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The original 90nm Cell/B.E. package as found in the PlayStation 3  (Source: DailyTech)
PlayStation 3 CPU soon smaller, cooler, cheaper

In the continuing effort to advance production of the Cell Broadband Engine, IBM revealed yesterday at the International Solid State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) in San Francisco plans to migrate the processor to the 45nm high-k process.

The Cell Broadband Engine chip currently found in the latest PlayStation 3 hardware is manufactured on IBM’s 65nm SOI process, which was quietly introduced into the market with the 40GB PS3. The power consumption drop from the original launch model, which used a 90nm Cell/B.E., to the 40GB model made users take notice of the shift in manufacturing process.

The further shrink of the Cell/B.E. to 45nm will reduce power consumption by another 40 percent and die size by 34 percent, helping to cut costs. Current analyst estimates put the cost of manufacture per PlayStation 3 console at around $400, close to the MSRP of the entry-level 40GB console.

Even with the shift to 45nm, Sony may not immediately pass the cost savings onto the consumer. The PlayStation division finally turned a profit for the first time since the PS3 debut, a trend the company likely wishes to continue. In the long run, however, cheaper components pave the way for eventual price drops.

The upcoming 45nm Cell/B.E. benefits not only the PlayStation 3, as the chip in also used IBM Blade servers for industrial applications, such as medical imaging. Toshiba has also adapted the Cell/B.E. technology, which it calls the SpursEngine, for mobile graphical applications.

According to Ars Technica, IBM’s effort in shrinking the Cell/B.E. is done solely with Sony in mind. As the PlayStation 3 is the largest application of Cell/B.E. technology, IBM apparently tailored the smaller chip for cooler and cheaper consoles, rather than for increased performance and functionality. Such is hinted at an IBM document, stating, “To guarantee the proper operation of existing gaming software, the exact cycle-by-cycle machine behavior, including operating frequency, must be preserved.”

Such considerations for Sony by its partners are important for the console maker, as the company itself is getting out of the chip business. On April 1, Sony will be officially handing over control of Cell/B.E. manufacturing facilities to Toshiba. Sony also stated that it will cease R&D efforts on future 32nm chip processes, though it will remain active with Toshiba and IBM on future iterations of the Cell/B.E.



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great news
By HrilL on 2/7/2008 7:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
Now if only Sony will make a new PS3 with Full BC I'd get a new one with the 45nm chip that would save me some real money since I run folding @ home pretty much 24/7 and I noticed my power bill go up and I'd like to see that go down.




RE: great news
By Xerio on 2/7/2008 7:44:12 PM , Rating: 4
What's with F@H on the PS3? I am not criticizing, I am serious. What is the draw there? I really don't get it. I buy game consoles to play games. But that's just me.


RE: great news
By AstroCreep on 2/7/2008 7:53:55 PM , Rating: 3
The point is to use it to fold when you're NOT playing games.

Plus the Cell is much more powerful than a normal computer CPU; it can fold circles around any modern PC.


RE: great news
By hlper on 2/7/2008 7:58:43 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, I have wondered the same thing. Does the owner of the PS3 derive any benefit or pleasure from folding at home? Clearly a lot of people do it, but what exactly is the draw?


RE: great news
By someguy123 on 2/7/2008 8:16:23 PM , Rating: 5
it's to help a Standford group simulate protein folding in order to better understand it and use that knowledge to hopefully cure certain diseases. it's not really for personal gain unless of course you have a disease that could be cured with such knowledge.


RE: great news
By geddarkstorm on 2/7/2008 9:17:40 PM , Rating: 5
People can be altruistic, can't they? You don't have to do everything for personal gain and immediate pleasure; at least that's the theoretical gift that "reason" and "sentience" gives us, not that people have to act any different than what primal instincts compel, it seems.

It's basically donation of CPU cycles to science to further our understanding of the world, and thus our species as a whole.


RE: great news
By AlphaVirus on 2/7/2008 10:55:40 PM , Rating: 3
I have found that asside from helping Stanford, it is a great music player. I can tell you from first hand the wife loves it.
With the PS3 you can rip all of your music from cds or directly from your PC. I only have about 10 cds on it so far but I still have about 50GB remaining on the 80GB. With Folding@Home you can play music while it folds and you can choose what kind of music you want to play. I always leave it on Recommended because it plays music based on the time of day.

Trust me when I say this, around 9pm turn on Folding and just lay with your spouse, all the RIGHT songs will come on. If not for intercourse, she/he will appreciate you setting everything up to spend time with them.

Remember, when a gaming console brings a family closer together its a win-win situation.


RE: great news
By BruceLeet on 2/8/2008 1:40:10 AM , Rating: 1
lol


RE: great news
By feraltoad on 2/8/2008 4:45:44 AM , Rating: 2
When the Night Fever has begun, we don't have to fold it

That is by far one of the more bizarre posts I've read on DT. Now for some Binary Haiku.


RE: great news
By tastyratz on 2/8/2008 9:17:00 AM , Rating: 2
I think you are a mythical creature. Your like the toothfairy. Getting laid because you leave your playstation on is probably every high school students wet dream.
Knowing my luck my fiance probably be next to me at that moment and deathmetal starts up.
f@h is a great cause and I think its great they have it on the ps3. Maybe most people wont use it but having it right there in the menu makes it possible.


RE: great news
By AlphaVirus on 2/8/2008 9:36:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think you are a mythical creature. Your like the toothfairy. Getting laid because you leave your playstation on is probably every high school students wet dream.

Uhm, what?

I was simply stating that not only can you do the Folding but instead of having to create a playlist or put on a cd and skip through tracks or hoping the radio has good love songs on, you can just let F@H do the work for you.

Do you understand now?

quote:
Knowing my luck my fiance probably be next to me at that moment and deathmetal starts up.

Fool, read and perhaps you would not have to make nonsense comments. Depending on the time of day it plays certain songs. The reason I said 9pm is because it knows that is night time and it will start to play the slow/love/r&b type of songs. Now if you have ONLY deathmetal on your PS3 then of course thats what will play, but if you have music that soothes then you have yourself a winner.

And trust me, once you actually let her know how smart the PS3 is she will want to know more about it. Of course that only applies if you dont have a gamer chick like me. I try to find several ways to get her interested in video games.


RE: great news
By psychobriggsy on 2/8/2008 11:00:10 AM , Rating: 2
The reason I said 9pm is because it knows that is night time and it will start to play the slow/love/r&b type of songs.

I hope this is configurable, because whilst I have gentle music, at that time I really need to listen to harsh industrial noise.

Soft music is for saturday afternoons. Does it have that option?

Maybe the playlist method is best after all.


RE: great news
By PAPutzback on 2/8/2008 11:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
M TIVO Thinks I am gay.

Seriously. What if you and your buddies are playing Texas Hold'em at 9 o'clock and the PS3 thinks it is time to play sheet music. Creepy. I prefer Ratt over Barry White when I am looking for a flush.


RE: great news
By ImSpartacus on 2/7/2008 8:34:59 PM , Rating: 3
I am kind of skeptical about cell being better than a modern desktop cpu. But I think f@h with the ps3 is a good idea.

BTW- anyone have any info on cell's superiority to a modern x86 cpu? i'm not trying to criticize, I just would like to learn.


RE: great news
By daftrok on 2/7/2008 8:47:31 PM , Rating: 1
I think he meant when it comes to running folding@home, its much faster than a PC, which is true. Its almost as if the Cell Broadband Engine was MADE for Folding@home.


RE: great news
By geddarkstorm on 2/7/2008 9:18:24 PM , Rating: 2
I only have one thing to say to that...

dun Dun DUN!


RE: great news
By althaz on 2/9/2008 3:09:25 AM , Rating: 2
Except that it's still a lot slower than a high-endish GPU.


RE: great news
By Goty on 2/7/2008 9:39:19 PM , Rating: 3
The Cell B.E. is well-suited for the calculations performed in F@H primarily because it is highly parallel (the same reason that a GPU is incredibly well suited to the task), allowing it to perform many more calculations per clock than any modern x86 CPU. The drawback is that the Cell B.E. is somewhat limited in the types of work units it can compute when compared to an x86 processor.


RE: great news
By mars777 on 2/8/2008 8:24:34 AM , Rating: 2
If you take out the SPEs from the CELL processor you have a tipical general purpose Risc CPU. Not limited in any way on what it can or what it cannot. It can do anything a general purpose cpu can.


RE: great news
By Clauzii on 2/10/2008 5:29:13 PM , Rating: 2
Except that the speed of the PPC used in CELL is "only" comparable to a ~XP1800, I think it was.


RE: great news
By Ratwar on 2/7/2008 9:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
Basically it all comes down to being able to do massive parallelism in the Cell processor. Folding is probably just a lot of relatively simple calculations making it right up the PS3's alley.


RE: great news
By B3an on 2/7/2008 10:55:47 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly. The Cell is not more powerful than a modern PC CPU, it's just perfectly suited for F@H.
For PC based tasks even a low end Core 2 Duo would crap all over it.

John Carmack has pointed this out aswell, and that was around 2 years ago.


RE: great news
By B3an on 2/7/2008 11:05:36 PM , Rating: 3
I'd also like the mention that a modern GPU is superior to Cell with F@H because of it's parallel design. If you look at the most powerful processors on the F@H site they are GPU's.
But for non-parallel things a GPU and Cell will suck.


RE: great news
By masher2 (blog) on 2/7/2008 11:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
> "For PC based tasks even a low end Core 2 Duo would crap all over it."

Not quite. Cell does poorly on highly branchy code; it excels on any code that fits the SIMD model for which it was designed.

There are a lot of "PC based tasks" which aren't branch heavy, however.


RE: great news
By Clauzii on 2/9/2008 8:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
You should expect the Cell to be ~3 times faster than the current top consumer CPUs. (120 vs. 40 GFlops).

But as stated by others: GPUs tend to be MUCH faster for calculating, than anything else out there. I wonder why it takes so long to get drivers out that include math libraries written for GPUs...


RE: great news
By Clauzii on 2/10/2008 5:31:44 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, nedded to say the CELL used in PS3, since only 6 SPEs are avaiable to the user. (One is not used, and one used by the system.)


RE: great news
By Meaker10 on 2/8/2008 4:10:53 AM , Rating: 2
But not a modern GPU...


RE: great news
By omnicronx on 2/8/2008 10:04:37 AM , Rating: 2
The point is to waste thousands of dollars in electricity. Probably much more so than this research could ever be worth..

Why don't we all just donate the $200 a year it will cost you to keep your PS3 on, and let them buy their own set of a million ps3's.

nah... watching your ps3 fold proteins over the internet, wasting bandwidth and raising your electricity bill is much more fun :)


RE: great news
By TerranMagistrate on 2/8/2008 2:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
The point is you're talking out of your ass.

Unless of course you are on the Stanford team and can legitimately make such an assumption.


$299.99 PS3 sometime this year
By TerranMagistrate on 2/7/2008 7:29:57 PM , Rating: 1
My prediction is somewhere around the release of GTA4 or MGS4.




RE: $299.99 PS3 sometime this year
By daftrok on 2/7/2008 9:02:08 PM , Rating: 3
Unlikely. Right now the PS3 is in a very strategic position against its main competition (360). For 50 bucks more than the regular 360, you get:
1) 802.11b/g wireless card
2) Blu ray disc read
3) 20 extra GB
4) Free internet access to play games online (though the 360's online experience is obviously superior)

Now I for one would LOVE a price drop, but at the moment it doesn't make much business sense. Right now the PS3's rate of sales (not total sales) is higher than the 360. On top of that, with the 45nm Cell (in combination with the cheaper Blu ray diode) they can finally start to make a profit out of the PS3 and get back the money they lost with the Immersion deal and the Sony Battery Disaster of 2006.

Once their sales explode alongside its release of stellar exclusives (MGS4, GT5 Prologue, LittleBigPlanet, etc.) and then after that the holiday season, it would be a great time to consider a price drop. Don't forget that in less than a year after its release the price of the PS3 went down 100 bucks (a much needed price drop).

Now if the 360 will bring the price of its consoles down to the holy grail of 199/299/399 and the PS3's sales start to dwindle significantly because of it, then we would see a price drop sooner. Otherwise I wouldn't expect to see one this year (and believe me I hope I'm wrong).


RE: $299.99 PS3 sometime this year
By alifbaa on 2/8/2008 12:18:43 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know...

I read somewhere about an analyst predicting a price drop in April/May of this year. That was right after the last price drop. His premise was that as HD format prices continued to fall, the PS3 would be ideally suited to pick up a lot of customers while simultaneously reducing its per unit costs. With BR being the heir apparent right now and the 2.0 standard finally coming on line, the time is right and the technology is mature enough to put the nail in the format war coffin with a price cut.

To me, a $250 PS3 would be the sweet spot right now. $250 is the price at which people will really start jumping on for the media player/BR player capabilities alone. As a gaming device, it would be in direct competition with the 360 and would offer all the media features as a bonus.

Also, I don't think MS could respond with another price cut. They've hurt themselves too badly with the bad hardware and are already losing money as it is. Any price cut they could muster would surely be modest. I very much doubt that they could take more than $25 off the price without a big infusion of cash from MS' other divisions.


RE: $299.99 PS3 sometime this year
By DingieM on 2/8/2008 3:18:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, I don't think MS could respond with another price cut. They've hurt themselves too badly with the bad hardware and are already losing money as it is


Maybe you did not read the news that often, bud MS itself is making profit on the Xbox360/games division.
They have a large headstart with the shrinking process and have much cheaper components inside.
Did you read the news that MS had an even higher massive profit? They don't really "loose" money.

Also I continuesly get the feeling you guys only talk about PS3 getting cheaper with die-shrinks, while the Xbox360 is ahead and not standing still, MS will continue to improve the thing because they will and can, it is up to the pressure of the competition when it happens.

A year ago MS was already busy with getting to 45nm and I believe they already had some samples back then.

Wake up.


By PlasmaBomb on 2/8/2008 7:55:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
MS itself is making profit on the Games Division


That is the important point; Sony has also just started making a profit on the games division. The games division makes a profit on games and licensing. That is how the business plan works.

Chartered have hinted that products designed on the 45nm process - "are not likely to begin [production] until late 2008 or early 2009." (think 45nm Xbox360).


Now if only a new form factor will come.
By krotchy on 2/7/2008 8:06:44 PM , Rating: 2
This is great news. What I am really hoping for is a PS3v2 with a smaller form factor. The current PS3 is way to big to fit attractively into my media rack. If they would just drop the size a bit now that the are running lower power chips it would be much more desirable.

I imagine this is probably under development as we speak too, as Sony did make a PSP Slim and a Slim PS2, so its not exactly new territory to them.




RE: Now if only a new form factor will come.
By AlphaVirus on 2/7/2008 10:04:32 PM , Rating: 3
I like the form factor of the PS3. Why does it have to be squared, cubed, or boxed in any way to "fit in"?
I have mine sitting vertically next to my tv and it has gained alot of attraction from friends, family and neighbors. Not just because its a PS3 but because it does look fasionably cool compared to your typical boxed dvd player or cable box.

The main thing this form factor is good for is heat dessipation. If your PS3 is laid horizontal, you may not be able to stack 20 things on it but it has little to no heat issues.

The PS3's case was well desingned and I think they should keep it the way it is.


By krotchy on 2/8/2008 4:21:54 AM , Rating: 2
I am not suggesting you change the look of it. Just make it smaller :)

Take the same box and scale it to exactly 60% and its perfect IMO :p


Price reduction first... smart
By bupkus on 2/7/2008 7:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
The key to successfully competing against the other game consoles is volume.
With lower prices there'll be more PS3s in gamers' hands. This will result in game writers seeing more profit in writing for the platform.
The PS3 is already technically advanced enough.




RE: Price reduction first... smart
By TerranMagistrate on 2/7/2008 7:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
This is all about eventual price reductions...


By PlasmaBomb on 2/8/2008 7:56:36 AM , Rating: 2
it's just really hard to program...


By Clauzii on 2/7/2008 8:19:21 PM , Rating: 4
.. to ~120 overall is, well, pretty cool overall :)




PS3 is more than a game console
By crystal clear on 2/8/2008 10:05:19 AM , Rating: 2
This quote is from from the link you provided-

quote:
In other words, IBM's Cell shrink was made with Sony in mind; the chipmaker didn't take advantage of the shrink to make any performance-enhancing tweaks, opting instead to preserve the exact performance characteristics of the 65nm version, which itself preserved the performance characteristics of the 90nm version.


It doesnt makes sense preserving the exact performance characteristcs from 90nm to 65nm to 45 nm even though its a customized chip for PS3/Sony.
Why sacrifice performance gains if you can get it in the process shrink-anyway you are paying,so take the maximum out of it.
Sony can then use it from consoles to laptops giving it even a greater cost advantage/profit maregins.
Performance & price being the determining factor in both console & laptop markets,for marketshare/profitmargins etc.

Sony is in fact outsourcing its R&D to IBM & outsourcing its manufacturing of the chip to Toshiba & maybe assembly of the final products.
From cost reduction point of view its sensible,thereby enabling it focus on product design & marketing.
In such a stratergy Price/performance/profit margins/market share all these factors play a vital role.
Focusing only on PS3 is not the right statergy when it comes to Cell BE processor shrink,spread to notebooks & more.

This was back when Kutaragi was telling CNET things like "Cell will be the basic processor for building networks," and, "In addition to expanding its use in new applications inside the Sony group, we want to take it outside the home and expand it to a variety of areas."


I think Sony is forgeting the basics-what was PS3 designed to be & do, also what the Cell's role was as basic processor in Sony's plans

If Sony says "To guarantee the proper operation of existing gaming software, the exact cycle-by-cycle machine behavior, including operating frequency, must be preserved."

Then I would ask a simple question-"Is there not a software fix or solution to bypass this problem,if its a problem ?".

Just remember-

Though sold as a game console, what will in fact enter the home is a Cell-based computer.

The big feature of the processor is that multiple operating systems run on it. From the beginning, I wanted multiple operating systems to run on the processor simultaneously.

The Cell processor has a kernel called Level 0 at the bottom. This level is not disclosed and is kept secure. Level 1 handles operations close to the kernel, such as scheduling, the real-time kernel and device drivers. Level 2, which we call the guest OS layer, is for general-purpose operating systems such as Linux and PC OSes and operating systems for the Playstation. All operating systems and applications run on Level 2 or higher. Programmers can concentrate on their targeted area of concern without worrying about other operating systems.




By Carl B on 2/8/2008 10:28:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It doesnt makes sense preserving the exact performance characteristcs from 90nm to 65nm to 45 nm even though its a customized chip for PS3/Sony.
Why sacrifice performance gains if you can get it in the process shrink-anyway you are paying,so take the maximum out of it.
Sony can then use it from consoles to laptops giving it even a greater cost advantage/profit maregins.
Performance & price being the determining factor in both console & laptop markets,for marketshare/profitmargins etc.


Again, 'performance gains' are very much there; the chip runs a lot cooler, and it can run a lot faster. As far as IBM's purposes go, it has been improved. And in terms of architectural improvement, they have the HPC DP/RAM-heavy branch of the architecture they're working on as well.

But it is just so obvious that 100% performance parity must be maintained between all 'mainline' versions of Cell, as their primary target is the PS3. I don't see the drama here at all; the 45nm Cell can reach 6GHz at 1.15v, and 4GHz for wattage use under the original 90nm chips. To me, there's plenty of performance improvement headroom there for anyone that needs it.


ETA?
By Bigjee on 2/7/2008 8:52:10 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone know when this 45nm cell version is gonna be integrated into the Ps3? I hope its some time soon.




By Carl B on 2/8/2008 1:10:53 AM , Rating: 2
Marcus, the quoting of Ars on matters in which they are completely daft... it's making me crazy.

The Cell is the Cell; *of course* they're going to ensure full compatibility with previous versions... afterall is the PS3 not the biggest customer application? It would be absolutely ridiculous if the 45nm was not completely flawless when running PS3 game code. And obviously, the thermal and clockspeed gains alone make it a significant benefit to IBM in their blade applications.

And then completely parallel to that, IBM has their custom HPC version of the chip which will be released later this year... something that both the Ars and this article completely fail to mention, as if to further reinforce that IBM is completely ambivalent on performance improvements, when nothing could be further from the truth.

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/198




Title
By Aikouka on 2/8/2008 8:46:10 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not usually a person to complain about wording or grammar, but I came into here after reading the title thinking that IBM had already shrunk the cell process to 45nm and then the article says that IBM revealed their plans to shrink it. Really two different things =\.




By shrinking,
By Clauzii on 2/10/2008 5:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
It hopefully will not take long before a 32 SPE, 2 PPU CELL will come around.

Compared to the current upcomming generation of GPUs it would at the same time need to make a speedbump to ~5 GHz, to maintain competition in the "raw calculations performed" area.

Since IBM already have done +5 GHz on the first 8-SPE CELL, this shouldn't pose too big a problem for the big blue.




PS3 won with better technology!
By IntelGirl on 2/7/08, Rating: -1
RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By Cygni on 2/7/2008 7:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
This isnt a very good troll. If anyone falls for it, I will be depressed.


By phatboye on 2/7/2008 7:30:44 PM , Rating: 2
But you fell for it, and now so have I =/


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By omnicronx on 2/7/2008 7:26:58 PM , Rating: 2
So how much faster will your PS3 be? and how much money will you save?

Unless they drop the price, the only thing that will come of this, is Sony Gaming division keeping out of the red.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By NickWV on 2/7/2008 7:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
no increase in performance as stated by the article:

quote:
As the PlayStation 3 is the largest application of Cell/B.E. technology, IBM apparently tailored the smaller chip for cooler and cheaper consoles, rather than for increased performance and functionality. Such is hinted at an IBM document, stating, “To guarantee the proper operation of existing gaming software, the exact cycle-by-cycle machine behavior, including operating frequency, must be preserved.”


and the author states that he believes Sony won't cut the prices of the PS3 until Sony can make some cash... which is something I don't agree with. Sony is still 3rd in this round of consoles and they probably are going to want to do everything they can to sell more.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By HrilL on 2/7/08, Rating: 0
RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By techone on 2/7/2008 8:42:55 PM , Rating: 3
Impressive...now then.. check out the site posted and see if it concurs to your astronomical ability to know real time sales figures.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Enjoy.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By Bigjee on 2/7/2008 8:56:20 PM , Rating: 1
That dumb link doesnt even count Japan and countries like Australia etc. POS link in my opinion


By freethrowtommy on 2/7/2008 9:53:48 PM , Rating: 2
Did you even click on the Link?

It clearly says JAPAN and OTHERS in the counts.

Are you just another fanboy or can you not read?!


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By AlphaVirus on 2/7/2008 10:20:36 PM , Rating: 2
Lets just look at the TOTAL sales for EVERY system ever made.
http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=Wii&con...

Now this shows the total sales are in millions.
Wii - 20.8
PS3 - 9.8
360 - 16.8
PSP - 30.9
DS - 66.7
XBOX - 24
Gamecube - 21.5
Gameboy Advanced - 79.5
PS2 - 116

So if someone wants to make an argument, here are some numbers to work with.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By Pryde on 2/8/2008 3:06:06 AM , Rating: 2
Total sales isn't really fair to Sony or Nintendo because they released their products a lot later than Microsoft.

Look at the other graphs on vgchartz.com, they show that PS3 is outselling the 360 lately week by week. They also show that in the PS3 first year it has sold more units than the 360 in its first year.

All this despite the PS3 lacking title range, the 360 is selling a lot more games but when MGS4, GTA4, GT:Prologue and others hit the 360 is gonna have a tough time.

And now that Blu-ray has "unofficially" been crowned the HD format a price drop on the PS3 would knockout the 360.


By robertgu2k on 2/8/2008 8:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
One thing you might want to consider is that the first year of the Xbox 360 was EXTREMELY supply constrained.

Microsoft had trouble producing what was then a complex and advanced design (Xbox's 3 core CPU was bleeding edge for the time when 1 core consumer CPUs was the norm). In Year 1 it was extremely difficult to find an Xbox anywhere (like the Wii is today), it wasn't until towards the end of the year when supply was generally good in the stores.

Meanwhile Sony's supply in the stores in Year 1 was pretty darn good and widespread after the first few months.

So IMHO, comparing Year 1 PS3 sells to Year 1 Xbox 360 sells is useless for anything other than comparing how Sony was able to successfully ramp production much better in Year 1 than Microsoft was able to.

As for the comment of PS3 selling better lately week by week; that makes sense since it follows the law of diminishing returns. There are roughly twice as many Xbox 360s in the market than PS3 currently, thus largely those that wanted an Xbox at these prices have largely already brought one. Meanwhile there are still alot of people without PS3s and the recent price drops and prospects for finally a descent game library are causing the "wait and see" crowd to finally jump in.

I personally think it's a testament that a console with twice the market penetration of the PS3 and a year older is in fact still showing sells numbers that are within a stone's throw of Sony's at this stage. By all logic Sony should be blowing away Xbox's sells numbers by now.

Disclaimer:

::My Console Profile:: I brought and Xbox 360 and a PS3. After three months of owning the PS3 I gave it to my nephew. All it was doing was collecting dust in my entertainment center. I still own the Xbox and don’t care for the Wii.

-Regards


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By HrilL on 2/8/2008 12:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
I was not talking about overall sales. Of course the 360 has the lead its been out for a year longer go figure... I was talking about as of this year the PS3 is # 2 and the 360 is now # 3. That would make them second in my book. Since I base that on Current sales not overall.


By illhuntudown on 2/8/2008 7:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
Your logic is flawed.

I bought the 360 two years ago. Many did, too.

I bought the Wii one year ago. Many did, too.

The only thing left to buy this year, so my kids could play any game, was the PS3.

And you Blu-Ray boys, answer me this, suppose I have two TVs. One TV plays the 360. One TV plays the PS3, It (PS3) is connected to the better HDTV and better surround sound system.

Here's the question, the exact same game is on the self in both formats which as a parent do you buy?

My answer the 360 version cause as an adult I want to watch the Blu-Ray movies. I send the kids to the other room. I paid for this entertainment experience, so other you kids go.

Microsoft wins the console gaming licensing battle.

Food for thought that is for you PS3 one size fits all advocates.


By omnicronx on 2/7/2008 9:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
no increase in performance as stated by the article:


I was joking?


By Ringold on 2/7/2008 10:24:17 PM , Rating: 1
You, and your other DT accounts, have some of the worst average ratings I've ever seen. Usually ranting about Sony's vast superiority over all other companies, though occasionally you venture out and repeat Democrat propaganda or bash companies that seek to earn profit.

If you want my Sony-hating Republican profit-driven advice, I'd suggest chillin' out. :P

That'll be $10, please.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By IronReda on 2/7/2008 10:54:15 PM , Rating: 2
She wins because everyone couldn't see through the fact that this person wanted attention and the 15-some-odd replies will insure her entertainment.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By allnighter on 2/8/2008 12:23:28 AM , Rating: 3
Except that "she" is most likely a sweaty, bold 50+ year old
man, that probably also plays Counter Strike and constantly whines "... you wouldn't shoot a girl now would you?.." in order to get some 13-year olds all hot and bothered and confused while they're trying to AWP.
Funny $hit indeed.


RE: PS3 won with better technology!
By HrilL on 2/8/2008 12:54:03 PM , Rating: 2
You sir, deserve a cookie!


By viperiii on 2/10/2008 4:48:04 AM , Rating: 2
I think AMD should use the 45nm soon.. or skipped 45nm jump to 32nm and beyond!


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