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Apple's EULA, as pictured here in Windows XP says you can't install Safari on non-Apple hardware, meaning that Apple has just massively violated its own EULA.  (Source: DailyTech)
Safari for Windows is having some serious issues that deserve a second look.

Fueled by Safari's release on Windows last June and strong Mac sales, Apple's Safari browser has been making modest inroads in the browser marketshare competition, moving up from around 4.6 percent around 5.7 percent between April 2007 and February 2008, according to Net Applications.  It even was able to best the Acid3 test, showing off its compatibility prowess.

However  Safari has run into some troubles.  Apple made the dubious decision of trying to coerce iTune's 500 million users into installing Safari along with the normal iTunes update, via a pesky dialog, which comes with the install Safari option checked by default.  Mozilla blasted Apple for this tactic, saying it "borders on malware distribution practices". 

Now someone has humorously pointed out that in its promotional zealousness, Apple appears to have unintentionally encouraged massive violation of and made a mockery of its own End User License Agreement (EULA) for Safari.  EULAs are supposed to set clear legal guidelines for terms of use and help consumers know what they can and cannot do (i.e. you cannot install this software on everyone in your neighborhood's computers).  Apple's EULA states that Safari can be installed on "
a single Apple-labeled computer at a time", forbidding non-Apple-marked hardware Windows machines, and the updater itself states that "Use of this software is subject to the original Software License Agreement(s) that accompanied the software being updated."

So apparently Apple has succeeded in massively violating its own EULA, a possible first of this scale, depending on the number of accidental or intentional Safari downloads.  Lawyers point out that concerned citizens need not fear about legal action from Apple.  Jonathan Kramer, a tech attorney who runs Kramer Telecom Law Firm states, "We call this an impossibility issue, you can't enforce a term that's impossible."

Amidst this embarassing debacle, new reports are coming in that Safari is faring rather poorly on Windows XP, with many users experiencing crashes.  Windows XP users who felt smug about Windows Vista bugs, may find an unexpected new source of problems-- Apple.  Apple's support forum is being flooded by angry posters complaining that their XP version of the Safari browser is broken.  Says SakJosep, one such poster, "When I try to start Safari 3.1 in Windows XP, it crashes right away."

OllieK92 echoes the previous posters sentiments, stating, "I have this problem too, I have no idea what it is."

Some users are reporting that the browser simply will not open.  The thread on the problems has received over 1,000 views well before receiving much media coverage, making it clear that the problem may be afflicting many users.  There have also been scattered reports of Safari not running on Vista, though XP has received many more such reports.  Of the Vista problems, most posters said the previous versions worked properly, but that the update to the current version, 3.1 broke the browser.

Ironically, the new version of Safari-- 3.1-- had mostly received glowing reviews.  Many reviewers lauded its better speed, security, search tools, and improved support of HTML standards.  However all is not sunny in Cupertino as it appears that Apple may be in for some more criticism amid poorly though out attempts to leverage its iTunes user base as a means of pushing the browser, and from some pesky bugs that have cropped up.


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RE: so?
By JAB on 3/27/2008 2:55:42 PM , Rating: -1
Apple the first company not to read their ULA um yea right. Only the patent trolls and the like really care about the wording. It sould be pretty obvious that a program designed for windows is OK to use anything else is an unreasonable expectation so not enforceable. More chum for the fanboys I guess but not so important in the real world. Congrats on finding a mistake by apple or sony I know that, for vast hordes on this site, there is no greater happiness than seeing your enemy look bad in some way no matter how trivial.

Trying it out in Vista 64 it is nice a little faster than Firefox better looking and well stable. No memory leak like Firefox. Too bad it doesn't have all my extras I wont be moving soon. It looks like a huge improvement over older versions. Worlds better than IE but that is not saying much. I can see why the Firefox people are not happy it works to well at least on Vista. It is getting time to move on from XP like it or not. XP is now more trouble than it is worth if you have a faster computer.


RE: so?
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/27/2008 3:11:59 PM , Rating: 5
No, you're right-- why should companies have to write sensible legal documents?? Secondly, what does Sony have to do with anything??

Firefox 3 has very little memory leak issues. I've found it pretty fast and efficient on Vista 32. I don't think "Firefox people" are terribly worried about Safari, imo. And did you not read that Safari also reportedly has problems on Vista?

And your statement about it being time to switch from XP is funny. What if you don't have a faster computer. I know plenty of college students that don't have 600-1,000 to go out and blow on a decent laptop. XP is still very viable for some users. I switched to Vista, but I see the logic on both sides.


RE: so?
By JAB on 3/27/2008 4:13:30 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
sensible legal documents
Oxymoron dont your think? If you look hard enough for mistakes you can find one simple as that if people here looked that hard on all company it would be a different matter but extreme effort to find any fault in those to complays here kind of blows your indignity out the window. Even if you are not doing it you lie in the same bed and share the lice.

Apple is putting a new and very serious effort into upgrading Safari with nightly updates? If the Firefox crew doesnt sit up and notice that they have a bigger problem.
They wont steal many Firefox users but they might steal many of those sick of IE before they try Firefox.

The threat is not what they have now but how fast they are improving. Almost daily updates and fixes?

One example:
http://webkit.org/blog/168/gdi-text-on-windows/

Vista VS XP People rarely upgrade the OS on a laptop that is a strawman argument for XP no need for dirty tricks here do we? An extra GB of RAM and a budget video card does wonders for Vista. I would care a lot more about the Vista bloat if memory wasn't dirt cheap. 8gb is cheaper than 500MB 5 years ago. I an not recommending Vista without modern parts but most people here already have decent ones.


RE: so?
By arteekay on 3/27/2008 6:11:05 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Apple is putting a new and very serious effort into upgrading Safari with nightly updates? If the Firefox crew doesnt sit up and notice that they have a bigger problem.


You do know that Fx does hourly builds, right?


RE: so?
By teldar on 3/27/2008 6:06:23 PM , Rating: 4
Personally, I use XP as well, partially because I am a grad student and my wife is pregnant, we own a house, I'm living in another city 5 days a week renting an apartment.... The $600 for a new laptop isn't even a consideration. I don't even want to spend a couple hundred on a new desktop MB CPU and Memory at this point....

And as far as FF3B4 goes.... I endorse it whole-heartedly. It's a wonderful step forward even when compared to FF 2. If you all out there havn't tried it yet, I would recommend it.


RE: so?
By encryptkeeper on 3/28/2008 8:58:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'm still on XP, and I'm running FF beta 4 on my home machine. It's fast, it looks great, and it's as stable as far as I can see. There was a refresh issue when I first installed it where moving the mouse around the screen and right clicking would leave the previous menu on the screen, resulting in 3 or 4 right click menus on the screen at one time, but I haven't been able to duplicate it since. I installed the Opera browser, but I haven't even fired it up, FF3 is just too good.


RE: so?
By Ryanman on 3/27/2008 3:14:28 PM , Rating: 1
you excellent use of grammar shoes that you are one of the superior users that enjoy apple's company, and that you hold high importance in legal wording.

It doesn't matter if a program makes god act as a helper on your system, if it's forced into the hands of an angry mob and has bugs for a percentage of people it's not worth it.


RE: so?
By mikefarinha on 3/27/2008 3:22:46 PM , Rating: 5
What are "grammar shoes" and where can I get a pair? I'll pick you up a pair too while I'm at it.


RE: so?
By almared on 3/27/2008 3:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
lol didn't you notice that he is a PC user and he tried to prove his point


RE: so?
By therealnickdanger on 3/27/2008 3:54:16 PM , Rating: 3
get some for I too while you out


RE: so?
By Gul Westfale on 3/27/2008 4:09:32 PM , Rating: 4
The European Commission have just announced an agreement whereby
English will be the official language of the EU, rather than German, which
was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's
government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and
has accepted a five year phase in plan that would be known as "EuroEnglish".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will
make the sivil servants jump for joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour
of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less
letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like
"fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always
ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of
the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th"
with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords
kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer
kombinations of leters. After zis fifz year, ve vil hav a realy sensibl
riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it
ezi to understand each ozer

ZE DREAM VIL FINALI KUM TRU!

(i saw this in a magazine a while back, but now it is ebaum's and a couple of other sites. i haf no idea hoo ze original auzor mite be.)


RE: so?
By mikefarinha on 3/27/2008 4:22:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
get some for I too while you out


ah, very good Zoolanderese!


RE: so?
By Etsp on 3/27/2008 4:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only the patent trolls and the like really care about the wording.
This is true, if by "patent trolls" you mean lawyers.

Also, I have not bashed Apple for Safari having a few bugs, I haven't even mentioned it. I didn't even bash apple, or even target its users specifically. I bashed fanboys. There are windows fanboys, apple fanboys, linux fanboys, EA fanboys(all 3 of them), Lets not forget fanboys of a particular hardware vendor (Intel/AMD/Nvidia).

Personally, I also have not experienced these memory leaks people complain about in firefox. That certainly doesn't mean that they don't exist, but I have been fortunate enough to not experience it.


RE: so?
By blwest on 3/27/2008 9:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
I had to mark him up b/c most of the DT trolls here are idiots anyway.


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