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The GeForce 7900GTX uses the same cooling solution found on the 7800GTX 512MB
The 90nm GeForce launch is almost upon us

Earlier today some preliminary benchmarks of GeForce 7900GT and GeForce 7900GTX were leaked onto the internet pending the March 9, 2006 launch.  

System Configuration:
Athlon 64 FX-55 
1GB DDR400 (2x512MB)
nForce4 motherboard

All tests were performed with a 1280x1024 resolution.   The cards tested claimed 1.2ns DDR3 for both cards.  ForceWare 84.12 was used for testing.

GeForce 7900GTX 512MB
650mhz core clock, 1600MHz memory clock
3dmark 03: 17800
3dmark 05: 7600
3dmark 06: 5200

GeForce 7900GT 256MB
450mhz core clock, 1300MHz memory clock
3dmark 03: 13800
3dmark 05: 7000
3dmark 06: 4550

For reference, 3dmark06 on a similar system scores approximately 4700 for a GeForce 7800GTX 512MB running at stock speeds. 

We already had a fairly thorough look at GeForce 7900GT, GeForce 7900GTX, and GeForce 7600GT -- all expected to launch just a few days from now.  The Quad SLI ready GeForce 7900GTX will launch on the 22nd of March.


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too low increase?
By solgae1784 on 3/6/2006 12:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
500 points increase in 3dmark06 doesn't seem to justify the purchase of the 7900GTX, though 3dmark benchmarks rarely tells the whole picture. Plus, those scores might change at launch.

I'll wait and see if it'll be worth using my step-up program from evga to upgrade my 7800GT.




RE: too low increase?
By armagedon on 3/6/2006 12:42:01 PM , Rating: 2
"step-up program from evga" ! i'm curious, what's that ?


RE: too low increase?
By Deinonych on 3/6/2006 1:05:06 PM , Rating: 3
eVGA has a program through which you can trade in your eVGA cards for a newer one, if you're within 90 days of purchase. It's a nice program and a great incentive to purchase their products.

http://www.evga.com/stepup/default.asp


RE: too low increase?
By GoatMonkey on 3/6/2006 3:48:05 PM , Rating: 2
When they first started it it was 2 years. I pre-ordered a 4600 from them and 2 years later got a 5950 Ultra for $100. If they had just released the 6800 a couple of months sooner...



RE: too low increase?
By GoatMonkey on 3/6/2006 3:51:39 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah, and absolutely use your step-up now. They're not releasing any more cards within the next 90 days as far as I know. Might as well get it while you can. You just call them then fax your form in for approval to the number they give you. Then ship back your card. It kinda sucks to not have a video card for a week or so though.


RE: too low increase?
By nrb on 3/6/2006 12:44:52 PM , Rating: 3
I think (well, hope! :-> ) the idea this time round is not to make something dramtically much faster, but to make it CHEAPER.


RE: too low increase?
By Googer on 3/6/2006 11:58:32 PM , Rating: 2
What is the asking price for these Video Cards? How much is the MSRP?


x1900xtx killer?
By thesid on 3/6/2006 12:49:16 PM , Rating: 4
hmm 22nd march! i'll wait for a comprehensive set of benchmarks for a clear cut view. I'm sure it will out do the x1900xtx with ease.




RE: x1900xtx killer?
By nrb on 3/6/06, Rating: 0
RE: x1900xtx killer?
By HDBanger on 3/6/2006 1:03:08 PM , Rating: 2
Just ran same bench using 3d05, 1280x1024 on an amd64 4000 stock,x1900xt stock, 3dmark05 9567. :)


RE: x1900xtx killer?
By rogueagent on 3/6/2006 1:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's about what I got, but I'm running an Opteron 165 at 2300.


RE: x1900xtx killer?
By Griswold on 3/6/2006 1:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty unfounded assumption, based on what we know by now. It will probably put nvidia back on par with ati's top product, losing some here, winning some there. It will ultimately come down to price. And since ATi will slash their prices at G71 launch (the XTX will drop by $100), we all gonna be the winners, no matter which product we buy.



RE: x1900xtx killer?
By DigitalFreak on 3/6/2006 1:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
March 22 for the Quad SLI version. The regular SLI version appears to launch on Thursday with the rest.


RE: x1900xtx killer?
By Scrogneugneu on 3/6/2006 10:09:05 PM , Rating: 2
Why in the WORLD would you need 4 of those monsters when even one can do much more than fine for everything you do?


RE: x1900xtx killer?
By Questar on 3/6/2006 1:36:22 PM , Rating: 2
You buying a $1600 video card?

Yeah, right.


Benchmarks
By boinkle on 3/6/2006 6:41:07 PM , Rating: 3
Gentlemen, please stop posting benchmarks. Wait for a reputable source to give a full set on the same test platform... your random results are both pointless and frustrating.




RE: Benchmarks
By stupid on 3/6/2006 8:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

My primary concern aren't the benchmarks. I will be more than happy if the 7900GT has the same performance as the 7800GT. My main concern is operational temperature underload and power consumption. A simple die shrink should allow both. A lower price is also good too since more GPUs can be created on the same size waffer.

I'm looking at building a powerful (CPU/GPU), but very quiet PC.


RE: Benchmarks
By Questar on 3/6/2006 9:46:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm looking at building a powerful (CPU/GPU), but very quiet PC.


Then you're not going to be putting one of these in it.


RE: Benchmarks
By Scrogneugneu on 3/6/2006 10:17:32 PM , Rating: 2
Well, he can still put in 2 of these... but not getting power to them.

That could be the only way to have something powerful, but quiet.


RE: Benchmarks
By GhostInTheShell on 3/7/2006 1:24:23 AM , Rating: 1
Hmm,
My system is almost totally silent. Abit's passive heatsinks, Zalman CNPS 9500 and my arctic cooling silencer make it so. I would venture to say it is also pretty powerful.
To the guy that finds our benchmarks pointless and frustrating...not only is your superior tone insulting and superfluously ingratiating, but imho, your just jealous you can't post any bechies worth a squat.


RE: Benchmarks
By boinkle on 3/7/2006 8:27:17 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
To the guy that finds our benchmarks pointless and frustrating...not only is your superior tone insulting and superfluously ingratiating, but imho, your just jealous you can't post any bechies worth a squat.
Any article about high-end graphics is an excuse for guys to stand up and wiggle their little e-pecker around.

The fact is, no benchmark is "worth a squat" when there are other variables to be considered. Not mine, not yours. It's a condescending tone because frankly, if you consider yourself a power user (which you obviously do) you should understand this.


3dmark Scores
By GhostInTheShell on 3/6/2006 1:25:33 PM , Rating: 2
And by comparison, my 7800gt, with 500/1200 Clocks on the new drivers gets:
3dmark03: 14080
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4662918
3dmark05: 7054
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=185900...
3dmark06: 4605
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=170331
Yes those scores are correct, rmember it is at 1280x1024, not the deafults.
The GOOD: If the new cards are really priced like they are supposed to be this will make a great upgrade or new card for people.
The BAD: Not enough improvement for me to justify buying one, especially since I assume I will have to get a new card in 6 motnhs anyway for DirectX10.
The UGLY: How my face will look after my wife sees the CC bill cuz' I had to buy one anyway =)!




RE: 3dmark Scores
By crazydingo on 3/6/2006 1:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
Wow those are low scores compared to the previous generation (7800) :(


RE: 3dmark Scores
By GhostInTheShell on 3/6/2006 2:01:11 PM , Rating: 2
Guys,
Please look at the article, the scores as I said are all at 1280x1024.
Your not beating the 7900 with your 7800's lol, but yeah it is close.
My scores are a pretty accurate comparison, albeit my card is overclocked, but thats a stable clock I have been running at for 3 months.
All in all these cards are very good for the comsumer, especially since it means lower prices for the ATI cards as well. The insanity of $800 7800gtx 512's made me think the prices were going to keep going up, down rocks!


RE: 3dmark Scores
By crazydingo on 3/6/2006 3:22:00 PM , Rating: 2
"Your not beating the 7900 with your 7800's lol, [b]but yeah it is close.[/b]"

Thats the problem, 7800 owners could easily skip this.


Sorry!
By tjr508 on 3/6/2006 4:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yep it looks like more than a couple of us assumed default settings!


That GT
By Discord on 3/6/2006 2:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
I think ATI will just barely maintain it's performance crown. The real danger is that 7900GT. With all 24 pipes and, if the article is correct, it has the same RAM modules as the GTX it is going to be one heck of an overclocker. When you consider that it will be the best bang for the buck stock you definately see the value of that card.
I was so excited about the 7600 but at 12 pipes and 128b bus... I'm so disapointed. It took two years to make that hunk of junk?!. All to make it pin out compatible with somthing that is two years obsolete. I want rant some more I'm so mad.




RE: That GT
By mlittl3 on 3/6/2006 2:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with Discord. I'm tired of the last generation mainstream cards being almost the same as the current generation cards. Seems to me that a budget card should have like 8 pipelines, a mainstream should have 16 and the enthusiast should have 24 (for nvidia's cards at any rate). ATI could do the same sort of thing but with a combination of pipelines and vertex processors.

Oh well, I guess 20 years from now we will have like Alien technology video cards, but the mainstream ones will run the Alien technology at 128-bit memory and 12 pipelines.


RE: That GT
By crazydingo on 3/6/2006 3:19:53 PM , Rating: 2
7600GT and 7900GTX are both letdowns IMO.


RE: That GT
By Discord on 3/6/2006 5:07:09 PM , Rating: 2
The 7900GTX wasn't a let down for me. Any one that had inside information to the card knew it was just a die shrunk 7800GTX.
The stupid inquier got everyone's hopes up with a fictional 32 pipe card. A die shrunk 7800 that outperforms a 512 7800gtx while still maintaning power and heat envenlopes of the original is good enough for me. I mean, after all, it's not a new design or anything just a shrink to make the company more money.
I'm still pissed about the 7600 though. I knew it was going to be a 12 pipe pin compatible card to the 6600 but I had this secret hope that it had been two long years and that NVIDIA had upped the design. Damn you Jane Pauly! Why don't you just go home Jane Paully?! Uughhheww... Jane Pauly!!!


Are those 3dmark05 scores right?
By shabby on 3/6/2006 12:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
I thought that the 7800gtx scores around 7800 and the 512meg gtx around 9500.




RE: Are those 3dmark05 scores right?
By ogreslayer on 3/6/2006 12:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
Thats at 1024x768 I thought

The 500 point bump over a 7800gtx 512 is good considering they are positioning the cards to be less than ATI's by at least $50 and considering the X1900XTX is far from raping the 7800gtx 512 this is gonna be good. The 7900GT looks like a 24pipe product at those clocks if its $299.99(supposed price 399 for 7800gtx512 and 499 for 7900gtx) I think its worth every penny especially if you are into overclocking. Not sure I would recommend a 7900GTX 256 or 512 consider the 1900XT(X) should still be faster and ATI has better overall performance with AF and AA at max with high resolutions. These 90nm parts should also come with very nice factory overclocks from evga, xfx and bfg; so the scores we see here should really just be taken as a starting point


RE: Are those 3dmark05 scores right?
By Oxygenthief on 3/6/06, Rating: 0
By KCjoker on 3/6/2006 7:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't look like this series will get Nvidia the crown. ONly good news is that Nvidia didn't have nearly the trouble with the die shrink that ATI did.


ATI's response
By Wwhat on 3/6/2006 2:53:34 PM , Rating: 2
ATI is responding to the upcoming release of the 7900's by dropping the price of their cards I hear.
---------------------- old ---- new ---
X1900 XTX -------- 649 $ - 549 $
X1900 CrossFire- 599 $ - ?
X1900 XT --------- 549 $ - 479 $
X1800 XT 256 MB 399 $ - 299 - 329 $
X1800 XT 512 MB 499 $ - 329+ $
X1800 XL 256 MB 299 $ - 249 $
X1600 XT --------- 199 $ - 149 $
X1600 Pro -------- 149 $ - 109 $




RE: ATI's response
By Wwhat on 3/6/2006 2:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
source is xbitlabs.com BTW.


RE: ATI's response
By Oxygenthief on 3/6/2006 4:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
newegg now has 1900xtx and 1900xt for 499 and 449 respectively.


Who cares about 3Dmark
By Egglick on 3/6/2006 6:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
3Dmark is just a synthetic benchmark that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on how the card performs in the real world.

Let's wait and see how the cards perform in real games, can we?




RE: Who cares about 3Dmark
By KaerfSusej on 3/6/2006 7:34:45 PM , Rating: 2
Very true, Anandtech believes the same thing - http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2675... - (2nd page, 2nd paragraph from bottom, 2nd sentence). I'll bet that Egglick got his basis on 3DMark from that very sentence.


RE: Who cares about 3Dmark
By Egglick on 3/6/2006 7:57:14 PM , Rating: 2
You're right. I wasn't capable of forming an opinion until I read something that someone else wrote.


I really don't care...
By rupaniii on 3/6/2006 3:50:21 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Gig ram, 7800xt eVGA 518. Opteron 165.
I don't care if I can upgrade it to run my games at 1400x1050 (westinghouse' 20in monitor) to between 195 and 215fps... refresh rate on monitor is set to 85, I never see below that. FarCry and Doom3 are sick. Please, someone get over it. No, i'm not playing Fear, but Half Life 2 do look Purty...




RE: I really don't care...
By beemercer on 3/6/2006 5:23:44 PM , Rating: 3
liar, wtf is a 7800xt?


=)
By tjr508 on 3/6/2006 1:03:17 PM , Rating: 2
I hope these numbers don;t change!
Makes me much happier about my 7800gt scoring 17000 on 3dm03.
Thats at 495 of course but it is rock stable there.

I'm not a fanboy so I could care less if Nvidia's 7900 outperforms the x1900.

All and all if these releases can drop the EVGA 7800gt (expecially the copper ones) down to $260 or so, then this is great for the consumer!




RE: =)
By kattanna on 3/6/2006 1:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
LOL aye..the driver reclocked my 7800GT to 490Mhz core/1.12 Ghz memory and i get these scores

03 - 17172
05 - 8401
06 - 4550


that is also using a dual core opteron clocked at 2.42Ghz


Give comprehension a try!
By RobertR1 on 3/6/2006 2:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
Stop comparing your 1024x768 3dMark05 with 1280x1024 scores of the 7900GTX.




RE: Give comprehension a try!
By HDBanger on 3/6/2006 2:09:45 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I ran it at 1280x1024, just like they did.. :)


By nrb on 3/6/2006 12:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't we expect there to be a bit more of a difference between the GT and GTX scores than that? Maybe it's hideously memory-bandwidth-limited? (Come back Bitboys, all is forgiven! ;-> )




Bogus scores
By GodLovesPunk on 3/6/2006 1:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
Me thinks those scores are bogus. My single 7800GT scores higher than a 7900GTX 512mb...? Not believe'n it




I think DT's numbers are flawed
By 5150Joker on 3/6/2006 4:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
The 3DMark05 numbers seem way off, here's what I get using my X1900XTX:

CPU: AMD 64 X2 4400+@2.64 GHz
Memory: 2 x 1 GB
Card: BB ATi X1900 XTX @ default speed
Control Panel Settings: Default settings (textures/mipmap set to quality)
LOD: 0

It is important to note the CP settings because people can fudge with scores by setting mipmap and texture quality to high performance and setting LOD to 10. Here is the screenshot: http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/9799/x1900xtxjo...
3DMark05 Score @ 1280x1024: 10,841


Edit:

3DMark06 Score: 6,133

Screenshot: http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7607/x1900xtx3d...




ridiculous
By HardwareD00d on 3/7/2006 11:20:13 AM , Rating: 2
I'm so sick of shelling out $$$ for a new video card/processor/memory/whatever every six months. That's why I bought an XBOX360. $499 and no more upgrades for 2 years... I'm lovin' it!

PC gaming is getting too expensive these days. Soon they will be trying to sell us all Physics processing cards too. Then I will be forced to buy Winblows Vista for $200 so I can play Halo2. LOL LOL LOL!





blah
By Zebo on 3/6/06, Rating: 0
"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." -- Bill Gates

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