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Google Earth Street View Image of Fort Sam Houston before it was Removed  (Source: BBC News)
Pentagon bans Google from taking images and video of military installations

Services like Google Earth are viewed by many to be nothing more than an interesting curiosity.  However, for the U.S. military and other world governments the satellite images and other footage Google offers on its Earth service represents a big security risk.

BBC News reports that the Pentagon has banned Google from filming inside and making detailed studies of U.S. military bases. The ban comes after detailed footage from inside and outside of the U.S. military base at Fort Sam Houston in Texas turned on up Google Earth’s Street View service.

Street View is a service of Google Earth that allows users of the application to travel down streets from the perspective of a car driver. The problem the Pentagon had with these images was that they were shot with great detail and were found to represent a significant security risk.

The defense department said in a statement quoted by BBC News, “Images include 360-degree views of the covered area to include access control points, barriers, headquarters, facilities and community areas.” The fear is that terrorists could use the detailed images to develop plans to attack the base.

Larry Yu, a Google spokesman, told BBC News that the decision to enter the US military base had been a “mistake.” Yu further said, “[it is] not our policy to request access to military installations, but in this instance the operator of the vehicle with the camera on top - which is how we go about capturing imagery for Street-View - requested permission to access a military installation, was given access, and after learning of the incident we quickly removed the imagery".

The U.S. military isn’t the only military force that has had problems with images shown on Google Earth. DailyTech reported in July of 2007 that satellite imagery form Google Earth had shown a new Chinese ballistic missile sub in dock. Indian officials became irate when images of its new Sukhoi 30 MK1 aircraft turned up on Google Earth as well.

A U.S. spy agency stated in May of 2007 that curbs needed to be placed on satellite images made available to the public.



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RE: The way it should be
By mmntech on 3/7/2008 1:38:19 PM , Rating: 5
Aside from the fact that the 9/11 conspirators were relative nobodies who got into the US and obtained plenty of data on strategic targets. In other words, you don't need the internet when good old fashion spying will do just as good. Plus, all this info is already out in the wild. If Bin Laden wants it, he probably already has it. This seems like another case of pointless censorship to me, which the US seems to have a big problem with lately. Feel free to disagree. That's just my $0.02.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: -1
RE: The way it should be
By mdogs444 on 3/7/2008 4:38:43 PM , Rating: 2
Lets see.......someone who actually believes that list of Rosie ODonnell garbage about GWB plotting the attack on our own landmarks wants to try and persuade me on who is and is not a good president and what we should do for the upcoming election.

Haha. And I almost though the idiots on Judge Mathis were the most ridiculous thing ive seen yet today.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: -1
RE: The way it should be
By mdogs444 on 3/7/2008 5:21:09 PM , Rating: 5
Geez, I would say you drank too much Kool-Aid....but it was obviously something far worse.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/8/2008 4:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it wasn't kool-aid it was a truth serum - sodium pentothal! It came down the wire while I accidentally switched channels and tuned into Fox News!


RE: The way it should be
By mufdvr3669 on 3/9/2008 3:55:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
6. Most of the FBI’s named list of pilots of those planes that crashed into the twin towers are still working to this day!!! (fact)


John Ogonowski - Dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogonowski

Thomas McGuinness - Dead

Charles Burlingame - Dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Burlingame

David M. Charlebois - Dead

Michael R. Horrocks - Dead

Victor Saracini - Dead

You are completely wrong and full of sh@%. Where are your facts when you come up with your BS. I have lists of overs 100 dead people on those planes willing to bet against your stupid conspiracy theories.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/9/2008 9:25:05 AM , Rating: 2
I should have said 'hijackers' NOT pilots! (those poor bastards were probably murdered by the feds...)

Please feel free to do you own research, of course, but in the meantime: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html


RE: The way it should be
By DRMichael on 3/11/2008 11:52:49 PM , Rating: 2
Stop, please...a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Go to college, graduate, get a job.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/9/2008 10:12:49 AM , Rating: 2
I think you should watch this video, Mr. Witty-Ass. It’s a Republican telling you some home truths that you’re not really going to like (or probably even look into because of your ‘blinkered’ and retentive outlook on life)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ixuf236Dk

Now, if the rest of you 'suckers' are SO brain washed that you cannot possibly bring yourselves to doubt what is truly a dreadful tragedy that happened on our own soil and is now affecting the rest of the world, then there really is absolutely no hope for us.

And the crazy thing is: the rest of the world is watching us like a hawk….


RE: The way it should be
By rcc on 3/7/2008 5:04:37 PM , Rating: 2
Goodness, that's a fine case of sphincter lock you have there. I'm guessing you just assume that anyone that spouts off something contrary to public knowledge must be right?

I'm not going to dive into that whole sordid mess, but I do have a couple of comments.

3. If you think Pearl Harbor was a lie, you should visit the Arizona memorial sometime. If you are talking about all the "secrets of Pearl Harbor" shows created to make money, consider the sources.

5. Unlike you, I don't claim to know 50% of the population, but in the slice of it that I do know, not one person believes that "the US did it". Then again I try to hang out with productive working people.

I'm not saying the US is pristine, blah, blah, blah. But of the countries I've been in, and it's quite a few now, it's really the only one I'd care to live in. Well, if certain things happen in our government I might consider Australia or New Zealand. : )


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: -1
RE: The way it should be
By rcc on 3/7/2008 6:12:48 PM , Rating: 3
I question everything, continually. I admit to a bias when reviewing the work of a liberal, but I give both sides a fair shake.

Everything has to be taken in historical context. It's easy to say "they knew beforehand". I knew that eventually there would be a major terrorist attack on US soil. It was inevitable. Hopefully the government and it's intelligence sources had a better grip on the when and where possibilities. But knowing that is a far shot from predicting time and place and being able to take action. Particularly without violating anyone's rights.

As far as a government put up job, we'll just have to disagree on that.


RE: The way it should be
By cvmaas on 3/7/2008 7:17:07 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, maybe it is you that needs to learn how to read and properly do research. These comments on Pearl Harbor are very distasteful and disrespectful to those that gave their lives for us on that sad day!!

How you can constitute the USA receiving the declaration of war from Japan only 15 minutes before the attack into saying we knowingly sat back and let it happen is absurd! Honestly, did we really need to be decimated at Pearl Harbor in order to justify joining the war in self-defense? If Japan attacked us, and as you beleive, we could have actually fought back and not, not been told anything, would it really take anything more than that to justify self-defense?

You seem to forget that one way or another more than 50% of the country was for the Iraq war in the beginning. Granted, many people thought that way due to mis-information, but nonetheless, we were still drawn into war. Now if Iraq had attacked us, as Japan did, even if we didn't lose a single soldier in the attack, would anyone be complaining today about attacking Iraq?


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: 0
RE: The way it should be
By SlyNine on 3/7/2008 5:16:02 PM , Rating: 4
You my friend are about as goalable as they get. The places you get your information is neither subjective nor is it ever criticized by any respected forum. Plus I've seen some of those, It sounded like a missile or when they flat out lied and said that radar operator said that moved like a missile. SHE DIDN'T EVEN SAY THAT. So you are definitely the one that needs too get your facts straight.

You can hate the USA and live here. That's the great thing about the USA is the fact that you can hate it so much. But if you really want to hate on a country that gives you these freedoms, you should try living in a place that doesn't to see how it feels. But yet you would rather believe lies from afar, unless of course you live in France. Then the lies are local.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: -1
RE: The way it should be
By mdogs444 on 3/7/2008 5:44:24 PM , Rating: 2
I think your conspiracy theory rants are why people in other countries are sitting back right now and laughing at us like were a bunch of idiots.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: 0
RE: The way it should be
By SlyNine on 3/7/2008 6:37:28 PM , Rating: 2
LOL Yea like how much aid our foreign policies send out each year, Im sure they hate that. How is this world controlled by us. We remove one dictator that puts his people in acid baths and torture people with unbelievable methods and we get criticized for stopping that + genocide. So I do not see how we are governing the world one little bit. We have a voice and we speak it.

Not ever one was against the Iraq war going in and not every one is against it now. I for one see a lot of progress over there. You may watch all the anti US bs and think otherwise. It's your right to do so but it doesn't make you right.

I'm not saying that Bush's agenda is out in the open or even that honest. But you will never find one leader that is, The fact is this can help a lot of people in Iraq to a fair and just system. Give them a chance to have a democracy where they have a voice. Don't tell me they don't want that just because a few terrorist's start some trouble, most of them are not even from Iraq.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/2008 8:11:54 PM , Rating: 1
Quote: “Not ever one was against the Iraq war going in and not every one is against it now. I for one see a lot of progress over there. You may watch all the anti US bs and think otherwise. It's your right to do so but it doesn't make you right.

I'm not saying that Bush's agenda is out in the open or even that honest. But you will never find one leader that is, The fact is this can help a lot of people in Iraq to a fair and just system. Give them a chance to have a democracy where they have a voice. Don't tell me they don't want that just because a few terrorist's start some trouble, most of them are not even from Iraq”

No, not everyone was against the Iraq war at that time: because nobody knew the true facts (at that time), did they?

Let’s just say that it was a F*&! Up of Mass Proportions…(FUMP)

As long as my tax dollar is going to fund jobs here and a percentage of that is going into G ‘W’ Bush’s pocket, who cares?


RE: The way it should be
By SlyNine on 3/7/2008 8:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
In your opinion. Personally I think we would've been in Iraq sooner or later, and we should have finished the job the first time.


RE: The way it should be
By SlyNine on 3/7/2008 6:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't you be a true skeptic then and not be brainwashed by our enemies and people from other countries. Its alright to question our government, that's what's great about it is we can do just that. However just getting hand feed what other US HATERS try to feed you is just STUPID.

What does it mean. Why can it not mean that they feel intimidated by US. Why can it mean they simply disagree, but if they do does that mean we have to see it their way. Why is it we are automatically in the wrong. I understand the stance against wanting any kinda war. But just as long as you realize that the opposition towards the war isn't tell 100% truths either. Like the no WMD thing, we knew and it was widely said going in that even if they ARE their we might never find them. Maybe them not finding them is more of a testimony to the fact they don't always lie as they could have simply planted them their if they wanted.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/08, Rating: -1
RE: The way it should be
By SlyNine on 3/7/2008 7:22:47 PM , Rating: 1
How has it been proven their were no WMD's, its been said alot , but never proven.

How would we feel if Iraq invaded us, well im pretty sure almost every man woman and child would fight for this country. Why because well, my friend. We are simply better then Iraq. yes that is an opinion but try to find people that dissagree. In Iraq however most of their old "warloards" are actully working with us, supporting us. A high percentage of the people we are fighting are not even from Iraq, So why should we leave Iraq. You may see us as the only invaders, but this is not true, we have more support then they do in Iraq. Why if Iraq doesnt like what we do for them did they stick their necks out and vote under threat of death. Did we threaten them if they didnt vote we'd kill them no. Sorry but what you say just doesnt stick because we are nothing like them.

and for this
"Everybody knows that the US (Tank factories and arms suppliers) got a major boost when the war on Iraq was started. That’s why other people elsewhere got pissed off because they were being pounded while loads of jobs in the US were being created and Bush and other investors reaped the fruits of that situation. While, all the time we’re being told that it’s justified – bullshit!"

This is nothing more then conjecture and opinion.

"Because of this ‘freedom of information’ etc. other countries can see that we’re raking-in the bounty of this situation. The man on the street sees a job – the other countries see a shit foreign policy?"

What!! please restate that. We have freedom of information, along with some other countries. But very few have the amount of freedom of information that we do, So because we have it doesnt mean jack for them.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/7/2008 7:58:50 PM , Rating: 2
Quote: "This is nothing more then conjecture and opinion"

Have a read of this then:

http://www.democracynow.org/2001/11/2/george_bush_...

The Carlye Group. What do they make?


RE: The way it should be
By SlyNine on 3/8/2008 1:13:47 AM , Rating: 1
Chris Ayres, New York correspondent for The Times (London).
Well that about sums it up for me. LOL


RE: The way it should be
By marsbound2024 on 3/9/2008 11:36:54 PM , Rating: 2
Can we have -6 ratings, for the ultra dumbass comments? Just as we have +6 ratings for the really good ones.


RE: The way it should be
By andyjary on 3/10/2008 6:46:35 AM , Rating: 2
I have a better idea: why don't we get dumb-asses like you to actually do some research of your own (looking at both sides of the debate), and then come-up with a resonable argument to the contrary?


RE: The way it should be
By marsbound2024 on 3/10/2008 4:47:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have better things to do with my life than debunking nonsense.


RE: The way it should be
By KeypoX on 3/7/2008 11:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
crap i meant to vote you down!!!! But thats wonderful you think that just because the military strategic information is feasible obtained that it should be made available via a google search program. Because if he wants it "he probably already has it"


RE: The way it should be
By Nik00117 on 3/8/2008 5:28:01 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think when they were banning it they were thinking of the higher profile poeple, those poeple have resources that other poeple simply do not have. If Bin Laden wants to attack a US base he will find out all he can and most likely near damn everything any how.

I think what the military is more concerned about is the small time poeple, poeple who don't have quite as much as much access.

Lets assume that there are a few individuals who hate the military and what they do so they decide to attack a base. Now first off they are amateurs. Their budget is limited, along with their connections. Such images could give them valuable intel to plan and coordinate a more effective strike. Letss ay the goog image displayed how the barriers are laid out, well they can plan for that, they see a gate and the poles are sharp at the top, they can plan for that. They see a gaurd post and notice a blind spot. They could find outt he height of the gates in order to overlap them. They could spend time going each piece of the picture anazyling even the smallest of smalls. They could notice that there is a door to the rear of a building etc.

All of this can be intel which they can use to attack us.

Without that, they wouldn't know the gaurd had a blind spot, the barriers would be more of a challenge, they couldn't tell what they needed to jump the fence. They wouldn't know what it was made out of, or the outsidelayout of the building. ALl things which could make an attack that much easier.

And again me being in a military community i've come to the understanding that regradless of freedom of information hippies say they are certain things about our gov which are better left covered up.

And me being in a military community I know quite a few intel guys (they are guys who basic job is pour over information, and write reports and so forth) and those guys have this thing called morals. Now how do you thing some of the past events that our gov has done have been leaked? By a guy in an office who saw somethign which he knew had to be uncovered so he uncovered it. Now let our gov have our sercets, granted lets contiue to challenge on them but we must also understand there are things which are to be said, and things which aren't to be said.


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