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The previous model Everex gPC, no longer in stores due to "poor sales."

The second-generation gPC2 - available online only, and selling quite well there.
The Everex gPC2 and Cloudbook will only be avaiable online, due to lackluster brick-and-mortar sales

While consumer-oriented Linux has been on a rise of late due to healthy sales of the ASUS Eee PC, and Dell which offers a range of notebooks and desktops preloaded with Ubuntu on their website, the store shelves don't quite seem ready for the March of the Penguins to reach their desktops.

Wal-Mart, the sole brick-and-mortar retailer of Everex's $199 gPC, has effectively pulled the Linux-based machine off its store shelves, citing a lack of demand. Oddly enough, the in-store supplies of the gPC were sold out across the approximately 600 stores that received shipments -- but Wal-Mart spokesperson Melissa O'Brien stated that "This really wasn't what our customers were looking for."

Online buyers didn't appear to share these feelings, and the Wal-Mart.com site is now offering the second-generation gPC2 for sale, in addition to Everex's CloudBook, an ultraportable Linux laptop aiming to cut into the Eee PC's market.

With competition in the low-budget PC market heating up in 2008, the lack of licensing fees could mean that Linux will be found on many more desktops and laptops -- but if the sales of the gPC are any indication, it may still be some time before it gains a serious foothold in the mainstream retail market.

According to Net Applications, Linux held on to only 0.67% market share in January 2008. This figure pales in comparison to OS X which commanded 7.57% of the market and Windows which continues to outshine all with 91.46% of the OS market.



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Linux is not a consumer OS
By Spivonious on 3/12/2008 1:38:11 PM , Rating: 5
No matter which distro is installed, Linux will never be a consumer OS. Why? It doesn't run any of the programs you can buy in the store. Before the Linux crowd comes in and says you can download everything you need, the average consumer doesn't know that. They say "I need MS Office" not "I need a word processor and spreadsheet app." Their grandparent buys the latest Hannah Montana game but whoops, it won't install on the new gPC.

The only place Linux could work is a stripped-down ultra-mobile machine ala EeePC, where the basic functions are already installed and there is no need for anything else.




RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Chris Peredun on 3/12/2008 1:43:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
No matter which distro is installed, Linux will never be a consumer OS. Why? It doesn't run any of the programs you can buy in the store.


And there will never be any programs that you can buy in the store for Linux, because it will never be a popular consumer OS.

Anyone for a vicious circle?


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By tastyratz on 3/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By kattanna on 3/12/2008 2:02:26 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
If MS were to disappear off the face of the earth today most likely we would see


80%+ of the people will still be using XP 10 years from now.

there.. that is more correct. The biggest problem with either linux or OSX is that they do not run most of the software made in this world.

a perfect example is this.. who brags about their LEET linux/OSX gaming rig?


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By drzoo2 on 3/12/2008 3:38:41 PM , Rating: 2
To say that an operating system doesn't run most of the software out there is not the fault of the OS. It's the fault of the software vendors for not providing support. You should see what impact not running antivirus, spyware, bloatware programs have on UT2004. Which by the way has a native Linux port. If every game developer would provide support I would blow away my XP partition in a second....not like M$ is going to allow that.

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RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By TomZ on 3/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Omega215D on 3/12/2008 8:33:57 PM , Rating: 2
After running a Mac OSX Leopard machine I tried installing stuff that can be installed on both Mac and Windows and they won't install because they require Classic Environment. I couldn't run stuff like Guitar Method Intermediate and some software that came with my text books. When I installed Vista I had no problem installing the very same programs and they run as well as they did in XP and 98 SE.

Just food for thought.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By tastyratz on 3/12/2008 5:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
Just like we had a lot of people using 98 for awhile.
I'm sure they would still have a bunch of old licenses kicking around but new machines would have to be sold with something.
My point was that ms currently dominates the market but even if they didn't Linux would not just take over and dominate. The worse the microsoft product is made linux gets a larger share but its still dwarfed by the alternatives. If there was no choice people would buy new machines with osx before they went with a *nix install.

Note when I said osx would gain more market than ms I meant to say vs Linux.
I prefer Linux myself but its a far cry away from mentally incompetent compatibility


By murphyslabrat on 3/12/2008 5:41:54 PM , Rating: 2
Omigosh, I was doing some research into it, and guess what? There are a handfull of mods for Windows 98 SE that turn it into a livable platform (not good, but definitely livable).
http://www.msfn.org/board/Installation-Guide-Win98...


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By mindless1 on 3/12/2008 10:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
You might be right in the very short term but in the longer term that isn't a safe assumption to make.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By bearxor on 3/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By mcmilljb on 3/12/2008 2:24:10 PM , Rating: 1
They still need a 2 button mouse on everything. It's kind of silly to people just want to change how they do everything just to switch from a PC to Mac. I think it's cool how Apple wants to improve how you do things, but not everyone will want the change or appreciate it.

2 button >> 1 button
Some people might actually want a mouse with more than 2 buttons.


By murphyslabrat on 3/12/2008 5:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
It's like the people who pay a monthly fee to play games on Linux (via Cedega).

Wine-doors is not nearly complete, but it not only looks quite promising but is also quite free.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 2:24:50 PM , Rating: 3
He is an idiot, but ergonomically speaking, a one button mouse does not really make sense. They are only doing to to distinguish themselves from PC, nothing more. You can give really any argument you want, but two buttons two fingers will always be easier on your brain and fingers.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Omega215D on 3/12/2008 8:38:48 PM , Rating: 1
I find the two finger tap for right click on my MacBook quite good to use. Instead of reaching for the second button on a laptop I just tap two fingers and swipe down with two fingers should I want to scroll.

Now in saying that I still keep a Logitech V400 around should I want to use a mouse that works well with both OSX and Vista (which one mouse button or two finger tap doesn't work) since it contains both physical right and left clicks.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By TomZ on 3/12/2008 2:43:23 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Anything you can do with a two button mouse you can do with a one button mouse in OS X.

True, but it's about efficiency. Right-click context menus, a mainstay of GUI design, are very useful and helpful. Sure, you could select an item by clicking it and then navigating to and clicking again to open a menu, but the single right-click is much nicer.

Besides, what's the harm done in having two buttons? There's no disadvantage, except for a few pennies of cost.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By darkpaw on 3/12/2008 3:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, I hate any mouse with less then the primary 5 buttons. Sure you can perform any of those features using other methods, but it really is easier, faster, and much easier to have separate buttons.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 5:26:32 PM , Rating: 2
There is still a learning curve compared to a two button mouse. Two buttons Two fingers, no extra thinking or moving required.


By murphyslabrat on 3/12/2008 5:52:58 PM , Rating: 2
But the buttons don't have to be used:

1. For learning, you have the two huge buttons.

2. For the mildly adventurous, or the aclimated; there is a wheel in the middle of the mouse, and the wheel can be used to do some specific tasks.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Oregonian2 on 3/12/2008 8:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I've a five button mouse (uSoft) at home and like it a lot. I've a three-button one at work and it's okay but "makes more work". Two might be manageable, but one, forget it.

P.S.- Scroll wheel is mandatory too, even in the barely acceptable 2-button case. For me anyway.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Rike on 3/12/2008 3:31:50 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I for one dont like using 1 mouse button

Then don't. I'm using a 5 button MS mouse on the Mac I'm posting this from. It works very well.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By rcc on 3/12/2008 5:46:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I for one dont like using 1 mouse button


Funny, but a bit like saying the the PC will never have more that 640kB of RAM.

You've been able to get a multibutton mouse for a Mac for over 20 years.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/12/2008 1:53:41 PM , Rating: 4
Yea, it sucks, but quite frankly If you want to break into a market dominated by your competitor, you better have a good plan to steal their customers and make switching easy. If they would put WINE on all the Linux distros for emulating a windows API environment for windows programs and it actually works in 90% or more cases, then they might have a chance. As it stands your forced to use "alternatives" because the real deal doesn't work on Linux. People don't want to use tons of alternatives (or in many cases stuff for kids, programs, games, etc... there are no alternatives).

It's a chicken and egg scenario. Linux is a solution looking for a problem on the desktop home user market.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 2:48:42 PM , Rating: 2
Not that this is an alternative for most users, but i have given up on using wine to access windows programs. RDP (remote desktop) seems to be a great solution, it even supports sound when connecting to winxp/server2k3. As long as you are running over a network it works great.

Whats even better is a new feature in RDP that allows you to call just a window or program to the screen, making it appear as though it is actually on your desktop. As i find openoffice terrible for anymore than typing up a letter, I merely click the Word shortcut on my screen and there comes Word 2007 in full color, and I can barely tell its not being locally run. I know this doesn't work for games, but its a great solution to access many windows apps.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/12/2008 3:13:09 PM , Rating: 2
No doubt. I can't stand open office. I used Office 2003 by the time Open Office made it to 2.0 and shortly after moved to Office 2007. I don't know how you could put up with Open Office for daily use, It's like looking at Office 97 (strip down) when the guy next to you is on Office 2007. But hey what do you expect from a free product? =/


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By murphyslabrat on 3/12/2008 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, geek that I am, I like the Open Office interface. It is simple and unobtrusive, and offers the same functionality as a program that costs infinitely more.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/12/2008 6:36:10 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It is simple and unobtrusive, and offers the same functionality as a program that costs infinitely more.

No, far from it infact. It offers the same "very basic" functionality. If you want to get into advanced features, or really getting your mileage out of it, Open Office isn't even a competitor.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By robinthakur on 3/13/2008 7:14:05 AM , Rating: 2
That sounds amazing! And its free!! Does it offer full SharePoint integration like Office 2007? If so I might just dump my Office 2007 which is just the most awful program imaginable and certainly offers no perceptable benefits over this free and fully functional software...none whatsoever </sarcasm>


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By kmmatney on 3/13/2008 12:53:25 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly how I have felt about openoffice so far - it's stuck at the office97 level. It's great when you want office-like functionality on a spare computer, though.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By FITCamaro on 3/12/2008 1:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
If there was just one linux, it might have a chance. As long as it remains a highly disjointed product with everyone and their mother having their own distro, it will remain a niche OS outside of the server space.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 2:01:17 PM , Rating: 3
Linux dug itself into a hole from the day it was released. Don't get me wrong, I love nix and i run it on all my computers except for me MCE machine. But an OS can not flurish based on open source software. There is no money to be made in linux software development, you have to give it away for free, or at least have a fully functional free version. While this may appeal to some, it will never appeal to the big software devs out there. Windows is a proven business OS, regardless of its downfalls, it will remain the top dog unless the Linux GPL changes (which it won't).


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By prenox on 3/12/2008 1:52:45 PM , Rating: 3
Lets face it the average Walmart shopper isn't exactly tech savvy enough to run Linux either.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/12/2008 1:58:22 PM , Rating: 3
Neither is your average Best Buy or Circuit City shopper...


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By omnicronx on 3/12/2008 2:29:09 PM , Rating: 2
Does the average Walmart shopper know what an OS is?
Shopper: Can I get on the internet? yes.. Can I type up documents.. yes.. can I play music? .. yes.. It only costs 200$! put it in my cart!

The average walmart shopper is cheap, thats all i know ;)
Although this being an online item will severely limit its sales.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By mmntech on 3/12/2008 3:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
Really? I guarantee the fact that it didn't include Windows was a major factor. Like the other posters said, they want to be able to run Office et al and this computer can't. Windows has phenomenal brand loyalty. Just look at every Vista debate on here. Or take the Eee PC now including XP. For your average computer owner, there are no viable alternatives to Windows. That's why they use it and curse it. I caution about brining Apple into this though since they aren't targeting the same market as these ultra low-cost systems running Linux or Windows.

Given that, Linux really isn't a viable alternative yet. I wasn't really impressed with gOS because it had a very limited feel. It has trouble striking ease of use with functionality. OS X has shown that a UNIX based OS can work but until Linux can reach that level and supports commercial software, it's just not going to take off.


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By kattanna on 3/12/2008 1:57:04 PM , Rating: 4
you mean to say that grandma or grandpa most likely wouldn't find it a "fun time" to recompile their OS to install the latest kernal patch?

im *SHOCKED* that anyone would NOT find that "fun"

;>)


RE: Linux is not a consumer OS
By FITCamaro on 3/12/2008 2:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
Look a Jewish smiley face with a big nose.

I kid, I kid.


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