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Microsoft Wireless Laser Desktop 7000  (Source: Microsoft)
Microsoft announces Wireless Laser Desktop 7000 with see through accents to mimic the Aero interface

Microsoft announced the Wireless Laser Desktop 7000 today with a design Microsoft says is intended to complement the Windows Vista Aero interface. The desktop set includes a new ultrathin comfort Curve keyboard and a rechargeable mouse.

The hallmark of the keyboard is a translucent Aero-inspired design along with floating hot keys and one touch instant access to Windows Flip 3D. The comfort curve keyboard has a smoked translucent border to mimic the look and feel of the translucent Aero borders on screens.

Other keyboard features include what Microsoft calls floating My Favorite Keys that allow users to simply press and hold one of the hot keys, like setting favorites on a car stereo, to bind websites to the keys.

Carla Foster, group marketing manager at Microsoft said in a statement, “This keyboard is a perfect example of Microsoft's focus on connecting its hardware with Windows Vista, bringing the elegance of Windows Aero to the keyboard. The Wireless Laser Desktop 7000 truly brings the best of both worlds together -- a beautiful design and a full suite of productivity features -- making it the best option for customers desiring a sophisticated accessory for their computer."

The keyboard included with the Wireless Laser Desktop 7000 uses Microsoft’s familiar Comfort Curve design with six degrees of curve. The mouse included with the desktop is the Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 7000. The mouse is rechargeable and includes a horizontal charging station. LEDs on the mouse tell users when the mouse needs to be charged. The desktop uses 2.4GHz wireless technology for connectivity. Wide availability for the Wireless Laser Desktop 7000 will begin in April at $129.95.



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The MS PC
By CU on 3/11/2008 3:58:37 PM , Rating: 3
I think MS should design a case and contract Dell or someone to pick the internals and build it and sale it as a MS PC. They could compete against Apple more in the looks/style department that way.

Beside MS's hardware has always been good in my opinion.




RE: The MS PC
By joemoedee on 3/11/2008 4:19:53 PM , Rating: 3
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I think MS should design a case and contract Dell or someone to pick the internals and build it and sale it as a MS PC.


This is highly doubtful. MS makes tons of money selling Windows to OEMs. (It's the most profitable software well, ever)

To compete with their cash cow (OEM software sales) would be very dumb, and would involve unnecessary expense on their part for less profit margin. (Profit margins in hardware are minuscule in comparison to software)

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Beside MS's hardware has always been good in my opinion.


Can I introduce you to the Xbox 360? ;p


RE: The MS PC
By CU on 3/11/2008 4:38:45 PM , Rating: 2
You don't have to compete with your cash cow. Just get Dell or someone to sell it. MS would only design the case and maybe the monitor, so that everything would match. It would be an MS line like Dell has the XPS line. What is the point of making an Aero keyboard and mice if the rest of the system doesn't match it. It would be a good to have something to link MS with style.

Yeah the first 360's had some problems, but that is all fixed now isn't it. Beside everyone can make a mistake.


RE: The MS PC
By TomZ on 3/11/2008 5:49:27 PM , Rating: 2
Just because a business "can" invest in a particular product, it doesn't mean they "should." Any company has limited investment opportunities, and the trick is to find the opportunities that bring the greatest financial return for a given amount of investment. And I don't think that selling PC's would bring them higher returns compared with other things they are doing, e.g., developing software.


RE: The MS PC
By Anonymous Freak on 3/11/2008 10:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
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You don't have to compete with your cash cow. Just get Dell or someone to sell it. MS would only design the case and maybe the monitor, so that everything would match.


Uh, that's all Dell does. You do realize that Dell doesn't actually own any manufacturing factories any more, don't you? ("Integration" plants, yes. But the physical parts aren't made by Dell any more than the MacBook Pro is manufactured by Apple.) They could do a co-branded one, like they do with the (Product)RED Dells, but if they were going to go whole-hog and brand it Microsoft, they might as well just go with the same manufacturing OEMs every other white-box maker uses, rather than adding yet another middle-man.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: The MS PC
By tastyratz on 3/11/2008 7:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
I personally hate apple's starbucks froofy vanity getting in the way of function. They get a big dollar for all their stuff but its not all snake oil for the specs.
For example, a lot of mac desktops had scsi cheetah hard drives in them. They tend to put a lot of server class hardware inside those pretty little boxes. The profit margin is pretty damn wide just not as wide as you think when you consider the true cost for the quality parts inside.
Again I am pretty anti mac in many ways but I give them credit for reliable sturdy parts in their hardware department - even if they only have 1 button :-p


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: The MS PC
By rudy on 3/11/2008 8:00:34 PM , Rating: 2
You are only talking about the last generation of max what about before that, the cheapo plastic was all over them and they were just as gaudy as any PC out there. People love macs because thats what they learned on, the same reason people love windows. Very few people ever make a real hard decision knowing both platforms well.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: The MS PC
By onwisconsin on 3/11/2008 8:34:39 PM , Rating: 2
Clearly there a ton of Macs in the workplace (outside of graphic design), schools and servers.

(obvious sarcasm)


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: The MS PC
By oab on 3/11/2008 9:08:33 PM , Rating: 2
You insensitive clod, I drive my koenigsegg to work every day!


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: The MS PC
By steve1014 on 3/11/2008 9:15:20 PM , Rating: 3
To compare a Mac to the level of a Bugatti Veyron shows your lack of intelligence and general knowledge...just because they are both ridiculously expensive doesn't necessarily make them synonymous...The Bugatti has reached a level of car building that is unattainable by other manufacturers, the Mac is just another computer

Macs are taking off right now because of a massive marketing campaign that misrepresents tons of facts about the products they push...Let's also not misrepresent the fact that Apple preys on the ignorance of their consumers to swindle them out of lots of money ($400 for 4GB of RAM in a MacBook Pro).

Lets be clear about one thing, the PC has NEVER been forced to adapt to operate OS-X or leopard...Mac had to go to Intel so they could run windows because they were about to fall off the planet

I'M SO TIRED OF THE SUPERIORITY COMPLEX BEING HELD BY MAC USERS. YOU ARE STILL THE UNDISPUTED LOSER IN THE SALES WAR.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: The MS PC
By steve1014 on 3/12/2008 12:56:07 PM , Rating: 1
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You can't show a 17" notebook that has the same features and quality as MacBook Pro 17" and is as light and thin as this MacBook Pro.

a 17" MacBook Pro is $2799 in base price alone. I dont know where you do your shopping but you can buy a Windows based PC that can do everything and more for that kind of money. Probably even have a Blu-Ray player. I'll take the extra 1-2 lbs. of weight. (even though a 17" HP is only 0.9lbs heavier)

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the whole ideology of Apple is what matters. I mean the unity between their software and hardware, and insane attention they pay to little details, like those backlit keyboards, magsafe connectors, large convenient multitouch trackpad, etc etc.

The whole ideology of what? gadgets? How important is that multi-touch trackpad to you, honestly? Because those of us who needed them have had them for years and you didn't have to buy a $3000 machine to have it. Unity of software and hardware? You can't be seriuos! Go read an article about the unity of software and hardware pertaining to the MacBook Air (which is actually a piece of trash compared to the Lenovo X300).

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Yes, and Aston Martins are the permanent losers in the sales war as well. The chevys/ladas/corollas of the world won a long time ago.
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Don't sound so ignorant. Aston Martins are actually made in a limited quantity so they will always lose that war, you are right about that. Macs on the other side are mass produced and still filling plenty of shelves.

You can argue all you want about Mac being the savior of the computer universe but really they're just another gadget company which is surviving right now mostly on purchases being made by college-age students spending their parents money.

The problem is the superiority complex that Apple has fed its users. I'm not saying there is no good use for a Mac but it will NEVER be able to survive in the business world and when it all comes down to it you can have all the backlit keyboards and magsafe connections you want but if you can't adapt to the corporate market you will have no success. Just accept your place in the world, editing media and .... (I don't know what else they are actually good at)


RE: The MS PC
By Rob Pintwala on 3/12/2008 2:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
Why did he get modded down? He was being justly critical of Apple. A highly proprietary hardware and software package will never dominate the market..


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 3:14:05 PM , Rating: 2
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A highly proprietary hardware and software package will never dominate the market
Highly proprietary software packages called Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office dominate market for many years already. Highly proprietary hardware and software package called Sony Playstation 2 dominated console market as well, a couple of years ago. So what? I didn't get your point, what were you trying to say?


RE: The MS PC
By steve1014 on 3/12/2008 3:58:46 PM , Rating: 2
Office is not and has not been propietory since about 1999. It's been licensed and adapted for the Mac platform for years. Windows was not proprietory because you could put it on just about any machine you wanted except for a Mac.

learn the definition of words before you dispute their usage.

for ex: iPods and iPhones have a proprietory relationship with iTunes, they won't work with other software...get it?


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 4:33:52 PM , Rating: 1
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Office is not and has not been propietory since about 1999. It's been licensed and adapted for the Mac platform for years. Windows was not proprietory because you could put it on just about any machine you wanted except for a Mac.
Proprietary means owned by one company and closed, and noone knows about its internals because the source code is closed. This is about Windows and Office and Internet explorer and almost all the other MS software in general.

Apple Mac OS X kernel (Darwin) whose source code is open for anyone is totally different thing. Apple Safari HTML rendering engine (WebKit) that has source code also open is a different thing. Pretty far from closed source Windows and Internet Explorer. So Apple's stuff is much less proprietary than MS stuff. You can even hack Mac OS X pretty easily or even just download hacked image from torrents, and Apple doesn't care about those OSX86 wikis, they are okay with people using their OS as long as Mac sales are growing constantly, which is the case for recent several years. From my point of view, as a tech literate person, Mac OS X is as open as Windows hardware-wise, I can run it on my home self-assembled PC any moment I want, but it has open source kernel and other important components like WebKit are also open source.
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iPods and iPhones have a proprietory relationship with iTunes, they won't work with other software. Get it?
Microsoft Zunes have a proprietary relationship with Zune Marketplace, get it? And unlike MS Zune I can make my iPod easily work with another software, instead of iTunes I can use YamiPod for example, get it?


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 3:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
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I'll take the extra 1-2 lbs. of weight
See, you can't show the 17" notebook that's as thin and light as Apple's. Just like I predicted :-) Sure, there are cheaper/thicker/heavier 17" Wintel PC notebooks, I agree ;-) Just like there are cheaper/heavier/uglier/less performance oriented/less comfortable cars compared to Aston Martin or Lexus.

The problem is this: you can't show the notebook that's as good as Apple's. I heard this "I can take XXX pounds of extra weight and YYY inches of extra thickness, who cares" Wintel fanboy bullsh1t MANY times before. But I've yet to hear one, JUST ONE voice, that tells me "here you go, a notebook that can compete with Apple's 17 inch one"

I'm still waiting :-) I couldn't find one so far, but I haven't lost the faith in humanity, I know there are engineers not much worse than Apple's, so we'll probably see same cool designs as this MBP 17" in future... maybe
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Because those of us who needed them have had them for years
You can't demonstrate a LARGE comfortable multitouch touchpad in a Wintel PC notebook, that existed for YEARS, for the price less than $3000. The same situation as with MBP 17" - you can only bark but, unfortunately, you can't bite.

Like I said - I'm still waiting for a bite, you Wintel fanboys still have your chance. You can't show me decent competitor to MBP 17", but maybe you can find a LARGE multitouch touchpad in a Wintel PC notebook that existed several years ago for less than $3000.

And by the way, all Wintel fanatics like steve1014 here are not very familiar with facts (faith in Wintel PC does not require any facts to support, it's _faith_ after all) and so they don't know that MacBook with multitouch touchpad can be bought right now for $1800. Still expensive, as all the innovative stuff, but quite far from steve1014's fanatical lies about $3000.
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Aston Martins are actually made in a limited quantity so they will always lose that war, you are right about that. Macs on the other side are mass produced and still filling plenty of shelves
Compared with gazillions of cheapo PCs you see everywhere Macs right now are as rare as expensive cars. Less so in the certain big US cities, especially the most rich and tech oriented like San Francisco where Apple is not exotic computer really, but for the rest of the world Macs are close to Lexus or something similar - many people salivate all over them but just can't afford 'em. Same as with Blu Ray players, 42" LCD Bravia TVs, any other nice cars, etc etc. Nothing is required to assmble a cheapo $300 PC for yourself, just buy some parts, and here you go. Same with cars - just go and buy a used Chevy for a grand, it'll run for some time, if you know how to buy those. Buth with Mac or Lexus - you know what's the difference. I know you know, 'cause it's very noticeable - all Wintel fanatics are very envious, probably because they're poor or something. In rare cases they are gaming freaks of a special kind that waste money on GPUs specifically, and in pathological cases these are benchmark guys who spend money on CPU cooling and such.

There is a place for such people of course, but I doubt most of them are serious. I mean they don't use overclocked machines in production environment, they are just hobbysts. Hobbysts are allowed to be fanatical, I agree. Are you a hobbyst? If you are fanatical about overclocked CPUs or FPS in Crysis - just say so, that'll make things very clear.
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they're just another gadget company which is surviving right now mostly on purchases being made by college-age students spending their parents money
Yeah, same can be said about exotic sports cars, so what? Do you have anything against rich people spending their money on quality stuff that you can't afford? Just say so, make things clear, man!
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I'm not saying there is no good use for a Mac but it will NEVER be able to survive in the business world and when it all comes down to it you can have all the backlit keyboards and magsafe connections you want but if you can't adapt to the corporate market you will have no success. Just accept your place in the world
This is exactly the words IBM execs were saying about those puny little personal computers a long time ago. Who the heck will ever need that damn tiny piece of junk when we have those LARGE MAINFRAMES which ALL THE ENTERPRISE WORLD DEPENDS ON? You Wintel fanatics are funny people, as any other kinds of fanatics actually - you NEVER know history. This is why your babble is very easy to predict.


RE: The MS PC
By steve1014 on 3/12/2008 3:31:18 PM , Rating: 2
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The problem is this: you can't show the notebook that's as good as Apple's. I heard this "I can take XXX pounds of extra weight and YYY inches of extra thickness, who cares" Wintel fanboy bullsh1t MANY times before. But I've yet to hear one, JUST ONE voice, that tells me "here you go, a notebook that can compete with Apple's 17 inch one"

I'm sorry but this is the real world where you must sacrifice something for everything. I'd rather have a .9 lb heavier and thicker laptop then I would like to give someone $1000 extra. Especially seeing as my laptop is carried typically for about 5-10 minutes out of my day. If you're so concerned with size why are you buying a 7 lb. (6.8lb technically) 17" laptop? Don't argue just to argue make a point and stick to it. Either you want a large laptop or you don't but to argue that .9 lbs is a serious difference is just childish.

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You can't demonstrate a LARGE comfortable multitouch touchpad in a Wintel PC notebook, that existed for YEARS, for the price less than $3000. The same situation as with MBP 17" - you can only bark but, unfortunately, you can't bite.

People who use multi-touch trackpads for REAL purposes and not your stupid Mac "look what I can do" reasons buy external ones because anyone that could fit on a laptop is not adequate for those needs..I've worked the past 10 years with graphic artists, architects, and various other PROFESSIONALS who use these things EVERY DAY. That's my point; if you didn't have one before I'll pretty much guarantee that you wont be using it much now. Its a great feature for an iPhone but what exactly do you have to zoom in on, on a 17" notebook screen. Nothing that was so important that apparantly you did not need it until right this moment.

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MacBook with multitouch touchpad can be bought right now for $1800. Still expensive, as all the innovative stuff, but quite far from steve1014's fanatical lies about $3000.

Where? Because the only Mac you've talked about is the 17" MBP. You find me a brand new one for $1700 and I'll buy 4. I just so we're clear the 15" starts at $1999. and the MacBooks are made out of that "cheapo" plastic trash that you like to refer to everything else as.

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all Wintel fanatics are very envious, probably because they're poor or something.

I don't think you could be a bigger d---hebag. Try to get off your high horse and relize that people don't dislike Macs because they're expensive. We dislike them because they are OVER-PRICED(there's a difference between over-priced and expensive). Over-priced means for what you get its not worth the money, expensive just means it costs a lot.(ex: a $5-250MB Full-size HDD is over-priced but not expensive, get it??)

You are touting the glories of a machine that is FORCED to run Windows based programs and accpet the operating system. And the only point you have is a gadget feature. Get over yourself.

I'M DONE WITH THIS THREAD! GROW UP!

p.s.
I apologize to Shane McGlaun (author of the article) for this comment section getting hijacked with this nonsense


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 5:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
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I'd rather have a .9 lb heavier and thicker laptop then I would like to give someone $1000 extra
Sure, and I'd rather buy cheapo used Chevy Malibu or Lada or Kia instead of new sweet Lexus, after all who needs those soft good looking leather seats with lots of ergonomic/anatomical adjustments, DVD navigation system, collision warninig radar, electric hybrid engine, sturdy chassis with lots of airbag protection etc etc. Who needs all of that stuff if it costs whopping $30000 extra, right? Right?? :)))
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If you're so concerned with size why are you buying a 7 lb. (6.8lb technically) 17" laptop?
What about if I want a large screen laptop that's as light and thin as possible? What's wrong with that? Screen estate matters, keyboard size matters as well, why can't I get nice THIN and LIGHT notebook which also has large high-resolution 17" screen so I can enjoy my DVD collection or games or something. The problem is: the thinnest and the lightest powerful high-performance 17" notebook is done by Apple, and this is the reason for all the Wintel fanboys barking here. Even though this MBP 17" can run Windows the same way your other generic PC notebooks can. But you just have to bark and envy, because you see that Lexus/Apple/Sony/Aston Martin logo. Isn't that stupid? I don't care about damn logos and brands, I just noticed who does the best 17" notebooks on the market, from the point of view of performance/weight/thickness ratio. You fanboys can bark on your Apple logo for all you want, if I notice Dell doing better notebook judging by these criteria - I'll say so, 'cause there's no reason to bark on a logo. After all I got myself Dell because I don't use those criteria for buying hardware for myself, and judged by other criteria (like price/performance ratio in certain scenarios involving a lot of gaming) Dell clearly kills all the competitors, and Apple gets killed first actually. This is BTW a reason why Apple fanboys bark on a Dell logo a lot. I don't understand them either.
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what exactly do you have to zoom in on, on a 17" notebook screen. Nothing that was so important that apparantly you did not need it until right this moment.
Yeah, controlling your video and photo with two fingers (zoom/rotate) is not VERY important for casual user like me, but it's convenient. Why can't I pay some extra to Apple for that convenience? After all people pay for leather seats in Lexus all the time, 'cause they are also more comfortable than your cheapo Chevy garden benches you sit on. And of course you wouldn't want any leather until you SAW it! The moment you experienced leather seats you start dreaming about them and saving for them because you want COMFORT. Same for MacBooks, you experience multitouch and you immediately want that little cushy comfort, although it's not that important, it's just COMFORT, like those stupid leather seats or location of the ignition key in Saab or something like that. Got it?
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You find me a brand new one for $1700 and I'll buy 4
All aluminum MacBook Air starts from $1800 - got your CC ready? Gonna bite now? Or are you just barking as usual? I suspect you're barking 'cause you conveniently changed my price of $1800 to yours of $1700. You left yourself an escape route. Smart fanboy! Here, get a cookie ;)
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Over-priced means for what you get its not worth the money, expensive just means it costs a lot
Are leather seats in Lexus worth the extra money? Is comfort in general worth the extra money? Think about it.
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You are touting the glories of a machine that is FORCED to run Windows based programs
I don't think that the normal users are _forced_ to run anything on Macs, since Macs run anything these days. Normal user just picks the software and OS he wants to run on a Mac and voila! OTOH, fanatics are forced, I agree, but I was talking about normal users, not fanatics.


RE: The MS PC
By tastyratz on 3/11/2008 7:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
I personally hate apple's starbucks froofy vanity getting in the way of function. They get a big dollar for all their stuff but its not all snake oil for the specs.
For example, a lot of mac desktops had scsi cheetah hard drives in them. They tend to put a lot of server class hardware inside those pretty little boxes. The profit margin is pretty damn wide just not as wide as you think when you consider the true cost for the quality parts inside.
Again I am pretty anti mac in many ways but I give them credit for reliable sturdy parts in their hardware department - even if they only have 1 button :-p


RE: The MS PC
By weskurtz0081 on 3/11/2008 8:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
RIMM is dead? Are you serious? RIMM makes the Iphone! If Apple is raking in the dough, then RIMM is making a pretty good chunk as well.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/2008 8:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
What? Stop smoking that!

RIM makes Blackberrys, not the iPhone, you lama :))


RE: The MS PC
By Makaveli on 3/12/2008 11:46:31 AM , Rating: 2
Easy to see who the mac fanboy is in this thread.

Me thinks you are on the wrong site!


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 3:31:02 PM , Rating: 2
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Me thinks you are on the wrong site
What? I'm on a wrong site because DailyTech regularly publishes Mac related news? Or is it because Anand gave another rave review of his new Mac? This time he was admiring MacBook Air.

I don't remember YOU sitting in the discussion forum and accusing Anand after his rave review of the MacBook Air that he has sold his soul to Jobs or something. You only can bark at me 'cause I'm not Anand. But you can't bite, just like all the other fanboys.

Maybe you're just envious as many other Wintel fanboys are? Say so openly, be honest, nobody will bite you for that. Envy is a normal human reaction, a 100% reasonable thing ;-)


RE: The MS PC
By StupidMonkey on 3/11/2008 7:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
Original X-360, 1 month after launch. 0 problems. No RROD. Played heavily and used as a dvd player. Its also not loud.


RE: The MS PC
By rudy on 3/11/2008 7:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
Why would they need to compete with apple who only has less then 5% of the PC market? The people who already buy apples are never going to change regardless of what you make a MS PC like anyway.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/2008 8:09:48 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, why the heck Toyota decided to go into the premium car business, and started to fight that tiny percentage of the market with their Lexus? Why couldn't they continue churning out cheapo Yaris and Corolla cars, after all most people buy cheap cars right?

Why Ferraris and Bugattis are so expensive and so rare? Why do they fight for that miniscule 0.001% of the market?

Why the price of the car or the computer sold is important? Why it could be more important than the market share?

You have to resist "cheapo flimsy Wintel/Dell PC is everything" attitude that's been brainwashed into you to undersnatnd all of that.

When you understand that NOT cheap goods makers rule the world, you will get it. Sure we need clone makers like Dell who can make same clones fast and CHEAP, but we need innovators as well, like Apple. We'll always pay the price for innovation, be it Apple computers, hybrid cars, fuel cells, fusion power plants or anything like that.


RE: The MS PC
By baseball43v3r on 3/11/2008 8:44:05 PM , Rating: 2
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When you understand that NOT cheap goods makers rule the world, you will get it. Sure we need clone makers like Dell who can make same clones fast and CHEAP, but we need innovators as well, like Apple. We'll always pay the price for innovation, be it Apple computers, hybrid cars, fuel cells, fusion power plants or anything like that.


dont make me laugh, everytime someone says that you are paying for innovation, God kills a kitten. but honestly, you are paying for a brand name, not an "innovative" product. The Iphone, the Mac, the Macbook pro, are all based off of products that already existed, all Mac did was take them and make soem basic improvements, or took away features, to make a more minimalist design. Makes me laugh almost as much as Mac says "its not a pc, its a mac!"

Oh and btw, cheap goods makers do rule the world. look at Dells/hp market percentage. then look at the socalled innovative apple's percentage. To be honest Apple is making almost a semi-cheap good (anything under 2000 in the laptop catorgory can be classified as moderately expensive). And since there are so few games for the Mac, what would be the point of the additional performance boost anyways? (i'll give you the answer, its to run linux!)

Why are cheap goods makers more important? well let me ask you this, what good s technology if you cant afford it, ie SSD's? it is the cheap goods maker that makes it affordable through their innovation, because if the end consumer can't afford the product, then the product is useless


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: The MS PC
By spookynutz on 3/12/2008 1:34:07 AM , Rating: 2
Hello, fellow MacBook user. You should head on over to www.appledefects.com with the rest of us to discuss Apple's pinnacle of innovation in greater detail. Unfortunately, for the budget PC buyer, Dell managed to avoid cloning Apple's pending class action lawsuits.

I just can't get enough of the innovations Apple has "architected" into this stylish laptop they sold me. A swelling battery, blown speaker, warping/corroding case, underclocked video card, a hissing sound coming from the discolored LCD, random shutdowns and arbitrary WiFi functionality.

Fortunately, while my MacBook is back at the genius bar being innovated on, my Latitude D630 is still plugging away. Alas, no backlit keyboard though.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 3:50:27 PM , Rating: 1
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Hello, fellow MacBook user
Good bye, I'm not a MacBook user, I'm a Dell Vostro 1700 user, 'cause I'm cheap and poor guy, so no innovative stuff for me. I do admit recent Dell notebooks finally got better touchpads which can sort of function without clicking the touchpad buttons, but still this is far from nice Mac touchpads with their sweet two finger control, I like that a lot. And Dells are of course way heavier and thicker than MacBooks, especially Dell 17" notebooks, but hey, who really complains about cheap stuff.

I know Wintel PCs are shoddy/flimsy and cheap, and I know their low price is and always will be their biggest advantage. I'm not gonna complain when driving some cheapo american car like chevy, everyone knows they are crappy but everyone drives them because of their low price. I will just envy lucky Lexus owners or lucky MBP 17" owners. These rich bastards know what they buy, fat modafokkas I hate youuu! Just like any other Wintel or cheapo Chevy fanboy hates them. But at least I understand WHY fanboys hate those expensive things, while fanboys themselves DO NOT understand that. Isn't that funny? ;-)

And I've read even more problem reports about shoddy Dell hardware in Dell support forums, so I don't get it. What are you trying to say? That Dell hardware never breaks and Apple hardware always breaks? Or what? Sounds funny, but maybe I'm missing something.


RE: The MS PC
By Rob Pintwala on 3/12/2008 12:59:50 PM , Rating: 2
Firstly, you do realize that those web-usage charts are a disgustingly poor methodology for analyzing market share?

Secondly, you do know of Asia, right? It's the largest computer market in the world; the sheer volume of sales over there dwarfs the North American market. Guess how many Macs get sold in Asia?

Oh, and by the way... your analogy is a little off. Apple wouldn't be the architect; heck, it wouldn't even be on the same construction site as the "clone-makers". They haven't innovated the PC. They haven't innovated hardware. Perhaps package-design/presentation is their only innovation nowadays.

Why is Apple selling more Macs? Because trend-savvy teengaers and young adults jump on anything that is portrayed as "sexy" in the media. Those ads are working, and I'll give Apple that much.


RE: The MS PC
By Pirks on 3/12/2008 4:15:20 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
you do realize that those web-usage charts are a disgustingly poor methodology for analyzing market share
They are the most reliable - they show how many active users of the specific platform use Internet. On the other hand all these fake numbers of "Vista licenses sold" that MS brags about are nothing but nice theoretical numbers - 'cause MS doesn't care if, say, a third of those "sold licenses" gets ended up in a trash can because Vista was replaced by XP (read all those comments on newegg.com where people buy cheapo $500 PC notebooks en masse and replace Vista with XP right away)
quote:
you do know of Asia, right?
You do know of US, right? You should know that ruling the US market means eventually ruling the world, since all computer related stuff starts in the US. Microsoft started in US, Apple started in US, IBM, nVidia, Intel and all the other number one software and hardware companies. Who cares about third world? MS may dominate Russia, Asia and Africa for all they want, this doesn't matter.
quote:
They haven't innovated the PC
Still, the first mass market personal computer was done by Apple, way before IBM PC appeared. You Wintel fanboys don't know the history, like I said many times before.
quote:
They haven't innovated hardware
"The Apple PowerBook series, introduced in October 1991, pioneered changes that are now de facto standards on laptops, such as room for a palm rest, and the inclusion of a pointing device (a trackball)." There you go, Mr. Wintel "I know no damn history" Fanboy ;)
quote:
trend-savvy teengaers and young adults jump on anything that is portrayed as "sexy" in the media
Yeah, trend-savvy teenagers constitute 70-80% of all the mp3 player users, and of course they also constitute majority of the iPhone SDK users and Apple iPhone Enterprise Beta programs users. Right. That's a bit more funny than other typical Wintel fanboy lies, but still.. try to be more original and entertaining next time please.


Call it being stubborn...
By 67STANG on 3/11/2008 3:47:35 PM , Rating: 2
Never much cared for the "natural" keyboard layout. Guess I've used too many "regular" keyboards to ever get used to the curved key layout. I'll pass on this.




RE: Call it being stubborn...
By Polynikes on 3/11/2008 3:51:51 PM , Rating: 2
I like the natural (split, not slightly curved) keyboard layout much more than the regular one. The curved layout seems to be taking over, unfortunately.

That mouse, however, would not suit me at all. I hate mice with funky angles on the sides (not as close to 90 degrees as possible), as I hold the mouse with my thumb and ring fingers, not my whole palm. The mouse ergonomics movement is actually working the other way for me. :\


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By soconne on 3/11/2008 4:05:36 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, I prefer the natural split layout. Its the only keyboard design I've ever used that does not cause hand cramps. I have to sit and write code for 9-10 hours a day, and ever since I switch to the natural split layout, I've never had a cramp since.


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By StevoLincolnite on 3/11/2008 4:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
I personally liked the old 5 Din Pin Keyboards without that blasted Windows Key, Ever engrossed playing a game and hit it by accident?


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By Sazar on 3/11/2008 5:01:34 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, but since I have a G-15 keyboard and can turn off that function while gaming, no ill-effects :)


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By kelmon on 3/11/2008 5:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
I had one of those keyboards for years until it broke and thought it was a fabulous design. Definitely not to everyone's tastes (much like the Apple laptop-style keyboard I'm currently using) but I found it very comfortable. I think it's the only piece of hardware that I've bought over the many years that actually broke rather than was simply replaced/upgraded, which is an indication of how much I liked it.


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By RamarC on 3/11/2008 4:05:32 PM , Rating: 4
i like the curve but i hated the split (ugh). i really hated the versions that replaced the standard 2x3 keys (ins, del, pgup, pgdn, etc) above the arrows with a 3x2 layout. and don't get me started on this dumb layout with the double-high del key and missing ins key! http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image...


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By Ammohunt on 3/11/2008 6:15:40 PM , Rating: 5
Bring back the old bullet resistant IBM keyboards that have that satisfying "Click"


RE: Call it being stubborn...
By Springfield45 on 3/12/2008 3:56:26 AM , Rating: 2
Long live the Clickey Keyboard!

(Mine, made in 1988, is still going strong!)


Minimum system requirements
By isorfir on 3/11/2008 3:45:39 PM , Rating: 5
I wonder if you'll have to run your keyboard and mouse in "Basic Mode" if your computer can't support Aero...




RE: Minimum system requirements
By System48 on 3/11/2008 4:02:09 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, they should let you replace the clear "Aero looking" plastic with opaque plastic, if decide it slows down your computer too much. Or better yet they should make a "Basic" version that just has opaque plastic and allow you to do an "Anytime Upgrade" to the premium Aero enabled version. If you want you could also upgrade the keyboard by taking off the new windows key and putting on the old one.


RE: Minimum system requirements
By itlnstln on 3/12/2008 9:57:43 AM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, my Model M is only Vista Capable... :(


Off-topic rant, but...
By UNCjigga on 3/11/2008 4:36:21 PM , Rating: 3
Why the hell are Bluetooth wireless desktops so rare and expensive? Seriously? It really ticks me off everytime someone launches a new wireless keyboard/mouse combo and its based off of a proprietary 2.4ghz radio standard. What's wrong with Bluetooth? I've used a Bluetooth mouse with my laptop, and it seemed to work great. It stands to reason that Bluetooth would be preferred, and I know the radios are pretty cheap now. Yet a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse costs $200, vs $50 for one with a standard radio. Arrgh.




RE: Off-topic rant, but...
By MozeeToby on 3/11/2008 4:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
Well, there is one that's made for the ps3 that's goes for $80 or so I think. Still not as low as it should be but it is better than $200 if that's the best you can find. Not sure if you can link it to anything or if it is pre-paired with the playstation though.


RE: Off-topic rant, but...
By rudy on 3/11/2008 7:57:14 PM , Rating: 2
Because there is something wrong with blue tooth. Not sure what but when I wanted to get a blue tooth mouse for a blue tooth laptop the over all reviews were pretty bad.


RE: Off-topic rant, but...
By Spivonious on 3/12/2008 9:49:19 AM , Rating: 2
All of the bluetooth keyboards/mice I've used have had a noticeable delay coming out of sleep mode. I start typing and a second later the text appears. I move the mouse and it hesitates. Once they're active it's fine, but that startup pause gets annoying.


Wireless Standard Keyboard
By BMFPitt on 3/11/2008 4:17:58 PM , Rating: 4
I find that whenever I say that they need to invent something, someone will respond saying that it exists. Well they need to invent a good wireless keyboard that has no media keys that I will never press intentionally, and preferably doesn't come with a mouse. Give me a big backspace key and leave Insert where it belongs.

I'm waiting...




RE: Wireless Standard Keyboard
By JoshuaBuss on 3/11/2008 6:33:00 PM , Rating: 2
agreed!


Expensive
By doucie on 3/12/2008 7:46:43 AM , Rating: 2
$129.95 for a very ugly piece of plastic. And people say Macs are overpriced!!




RE: Expensive
By Lightnix on 3/13/2008 12:51:20 PM , Rating: 2
The units might not always be, but those upgrades - fwoof!


RE: Expensive
By Pirks on 3/13/08, Rating: 0
RE: Expensive
By Pirks on 3/13/08, Rating: -1
Here it comes...
By HaZaRd2K6 on 3/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Here it comes...
By rudolphna on 3/11/2008 6:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I have mixed feelings about curved keyboards. On the one hand, i use a straight, non spaced Logitech Keyboard at my computer. My parents computer (im only 16) has a ergonomic curved one. I can usually type faster on theirs, but i prefer to type on mine. lol its wierd.


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