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This Opteron 2352 was manufactured in the 7th week of 2008, as denoted by the date right below the product number.  (Source: DailyTech)

B2 stepping Opterons, like the "pre-production" model that found its way to IsoHunt, carry the "GD" identifier in the SKU  (Source: IsoHunt)
AMD puts its processor lineup back on track

Hark!  The long awaited B3 stepping of AMD's Opteron and Phenom finally made its way to system integrators this week.

AMD made it virtually impossible to obtain any K10-based Opteron processors after the TLB bug caught the world's attention last December.  Desktop Phenom processors continued to ship, though the BIOS workaround for the TLB race condition severely hampered performance on some benchmarks.

The vendor who obtained the B3 sample photographed (right) couldn't be more ecstatic.  "There's been no Opterons since November.  We've even been shipping Socket F Opterons to fill AMD orders.   This is a big deal," he tells DailyTech.

"Pre-production" Opterons sent to Torrent search engine IsoHunt last February were later revealed as gray-market B2 stepped processors, which AMD tracked to October 2007 samples.

In addition to fixing the TLB race condition, AMD will finally increase the core frequency of the Opteron series on the B3 stepping.  After the initial OEM orders are filled, channel vendors like Newegg and TigerDirect will carry the new Opterons in frequencies ranging from 1.8 GHz to 2.4 GHz.  Vendor estimates put this e-tailer ship date in early April.

AMD roadmaps also indicate the Phenom and Opteron lines will reach 2.6 GHz before this Fall on the new B3 stepping.  In 2009 both lines will transition from the 65nm to the 45nm process node, codenamed Shanghai, with additional SKUs at higher clock frequencies. 

B3 Opterons can be easily identified by the "GH" as opposed to "GD" at the end of the product number. With the exception of Phenom and Opteron SE processors, AMD emphasizes to DailyTech that no vendor should be selling or distributing "GD," and customers who obtain these older B2 steppings should contact their local AMD distributor. 


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Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By lamborghini on 3/12/2008 1:42:03 PM , Rating: 2
Will AMD be able to come-back now? This remains to be seen




RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By prenox on 3/12/2008 1:45:39 PM , Rating: 5
I hope so. Intel needs the competition to help keep the CPU prices we enjoy today low. I hope that AMD also comes through on the graphics front to give Nvidia competition.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By Lonearchon on 3/12/2008 2:00:07 PM , Rating: 2
AMD will stay around. Intel need AMD so they do not become a monopoly. AMD is in a better position then they once were. Before the 1st gen athlon AMD was only consider a clone company for use in bargain bin PCs. Now they have products in mainstream lines and the major OEMs are using their products.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 3:00:28 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Before the 1st gen athlon AMD was only consider a clone company for use in bargain bin PCs.
Not considered ;) they were! IBM forced Intel to have a secondary provider of chips in the early 80's, that turned out to be AMD. They sold chips all the way until 486 i think ;). The K5/k6 was actually the first AMD chip not the Athlon. AMD and intel have a longer history than most would think, they were both there from the beginning of the x86 proccessor ;)


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By deeznuts on 3/12/2008 3:43:48 PM , Rating: 5
It is not illegal in and of itself to be a monopoly.

If you used anti-competitive tactics to get there, or if you use your dominant status unfairly, then you will be in trouble.

But to be so successful that you become one, well that's just good competition.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By josmala on 3/13/2008 5:25:03 AM , Rating: 2
But if Intel would be declared a monopoly it would hamper its abilities to grow to other markets.
For instance, they just couldn't start selling x86 processors to smart phones, since they are leveraging their monopoly on PC processors to get to other markets. As long as Intel is not a monopoly they CAN do that. Now if they are leveraging their fabs which are paid by X86 monopoly to get other chip markets...
Its illegal to use resources created by monopoly to take over other markets. And its dominant position as manufacturer of PC cpu:s is what gives it ability to spread to other markets.

Thing is if Intel wants to grow it needs to stay out of monopoly status, and it can even cost it couple of billion dollars per year and be still well worth it. The best for them would be about 80% marketshare.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By Goty on 3/12/2008 1:49:01 PM , Rating: 2
It's possible, but it's not going to happen before 2009 at the very least. AMD's 65nm process just won't allow them to scale the clockspeeds of K10 high enough to compete with Intel on the all-out performance front right now.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By AgentPromo on 3/12/2008 1:54:10 PM , Rating: 5
I really think that even if AMD does not take the crown for best performance, it does not necessarily have to. It just needs to be competitive in the rest (maybe 85% to 90%) of the market to keep some pressures on Intel.

I just built a system with a Core2Quad and a 8800GT (512mb) system, 4gb ram etc and it came out just around $800. This is the way I want it to stay. I am not in the market, nor are most people, in the market for processors that cost as much as the system I built.

As long as AMD/ATI can stay reasonably competitive at the most relevent to me price rates (the upper mid range segment) I will stay happy.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By Mitch101 on 3/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By Goty on 3/12/2008 6:23:28 PM , Rating: 2
Aren't there registry keys that can be changed to reduce the amount of specific cache levels that the OS can utilize? If so, I'd like to see what happens to multi-threaded performance on Phenom without some or all of the L3 cache.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By Calin on 3/13/2008 5:05:38 AM , Rating: 2
It will probably go to hell.
The level 3 cache adds complexity, heat, transistor count. It needs extra validation time and effort, and in the end costs money and time (each of which AMD is short of).
So, if there won't be an important performance jump from level 3 cache, AMD would not bother to use it.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By VahnTitrio on 3/12/2008 2:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
AMD has to do some in-house cleaning before they start worrying about what Intel is doing. Regardless of the perceived quality of the product Intel has done a pretty good job of meeting roadmaps and expectations. AMD on the other hand has done nothing but disappoint. Things look even worse when you do pull Intel into the picture, as by the time AMD's answer to Core 2 finally gets rolling Intel will already be readying it's successor to Core 2.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By theapparition on 3/12/2008 3:09:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
as by the time AMD's answer to Core 2 finally gets rolling Intel will already be readying it's successor to Core 2.

Intel already has it's successor and you'll be seeing previews in as little as 6 months. AMD will have to leapfrog to catch-up.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By System48 on 3/12/2008 4:01:31 PM , Rating: 2
We've already seen the first preview at the fall IDF. I'm hoping that they'll have demo systems at the spring IDF that people can actually use. The first two chips will be Bloomfield (desktop) and Gainestown (server). They're slated for Q4 '08 probably a roll out similar to what we saw with the 45nm CPU's, server first then a very high-end ($1,000+) desktop part just in time for Christmas. Both of these chips will be on the Tylersburg chipset, for the server a dual socket triple channel DDR3 mobo and essentially the same thing for an updated skulltrail platform plus a few more PCI Express 16x slots. It's doesn't seem clear if there will be a new single socket platform for Bloomfield at least at the time of launch as the Tylersburg chipset is definitely geared towards a dual socket setup. What remains to be seen is if these first chips will have a life after the Tylersburg chipset and its socket LGA1366, the mainstream parts will use LGA1160 and the 4S server will use LGA1567. The rest of the Nehalem line-up isn't due out until Q1 '09 for mainstream desktops, Q2 '09 for laptops and lastly Q4 '09 for 4S servers.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By eye smite on 3/12/2008 8:08:10 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry, how did AMD disappoint? The 5400+ brisbane core athlon X2 I bought in January to replace an older 4200+ has not disappointed me in the least. It's quite possible you suffer from perception issues on the subject of disappointment.


RE: Finally, a new hope for AMD?
By Some1ne on 3/12/08, Rating: -1
By crystal clear on 3/13/2008 3:11:58 AM , Rating: 1
No they are far behind to become a major force in reckoning.

They are a generation & half behind Intel's 45nms dual & Quads.

By the time they(AMD) have 45nm shipping (3Q 08 at the earliest & not earlier as claimed by AMD) to OEMs,Intel will have 4 fabs at full production levels (3Q 08) flooding the markets with greater profit margins & lower priced CPUs.

If this is not enough Nehalem will come in around 2H 08 slated initially on 45 nm before switching over to 32nm in around 2009.

All this is just too much for AMD to catch up given its critical financial conditions.


where?
By plonk420 on 3/12/2008 2:16:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
title: AMD Finally Ships "B3" Opterons

quote:
The long awaited B3 stepping of AMD's Opteron and Phenom finally made its way to system integrators this week.


anyone know what online shops are selling the B3 Phenom? i've been dying to get one but was waiting for B3...




RE: where?
By caqde on 3/12/2008 2:31:34 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
After the initial OEM orders are filled, channel vendors like Newegg and TigerDirect will carry the new Opterons in frequencies ranging from 1.8 GHz to 2.4 GHz. Vendor estimates put this e-tailer ship date in early April.


As it says in the post wait until April. System integrators are the ones that have them right now. Companies like Dell, HP, etc..


RE: where?
By plonk420 on 3/12/2008 3:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
so there's a slim chance (with a system seller with too many or wanting to maybe sell one slightly higher than normal eTailer prices) still..? or none at all?


RE: where?
By fic2 on 3/12/2008 3:39:04 PM , Rating: 4
Damn, dude! Can't you read the article for yourself?

quote:
The vendor who obtained the B3 sample photographed (right) couldn't be more ecstatic. "There's been no Opterons since November. We've even been shipping Socket F Opterons to fill AMD orders. This is a big deal," he tells DailyTech.


From this it is pretty obvious that there is a pretty big pent up demand for the B3s. The vendors will be using everything they can get. It's not like AMD is going to have millions of them either.


RE: where?
By TomZ on 3/12/2008 4:02:54 PM , Rating: 1
Just because they are providing units to OEMs first and retail channels second doesn't necessarily mean there is a "pretty big pent up demand." Lots of PC components are released like this, regardless of demand.

Unless you're aware of some other indiciation of such pent-up demand...


Is 45nm definitely 2009?
By Amiga500 on 3/12/2008 4:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
I have seen quite a few reports (ok, sources aren't great) indicating a H2 2008 introduction for45nm K10(.5).

I have also seen reports saying AMD are doing 2 45nm processes, gen1 being traditional SOI, and gen2 incorporating high-k gates.

Any chance you guys rattling a few trees to see what falls out on that one? Thanks :-)




RE: Is 45nm definitely 2009?
By Mitch101 on 3/12/2008 5:04:40 PM , Rating: 3
AMD SOI 45nm = So far 20% speed improvement and expected sometime around October/November 2008

AMD high-k gates = Possible big speed improvements no way to speculate at this time. Not expected in 2008. From what I hear this is not going so well for AMD but if IBM has a hand then maybe X-mas comes early for AMD.

2009/2010 All bets are off.
1-IBM is giving away the 32nm process secrets to level the playing field in manufacturing.
2-BullDozer - Will make or break AMD.

I think in 2008 AMD will save face but in 2009/2010 we might see AMD show its teeth again.


RE: Is 45nm definitely 2009?
By Smooth2o on 3/12/2008 5:37:15 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
AMD SOI 45nm = So far 20% speed improvement and expected sometime around October/November 2008


AMD needs 45nm just to stay alive. A 20% speed improvement won't match what Intel has today.

quote:
AMD high-k gates = Possible big speed improvements no way to speculate at this time. Not expected in 2008. From what I hear this is not going so well for AMD but if IBM has a hand then maybe X-mas comes early for AMD.


Nah. Won't happen until 2009 late.

quote:
IBM is giving away the 32nm process secrets to level the playing field in manufacturing.


IBM never gave ANYTHING away. Don't assume the IBM process is anything like the AMD process. Both companies have different goals/needs.

quote:
BullDozer - Will make or break AMD.


Nehelem was just pulled in to Q3. That should take care of Bulldozer which is due in 2010. In 2010 Intel will produce Sandy Bridge on 32nm.

AMD should survive all of this in certain niches. Those niches will be serviced by the 2012 NY fab. By that time the market will have grown immensely as a result of Intel's new SOC parts that AMD may be able to participate in given that they will have given up the high end of the market.


RE: Is 45nm definitely 2009?
By ajfink on 3/12/2008 9:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be surprised to see high-k 45nm before 2H09. That seems sort of late to me, actually.

Anyway, AMD and IBM do almost all their process development together, so no one would be giving it to either, they both have rights to it.


What about the defective core issue?
By Belard on 3/12/2008 7:41:14 PM , Rating: 3
I remember reading an interesting thread (I cant find it). An owner of an AMD BLACK EDITION Phenom found that overclocking the CPU was horrible, like everyone else. While people are able to OC their Intel C2D to almost 3Ghz and well over 4Ghz with the latest 45nm CPUs, the new AMD flagship would fail at a few hundred mhz. The delayed 9700 is one of the proof of the problem.

But when he under-clocked specifically core #2 (0~3), he was able to get pretty good overclocking results to 2.6+ Ghz with the others.

Having B3 out is good, but the CPU design is a bit flawed... sometimes SLOWER than AMD's dual core CPUs which have a higher clock rate - but clock for clock, it is a faster CPU than the older AMD X2 CPUs.

But the TOP end quad AMD (2.4Ghz) thats coming out soon is still slower than intel's q6600 bottom end quad core. And Pricing is a problem. Q6600 going for $255, while AMD's slower 2.3Ghz is about $220. Overclocking abilities of the Q6600 are excellent... scratch that for the Phenom.

AMD needs to compete at least.... but at least they are nowhere near as BAD as the P4 vs AMD32 or AMD64. But intel's marketing allowed them to sell a hot underperforming CPU for years. If AMD was selling more CPUs back WHEN they were faster, their R&D budget would have been better. Look up some charts... the P4 was a constant joke compared to AMD64. When a $300 AMD chip was still faster than a $1000 Pentium Extreme, it was sad for both the buyer of the chip and for AMD, losing a sale to an inferior product that costs 3 times the price.

We all need AMD to be in the game.




By Etsp on 3/13/2008 8:50:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
While people are able to OC their Intel C2D to almost 3Ghz and well over 4Ghz with the latest 45nm CPUs
My E6750 is running fine at 3.5ghz with air cooling (Tuniq Tower)
If you meant with stock cooling, then that would make more sense to me...


Lame
By FingerMeElmo87 on 3/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Lame
By WayneG on 3/12/2008 1:44:24 PM , Rating: 1
Although you're post lacks any sort of basis or even any intelligible information I'm afraid I have to agree with you :cringe:.

The technology behind Phenom is really incredible and makes the C2D/Qs look outdated and antiqueted, the problem is that whilst Intel has gone for the brute force approach (as it were, it is obviously a lot more complicated than that) and AMD has gone for the ballarina approach everyone has been out making software where the brute force approach rules. What we need is for AMD to start following Intel conventions or make it so that software developers actually use their technology, this actually applies to AMD graphics devision (aka ATi) as well.

One can only hope that AMDs Shanghai CPU family will achieve higher clock speeds and with it increased performance.
Still waiting on some mobile upgrades/news from AMD... I refuse to buy a C2D laptop...


RE: Lame
By BSMonitor on 3/12/2008 1:54:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The technology behind Phenom is really incredible and makes the C2D/Qs look outdated


quote:
the brute force approach


quote:
gone for the ballarina approach


quote:
What we need is for AMD to start following Intel conventions


quote:
Although you're post lacks any sort of basis or even any intelligible information


Yeah, your post was loaded with intelligible information.


RE: Lame
By vignyan on 3/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Lame
By System48 on 3/12/2008 4:22:04 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The technology behind Phenom is really incredible and makes the C2D/Qs look outdated


I think he means incredibly slow and outdated as in these new Phenom's are like new Prescotts only this time they're from AMD.


quote:
the brute force approach


Brute force = faster? (not sure, no wait now i get, they're like prescott, faster as in GHz only this time they actually are faster)


quote:
gone for the ballarina approach


It's going to die slow and graceful, just like a ballerina?


quote:
What we need is for AMD to start following Intel conventions


Forget everything I just sad about Intel having crap, AMD needs to copy them exactly.


quote:
Although you're post lacks any sort of basis or even any intelligible information


I can only make sense of nonsense.


RE: Lame
By zsdersw on 3/12/2008 2:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The technology behind Phenom is really incredible and makes the C2D/Qs look outdated and antiqueted


What exactly are you referring to? 4 cores on one piece of silicon? That's hardly "incredible", nor does it make C2D/C2Q look "outdated and antiquated".

Knowing what you can execute well (MCM quad-core) instead of gambling on what you're not sure of at the moment (monolithic quad-core) is never "outdated and antiquated".

.. unless by "incredible" you mean "incredible failure" or "incredible blunder".


RE: Lame
By Goty on 3/12/2008 1:45:37 PM , Rating: 1
It's also too bad that you're not literate enough to make an intelligent comment.


RE: Lame
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 3:15:52 PM , Rating: 1
Why go through the trouble of calling someone illiterate if you can not use it in a sentence correctly?


RE: Lame
By Goty on 3/12/2008 4:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
Literate in the sense that he cannot spell or use proper grammar. That sounds fairly correct to me.


RE: Lame
By WayneG on 3/13/2008 1:57:45 PM , Rating: 2
Looked through my post and it follows correct grammar and speech conventions, especially when contrasted with similar posts on this very page.....
No comment :D


RE: Lame
By FingerMeElmo87 on 3/12/2008 3:58:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's also too bad that you're not literate enough to make an intelligent comment.


what more do i need to say to sound intelligent? the only good thing about the product is that its cheap. an even cheaper e6550 would smack this process in almost every app, uses less power, and it can be overclock through the roof. sure its a native quadcore design unlike the Q-series but that doesnt take away from the fact that it still sucks.

also, i think its pretty obvious that i am literate, judging from the fact that i can read and write moron


RE: Lame
By prenox on 3/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Lame
By abzillah on 3/12/08, Rating: -1
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