal to actually do it in real life. We can and do remove those from society who can't refrain from it while we can't technically arrest people for having sex even if our own moral, religious, etc, standards make us feel it is inappropriate in some cases.

It's not that I'm advocating anything above, but the masses are muppets who just repeat what they were taught and personally I suspect it does also have a bit to do with our military might and that in being a younger country, it wasn't that many generations ago we (in USA) had to fight for independence and abolish slavery, two battles that tended to impact everyone at the time. In other words we are less detatched from a violent past but having no ongoing (real) wars today we can conveniently forget what the toll is in lives lost. Ask the average American how many of our troops died in the past quarter and I doubt anyone would know.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By Hydrofirex on 4/12/2008 11:40:36 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
It's about greed. What do those with a lot of money fear the most? That you will find happiness in ways that makes you less of a consumer of products and services

You must be living in a media black whole. Sex and consumerism have been so intricately tied together in American culture. You're whole premise is flawed. The current mainstream hip-hop and rap culture glorifies materialism in the pursuit of sex. I think the unstated equation goes something like: being successful = being rich = having lots of expensive stuff = being sexy = having lots of sex = justifying your existence and being better than other people.

Further, it's not limited to the exploitation of females as it has been in the past. Today male sexuality is just as powerful a commercial force. Also, it's another demographic of consumers trying to live up to a media created ideal of physical and material 'sexy'. You must use these products, and get styled in this way, purchase these clothes, have these things, and then you are worthwhile, cool, and sexy.

I don't mean to single out current mainstream rap culture, and I certainly am not confining that to any single race, because it is currently a global and cross-cultural phenomenon, but I think it is easily the most extreme example of the union of materialism and sex.

HfX


By Ryanman on 5/3/2008 4:17:28 PM , Rating: 2
there's a huge gap between being sexy and having sex. Sluts still aren't celebrated members of society, if you've noticed. Gays regularly have their rights taken away (an echo of jim crow laws if you ask me... accurate right down to the southern religious right planting these unconstitutional bills) and even straight couples only recently won the right to have anal/premarital sex in states like Texas. In Alabama, where I live, NO store is allowed to sell sex toys or pornography of any kind. Some get around it by saying their products are for health etc. but it's still draconian and gross. Even if the APPEAL of sex to the primary consumer market of teenagers is great, our society's acceptance of it is much less.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By masher2 (blog) on 4/11/2008 11:02:01 PM , Rating: 4
> "most people don't engage in violent acts, murder, or gun fights in the streets, but most certainly DO engage in sexual activities "

That's just the point. I'm not worried about my son playing a video game, then going out and decapitating a few people. But getting his girlfriend pregnant after watching a few steamy movies? That's a definite possibility.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By someguy123 on 4/12/2008 1:56:57 AM , Rating: 5
i find it odd this post was down rated, because it's very true. I can't think of a single (sane and stable) person who would develop a blood lust after playing a violent video game, while I'm sure many teenagers are easily "aroused".

although I don't like society's style of dealing with sex by deeming it a travesty, I sort of agree that seeing sex can cause more trouble than seeing violence.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By fxyefx on 4/12/2008 5:26:37 AM , Rating: 3
Wait... isn't that what condoms are for?


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By Hydrofirex on 4/12/2008 11:57:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's just the point. I'm not worried about my son playing a video game, then going out and decapitating a few people.

And maybe this line of thinking is why we have school shootings, kids hanging racial effigies from trees, sizable groups planning to kill their teachers, gang violence.... the list goes on and on....

And I'm not at all against violent content. On the contrary, I don't beleive there is a correlation between the two. Sex on the other hand is right in everyones face. We live in a sex-saturated media environment with pornography completely accessible to anyone old enough to navigate the web.

I've seen reports of parents going to talk to their kids at 13 about sex, and the kids being interviewed laughing that they had done their "porn phase" at 10 or 11. If your kid wants to watch pornography the porn itself is moot. It's not the "steamy movies" that is going to motivate your kid to have sex and get his girlfriend pregnant, It's his penis.

Hiding sex from your kids is about as smart as hiding the fact that drugs exist. I've always subscribed to the idea that kids will want the stuff you try the hardest to make off-limits the most. Only, they'll be doing so with even less information since no one has taken the time to just be honest about what's up.

HfX


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By masher2 (blog) on 4/12/2008 2:07:44 PM , Rating: 5
> "Hiding sex from your kids is about as smart as hiding the fact that drugs exist"

There's a difference between "hiding the fact that drugs exist", and allowing young children to watch a movie that glorifies the drug culture. It's not just the images that matter, its the context.

> "It's not the "steamy movies" that is going to motivate your kid to have sex and get his girlfriend pregnant, It's his penis."

The point you're missing is that all boys have penises...yet most don't get teenage girls pregnant. You think that's just blind luck? Proper parenting can and does make a difference.

Children from broken homes, low income families, and/or parents that don't properly supervise them are far more likely to have issues with teenage pregnancy, drugs, or the law.

> "I've always subscribed to the idea that kids will want the stuff you try the hardest to make off-limits the most."

Freebase heroin is what I try the hardest to make off-limits to my kids...funny they don't seem to want it the most. And they certainly aren't getting any of it.

> "...and the kids being interviewed laughing that they had done their "porn phase" at 10 or 11"

Your kids, maybe. Not mine.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By dever on 4/12/2008 5:13:32 PM , Rating: 5
Asher is 100% on target here.

Has anyone here ever been "turned on" to do something violent from watching a violent movie? I can't imagine that. If so, there are much more basic problems than movies. Such a person is already missing the most basic respect for human life. Normal people, taught proper and healthy respect for human life, seem able to abstract violence in a way that is not similar to watching sexual content.

Also, as a parent I monitor closely and work to put both violence and sex in their proper context.


By FITCamaro on 4/15/2008 3:39:29 PM , Rating: 2
Well said to you and masher. Parenting makes the difference. Without good parents, it doesn't matter what the government or the schools try to do, it will fail.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By Sungpooz on 4/12/2008 10:17:34 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Informed parents are the best defence against exposure of inappropriate material to children, though it appears that many are more concerned about sexual matters than graphic violence. Susan Arendt of Game|Life shared the story of an encounter she once had in a game store: “A woman was trying to buy her 12-year old daughter some games for Christmas, and overhearing me talking about games, asked me for advice. She picked up one of the Resident Evils and asked me if it was any good. I told her that it was an excellent game, but quite violent and scary. ‘Oh, that's no problem,’ she replied. ‘But there's no, you know, people having relations in it, is there?’


At THAT paragraph, the blog entry changes topic.

Sorry to critique this but I see a big flaw in what a reader may think after reading this blog entry.

This parenting site represents the opinions of parents who are defending their children from any exposure to "bad stuff".

You can't connect what the parents think are bad for their kids to what they "personally" believe is more appalling. The reason they find sex "appalling" in a video game is because of its exposure to children, NOT because sex in itself is more appalling than violence. Therefore, this poll should represent what parents would be more appalled to expose their children to, rather than what is actually more appalling to them.

A kid getting a girl pregnant is nowhere near as "appalling" as Columbine.

What am I appalled by the most? Violence and killing Because it's a horrible, evil act, but I wouldn't expect my kids to do the same.

What would I hide from my kids? Sex, because it's something special, natural, yet dangerous if done irresponsibly and is more likely to influence my children.

Again, I apologize to seem to criticize the post but I just saw that blaring fault and had mention it, as a lot of people began to play along with false connection.

It should not generalize American's opinions with the ones regarding parents discussing child-sensitive material.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By afkrotch on 4/15/2008 3:03:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Your kids, maybe. Not mine.


Unless you're supervising your kids 24/7, they'll get a chance to look at porn.

I agree with the rest of it, but also, like to add peer pressure from friends is far more likely to have major influence over what your children do, than what a game, movie, tv show, etc else can have. I think it can even negate proper parenting.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By Nox Corporatus on 4/13/2008 7:10:58 AM , Rating: 2
And maybe your son wouldn't go and get his girlfriend pregnant if he knew how to protect himself and her from both that and STDs by wearing condoms, and if he knew how a teen pregnancy would affect him.

I think that people fear their children playing games containing "relations", because they know that their children has had no sex ed, because even mentioning sex is taboo. So people should attempt to address the sex ed part first in order to alleviate the worries about the effects of films and games.

Teens are aware -- I should hope -- that killing someone gets you in jail. But are they aware of how many responsibilities you have when you're a parent? Do they know how little freedom they get and how much patience they must have? I doubt that. =/


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By masher2 (blog) on 4/13/2008 9:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
> "And maybe your son wouldn't go and get his girlfriend pregnant if he knew how to protect himself and her from both that and STDs by wearing condoms"

The "maybe" in that phrase is the key word. Condoms aren't a perfect defense, against either pregnancy nor STDs.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By FITCamaro on 4/15/2008 3:43:44 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately you have professors and others saying they are. Even Trojan commercials say that they don't protect against STDs. But I had a friend in college who swore by a professor somewhere who said condoms will prevent you from getting AIDS. I used the example of AIDS patents my mom delivered drugs to and thought the same thing before they got AIDS.


By Ryanman on 5/3/2008 4:35:06 PM , Rating: 2
they won't prevent you getting it, but they do have around a 75% STD blockage rate when you use them perfectly. Personally, I still wouldn't play those odds.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By clovell on 4/14/2008 4:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
But, there isn't any way for a teenager to know how a teen pregnancy will affect him. Teenagers aren't swayed by logic or reasoning.

That's no excuse for not talking to your kids about sexe, but let's not be fooled inot thinking that Sex Ed is a panacea.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By AzureKevin on 4/13/2008 11:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
I definitely agree with your point that violent video games aren't going to cause children to want to commit violent acts, having been one just a few short years ago. However, by the same argument, I don't believe steamy movies or sex in video games have very much influence on people's decisions to want to have sex either. We are living beings with bodies that have reproductive organs and hormones. We were explicitly designed for sex far more so than we were designed for harming one another, and there's really no use trying to hide from it.

If unwanted pregnancy is the main concern here, then I am a huge proponent for education and knowledge. It really is the solution to just about everything. Consider the hunger issues in Africa and other poor countries. Their problems are compounded, if not downright caused by the fact that they are having more children than they can afford to raise. But they lack technology, therefore they haven't been watching any raunchy videos. And what else do they lack? Education.

I am not trying to condone sexual content in media. I just find it a little strange that we think witnessing violence and killing is more acceptable, or at least on par in acceptability as witnessing natural acts of love.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By Hiawa23 on 4/14/2008 8:49:14 AM , Rating: 2
I have a 10 year old daughter, & I talk to her on a regular basis about sex, about notifying myself or her mother if anyone innapropriately touches her. What's so funny to me is alot of parents can't or don't want to talk to their kids about sex & all the problems it causes.

Like someone said, sex is like taboo or something, & some parents just want to put their head in the sands & hope they don't have to deal with it. I monitor what games my daughter plays which is why she has a Wii. I monitor what TV shows & movies she watches, & for those who says that rap music & hip hop culture glorifies sex, hate to break it to you, it aint just Hip Hop, turn on your tv or radio. It's all over te place.

Parents need to be informed & stay on top of what their kids are doing, & should preach abstinance, but if that fails should also give them other safety options. Problem is some parents just want to blame everyone & everything other than themselves when something goes wrong with their kids. Another thing parent should think about is look at their child as a human like us adults, the are going to make mistakes like us adults.

I am just glad I had parents who talked to me about the pitfalls of sex, violence, & stuff & they preached abstinance but in my teens I was sexually active. I just thank God my parents atleast gave me options like condoms, which I used until my final year of college when my then live in girlfriend ended up pregnant, but I was in my 20s about to graduate with a degree in business & she had another year to go & finished the following year. The point I am making is humans need to take control & repsonsibility for their lives & quit blaming videogames, music, movies or celebs for what they do.

Lastly, one of the greatest talks my mother gave me when I was a teen was: It's okay to to want to be like Tupac, my favorite rapper, or Michael Jordan, my favorite sports figure or any celeb, in their perspective fields, but they are flawed humans like the rest of us & just cause they make more money doesn't make their lifestyles okay. It's up to your father & I to teach you right from wrong so you can make good decisions for yourself, so that you become a good productive member of society. What this meant to me was it's okay to want to be able to put a ball in the hoop like MJ, or rap like Tupac, but life choices should be made based on good & good moral values, not what you see them do, & I never forgot that. Another thing she said was MJ Tupac should not be your role model just cause of their job, we should be your role model, as it's our job to mold you into a good person, or teachers, policemen, good members of society.

To this day I don't look at any celeb as a role model just cause of what they do in their field, but look at their life choices, this determines who & what is a role model not how much money, cars, houses, points they score in games. Perhaps more parents should take this route.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By clovell on 4/14/2008 4:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
Natural acts of love are between two people, not witnessed by third parties.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By nekobawt on 4/15/2008 12:25:16 PM , Rating: 3
Unless those two people are into that. ;)


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By AnnihilatorX on 4/11/2008 6:21:16 PM , Rating: 4
I agree.

I find it interesting as modern society, that people find creating life (sex) offensive, but destroying life (murder and violence) less so.

If I vote I'd probably vote 2 man kissing though heh.


By MrPoletski on 4/16/2008 1:41:21 AM , Rating: 2
I find it interesting as modern society, that people find creating life (sex) offensive, but destroying life (murder and violence) less so.

Indeed, the same people also find destroying life that hasn't been born yet even more offensive.

Methinks they just can't get their hole and are taking it out on those that can;)


By Polynikes on 4/15/2008 11:16:06 AM , Rating: 2
Our species was corrupted by religion. It is the source of our moral aversion to sex. The US was founded and populated by religious extremists. That legacy lives on, and is one of the few things I don't like about my country.


RE: A Very Unfortunate Predicament
By afkrotch on 4/15/2008 2:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This example is reflected not only in video games, but society in general. We spends millions, maybe billions of dollars on weapons development and the military. We glorify war, violence, and killing in movies and TV shows. Meanwhile, sex is taboo, and anything that has even a hint of sex is often considered sleazy, immoral, or just plain wrong. We've completely disregarded the fact that sex is natural and very much a necessity. I will never understand this, and it leads me to wonder how misguided we really are as a species.


Violence is as natural as sex is. Ever see two dogs fight over a small plot of land? Over a female dog?

Wars are just grand scales of our instinctive needs to fight over our differences, leading to the injury or death of the opposing force.

Just in the US society, sex is more closed off and hidden than many other countries. Think Euro Trip stated it best, when in the movie, they said the prudes in England moved to the US.


By FITCamaro on 4/15/2008 3:35:38 PM , Rating: 2
How do we glorify war and violence? Because video games, television, and movies show it? Television and movies show just as much sex as war and violence. Games don't only because people complain.


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