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Netflix to cease carrying new HD DVD titles

The tide continues to turn in the ongoing high-definition format war. Netflix, the first choice in online movie rental service in the U.S., today announced that it will exclusively stock Blu-ray Disc as the only choice for its customers looking for high-definition content.

Earlier this year, Warner Bros. shook the industry when it announced that it would release movies exclusively on Blu-ray Disc starting this summer. Netflix states that, with four major Hollywood studios now behind Blu-ray Disc, it too will back the format held by the majority.

Since the inception of HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc, Netflix gave its customers opportunity to rent from both formats. But by the end of this year, the online rental service will have phased out HD DVD, leaving Blu-ray Disc as the lone option.

HD DVD hardware owners will have to look to alternative rental outlets for software, as Blockbuster announced last summer that its retail stores would also carry only Blu-ray Disc. Blockbuster’s Total Access online rental service, however, continues to provide HD DVD as an option.

"The prolonged period of competition between two formats has prevented clear communication to the consumer regarding the richness of the high-def experience versus standard definition," said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer for Netflix. "We're now at the point where the industry can pursue the migration to a single format, bring clarity to the consumer and accelerate the adoption of high-def. Going forward, we expect that all of the studios will publish in the Blu-ray format and that the price points of high-def DVD players will come down significantly. These factors could well lead to another decade of disc-based movie watching as the consumer's preferred means."

Only a small percentage of Netflix’s seven million subscribers elected to rent high-definition movies, and the company says that most of its customers have chosen Blu-ray Disc over HD DVD.

"From the Netflix perspective, focusing on one format will enable us to create the best experience for subscribers who want high-definition to be an important part of how they enjoy our service," Added Sarandos.

As part of the transition to Blu-ray Disc, the Netflix said it will acquire no new HD DVDs but that its existing inventory would continue to rent until the discs' natural life cycle (through loss or damage) takes them out of circulation in the coming months.

Although Blu-ray Disc may have more support, Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Entertainment are still exclusive to HD DVD. This means that Netflix customers will be without a high-definition option for upcoming releases such as Beowulf, Bee Movie, Sweeney Todd, The Jack Ryan Collection, American Gangster, Braveheart, Forrest Gump, Star Trek and potentially even Indiana Jones.



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another blow.....
By Moishe on 2/11/2008 11:20:09 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe we can finally get this mess over with?

Even though I have an HD-DVD player, I would love it if this crap were settled once and for all. I really don't mind having two formats. I do mind being a Netflix customer and not having as many HD options.

In my mind Netflix and Blockbuster shouldn't have chosen a side. I'm not sure how much money this saves them, but this move is certainly not a consumer driven move because it removes consumer choice.




RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 11:30:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I do mind being a Netflix customer and not having as many HD options.

I'm sure many people feel the same way.

quote:
In my mind Netflix and Blockbuster shouldn't have chosen a side. I'm not sure how much money this saves them, but this move is certainly not a consumer driven move because it removes consumer choice.

For Block Buster it would make sense at the Brick & Mortar stores since your all about shelf space. For online rentals it makes little sense since your stocking in warehouses. Netflix made an odd choice here. Certain HD movies come in one format or the other. By choosing one over the other on the Rental side makes no sense at all. Rental movies are sunk cost and as long as they continue to be rented they are a continued source of revenue. Biggest problem with both formats is many titles are available on one or the other, not both. Until Paramount and Universal decide to switch to Blu-Ray this will only continue. I don't see the wisdom in this move given Netflix business model.


RE: another blow.....
By AlphaVirus on 2/11/2008 11:47:07 AM , Rating: 2
But you have to remember they said they will continue to have HDDVD as an option until the end of 2008. That gives them plenty of time in case anything changes in the war.

If BluRay wins then they do nothing because they have already chosen that side.
If HDDVD wins then they have an entire year to switch over.

Netflix knows what it is doing and I think they know a little more since they are probably discussing this stuff with several publishers.


RE: another blow.....
By ATC on 2/11/2008 3:06:21 PM , Rating: 2
If you read their statement carefully they will likely not have any HD-DVDs for long, let alone till the end of the year. They will have them until their inventory is depleted through disk life cycle, fire sales, write offs etc... they essentially may end up completing this phase by year end but chances are it will be much sooner.

It is anticipated that they will sell most of their previously viewed HD-DVD stock pretty soon, so for those still wanting to build on their HD-DVD collection should keep an eye out for some pretty good sales there.


RE: another blow.....
By docinct on 2/12/2008 3:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
The end is coming by the end of the year based on this e-mail I received:

We're Going Blu-ray

Dear xxxxx,

You're receiving this email because you have asked to receive high-definition movies in the HD DVD format. As you may have heard, most of the major movie studios have recently decided to release their high-definition movies exclusively in the Blu-ray format. In order to provide the best selection of high-definition titles for our members, we have decided to go exclusively with Blu-ray as well.

While we will continue to make our current selection of HD DVD titles available to you for the next several months, we will not be adding additional HD DVD titles or reordering replacements.

Toward the end of February, HD DVDs in your Saved Queue will automatically be changed to standard definition DVDs. Then toward the end of this year, all HD DVDs in your Queue will be changed to standard definition DVDs. Don't worry, we will contact you before this happens.


RE: another blow.....
By nemrod on 2/11/2008 11:52:43 AM , Rating: 2
You see only short term. But it 's easer to handle only one format. HD-DVD will die and you will find all the films on bluray. Read the arguments :

quote:
"The prolonged period of competition between two formats has prevented clear communication to the consumer regarding the richness of the high-def experience versus standard definition," said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer for Netflix. "We're now at the point where the industry can pursue the migration to a single format, bring clarity to the consumer and accelerate the adoption of high-def. Going forward, we expect that all of the studios will publish in the Blu-ray format and that the price points of high-def DVD players will come down significantly. These factors could well lead to another decade of disc-based movie watching as the consumer's preferred means."


RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 11:55:23 AM , Rating: 3
That's marketing PR for we are trying to strong arm Universal and Paramount into switching to Blu-Ray but if they don't we will back down.

If consumers demand HD DVD titles into 2009 because Universal and Paramount are still HD DVD exclusive, then Netflix will have to stock it.


RE: another blow.....
By nemrod on 2/11/2008 12:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
In many minds hd-dvd is dead. And this netflix position is again a new "proof". When most consumers will have bluray player and not hd-dvd, you believe Universal and paramount will still choose to sell for only 10% of the market?


RE: another blow.....
By Chaser on 2/11/2008 12:12:58 PM , Rating: 2
Universal and Paramount like many other businesses, have shareholders to consider. Supporting a comatose if not dead format doesn't make very good business sense. It costs money and resources. This isn't about "strong arming" anyone.

Consumers started choosing BR over HD DVD months ago when Block Buster went BR exclusive. One format is BEST for consumers that will begin to consider their High Def purchase options in the future days to come.

Thankfully in this case history won't be repeating itself as most everyone learned from the beta vs VHS "war" that adverting one is best for everyone. It's good to see this over finally.


RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: another blow.....
By nemrod on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 1:03:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And you believe over-price hybrid players have any chance?

The point is that the BR2.0 spec and the HD-DVD spec (hasn't ever changed) are extremely close. All you really need is a way to make the laser a variable wavelength depending on the disk inserted. Or take the draconian approach and include 2 lasers. There is no hardware reason for hybrid players to be so expensive.

quote:
Ok, you have bought a cheap hd-dvd player and you're not happy with the news. But for consumer it's better only one format stay (hd-dvd or bluray, it doesn't matter, even if now, the game is played)

I'm not arguing a point about format. My investment in either is minimal and switching won't cause me any pain (hell I shelled out more for my latest graphics card than it would cost to purchase a HD player in either format and a few movies). The problem is that the high def market overall is in the same boat here. Blu-Ray has the studio support, no argument there. They need to do 2 things now to seal the deal (walmart not necessary).

-Cheaper BR players, $350 is a tough pill to swallow given the current state of the economy.
-Stand alone players that adhere to the BR2.0 spec, I haven't found any yet :(


RE: another blow.....
By MrPickins on 2/11/2008 5:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
All you really need is a way to make the laser a variable wavelength depending on the disk inserted. Or take the draconian approach and include 2 lasers.


And there is your added cost right there.

Oh, and you neglect to mention that it'll have double the licensing fees. How does this help consumers again?


RE: another blow.....
By BansheeX on 2/12/2008 10:43:08 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't. Kenobi is a fervid HD-DVD supporter and has spent the last few weeks trying to tell people to go purple to save himself the cost of getting a new player. I don't think he realizes how dual format will confuse the crapnuts out of the average consumer and make HD movies the perma-niche lifelong bitch of DVD.


RE: another blow.....
By Chaser on 2/11/2008 1:02:15 PM , Rating: 2
In case you didn't notice, everyone that matters is abandoning the fastly sinking HD DVD ship. Hybrid players are expensive -once an important factor trumpeted by the HD DVD faithful I believe?

I agree that adoption rates with any high Def movie media is in it's infancy. But 2 years from now consumers won't care about that other format that flopped in its first year nor will manufacturers will waste the money to produce the players.


RE: another blow.....
By sweetsauce on 2/11/2008 12:51:42 PM , Rating: 2
This is the first month in a long time that quality HD-DVD movies are coming out. We'll finally be able to see if the format is really dying, or if it was a case of nothing being available previously to warrant a purchase. Common sense tells me it was lack of content.


RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 12:56:26 PM , Rating: 2
Probably. DVD sales have been lacking as of late as well.


RE: another blow.....
By 777 on 2/11/2008 2:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for pointing out the obvious, consumers are not benefiting from two formats. They will benefit when everyone is competing for the best exp and lowest price in one format, I don't get why this is so hard to understand. Everyone I know and customer I deal hasn't been willing to commit to a format because they don't want to waste time and money on a format that isn't being supported by the majority of the studios and there is no product to watch.

I said this before the companies see people choosing Blu-ray and they want to make money, that's why more and more companies are now choosing Blu-ray, nobody is getting strong armed. Hopefully we can finally move on and see the Hi-def format be good for the market until downloaded is perfected.


RE: another blow.....
By omnicronx on 2/11/2008 1:30:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
For online rentals it makes little sense since your stocking in warehouses.
Wouldn't they have to pay a different license fee? One for the DVD, one for the BD and one for the HD-DVD? Or am I totally off base here...


RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 1:43:37 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Wouldn't they have to pay a different license fee? One for the DVD, one for the BD and one for the HD-DVD? Or am I totally off base here...

They shouldn't. They buy a "rentable" copy of the movie for whatever price the studio commands and that's that. License fee's would be more for the Studio printing the movie or the manufacturing line doing the printing. I can't think of any format specific fees that might apply to Netflix in this case.

Gonna go with totally off base.


RE: another blow.....
By RamarC on 2/11/2008 5:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
that's the nail in the hd-dvd coffin. but i do agree that consumers should have made the choice, not content providers. the providers should have been able to figure this out a long time ago.


RE: another blow.....
By TheDoc9 on 2/11/2008 8:15:54 PM , Rating: 2
I don't mind the delay, I've still got those 5 free hd-dvd's in limbo. Not willing to accept yet that I'm getting screwed out of them.


RE: another blow.....
By EODetroit on 2/12/2008 9:51:31 AM , Rating: 1
They got paid.


RE: another blow.....
By kattanna on 2/11/2008 11:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
agreed. Netflix should not be taking sides. and honestly i can't see why they felt the need to make an announcement like this either.

there are so few high def disks out compared to standard DVD's I find it hard to believe its a real cost cutting measure.

I wonder if they were offered something to do this.


RE: another blow.....
By AlphaVirus on 2/11/2008 11:56:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
there are so few high def disks out compared to standard DVD's I find it hard to believe its a real cost cutting measure.

With Netflix going BluRay exclusive, they can now push more advertising at the customers without any confusion.

If they show a commercial with both BluRay and HDDVD most people wont bother with it because they dont know which one is better or more cost effective. If you are only showing "Now in BluRay and DVD format" then they will think regular DVD or High Def. Blu Ray.


RE: another blow.....
By 777 on 2/11/2008 2:12:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
With Netflix going BluRay exclusive, they can now push more advertising at the customers without any confusion.


Again thank you for pointing out the obvious, it really is this simple!


RE: another blow.....
By geddarkstorm on 2/11/2008 12:08:52 PM , Rating: 3
It makes perfect business sense. Netflix said that the blu-ray are selling better, so to move their entire inventory to that format, instead of buying both (including the redundancy of buying the same movie in both formats) allows them to make more profit. That is, after all, what a business is really after.

Finally, notice the end of his quote "...These factors could well lead to another decade of disc-based movie watching as the consumer's preferred means." Notice that "disc-based" bit? Netflix is competing against downloadable content, so it is also in their best interest to really trumpet discs in general, and reducing confusion and redundancy are important factors in that.


RE: another blow.....
By geddarkstorm on 2/11/2008 12:14:09 PM , Rating: 3
There's a difference between choice and needless redundancy/complexity. Do we really need two or more formats that are basically identical but which split studios into exclusive categories, thus making it impossible to view all movies on any one format? That really makes the consumer lose, as then the consumer has to either buy two players, or a highly expensive dual player. And for what? Moving to one format, as with DVD and VHS in the past, is the only sensible thing to do, and has to happen eventually.


RE: another blow.....
By sweetsauce on 2/11/2008 1:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
You're right that we don't need 2 different formats, but we have 2. If you believe the hype then yes blu won the "format war". I argue that there was never a war since the 2 formats never competed on equal ground. My question to you is this: do you really think killing off the cheaper alternative in this supposed war is best for the consumer, or is killing off the more expensive one the best thing? Is it better to kill off the complete format or the one that still hasn't reached maturity? Is it better to support toshiba or sony? Is it better to put butter or jam on your toast? All these questions must be answered honestly without any fanboyism. I'll let you in on a little secret, the studios couldn't care less whats best for the consumer.

P.S. PS3/xbox360 needless redundancy?


RE: another blow.....
By Chaser on 2/11/2008 1:21:34 PM , Rating: 1
Despite how you re-package all these old tiring worn out denial spin attempts I have a secret for you too:

It's over. Accept it. Move on and enjoy life.


RE: another blow.....
By SirLucius on 2/11/2008 1:36:49 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I argue that there was never a war since the 2 formats never competed on equal ground.


Huh? HD-DVD had a head start on Blu-ray. Just because Toshiba's marketing team sucks doesn't mean the two weren't on equal ground.

quote:
do you really think killing off the cheaper alternative in this supposed war is best for the consumer, or is killing off the more expensive one the best thing?


Can you really only think in the short term? Blu-ray prices WILL drop given time. There are multiple manufacturers of Blu-ray players. They will compete with each other to make the best product and get the most sales.

It's also more than just "cheaper vs. more expensive." HD-DVD is cheaper, but also holds less data. With Blu-ray discs you'll be able to put more HD content on a disc, i.e. special features will be in HD. Or do HD-DVD fans now not care about special features? I can never remember. Movies aside, the winner will be the next storage medium for the PC. Again, more storage is better than less. You pay more initially, but you get more. And like I said before, it's getting easier and easier to produce Blu-ray players and discs. Prices will drop.

quote:
Is it better to kill off the complete format or the one that still hasn't reached maturity?


I've got no real argument here other than that by the time Blu-ray has reached mass adoption, the spec should be complete.

quote:
Is it better to support toshiba or sony?


That's a stupid question. Both are companies out to take your money and make profit. I have no allegiance to one or the other. Besides which, Blu-ray is more than Sony. But you'll probably continue to ignore that little fact.

quote:
Is it better to put butter or jam on your toast?


Depends on my mood.


RE: another blow.....
By sweetsauce on 2/11/2008 2:05:11 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Huh? HD-DVD had a head start on Blu-ray. Just because Toshiba's marketing team sucks doesn't mean the two weren't on equal ground.
I think im talking about today, and today there isn't equal footing. I know 3 people that broke down and bought a blu player because theres nothing available on HD-DVD. IF, and i emphasize IF there was the same title available on both players, they would have purchased the HD-DVD one.
quote:
Can you really only think in the short term? Blu-ray prices WILL drop given time.
Once again im thinking of NOW. Right NOW i have to shell out over $300 for a player that doesn't do anything my current $100 HD-DVD player can do. I really don't care that in 2 years blu will be under $100, i care now that i have my hd tv and no movies to watch it on.
quote:
I've got no real argument here other than that by the time Blu-ray has reached mass adoption, the spec should be complete.
Is there any reason why the spec isn't completed now? I can think of only one, to get you to purchase another player in the future.
quote:
That's a stupid question. Both are companies out to take your money and make profit. I have no allegiance to one or the other
That part was a joke, since i don't really care who makes what. I care that i own HD-DVD and theres nothing to watch on it.


RE: another blow.....
By BansheeX on 2/12/2008 11:15:27 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Right NOW i have to shell out over $300 for a player that doesn't do anything my current $100 HD-DVD player can do.


$100 players is the REASON Toshiba had no manufacturer support. No business wanted to follow their kamikaze sales model. So you can't have your cake and eat it, too. If you want better industry support, you have to raise prices and get friends. If you want to try and firesell your competitor into oblivion, you have to forsake industry support.

Blu-ray is no more expensive than DVD when it was new, you're simply perceiving it as expensive in comparison to an inferior competitor that was cheaper to make, something DVD never had. And now that you've wasted hundreds of dollars on the losing format, you complain about expense? You'll end up paying the same overall in the end. I got my blu-ray player for $300, and when you get yours in two years, you'll have paid $150 for HD-DVD and $150 for Blu-ray. So you espouse savings, but you're actually quite short-sighted with money because you picked a rogue format with crap recordable capacity and lossy audio.

quote:
Is there any reason why the spec isn't completed now? I can think of only one, to get you to purchase another player in the future.


That conspiracy theory makes no sense because 2.0 makes ethernet manadatory. Ethernet, of course, is the conduit through which firmware can be updated.

quote:
That part was a joke, since i don't really care who makes what. I care that i own HD-DVD and theres nothing to watch on it.


Then why did you buy it in the first place? Brilliant consumer here, folks.


RE: another blow.....
By blaster5k on 2/11/2008 1:05:02 PM , Rating: 3
I was going to join Netflix so I could rent HD-DVD movies, but I guess I won't be doing that now.


RE: another blow.....
By sweetsauce on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: another blow.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 1:46:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Numbers already show that people with a PS3 don't buy movies, so maybe then rent?

That's a good question. It would be interesting to see the statistic for how many PS3 users rent BR movies instead of buying.


RE: another blow.....
By darkpaw on 2/11/2008 4:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
Count me in that market. I've bought zero blu-ray discs, but I'll happily rent them from Netflix.

The price of buying one blu-ray movie ($30) pays for 2 months of Netflix. It's really a no brainer.


RE: another blow.....
By dluther on 2/11/2008 10:49:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's a good question. It would be interesting to see the statistic for how many PS3 users rent BR movies instead of buying.


Okay, so here I am -- a PS3 user. I may buy a movie for every 50 or so I rent, but it may be more or less. It has to be a *very* good movie; something worth "owning" versus "watching".

Seriously, how many people have $30 a pop to buy blu-ray discs they may only watch once? I'm sure there are people out there like that, and the only thing I can say is it sure must be nice!


RE: another blow.....
By dluther on 2/11/2008 10:44:15 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Theres an obvious reason why blu does better on netflix. Its called the PS3. Numbers already show that people with a PS3 don't buy movies, so maybe then rent?


I have a PS3, and I rent *and* buy movies, just like I did with good ol' plain-jane DVDs.

I think your numbers are bullshit.


RE: another blow.....
By hubajube on 2/12/2008 12:06:48 AM , Rating: 2
I'm DEFINITELY not in the HD DVD loser camp but he;s right. Most PS3 owners aren't buying Bluray movies. Most of them don't even know there's a Bluray player in the console. You can find stats on this on the internet.


RE: another blow.....
By dluther on 2/11/2008 10:37:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In my mind Netflix and Blockbuster shouldn't have chosen a side. I'm not sure how much money this saves them, but this move is certainly not a consumer driven move because it removes consumer choice.


Netflix and Blockbuster are exactly the people who needed to choose a side. They're the ones that carry all the movies people rent, completely agnostic of who makes it. Also, they are the ones who purchase most of the movies, so they would have some indication as to which platform they should cater to the most.

Sorry if your HD issues are causing you grief; but I'd look for Movie Gallery to take the Blu-Ray exclusive train next as well.


uh, what?
By ElFenix on 2/11/2008 11:17:18 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
"The prolonged period of competition between two formats has prevented clear communication to the consumer regarding the richness of the high-def experience versus standard definition," said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer for Netflix.

the "richness" of the HD "experience" was "communicated" (i hate marketing speak) to consumers the moment they watched their first NFL game in HD.




RE: uh, what?
By Gul Westfale on 2/11/2008 11:24:48 AM , Rating: 5
yes, but did that leverage the technological prowess of these formats to create new synergies in the digital millenium? i think not. :)


RE: uh, what?
By crimson117 on 2/11/2008 11:30:17 AM , Rating: 2
The real problem: Consumers aren't buying many discs or players yet.

Doublespeak reasoning: Consumers have not had the richness communicated to them effectively [or else they would have bought players already]!

I don't see what he had to mask this in marketing language... no one would be offended by the fact that consumers aren't biting until we're sure of the format that will prevail.

And it's BS because whether there's one or ten formats to choose from, the richness in experience would presumably be equal among them.


RE: uh, what?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 11:33:44 AM , Rating: 1
More than likely the price of entry and price of movies is what is holding consumers back. "Format War" is not holding people back.


RE: uh, what?
By Mitch101 on 2/11/2008 12:22:45 PM , Rating: 4
I agree while it may appear we have a winner in the format war the problem is the players are still $350+ range meaning I and many others will live on Direct HD or wait until there is a $100 BLU-RAY player.

Had they gone with HD-DVD I would have gone that route and been buying movies.

What has happened because of the format war is that I realize I don't need to buy movies. I wouldn't buy DVD because HD was out. I wouldn't buy HD movies because there was a format war. The movie studios have kind of weened me off buying movies. Thankyou HD-DVR. I never really cared about additional content so in all the format was is saving me money. By the time I come around now since going the HD-DVR route movies will probably be on the $6.99 Best Buy deals of the week in the Sunday paper or just rent them when the players drop to $100. Of course now if many others like me are out there they will blame piracy for why HD movies aren't selling.

Thankyou format war.


RE: uh, what?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 12:31:08 PM , Rating: 2
You've got a point. I picked up a cheap HD-DVD player and have been pleased with it. On the other hand I have only purchased 3 titles (plus the 7 that came with the player). Majority of my movie collection is in DVD. Most of them aren't available in either HD format, not that I would re-purchase something I already own. Price of entry on BR players isn't helping either. I threw down about $150 for a HD-DVD player. The generally accepted magic number for players seems to be $100. BR will not pull any sort of widespread adoption until they can get there. Clock is ticking too since Cable/Internet providers are ramping up HD content agressively.


RE: uh, what?
By ElFenix on 2/11/2008 2:30:33 PM , Rating: 2
not to mention that not even a quarter of US households have an HD TV yet. (nielson report at the end of october was 14%. even if black friday and the holiday season resulted in a lot of new HD sets being purchased, i doubt an additional 10% of households picked up an HD set)


RE: uh, what?
By ATC on 2/11/2008 12:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Format War" is not holding people back


I don't know whose kool-aid you've been downing to think that. That's what the HD-DVD group would want everyone to believe and they've successfully fooled some, evidently, into thinking two competing incompatible formats is in the best interest of consumers.

However consumers this time around are a lot more informed than before with open access to information which is precisely why the format war is indeed holding back mass adoption.

Player prices will continue to go down as will the media. You don't have to look too far into the past to recall when people said the same thing about CDs and then DVDs and now this.

Are you one of those who bought that $3000 dvd-burner or the $1500 dvd player? Get over the price point please.


RE: uh, what?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 12:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However consumers this time around are a lot more informed than before with open access to information which is precisely why the format war is indeed holding back mass adoption.

Everyone I have talked to has stated price as the reason they aren't buying into it. Most of them want to buy into Blu-Ray but they arent willing to shell out the cash when they state that "Upscaled DVD's are good enough".

quote:
Player prices will continue to go down as will the media. You don't have to look too far into the past to recall when people said the same thing about CDs and then DVDs and now this.

Yes, and it was quite a few years after introduction before CD's and DVD's were adopted on any mass scale.

quote:
Are you one of those who bought that $3000 dvd-burner or the $1500 dvd player? Get over the price point please.

No, I would never pay such an amount for those things. My first DVD-Burner was $150 and my first DVD player was about $110.


RE: uh, what?
By Chaser on 2/11/2008 1:11:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Everyone I have talked to has stated price as the reason they aren't buying into it. Most of them want to buy into Blu-Ray but they arent willing to shell out the cash when they state that "Upscaled DVD's are good enough".


And that's just more HD DVD PR speak too. "Our players make great upscalers"? But most consumers don't even care or know about "upscaling". They will want their High def player and the guy at Best Buy won't have to spend an extra 30 minutes explaining the two formats.

Now thats a win that everyone should appreciate.


RE: uh, what?
By leexgx on 2/11/2008 1:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
up scaling on PS3 is off untill you turn it on (green button/options when playing an movie and goto AV+ and set it to Full) theres only so mouch you can do with an DVD when upscaling


RE: uh, what?
By sweetsauce on 2/11/2008 1:31:00 PM , Rating: 5
Now you guys are just being dumb. I buy a HD-DVD player because its CHEAP.

So far im not confused.

A movie comes out, but damn its only available in DVD or Blu, so i say to myself "screw it im not buying a dvd, and blu is do damn expensive that i won't be buying that player for a while, so i guess i just won't buy anything."

Still not confused.

More and more titles continue to come out on Blu only because the studios decided that me having content on my HD-DVD player is bad for me.

Still not confused.

At first i didn't mind so much since my player only cost me $100, but now im starting to resent those Blu guys for getting all the sweet movies that are coming out.

Still not confused, but i am getting pissed off if that counts.

Damn those HD-DVD PR guys!!!!!!!


RE: uh, what?
By Spuke on 2/12/2008 12:50:48 AM , Rating: 2
Even though Netflix bailed on me, I'm not pissed. I needed a DVD player anyways since mine broke and that $100 HD DVD deal was excellent timing. I have a HD DVR too and most of my HD content comes from there. I haven't bought not one HD DVD movie (the only one's I have are the free one's) although I was considering re-buying the Matrix series. Now that everyone is jumping ship, I won't be buying ANY HD movies in either format until the BR spec is ironed out AND the players get down to $100.


RE: uh, what?
By 777 on 2/11/2008 10:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

I don't know whose kool-aid you've been downing to think that. That's what the HD-DVD group would want everyone to believe and they've successfully fooled some, evidently, into thinking two competing incompatible formats is in the best interest of consumers.

However consumers this time around are a lot more informed than before with open access to information which is precisely why the format war is indeed holding back mass adoption.

Player prices will continue to go down as will the media. You don't have to look too far into the past to recall when people said the same thing about CDs and then DVDs and now this.

Are you one of those who bought that $3000 dvd-burner or the $1500 dvd player? Get over the price point please.


Amen! I couldn't agree more!!!


RE: uh, what?
By 777 on 2/11/2008 10:45:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
More than likely the price of entry and price of movies is what is holding consumers back. "Format War" is not holding people back.


Sorry to disagree, but this is plain wrong, two formats IS holding people back. Everyone I know has waited this out as they do not want to waste money on a format this isn't going to be around for 10yrs. DVD has now been around just over 10yrs, when it started as no seems to remember we had DIVX, this format didn't fly for various reasons, when there was one clear format consumers jumped in by the masses and prices went down due to mass production and competition for one format, not confusion over which format do I choose.

I will never say Blu-ray is necessarily the better format but both consumer and content makers/distributors are favoring Blu. Two formats is not helping the consumer in anyway and I said this before this is not like gaming consoles. There needs to be one format and the companies selling and distributing the product know this.


RE: uh, what?
By AlphaVirus on 2/11/2008 11:41:42 AM , Rating: 2
Its not marketing speak, its more of a professional demeaner. Would you like a company executive to say

quote:
"We are telling (communicated) you that it looks much better (richness) and you will enjoy it better (experience)."


That would not be a very appropriate way to say it. And I can agree with him, having multiple sides of the HD war is confusing the general public. To us (geeks/nerds/enthusiast) who know differences we can make a solid choice based on preference but the general public usually just follows suit like the ducks.

HD-DVD to most people is probably just like an upgrade to DVD but BluRay sounds like a NEW format/technology. Of course they (general public) all know that NEW is better. I am pro BluRay so I am loving this publicity, it helps the public know whats going on.


RE: uh, what?
By ElFenix on 2/11/2008 2:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
it's complete marketing BS is what it is. a format war is not keeping people from knowing that HD provides a better picture.

the whole statement is BS, from concept to diction. the format war isn't doing any such thing. it may be slowing adoption of HD capable players, but it isn't keeping people from knowing how much better HD can be.

you're not agreeing with him, you're coming up with a separate statement.


Netflix Should Drop Both
By aju on 2/11/2008 12:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
Netfilx should drop both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. They should pump more resources into providing HD content online. They already provide unlimited hours of movie and TV shows (7000 choices) online for viewing on your PC and they are getting ready to release a set top box so you don’t even need a PC. Most people willing to drop all that cash on a Blu-Ray setup would be better off getting a HTPC setup or buying the new set top box. Why spend all that money on media, postage and envelopes when you can just stream it? Then it would not matter what political games the studios play, you could have our HD anyway.

I am sure someone will complain that that would take too long to stream HD content, but that is a moot point because you have to wait a few days to get it via the mail so what’s the big difference? Microsoft already has HD content on Xbox Live, so it can be done. The worst case would be you might have to let it buffer for a bit, but even if you had to wait a day our two for it to download, it would still be faster than snail mail.

The cool part is that it would screw the hardware manufactures who force the consumer into buying unnecessary hardware because they are too greedy to agree upon a common format. For instance, if Blu-Ray wins, all the current owners of HD-DVD players will get screwed and they will be forced to by Blu-Ray which costs more and provides less features and no online content. Sure it may do so in the future, but current Blu-Ray stand alone player owners will be screwed as they have no hardware to hook up to the internet with.

I say Netflix should tell them both to %&*# off. Do not buy either and get your HD content online.




RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By Chaser on 2/11/2008 1:13:43 PM , Rating: 2
Netflix is responding to demand. It's profitable for them.

Neflix is lucky to not have you running their company.


RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By sweetsauce on 2/11/2008 1:44:43 PM , Rating: 2
For once i agree with you, they are responding to demand, but not in the way you think.
quote:
The company is partnering with LG Electronics to develop a set-top box that will allow you to stream movies from the internet straight to your television -- look for it in the second half of this year
Im sure they really care about how blu and hd-dvd are going to do.


RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By TerranMagistrate on 2/11/2008 8:18:44 PM , Rating: 2
Im sure they really care about how blu and hd-dvd are going to do.

As Netflix has proven today, yes they definitely do care hence their decision. Physical media for movies will continue to lead for quite a long time. Until we all start getting T1 connections to DL those 24GB+ movies.


RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By darkpaw on 2/11/2008 10:14:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'd hate to download 24gb on a T1, pretty much any DSL and Cable is faster then that except for the cheapest options.


RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By bighairycamel on 2/11/2008 2:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, have you SEEN the movie selection for online viewing? 7000 choices... of suck. Most of the stuff is B movies or 5-15 year old movies. The TV show selection is OK, but the movie selection needs improvement. It's not even worth mentioning until they start adding new releases, with which I'm not sure how licensing works.


RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By Oregonian2 on 2/11/2008 2:37:36 PM , Rating: 2
Actually that's the kind of stuff I get from netflix every week. Or even older movies (esp stuff from the late 60's and 70's). Newer stuff I can just see on DirecTV (where we've all the movie channels, many now in HD).


RE: Netflix Should Drop Both
By nemrod on 2/11/2008 2:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Netfilx should drop both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. They should pump more resources into providing HD content online.


Everybody has a fast internet connexion?


By TerranMagistrate on 2/11/2008 8:26:20 PM , Rating: 2
That's the unfortunate part for all the Blu-Ray haters: most people don't.

Full mainstream popularity for HD downloading on demand is not going to be a reality for a long time. With the way ISPs are charging more for bandwidth and such, this scenario has plenty in common with the HD-DVD format and none of it good.


touche
By 80Morphine on 2/11/2008 12:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was pulling for HD-DVD in this battle, but this is huge. Your average Joe Shmoe will read it as "if I ever want HD I better get BD"

Something tells me the HD-DVD player firesale they had recently was linked to knowing they lost Netflix.

As a consumer this news has prompted me to price the movies at the very least. I have never adopted new formats until the average movie price was no higher than $20. I think if SOMEONE can corner the market we will see a price drop. At that point it's whoever is in the lead wins.

This is close to over.




RE: touche
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 12:36:26 PM , Rating: 2
Depends on how stubborn Paramount and Universal want to be.


RE: touche
By tallcool1 on 2/11/2008 1:18:21 PM , Rating: 2
In regards to Universal, Paramount...
What are the details of their contract with Toshiba?
I remember there being a $150 Million dollar buyout for producing movies in the Toshiba format. Not sure which company, Universal, Paramount or both?
Are there any options for "either" of these companies?
When does this contract expire?
Is there a "get out of dodge" clause?

I'm sure they are not happy with how things are turning out. As more B&M and E-Stores continue to go Blu exclusive, it is cutting into thier potential profits.


RE: touche
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 1:29:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What are the details of their contract with Toshiba?

Nobody knows the details, it was sealed (like most business deals).

quote:
I remember there being a $150 Million dollar buyout for producing movies in the Toshiba format. Not sure which company, Universal, Paramount or both?

It was Paramount/Dreamworks that signed an 18 month exclusive contract with HD-DVD. Universal has been the sole iron-clad pusher of the HD-DVD format since day 1.

quote:
Are there any options for "either" of these companies?

There is rumored to be a clause for Paramount's agreement that would leave them the ability to break it after Warner-Bros makes the switch to BR-Only. However I don't think anyone outside of the Paramount legal department knows the exact wording of any clause should it exist.

quote:
When does this contract expire?

Sometime in 2009.

quote:
Is there a "get out of dodge" clause?

Not that anyone knows of.

quote:
I'm sure they are not happy with how things are turning out. As more B&M and E-Stores continue to go Blu exclusive, it is cutting into thier potential profits.

Universal who knows. Paramount, no doubt.


Sum this up in one word...
By bighairycamel on 2/11/2008 11:19:54 AM , Rating: 2
...Ouch




RE: Sum this up in one word...
By zpdixon on 2/12/2008 5:09:29 AM , Rating: 2
Best Buy now to push Blu as well
By baronzemo78 on 2/11/2008 4:53:38 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Best+B...

Awaiting Dailytech Mods posting about how this doesn't matter and HD-DVD will still win the war.




By goodstuff on 2/11/2008 5:06:31 PM , Rating: 2
Best Buy is by far the largest seller of HDM, so this is huge.


It is inevetiable
By Oroka on 2/11/2008 11:16:42 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone can see that HD-DVD is on they way out. There will be many more stories about some retailer or rental place going BD-DVD only. Final nail will be Walmart.




By TerranMagistrate on 2/11/2008 12:57:40 PM , Rating: 2
Remember the pre-PS3 HD-DVD v. Blu-Ray time? HD-DVD was heavily favored as the cheaper and, in several aspects, better format. Sales were heavily in its favor and Blu-Ray was far behind.

All that changed in late November 2006. Sony saw the boost PS2 gave the DVD format and they took advantage of that. Finally they have a format that is becoming mainstream instead of disappearing into obscurity like plenty of attempts in the past.





By Rhodenator on 2/12/2008 3:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
I was signed up with BlockBuster Online since about the time they first created the service. I loved it, I was paying less then $20/month for 3 movies at a time (plus being able to return them locally when that became available).

Back on Wal-Marts Secret Black Friday (or was that Thursday) deal, I went ahead and purchased an HD-DVD player for $100 with 7 movies (great deal to me).

I get home and notice BlockBuster doesn't carry ANY HD-DVD movies and only Blu-ray, so I switch over to NetFlix. Just within in the last month we've been getting horrible service (Movies come in one at a time per week), but I noticed they were HD-DVD's...

Now after reading this article, I realize that I wish I was with BlockBuster again. Not only were they fast, but they were actually cheaper. Unfortunately I can't come back to BlockBuster for the same price, so who knows now...

I just hate NetFlix's decision, I'm probably the rare one, but I don't want to buy a Blu-Ray player until they are down to $100 - $150, and since that won't happen for a while (IMHO) because of the HD-DVD format loss (losing/whatever), I feel screwed. Back to watching DVD's until I shell out tons of cash for a player.. I don't mind spending $300 - $400 on a player, but it better be a top-notch one and we're too early in the game to see (with competition).

enough of my rant, I-H8-U-NetFlix.com




By zaki on 2/11/2008 2:54:19 PM , Rating: 1
well.. suck it hd-dvd!!!!!!!

i really mean that, hd-dvd was trying to get users to settle for a lesser technology (probably one of the reasons why blu ray is in a better position right now)

with new tech, its either go all the way, and if that doesnt work, skip to the next level.

an example is the amd phenom 9900 series cpus, since they were unable to manufacture those, they just skipped their efforts to the next cpu 9950. hd-dvd was always a lesser technology, similar to xbox 360's history of half-assery (which microsoft has admitted, so please no counter-argument s fanboys).

now im just hoping downloading services get quick enough that i dont have to buy blu-ray,haha




Pathetic...
By Chiggs on 2/11/2008 6:57:17 PM , Rating: 1
Everytime I read a Dailytech article about this format war, the usual suspects are around, playing up there soon-to-be dead format.

Get over it, you schills.




What was that I just heard....?
By ATC on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
Blu ray won!
By IntelGirl on 2/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: Blu ray won!
By deeznuts on 2/11/2008 1:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
How can Blu-Ray win? As we all know, and have heard all year, price will win this war. When plyers hit $200. When players hit $100. When you can buy them at supermarkets! And porn! And Blu-Ray is not even finished yet, it's beta.

HD DVD is definitely going to win, you'll see.


RE: Blu ray won!
By Chaser on 2/11/2008 1:31:55 PM , Rating: 2
Nice troll try there. But who knows, there was a guy on the Titanic that was shouting "stay put and remain calm. Help is on the way".


RE: Blu ray won!
By leexgx on 2/11/2008 1:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
Blu-Ray is an better format its single layer disk holds 5gb less then HD-dvd Dual layer disk and BD 50GB you sould be able to fit any thing you want onto it so be alot cheaper to use as well for the customers

just price thats an little high at this time (i recommend the PS3 as its still cheaper then the BD players and alot of BD players i have used are shit (do not get an sony BD player) i whent into an sony shop and it was takeing 2 mins to Start the disk after inserted where as my PS3 i put it in and its there ready in less then 10 secs)


RE: Blu ray won!
By wolfpack1825 on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Blu ray won!
By nemrod on 2/11/2008 2:29:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
When Blue Ray hit's 2.0, what are you PS3 fan boys going to do?


lol worst example


RE: Blu ray won!
By wolfpack1825 on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Blu ray won!
RE: Blu ray won!
By TerranMagistrate on 2/11/2008 8:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
I'll say it for him: "OOPS".


RE: Blu ray won!
By SavagePotato on 2/11/2008 4:44:07 PM , Rating: 1
I don't know what all the other ps3 owners are going to do, but personally I'm going to go with updating my firmware when the 2.0 enabled firmware comes out.

You know it's funny I remember hearing this same troll about the 1.1 firmware that was NEVER going to be available for ps3.

I wish you would come over to the isp I work for and wave your magic bandwidth wand, giving us the unlimited bandwidth for people to download movies to their hearts content all month long.


RE: Blu ray won!
By wolfpack1825 on 2/11/2008 7:00:19 PM , Rating: 2
Your not that informed on leading edge of tech.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Analysis_Will_stre...

The future of streaming is already endorsed by your ISP and they plan on having it in full swing with IPTV and digital networks in 2009. Blue ray looks so appealing :P


RE: Blu ray won!
By SavagePotato on 2/12/08, Rating: 0
RE: Blu ray won!
By wolfpack1825 on 2/12/2008 11:40:07 AM , Rating: 1
No one cares about you, move on!


RE: Blu ray won!
By SavagePotato on 2/12/2008 6:22:22 PM , Rating: 1
Go back to troll college, you fail.


RE: Blu ray won!
By wolfpack1825 on 2/12/2008 7:04:34 PM , Rating: 2
Call the kettle black, look who's trolling :P


RE: Blu ray won!
By SavagePotato on 2/13/2008 3:15:17 PM , Rating: 1
Yes thats right, you. I can see just fine who is thanks.


RE: Blu ray won!
By mac2j on 2/11/2008 2:34:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How can Blu-Ray win? As we all know, and have heard all year, price will win this war. When plyers hit $200. When players hit $100. When you can buy them at supermarkets! And porn!


I bought my Sony BDP-300 for $225... you can buy an internal BD player for $179. With the laser shrink we'll see $100-200 players before summer.

AND the porn industry is starting to release their bigger titles in BD now .... even they can read the writing on the wall.

HD-DVD is over ... its just a pain we have to endure these long drawn out death throes courtesy of Paramount and Universal.

Want proof? Walk into your local Circuit City or Best Buy and play stupid - tell the salesperson youre looking for an HD player for your LCD .... 90% of them will tell you "Buy a Blu-ray player, HD-DVD is dead".

At this point HD-DVD players can get as cheap as they want -no one is going to buy something thats going to be a useless relic (other than upscaling) in a year.


RE: Blu ray won!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/11/2008 2:37:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Want proof? Walk into your local Circuit City or Best Buy and play stupid - tell the salesperson youre looking for an HD player for your LCD .... 90% of them will tell you "Buy a Blu-ray player, HD-DVD is dead".

Not interested in the rest of the post but I think (as a former best buy employee) I should point out that sales people at electronic retailers are mostly clueless or will sell you on the highest margin.


RE: Blu ray won!
By nemrod on 2/11/2008 5:26:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not interested in the rest of the post but I think (as a former best buy employee) I should point out that sales people at electronic retailers are mostly clueless or will sell you on the highest margin.


but

http://www.dailytech.com/Best+Buy+to+Push+Bluray+T...


RE: Blu ray won!
By TomZ on 2/11/08, Rating: 0
RE: Blu ray won!
By nemrod on 2/11/2008 5:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
obviously not but despite those margins considerations, did you really think it's good for their image (and then future sales) to sell now hardware that is knew to have no future?


RE: Blu ray won!
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/12/2008 8:35:48 AM , Rating: 2
Best Buy has been pushing Blu-Ray as long as it's been around. Margins run the best buy machine.


RE: Blu ray won!
By zaki on 2/11/2008 3:01:33 PM , Rating: 2
haha, keep dreaming,

price? "as we all have heard" wow thats a pretty stupid statement, I havent heard anybody say definitively that price is going to settle the war. hasnt hd-dvd been cheaper than blu-ray all this time? so why hasnt hd-dvd already become the choice of "everybody" who has heard of this statement?

I think the hd-dvd camp is just being stubborn, the sooner they switch the better it will be for everybody,
hell everyone would make more money if there was only one format
and hd-dvd sales are not as hot has toshiba and the rest would hope.


RE: Blu ray won!
By sweetsauce on 2/11/2008 4:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
Its called content. Why is that so hard for people to understand? If the studios went in reverse and most of the content was available exclusively on HD-DVD, blu would be dead long ago. That is a FACT.


RE: Blu ray won!
By TerranMagistrate on 2/11/2008 8:33:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's also called marketing and risk-taking of which Toshiba and their partner Microsoft (Xbox 360) did little. Too bad.


RE: Blu ray won!
By samadhifc on 2/11/2008 9:17:59 PM , Rating: 2
...and I'd be perfectly fine with that because I would still have a dedicated HD video game system (PS3) and wouldn't be whining about picking up an inexpensive stand-alone player for my movies.


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