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Dell has since removed the above disclaimer from its website.

Dell directs customers to retail stores if they want AMD systems

AMD-powered Dell Vostro 1000
Dell says goodbye to AMD-based Inspirons on Dell.com

It appears that the AMD-Dell relationship may soon be coming to an end – at least online. Dell was rumored for years to consider switching to AMD processors for its computers, but the company constantly denied the rumors.

Dell finally broke the news to the world in May of 2006 when it announced that it would sell AMD-based servers to the public. The company followed with AMD-based desktop and notebook computers.

All seemed to be well with the AMD-Dell partnership -- until now. Dell appears to be in the process of removing AMD-powered machines from its website. Although machines like the Latitude D531, Vostro 1000, and Optiplex 740 are still currently available online, Dell put this cautionary note at the top of the search page for anyone looking for an AMD system:

Shop for Dell computers with AMD processors in retail stores. See our retail partners for details.

Computers with AMD processors are not available online.

This move would be a big blow to AMD, which relished the opportunity to partner with a big-name OEM like Dell -- a company that it tried for years to crack.

Customers who wish to purchase AMD-based Dell machines in the future will instead have to go to brick-and-mortar stores like Best Buy, Staples, Wal-Mart or Sam's Club. Any exposure is better than none, but Dell derives the vast majority of its sales from its online business so AMD will clearly be missing out.

The news of Dell giving AMD the boot online couldn't come at a worse time for the Sunnyvale, CA-based company. AMD reported 2007 revenue of $6.012 billion and a net loss of $3.379 billion. AMD is still struggling with the remnants of its 2006 purchase of ATI -- ATI is also now worth 30% less than AMD's original purchase price.

Dell has also had a mixed bag of news in the past few months. The computer giant was able to slip past HP as the top computer marker in the U.S. for 2007. Dell commanded 31.4% of the U.S. market last year compared to 26.1% for HP.

On the other hand, Dell announced the decision to close its Canadian call center resulting in the loss of 900 jobs and close all 140 of its Dell Direct Store kiosks around the U.S.

Updated 2/8/2008
We recently spoke with a Dell representative Anne Camden who wished to clarify the recent happenings on Dell's website. First of all, Dell has since removed the "Computers with AMD processors are not available online" disclaimer from its website. Whether this was a slip-up on Dell's part remains to be seen.

Secondly, Dell Latitude, Vostro and Optiplex systems using AMD processors will continue to be made available on Dell's website.

Finally, AMD-based Inspiron notebooks will no longer be offered on Dell.com. Only the Energy Star 4.0 Inspiron 531 desktop lives on through Dell.com. Inspiron notebooks and the rest of the Inspiron desktop family will only be available from retail stores such as Wal-Mart and Staples.



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Whoops
By kosmokenny on 2/8/2008 8:48:27 AM , Rating: 5
Dell really missed the boat with the AMD thing. They let about two and a half years of Athlon 64 and Opteron dominance slip by them and then didnt pick up AMD until Core 2 Duo came out. Youd think a company like Dell would be able to react a little faster to the market. On the plus side, if Dell is going to dump them, it probably means AMD is coming out with something awesome soon.




RE: Whoops
By Chadder007 on 2/8/2008 8:58:48 AM , Rating: 4
Or Intel paid Dell off again to just use their processors. But yes they were way late to the boat.


RE: Whoops
By omnicronx on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Whoops
By FITCamaro on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Whoops
By King of Heroes on 2/8/2008 1:07:20 PM , Rating: 4
"Intel is paying off the entire human race in order to crush AMD!"

Its amazing how common this steaming pile of anti-logic is.

The other, infinitely more sensible, explanations I've heard are that AMD is trying to renegotiate the very sweet deal they gave Dell (and this is Dell's reaction to that), or it could be because that, at near equal price points and configurations, Intel is just a better performer.


RE: Whoops
By Hulk on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Whoops
By Samus on 2/8/2008 8:24:32 PM , Rating: 3
Right, it really worked out for Intel. They literally 'bought' time from Dell to catch up to AMD. Dell was the largest computer manufacture in the world during those years, and there's no doubt Intel needed to force NetBurst crap down the pipe while they developed the Athlon-killer 9000.


RE: Whoops
By ImSpartacus on 2/8/2008 10:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
That makes sense. If Dell would've gotten their shit together and put some athlons in during the golden age, Intel could've been in deep.

I guess it's kind of nice though, we got C2D out of the whole thing.


RE: Whoops
By AntDX316 on 2/9/2008 7:02:06 AM , Rating: 1
all the AMD stuff happen so intel could produce the fastest processors on the market for affordability to everyone and performance for the government

such as probably why the middle eastern people r crazy so their can be global security measures learned from the situation

at the end all those will disappear and the world will be much better :)


RE: Whoops
By Pythias on 2/14/2008 11:58:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dell was the largest computer manufacture in the world during those years


HP was. Dell just recently closed the gap.


RE: Whoops
By edborden on 2/8/2008 9:00:28 AM , Rating: 2
"On the plus side, if Dell is going to dump them, it probably means AMD is coming out with something awesome soon."

Huh? lol


RE: Whoops
By Regs on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Whoops
By ATC on 2/8/2008 2:17:36 PM , Rating: 5
What he meant, I think, is that when Dell wasn't selling AMDs last time, AMD had the superior chips. Now that Dell won't be selling AMD again, one would think that AMD's dominance is around the corner in the form of a superior chip again.

It's funny but I doubt AMD can leap frog Intel this soon.


RE: Whoops
By alan328 on 2/8/2008 9:00:58 AM , Rating: 4
It sounds like the story of the "chicken with golden eggs".... but a even more sad version....
DELL see that AMD laid a golden egg in the morning... so, he buys it... waits the whole day and still cannot see another golden egg, so, he dump AMD when the sun just about to raise....

Wish AMD lays another golden egg soon!


RE: Whoops
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/8/2008 10:07:19 AM , Rating: 5
Logistics. This sounds like more of a logistics problem. Dell builds to order to the most part. Perhaps they were having a problem getting the number of AMD processors they needed. This way they ship complete systems for sale a retail locations, meaning users can get it same day (if that system is in stock). Intel can likely supply more processors based on demand and Dell finds this better for their online model. Maybe Dell was just having problems stocking enough AMD chips leading to delays with online orders.

I suspect it will be a few days before we find out the exact reasoning behind this move.


RE: Whoops
By Pandamonium on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Whoops
By Ratwar on 2/8/2008 11:40:23 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it has to be a warehousing problem. Building to order means that you need a large number of parts available in house at any given time. If AMD was unable to provide a constant source of processors, Dell would be forced to drop them, especially if other OEMs (think HP) are getting the first crack at any AMD processors (which is probably what's happening as HP is slightly bigger, and has been in AMD's corner longer).


RE: Whoops
By DigitalFreak on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Whoops
By Lord 666 on 2/8/2008 11:03:37 AM , Rating: 3
Or Dell waited until Core 2 Duo was ready on purpose.

Why? So they can show that they tried to sell AMD CPU products, but the market was not there since Intel had a superior product.


RE: Whoops
By crimson117 on 2/8/2008 11:59:01 AM , Rating: 3
I believe that was entirely intentional. When Intel couldn't compete vs. AMD's offerings, they used their monopoly power to force Dell to stay Intel-only. Once Intel regained the performance crown with Core 2, they "gave in" and let AMD into the game.

I hope AMD continues their anti-trust lawsuit against Intel. It's not enough that Intel eventually let loose its grip on Dell and other manufacturers. They need to pay for their past crimes, too.

http://breakfree.amd.com/en-us/anti_highlights.asp...


RE: Whoops
By kilkennycat on 2/8/2008 12:08:02 PM , Rating: 1
Or maybe Dell is just a little faster off the mark these days and sees the writing on the wall before the wall falls on them. Dell is just making room for a whole raft of products based on the Intel 45nm processor family. I do indeed agree that Dell indeed totally missed the boat with the AMD X2 family but times have indeed changed since then, thanks to AMD management incompetence starting with the purchase of ATi. Core2 was released 3 months before the ATi purchase was finally consummated... with $2billion of BORROWED money. The Core2 threat was obvious to all, including AMD. They could have withdrawn from the ATi purchase, but they let their ego over-ride any common-sense. Strapped for cash and with the distractions of integrating ATi's business, the AMD processor-development effort and AMD's investment in new processes has been suffering since the ATi acquisition.

Fast forward to today, with AMD having lost $3.3 billion in 2007, including a $1.3billion write-down of the ATi acquisition. A move to 45nm is the only hope for any market penetration by Barcelona/Phenom, and that does not seem to be coming for at least a year... Intel was publicly demonstrating fully functional Penryn processors a year ago.... With the move to 45nm and its economies of scale, besides the enhanced performance, Intel can crush AMD on price whenever they choose and still make great profits. And if AMD cannot make a profit on their processors, where can they get the development cash for next-gen processors and new silicon processes ? Borrow it ? Ha, ha, ha............


RE: Whoops
By adiposity on 2/8/2008 2:38:52 PM , Rating: 3
Dell did what was best for Dell, period. When AMD was dominating, Intel paid off Dell to use their slightly worse processors. As soon as they were in the performance lead again, they had to need to squeeze AMD by flooding Dell with cheap processors. So they stopped, and Dell began to take advantage of AMD's low priced processors. They deliberately did not pander to whomever had the ability to demand high prices. Thus they deliberately "missed the boat" because AMD's high performance processors did not save them any money.

-Dan


RE: Whoops
By Noya on 2/9/2008 1:07:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dell really missed the boat with the AMD thing. They let about two and a half years of Athlon 64 and Opteron dominance slip by them and then didnt pick up AMD until Core 2 Duo came out.


If I recall correctly, Intel was pulling a mafia type move pressuring them NOT to buy AMD cpu's in large numbers.


Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 9:51:25 AM , Rating: 1
I scratch build my own rigs. I think if I bought a Dell and it wasn't a laptop I would get beat up by the IT staff in the parking lot.

Laptops strangely enough I hear of a lot of people buying Apples and putting Windows on them. A lot of people like the Apple hardware. Of course Steve Jobs would have you believe its for his OS Leopard. Dell still makes decent laptops and the 45nm Intel chips well you cant fault them for going with Intel. Intel thought Phenom was a laptop CPU and Intel went all out on producing a product for laptops so its no wonder that Intel has the best laptop chips now. Nothing is stopping you from buying an HP, Gateway, Acer, Toshiba, etc. Dell isn't the only company out there.

Server side well Intel does have the upper hand by a decent margin right now by 2 generations of cpu's over Opteron and Phenom isn't up to speed yet and while we expect an increase when they go to 45nm well is it going to be enough. I have my E8400 running at 4ghz and its nearly at default core voltage and 3.6ghz on stock. I would imagine they are capable of doing the same with Quad cores. The Conroe is faster than Phenom and so is the newer generation Wolfdale and soon Yorkfield in QTY mainly because AMD cant produce faster Phenoms. Sure Phenom scales better but it doesnt do an ounce of good if they cant get them up to speed. AMD doesn't need a price war because the server side looks for something more and servers generally have to last 3+ years in an IT infrastructure so you need top end. AMD is great but if I have to live with a server for 3-5 years I'm getting a top end performer not a budget performer because most places over extend the life of the machine and eventually overtax its ability before they approve a budget to get new equipment.

LOL I wouldnt be surprised though if AMD with the TRI-Core and shift to 45nm didn't catch Intel again but I don't think were going to see AMD leapfrog Intel like they did with the Opteron over the P4. If they do then its sales for HP and IBM. That may happen with Bull Dozer but that is what late 2009/2010?

All is not bad. ATI is making some of the best graphics chips and low powered/Cool in a long time and I certainly see that if they dont use AMD cpu's they will most certainly use ATI graphic chips for laptops and desktop systems. AMD loses the CPU area to Dell but will gain in the GPU market.

Remember this DELL is the Number 2 company behind HP. HP is still using AMD. There is nothing superior about a Dell server over an HP server. IBM still makes a great box as well. I think if your company is a Dell only shop then someone in finance is pretty lazy or getting some free LCD's/Speakers from Dell on the side. Yes Dell kicks back to even the smallest of companies that purchase their products.




RE: Who buys a Dell?
By DigitalFreak on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Who buys a Dell?
By drebo on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 1:28:39 PM , Rating: 3
Are there this many idiots on this site now? I scratch build my own personal computer but we purchase from several vendors.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Chaser on 2/8/2008 12:45:54 PM , Rating: 2
Having to resort to ignorant name calling doesn't attest to your vast global "business" knowledge either. The guy was simply sharing an observation with his experience.

Lighten up.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By AntDX316 on 2/9/2008 7:04:29 AM , Rating: 2
i have a dell M1710 cause its awesome cause u cant build a laptop ur self and its stylish (LEDs and design) without the crazy designs like alienware


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By boogle on 2/8/2008 11:15:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Intel thought Phenom was a laptop CPU and Intel went all out on producing a product for laptops so its no wonder that Intel has the best laptop chips now.


Erm, no. The latest CPUs are based off of the original Pentium M core, which itself is a heavily modified Pentium 3 Tualtin (which is based off the Pentium Pro). The Pentium M was released in 2003.

In essence the Penium M would have come about regardless of Phenom, Intel did not expect Phenom to be a mobile CPU - no one did, AMD themselves had been talking a LOT about their new desktop CPU after Core 2 came out. The latest mobile CPUs being based off of Core 2s, which themselves are based off of Dothan (mobile). In short - Intel don't have a strong mobile CPU, they have a strong CPU architecture full stop that scales well not only with power usage, but performance too.

The other stuff you mention is equally 'odd'. Like Phenom scaling really well, well... not really. It scales OK, but no better than the Core 2 architecture which already has a significant head start. You mention ATI will somehow miraculously seed GPUs in systems. NV are now almost equal with Intel in terms of GPUs on the desktop - an incredible feat considering Intel's dominance of the market.

AMD/ATI aren't going to suddenly gain marketshare with their existing products. They're not as good as the competition right now, which means they will at best keep existing marketshare, but more likely - lose it.

They need to release new hardware that is better than their competitor's. Unfortunately for them, at this moment in time it is unlikely since both NV and Intel are almost a generation ahead. NV's 8800GTX released on Nov 8th 2006 has only JUST been beaten by ATI's new dual GPU graphics card. Intel are preparing to launch a whole new breed (Penryn) of CPUs before AMD have even released CPUs without the TLB bug.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 11:48:37 AM , Rating: 2
ATI has a much better chip for Notebooks than NVIDIA. I should have stressed laptop market but this kind of applies to desktops too. Desktop wise NVIDIA and ATI are pretty equal. X2 competes with NVIDIA's top end. On the desktop its equal but ATI parts should be cheaper to produce so AMD/ATI can offer a better price point than NVIDIA. The only time NV products really shine over ATI product is when FSAA is utilized.

Intel did believe the Phenom was a mobile CPU I was in a meeting with Intel when they mentioned this.

Phenom does scale slightly better than current Intel chips. However its obvious that Intel can produce a 3.6ghz cpu on stock cooling today. 4ghz is also within reach as I am currently running that today. That is nearly twice as fast as AMD's Phenom which is currently stuck around 2.4ghz but soon will get an increase when it goes to 45nm. I dont believe we will see Phenoms higher than 3.6ghz. I hope I am wrong for AMD's sake.

ATI is gaining market share that it lost to NVIDIA. ATI is going to gain a large portion of the laptop sector over NVIDIA.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Sazar on 2/8/2008 4:01:27 PM , Rating: 3
You were in a meeting with Intel marketing folks, perhaps, not with design engineers where I happened to be sitting.

The discussion was not so much what AMD was going to bring to the table, but rather what Intel could bring to the enterprise and client side and what steps Intel was looking to take to ensure a more modular design with lower TDP.

AMD chips in mobile solutions are not necessarily better than Nvidia's solutions. Nvidia continues to rule the top of the line wrt performance, especially with LOD turned up.

AMD's X2 has high power consumption for similar performance to a g80 GTX or Ultra, albeit at a lower price point. Figure out your own trade-offs there. It is a good part and a marvel of engineering for 2 chips on a single PCB.

Lastly, I have no idea where you are going with clock-speeds since that is essentially irrelevant in today's world. The issue at stake is work per cycle and unfortunately for AMD, the Barcelona design is simply not doing a good job. AMD is claiming about a 70% scaling and even then we are going to be looking at a performance deficit with Penryn based enterprise solutions.

Nehalem should theoretically expand the performance delta between the 2. Fusion is going to have to be the saving grace for AMD since K10 is simply not going to push Intel, other than on mid and low-range pricing.

Also, fyi, after Intel, AMD/Ati had the largest market share of mobile graphics cards. Quarter on quarter and year on year, Nvidia is the one that has been chipping away and has taken over 2nd spot from AMD/Ati. Given that Nvidia has multiple OEM wins under it's belt and has consistently delivered solid mobile solutions, what makes you think that AMD/Ati will gain back a large chunk of market share?


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 4:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yes Marketing. Be sure to smack one if this is not correct.

I certainly feel the low power consumption of ATI/AMD is going to be a big selling point to manufacturers.

I agree IPC is where its at. Fixed Phenom should be close to that of existing Intel cores in IPC. This leaves overall chip speed which Intel has a major lead on AMD. This is why I reference even if AMD can get the Phenom working properly it may not matter because they dont have the clock speed to bring it up to Intel speed.

I will wait to see Nahalem before commenting but I would agree that its probably not good for AMD until Fusion and that Fusion will make or break the company. IBM giving away 32nm manufacturing process information will be a big help to AMD.

The Market share lost to NVIDIA on the mobile graphics area I believe will be reclaimed by AMD. I know NVIDIA is having some issues with their next gen chip for heat and its certainly not ready to be put into portable devices. Current generation while selling well I believe NVIDIA is having some production problems. AMD/ATI has a better heat performance ratio than NVIDIA. Companies like Dell need inventory and NVIDIA is having trouble keeping with demand. This is good and bad. Its good they are selling its bad that it can cause shortages for companies like Dell who don't want to hear about shortages. Both are certainly doing very well but ATI has a heat/power advantage for the mobile area. Look at the integrated graphics chips coming soon from ATI/AMD they pack a lot more punch than what is coming from NVIDIA.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By xti on 2/8/2008 11:22:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD is great but if I have to live with a server for 3-5 years I'm getting a top end performer not a budget performer because most places over extend the life of the machine and eventually overtax its ability before they approve a budget to get new equipment.


thought most of their partners who look for server chips are worried about stability, not 8.0ghz.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Amiga500 on 2/8/2008 12:13:09 PM , Rating: 2
Why would you overclock a (mission critical) server again?


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Sazar on 2/8/2008 12:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's exactly why I keep down-voting this Mitch fella's posts.

Further, it makes absolutely no sense to me why a large company would NOT buy a solution from one of the large system integrators/builders, regardless of processor choice.

There is a question of a one-stop shop, warranty implications and support beyond standard. If you have a large company you NEED these things to keep OP-EX low and maintain OP-INC.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 1:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
Overclock a personal machine not a server.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 1:33:49 PM , Rating: 2
What part of this cant you read.
quote:
We don't overclock servers however its apparent that Intel CPU's have a lot of overhead and are being sold that way.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By boogle on 2/8/2008 4:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
I must have missed the part in the Intel docs where they say 'overclock our Xeons, its an advantage of Intel'. I'm pretty sure they're focussing on things such as price/performance, performance/watt, and overall platform longevity rather than how far you can OC.

Unless you're talking about the Extreme series of CPU - but they're designed for performance desktops. AMD have a similar series, it's called the Black series.

I'm having trouble working out where you're coming from tbh, you bash both AMD and Intel. Are you just being argumentative by bashing Dell in general? You say they only make decent laptops, then you bang on about servers, then you bang on about TLB errata, then you bang on about Intel OCing. Make a statement and stick with it, this squirming around pretending you're uber important with meetings with Intel staff regarding their internal secrets is just irritating.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 3:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
Here is some reading material to back my statements on why we wont put a B2 Phenom in the data centers.

BSOD Problems with Phenoms because of a bad core. - Note this is on AMD's website.
http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=...

More 3rd Core problems.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php...

Phenom Exposed! Shipping with flaky 3rd cores.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/248265-28-phenom...


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Sazar on 2/8/2008 1:35:26 PM , Rating: 1
Mitch, you do realize there are severe multi-processor limitations with the AMD processors vis-a-vis the intel processors?

There are also fundamental issues with memory, such as speed limitations and bridge setups to facilitate large-scale deployment. These issues were present with the Opterons and there are new issues present with the Barcelona based products that are continuing. The errata issues affect a LOT of people.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Mitch101 on 2/8/2008 2:10:00 PM , Rating: 1
We haven't purchased any AMD based systems in the last 2 years because of performance and as of recently the Phenoms because of possible reliability issues. Fanboism never should play a role in the purchasing of corporate equipment. We also benchmark the systems based upon the role they will play. We try for uniformity but really were not pulling parts from one server to get another one working anyway. We have a 4 hour response time for any part and hot spare servers to boot.

In addition with Intel moving into 45nm we can expect power improvements and cooling improvements which are important to data centers. This is an understandable move on the part of Dell. It also simplifies their lineup. We cant wait 6 months for AMD to come with their parts. Data centers move forward they dont wait for companies.

I hate that so many people think what Dell does is the end all be all. Its just Dell crack one open and its pretty much what you will find in many other companies boxes. Who cares if Dell doesn't carry an AMD lineup. If you want to support AMD just buy another companies product with an AMD inside. Why does it have to be a Dell? Get over it buy IBM , HP, Toshiba, Acer, etc.

Flat out I cant buy AMD systems because it will help AMD's bottom line when it can hurt the company I work for. Just over 2.5 years ago I built a test lab of 104 dual socket dual core AMD servers from HP. We put in a lot of AMD based systems then. Great machines but outdated by what Intel offers today.

I hope that AMD can make a comeback but them releasing Phenom with the TLB errata was probably the dumbest thing they ever did. Far worse than delaying the product another 6 months. I'm all for firing Hector Ruiz for doing such a stupid thing. If AMD makes a comeback in performance then Im sure Dell will carry them again.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Yongsta on 2/8/2008 1:59:44 PM , Rating: 1
I think Dell has great deals for the lower end market. I was looking to build a lower end computer on newegg for my father with monitor and found out that the dell came out to be cheaper. Two months ago (with instant coupons I found on some deal site) for $400 (after shipping & taxes) I got a Dell Vostro 200 Intel C2D E2160 (1.8 ghz, 2mb cache), 1Gig ram, usb keyboard, mouse, 20" widescreen lcd monitor, 80GB 7200rpm sata hd, intel onboard 3100 video (I had a spare 8600GT that fit well in the pci-express slot & didnt need a power connector as the dell power supply doesnt have a pci-express power connector), 16x dvd-rom, microsoft works 8, and windows xp (1 year warranty on-site service). My dad loves the computer & for the money I think it was a great price. Now for the higher end computer, that I built for myself (q6600, 4gb ram, 8800GT) it was cheaper to go the newegg route.


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By bobdeer1965 on 2/8/2008 2:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
READ THE ARTICLE PEOPLE.

DELL is still using AMD processors. Just not in the online Inspiron computers. But Vostro ect. WILL be available WITH AMD processors.
AND retail computers WILL have AMD processors in them too.

DUH PEOPLE READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE FIRST THEN POST


RE: Who buys a Dell?
By Yongsta on 2/8/2008 4:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
Take your own advice because I was responding to Mitch101 and not the article... DERR DUH


Sales
By RobberBaron on 2/8/2008 9:31:04 AM , Rating: 2
If something isnt selling you dump it, especially if its priced the same as something that is better. Intel doesnt need to deliver any extra rewards for selling there chip sets, they are the best today. Though I wonder if the graphics line ups for the machines are going to change as well.

A true telling moment will be if and when AMD release something that smokes Intel. IF Dell fails to re-introduce the AMD lines to there online store, then well, they are lining there pockets with Intel gold.




RE: Sales
By Griswold on 2/8/2008 9:46:41 AM , Rating: 2
Can you prove that AMDs systems didnt sell well for Dell (despite AMDs shipping volume increasing in 2007)? Or are you just an arm-chair CEO who thinks he knows how things are behind the curtain between Dell, Intel and AMD?

The fact that Intel has been subsidizing Dell for years warrants a certain amount of suspicion, thats for sure.


RE: Sales
By sweetsauce on 2/8/2008 10:02:39 AM , Rating: 2
Can you prove it did sell well and Dell is droping AMD anyways? Its called trimming the fat, and in this case AMD is a big wad of fat.


RE: Sales
By BladeVenom on 2/8/2008 12:26:17 PM , Rating: 3
Selling AMD based systems seems to be working for HP, and HP is doing better than Dell is.


RE: Sales
By RobberBaron on 2/8/2008 10:57:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact that Intel has been subsidizing Dell for years warrants a certain amount of suspicion, thats for sure.


Because of exactly that, I cant imagine Dell wont be prepared to back up there reasoning for dropping AMD from there online store.

And of course I am arm-chair CEO'ing. But that still doesnt discount my reasoning, if it doesnt sell well or its not as profitable, why keep it. Its always about profits and keeping in the black.


2 options
By MartinT on 2/8/2008 8:53:27 AM , Rating: 2
(1) AMD systems don't sell well enough.

(2) AMD isn't giving away its processors anymore.

Personally, I guess it's a bit of both.




RE: 2 options
By retrospooty on 2/8/2008 8:56:22 AM , Rating: 2
Yup... When they went with AMD it was supposed to be a price competitive alternative. In the end the AMD systems arent any cheaper,(from the several times I loked, the desktops were even more expensive) and they certainly arent faster. Why bother.


RE: 2 options
By The Jedi on 2/8/2008 9:23:50 AM , Rating: 2
If you go into a retail store AMD PC's are widespread and cheap. If Dell is selling AMD PC's at retail they are pre-built, so they certainly expect to sell them.


RE: 2 options
By sonoran on 2/8/2008 11:23:06 AM , Rating: 2
Well, none of us know what's really behind this decision, but it may be neither of the reasons above. Dell is very demanding, and may not be happy if they are having to tell customers "sorry, we don't have those AMD machines in stock." That doesn't just make AMD look bad - it makes Dell look bad. Dell is also very demanding on defect rates.


RE: 2 options
By clnee55 on 2/9/2008 12:54:49 AM , Rating: 2
I think I know the reason. I heard rumor from the boyfriend of my sister's friend that Michael Dell's son is going to marry the daughter of an executive from Intel. He used to date AMD ECO's daughter but dumped her because of her performance.


Outside US
By Griswold on 2/8/2008 8:45:16 AM , Rating: 2
In euroland, AMD systems can still be ordered as of now.

However, this doesnt make a whole lot of sense. Soon the (perhaps not so unfounded?) suspicions towards the blue team will surface again, because of this.




RE: Outside US
By TomZ on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: Outside US
By Griswold on 2/8/2008 9:40:46 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think its that simple. Over the last 6 months, 5 people from my circle of acquaintances went with Dell computers (sometimes against sometimes because of my advice). 3 of them went with AMD based systems because they were either cheap(er) or had better goodies for the price.

None of these people falls into the category of people who care about benchmark-performance per buck and buy Dell. Its the bottom line that matters to them because any of these machines will do what they need them to do for the next 5 years.

That also means, they could have went with some intel machine, but when theres a good but limited time deal with an AMD processor, people will also buy that regardless of whether or not an intel system "destroys" the AMD system in benchmarks.

I stand by what I said, it makes no sense. Its also not like AMDs quarter figures didnt show that they increased volume over the last year despite losses. Thats surely also thanks to Dell. Furthermore, Dell has no retail base in europe (and most of the world for that matter) like it has in the US with the listed brick and mortar shops. Thats something they'd have to build up first.


RE: Outside US
By StevoLincolnite on 2/8/2008 11:20:01 AM , Rating: 2
The reason being is Advertising, People can instantly see the "Intel" brand, and automatically place it as a "Good Computer" whilst an "AMD" Branded machine people are less enthusiastic about because it's not a common name used in the "Average Joe" world. - Thus Sales have always been less for AMD than Intel, and even in the god forbid, Netburst days.


RE: Outside US
By frobizzle on 2/8/2008 2:02:52 PM , Rating: 1
TomZ, great orator of FUD has spoken!
quote:
Dell put AMD and Intel systems side-by-side and on basically equal footing, and the AMD systems probably didn't sell well.

And what empirical data do you base this assertion on?

Please Tom, stick to what you are best at, being a Microsoft fanboy.


RE: Outside US
By TomZ on 2/8/2008 3:16:32 PM , Rating: 2
Think about it for a minute...do you really think that Dell would cut all AMD processors from online if they were selling well? That would be stupid.

I was basing my opinion on my own personal experience. I purchased a number of Dell computers last year, and I could see no benefit to choosing the AMD version. For example, I bought a couple of Inspiron 1720's, for which there was an AMD version, the 1721. But for the few dollars of cost savings, the 1721 had a Turion processor whose performance was not close to the Core 2 Duo performance, not to mention energy use.

So at the end of the day, saving $25 on a $1000+ system doesn't make it compelling if the system has 20% less performance. But within the "cheap at retail market," e.g., $400 laptops, the processor cost differential might be more compelling.


Make No Sense
By Trisagion on 2/8/2008 8:58:44 AM , Rating: 2
This doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it cost Dell more to sell AMD based systems via retailers, than sell them online? Maybe they're just out of stock. :P




RE: Make No Sense
By darkpaw on 2/8/2008 10:25:24 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, it does make sense. I think the systems Dell sells at retail are all bottom-of-the-barrel systems. AMD still really only has an advantage at the very bottom end.

While they are selling those super low end machines at Wal-mart, they often have better systems available on sale for cheaper on their website.

So this way they can ship all the super low end crap to retail while offering the slightly less low end parts on their website.

I really doubt they'd be dropping AMD from their website sales if AMD systems were selling profitably.


I, for one...
By bearxor on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: I, for one...
By JakLee on 2/8/2008 11:11:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
To those of you saying that AMD will come out with something to smoke Intel soon, I have to disagree with you. I believe Intel learned it's lesson. They'll never let AMD take that crown from them again and if AMD releases something that's significantly better than Intel, Intel will respond within 6-9 months, not 3-5 years


I don't think that is a valid point though. In this industry I am sure intel has a few tricks up its sleeve that it is not sharing yet to make sure it can react in case AMD or anyone who makes chips releases something crazy good.
BUT.....
In the computer field all it takes is 1 outrageous discovery and the whole thing can shift. I am not saying AMD has some super processor that runs on 9 gig 8 core with 64mb of cache per core & out performs the C2D by 123123%. But what I am saying is that R&D can find and make discoveries. Its drastically in intel's favor to make more discoveries as they have more money to spend. But ideas come from people and not always the ones who are making the most money. I think its always ignorant to say that just because someone is on top now that they will will always stay there & won't ever make a mistake again.
Even Via still makes processors, who is to say that while researching some low power design they accidentally discover an increase their speeds by 800% while cutting power usage by 200% and start releasing mainstream proccessors again?
LOL
What I am saying is simply this: A good idea may become a good implementation at any time. Intel would be smart to hold some cards close because they are the leader, In the event that any of the smaller companies that are out there find something in the future that changes the way we use computers they would have something to respond with. THAT is smart business and has nothing to do with WHO is currently making the best.


RE: I, for one...
By SlipDizzy on 2/8/2008 1:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with pretty much everyone on the fact that Dell missed out on the days where AMD was smoking Intel. But right now, AMD isn't doing much in regards to competition, at the moment, and there is no point in keeping them online.

I believe Dell will bring back AMD when AMD pushes out another "big thing." Although, I highly doubt they will ever "smoke" Intel again.

Either way is fine for me, I don't buy Dell PCs and I'll build a PC with whatever components are the best buy at the time.


Who cares about Dell anyway!
By Niteowler on 2/9/2008 6:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter what processor Dell uses. They always find ways not to get the most out of their systems by choking them off with chips sets or ram that's rated slower than the processor is capable of producing. Ever call Dell with a problem? It's not bad if you don't mind waiting all day or talking to someone who barely speaks english. You can't tell me that Intel isn't lining the pockets of Michael Dell in some sort of back room deal. It's company's like Dell and Microsoft that made me start building my own pc's and use Linux. I wouldn't ever consider buying a Dell!




funny
By badkittie1 on 2/12/2008 4:01:46 PM , Rating: 2
in the blog post it states that Dell systems using AMD are only available in Retail stores, however you can search Dell.com for AMD, and it comes up with several systems using AMD processors: http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=bsd&c=us&l=e...




Oh Bull#$%!
By Sulphademus on 2/8/2008 8:54:23 AM , Rating: 1
Dell screwed the AMD thing up big time.

AMD was whoopin Intel's P4 butt for years and Dell finally decides to go AMD right before the Core2 came out.
Was Intel's bribe not big enough? "Well, last year you paid us $1bil, and this year its .5 bil, so we're not gonna be exclusive with you but that will buy you time to get a better product out the door before we end our monogamy."

Perhaps the full sized kickbacks are back?

I like recommending AMD where appropriate but this lack of choice on Dell's part just blows.




RE: Oh Bull#$%!
By DigitalFreak on 2/8/08, Rating: 0
wow
By bond007taz on 2/8/2008 10:43:02 AM , Rating: 1
so dell is giving people a reason NOT to buy Dell? LOL. sounds like good business




well
By logaldinho on 2/8/2008 1:57:34 PM , Rating: 1
the good news is that amd processors will be available for the individual system builder since dell wont be buying their bulk anymore right?




Not Inspired By Dell
By teckytech9 on 2/8/2008 9:07:09 PM , Rating: 1
Passing up AMD, shutting down call centers, is akin to closing the door on its customers, to a point that some will decide to build their own rigs.

Take for example the Inspiron 531, (AMD AthlonTM 64 X2 dual-core processors up to 5600+) which uses a Gigabyte motherboard, and a cheap 300W power supply, and no support for IDE, PATA without a third party controller. LOL

IMO the market share of Dell is eroding to the likes of new system builders who will purchase from newegg.com or Frys to build their own desktops for a better "bang for the buck," than Dell can ever deliver.




bad timing
By tastyratz on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
Wow, so much for Phenom.
By IntelGirl on 2/8/08, Rating: -1
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