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Sales shift further in Blu-ray Disc's favor after Warner's announcement

Warner’s announcement at CES 2008 regarding its high-definition allegiance appears to have an immediate effect on the buying tendencies of the consumer market.

Throughout 2007, Blu-ray Disc sales have consistently outsold HD DVD by a factor of around double; but starting the week coinciding with CES 2008 up to January 13, those numbers shifted noticeably further in Blu-ray Disc’s favor.

According to numbers from Nielsen, reported by Home Media Magazine, Blu-ray Disc sales were 85 percent of the high-definition split. The 85/15 split between the two rival formats represented the largest gulf yet, according historical data charted in the High-Def Digest forums.

Of the top ten best-selling high-definition movies for the week, all were Blu-ray Disc. For the major new releases on each format, 3:10 To Yuma on Blu-ray Disc and The Kingdom on HD DVD, the former outsold the later by ten-fold.

Although Warner will continue to release HD DVD product through May, the movie company has already put into action its separation plans.

The Invasion (Nicole Kidman, Daniel Craig) was originally slated for a January 29 release on both formats, but now the HD DVD version has been pushed back three weeks to February 19. The Blu-ray Disc version retains the original January 29 date.

An even bigger delta will hit The Assassination of Jesse James (Brad Pitt, Casey Affleck), which will release on HD DVD on March 19, while the Blu-ray Disc will street on February 5.

Even older movies from Warner’s catalog will see a staggered release. Twister (Helen Hunt, Bill Paxton) will touch down on Blu-ray Disc on May 6, with the HD DVD version on May 27. The late May release for Twister could grant it with the trivia of being the first DVD pressed and last HD DVD released from Warner Bros.



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Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By kusala on 1/18/2008 4:54:29 PM , Rating: 1
Really well lets take a look at SA player sales then and see how they look.




RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By RaulF on 1/18/2008 5:04:42 PM , Rating: 1
The Toshiba power slide at CES show they hold less than 50% something like 49.X% so Blu ray has been gaining ground on that end too.


By kusala on 1/18/2008 5:29:23 PM , Rating: 1
I am just saying ya need to look at both sides. I get marked down for that? Pretty petty.


By mondo1234 on 1/21/2008 12:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
Will Xbox go with BlueRay now? Otherwise, it kind of takes the "entertainment" area out of the purchase.


By BansheeX on 1/18/2008 7:49:29 PM , Rating: 3
If BD and HD-DVD stand-alones are both at around 1 million, from that you can infer that BD has far more "players" being used because the PS3 is at 7 million for sales and we know that at least 20% of those users currently use the blu-ray feature, and it is only increasing as people realize the feature. So you're probably looking at 3 million versus 1 million right now, and that would explain the software sales advantage when studio support was about even. The Warner announcement destroyed consumer confidence for HD-DVD and this 85/15 disparity is going to continue despite Warner not effectively switching until summer. No one currently believes HD-DVD or dual format will persist, so they are cutting their losses and refusing to buy additional HD-DVD titles.


By lopri on 1/18/2008 11:34:21 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
No one currently believes HD-DVD or dual format will persist, so they are cutting their losses and refusing to buy additional HD-DVD titles.

Wrong. (well, kinda.. )

You can pick up many HD-DVD titles for $5 per pop at eBay! Wish I hadn't sold my A30 and HD-DVD movies last year. :D


By Locutus465 on 1/20/2008 11:45:49 AM , Rating: 3
Why would someone like me who owns both BD and HD DVD stop buying HD DVDs? How is this "cutting your losses"? Do you expect HD DVDs to cease functioning at some point? Personally I'm not going to hold out for Paramount and Universal to go blu to buy their movies, if I want a title I'm going to juts buy it, that's that. Planet earth is also amazing on HD DVD, so I got that in red as well :)

Personally I prefer the HD DVD user experience to the bluray user experience, so for as long as I can I'm going to continue buying HD DVDs.


By omnicronx on 1/20/2008 12:50:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you expect HD DVDs to cease functioning at some point? Personally I'm not going to hold out for Paramount and Universal to go blu to buy their movies, if I want a title I'm going to juts buy it, that's that. Planet earth is also amazing on HD DVD, so I got that in red as well :)

Buddy i am with you, I picked up 5 HD-DVD's yesterday from Best-buy as they had already removed all HD-DVD stock from their shelves the day after the Warner announcement and had them all on clearance(I wonder what other stores Sony had to gargle to pull off something like this, I now wonder who sony did not buy out). I have a ps3 and an HD-DVD player, so I only see this as my own personal firesale of HD-DVD media. With nobody else buying them and all. Planet earth on HD-DVD is also the best looking title I have seen out there in terms of video quality. If you want to show off your fancy new HDTV, this is the movie to get.(Blue Planet on HD-DVD also looks better than BP on Blu-Ray for some reason, dont ask me why.


By littlebitstrouds on 1/18/2008 9:33:33 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, people tend to forget, marking someone down was meant for people who post overly offensive material... now adays it means, if you don't agree you vote someone down without even a rebuttle, you and you're cyber friends. It's pretty lame. Especially when it's DT people doing it half the time. If this site wasn't linked to anandtech, I wouldn't even care to look anymore, it's gone so downhill since the days it was simply a part of it.


By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/19/2008 12:29:04 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yeah, people tend to forget, marking someone down was meant for people who post overly offensive material


No, voting was meant for just that, if you like it, vote up, if you don't, vote down, that's all.

quote:
if you don't agree you vote someone down without even a rebuttle


You can't vote and "rebuttal", you spelled it wrong by the way, at the same time, you are more then welcome to try it if you don't believe me. Anyone that has actually paid attention to posting and voting can tell you this.

quote:
If this site wasn't linked to anandtech, I wouldn't even care to look anymore, it's gone so downhill since the days it was simply a part of it.


Feel free to stop dropping by anytime you wish.


By Belard on 1/21/2008 3:24:45 AM , Rating: 1
For some reason... I don't see a VOTE UP/DOWN button anywhere on any posts...


By nemrod on 1/21/2008 5:15:42 AM , Rating: 1
When you are log you have
"Parent | Reply | Worth Reading | Not Worth Reading "


By theapparition on 1/21/2008 8:05:57 AM , Rating: 2
You can't both vote and reply. Once you reply, your votes are lost.


By jkcheng122 on 1/18/2008 5:35:42 PM , Rating: 2
why would sales of SA players matter anymore when software sales are so lopsided?

why leave out the PS3 when it's clear there are a signficant amount of ppl (myself included) that bought the PS3 specifically as a blu-ray player?


RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By kusala on 1/18/08, Rating: -1
By BansheeX on 1/18/2008 7:35:03 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
PS3 sales will slow as SA blu ray and hd dvd will gain faster over time.


What amount of time? Certainly, not in the short-term, and HD-DVD isn't sticking around to "gain." It's pretty much a given right now that annual PS3 sales will continue to increase for at least four more years. That means over 30 million blu-ray players by 2011, and the percentage of people making use of the blu-ray feature can do nothing but increase with realization of the capability. HD-DVD studios have a 90% chance of conceding before the year is over and any analyst with a brain knows it. Universal and Paramount would be stupid to take any extra payout Toshiba offers them. It would do nothing but compromise a far more lucrative DVD-like era of profitability. A dual format future can't offer that.


By kilkennycat on 1/19/2008 3:45:40 PM , Rating: 2
Er, the PS3 is the only BR player currently fully compliant with the Blu-ray 2.0 specification. Not likely to go away as the premier Blu-ray player anytime soon. Sony has very cleverly future-proofed the PS3 as a Blu-ray player. A


By kilkennycat on 1/19/2008 3:55:27 PM , Rating: 1
Oops, sorry for the partial posting... and grrrr, why has Daily Tech no after-posting edit facilities??? Please see The Tech Report for the proper way to handle user-postings.

Also Daily Tech please dump this juvenile user-rating nonsense. It was originally intended to vote down postings with truly-objectionable content, not to be used as a cheap and cowardly smack-down by people with differences of opinion on the target-subject.


By SavagePotato on 1/19/2008 6:32:59 PM , Rating: 1
Ratings are great, I know I am doing my job at angering hd-dvd fanboys well when I see my entourage of angry little fans rate my posts down on the subject.

Ever hear the phrase, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Those bright red -1 posts stick out like a sore thumb to be noticed amid the sea of go with the flow mediocrity that doesn't ruffle feathers.


By kilkennycat on 1/19/2008 3:49:04 PM , Rating: 2
Er, the PS3 is the only BR player currently fully compliant with the Blu-ray 2.0 specification. Not likely to go away as the premier Blu-ray player anytime soon. Sony has very cleverly future-proofed the PS3 as a Blu-ray player. At its current $399 price-point,and fully Blu-ray 2.0 compliant, and because of its internal processing power (and upgradeability) likely to be future-proofed against updates to the BR2.0 specification, the device is a "steal". Why buy any of the current generation of "dumb" stand-alone Blu-ray players?


RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By bhieb on 1/18/2008 5:37:09 PM , Rating: 5
How about we quit micro analysing the 1% sales HD accounts for in the home movie market, and just be glad when someone ends the dual format war. I hate to see Sony (or Disney) succeed at anyhting, but the sooner the better.


By therealnickdanger on 1/18/2008 5:50:28 PM , Rating: 3
+6 for the first sentence.
-1 for the second...
:P


By Fallen Kell on 1/18/2008 6:58:13 PM , Rating: 2
Really now lets look at SA sales data, and actually INCLUDE THE BEST STAND ALONE BLURAY PLAYER IN EXISTANCE, the PS3 in the numbers. This is the only player out there that should meet BluRay Profile 2.0 specs as well as being one of the only Profile 1.1 spec players.

I always love how the HD player backers are so fast to point to the stand alone sales when what has been the best BluRay stand alone player is NOT included in the numbers. I posted about this a year ago when all the audio video reviewer magazines and test suites were using the PS3 as their reference player because it was the best player they could find. Because it was the best player for so long, it has been the player that anyone who knows anything about home audio/video electronics (i.e. the enthusiasts, and first adopters who are the ones who actually purchase these things and show them off to the non-techies/normals, who then later try and get what the person who showed it to them had or told them to get), the numbers WITHOUT the PS3 are simple garbage.

It is like saying we are going to do an election and where everyone votes, but only count the white-male votes.


RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By kusala on 1/18/08, Rating: -1
By smitty3268 on 1/18/2008 8:39:39 PM , Rating: 3
What exactly did he say that was wrong? The PS3 IS the best SA player, and that fact is quite widely known meaning lots of them are being used that way. Meanwhile, you're comparing #s without it. Seems misleading at best.


RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By Spuke on 1/18/08, Rating: 0
By smitty3268 on 1/18/2008 10:25:17 PM , Rating: 2
Well, maybe not necessarily the BEST, but certainly the most commonly used. And one of the best (for BR that is) for the reasons Fallen Kel gave.

I understand that it's impossible to accurately say how many of those PS3s are being used as players, but the fact that so many of them are means that any numbers which don't take them into account are pretty much useless.


By rninneman on 1/18/2008 10:30:44 PM , Rating: 5
The reason why the PS3 is generally regarded as the best SA player is for the following reasons:

1. Currently Profile 1.1
2. Upgradeable to 2.0
3. Upgradeable via ethernet
4. Extremely fast boot and load times
5. Exceptional DVD up-scaling (Scores perfect in all but the noise reduction category on the Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark (The NR weakness could even be fixed with a firmware update.)
6. Integrated Dolby TrueHD decoding and upgradeable to DTS HD-MA decoding
7. Starts at $399
8. Also happens to play games and works as a pretty cool media center

The main gripes with the PS3 are relatively minor.
1. It has no internal IR sensor.
Although a one may be purchased for less than $20, it still cannot turn it on and off with the remote. That is no big deal really because you have to be physically at the player to put a disc in anyway.

2. It currently does not decode DTS HD-MA since every Fox title includes this format.
When that is added in future firmware, it becomes a none issue. (Who knows, the power on/off IR issue may be resolved with firmware too.)

Common knocks against the PS3 that are baseless:
1. No bitstream output of HD audio formats
Bitstream output will be useless when discs begin being authored in advanced mode and require be done in the player. This brings me to #2.

2. The PS3 has poor audio compared to standalone players
While I would agree if we were talking about the analog output (which is stereo anyway) or the fiber optic output, over HDMI, it makes no difference. Decoding TrueHD and DTS HD-MA is like decoding a ZIP file. It doesn't matter what decodes it, it's the same data in the end anyway. Do you argue that WinRAR decodes archives better than WinZIP?

3. The PS3 has poor image quality compared to SA players
In fact the PS3 has better image quality than most SA players. It is one of the few players that actually can decode and output 1080p directly. Most decode to 1080i and then deinterlace back to 1080p. On both the standard def (as of firmware 1.80 or later) and BR HQV Benchmark, the PS3 scores perfect except noise reduction. Hopefully Sony will fix the noise reduction in future firmware.

As you can see, all but one issue can be resolved with firmware. I'd say Sony did a damn good job at thinking ahead when they designed the PS3. If I missed complaints though, let me know so I can address that as well.

I don't believe the PS3 is perfect for everyone as a BR player just like not everyone needs a regular DVD player that has progressive-scan, HDMI, Divx support, JPEG support, digital output, recording capability, etc. I don't understand why people call Blu-Ray a half-baked format when regular DVD has changed a lot since its introduction yet older players still work just fine for the majority of viewers.


RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By Bagom on 1/19/2008 11:34:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. It has no internal IR sensor.
Although a one may be purchased for less than $20, it still cannot turn it on and off with the remote. That is no big deal really because you have to be physically at the player to put a disc in anyway.


I agree that no IR sensor really annoys me but you can turn on/off the PS3 with both the remote or joystick. Just press and hold the PS button.


By rninneman on 1/19/2008 2:42:56 PM , Rating: 2
The Sony BR remote and the controllers are Bluetooth though. That still prevents a programmable IR remote from being able to turn the PS3 on and off. As a SA player, this is a slight problem. As I said in my previous post, it doesn't matter too much because you have to physically be at the player to insert a disc anyway.


By theapparition on 1/21/2008 8:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
It was a very good writeup. Although, I think the PS3 is being eclipsed in picture quality by some of the later stand alones.

With reguard to IR, that killed it for me. All of my AV equipment is located in another room (out of bluetooth range). Even though I have to get up to switch discs, what if I already have a disc in there and want to continue to watch. I have one master remote system (that costs far more than the PS3 ever did!!!) and with that, as petty as it is, I find it rediculous that Sony didn't include an IR feature. So instead, I bought a Pioneer Elite. No issues using the RF to IR repeaters on that!


RE: Look at both sides software & Hardware SA players
By Spuke on 1/20/2008 5:50:32 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for that explanation. I still won't buy the PS3 at any price but it sounds like a good buy for those that want a game console that happens to have good Bluray player too.


By Belard on 1/21/2008 3:33:16 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like a personal issue... ;)


By robinthakur on 1/21/2008 6:58:11 AM , Rating: 2
Decent reply, glad you pointed out the facts and not just spew invective and ignorance like most people here. I think its only a matter of time until you see a move to Bluetooth remote controls. After all, if you've noticed that its really inconvenient that you canc't control the world's biggest selling BluRay player using a universal remote, some of the manufacturers must have also. I also think its pig-headed to not count the PS3 in BD adoption as this time around things are slightly different to the dvd inclusion of the PS2 and the technology is taking longer to become affordable, whereas PS3's are now cheap as chips.


By EODetroit on 1/21/2008 10:08:20 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I'm an admitted Sony hater, but there's reasons for my hate. I would rate this guy up for all the same reasons I rate SavagePotato down. I would, if it weren't already 5-ed.


By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/19/2008 12:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
/sigh. I thought the maturity level here was better than a game forum.


Funny, one could say the same thing about your post.


Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By crystal clear on 1/19/08, Rating: 0
RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By SavagePotato on 1/19/2008 1:40:15 PM , Rating: 3
That entire useless tirade indicates that buyers are going to go hd-dvd because it lets them "take their existing collection with them and isnt just another player"

Lets back the FUD wagon up a bit here. Name me a blu ray player that does NOT allow someone to play their dvd collection.

This is your great white hope for hd-dvd? that consumers can be confused and tricked into thinking only hd-dvd can let them play their existing dvd collection?

Maybe now you can see why blu ray backers think you hd-dvd clowns should all be slapped.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By djc208 on 1/19/2008 10:40:51 PM , Rating: 1
It's no different than the "more space and 1080p" rhetoric spouted by BD fans, when the fact is that the extra space is more likely to be used for extra crap than anything else, and I'd bet money in a blind viewing 99% of people (yourself included) couldn't tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p.

This is just marketing by the HD-DVD group. HD-DVD may not have much going for it right now but it is true that for $130 you can get a good up-converting HD-DVD player that will also play high definition disks. A lot of people will be willing to spend that money with their new HDTV.

The closest you can get on the BD side is three times more expensive, and that's mostly because Sony is willing to lose money on every one it sells.

If BD wins tomorrow I'm still not going to run out and buy a $400 player, the picture isn't that much better. I'll stick with my upconverted DVDs from my $98 HD-DVD player until I can get a sub $200 BD player that I know isn't going to be obsolete tomorrow because they released a new BD version (again).

In fact I'm sure most BD fans have to be so fanatic about the format, they've got a lot more money to lose.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By crystal clear on 1/20/2008 1:07:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If BD wins tomorrow


Then be sure the E.U. will slap on huge fines for monopoly practises-there goes all millions earned, paying those huge fines.

Then back to the 2 formats again ?

All those content providers to hardware manufacturers end up paying fines in the millions.

Wow big money indeed !


By Owls on 1/21/2008 4:18:00 PM , Rating: 2
I guess the DVD format has been paying fines all these years!


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By crystal clear on 1/20/08, Rating: 0
RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By SavagePotato on 1/20/2008 2:48:16 AM , Rating: 2
That is a WALL of text to say the same thing over and over again twelve times.

So lets see, the EU aka "the crocodile" as you call it is going to slap huge fines on the companies and force them to release both formats. All this under the campaign to outright lie to customers that only hd-dvd will up convert their dvd library. This is the big plan?

Thats really fabulous except for the fact all companies have released both formats in the EU from day one, even paramount. Blu-ray dominates ridiculously in every country but America already. America of course where it just took a nose dive into the gutter.

The big miracle of hd-dvd's sudden turn around isn't coming. No matter how much lying, false advertising, fud spreading, or outright trying to litigate it's existence is tried. Read the writing on the wall. Your "crocodile" isn't going to save your format.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By crystal clear on 1/21/2008 12:27:48 AM , Rating: 2
You are in a one big hurry to shoot & blindly-

You dont grasp the focus of my comments-

I talk about consumer,the buyer, the user & the title of my comment suggest just that.

I am talking about consumer responses & their unpredictability.

I am not fighting a format war with you-I by the way have a PS3 & a Toshiba player.

I am talking about the mainstream buyers & not the fanatics.

Ask these mainstream buyers the diiference between the the formats-their response is "who cares or not interested"

Show them a movie on the BD format & then a movie on HDDVD format, they will not notice any difference between the two & nor do they care to know.

You are not in the field of marketing to know what I am talking,neither in SENIOR management level(likr I am ) to understand my thinking.

As for the E.U. stuff that was simply to light you up & see some explosions.

Have a nice day-wherever you are-we dont belong to the same time zones.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By SavagePotato on 1/21/2008 9:21:21 AM , Rating: 2
Blah blah blah yes I know it's the same thing hd-dvd backers have argued from day one.

Do you think it's something new? Despite said lower prices the mainstream buyer is aware that it's a dying format. If you are in the field of marketing as you say you should know that negative public opinion is a bad thing.

The consensus is don't touch hd-dvd, even your mainstream buyers will know that. Now with every sales rep across the country recommending to stay away from hd-dvd that negative word of mouth is about to get very loud.

Consumers are very predictable, thats why all those market analysts have jobs.


By wallijonn on 1/22/2008 12:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The consensus is don't touch hd-dvd, even your mainstream buyers will know that. Now with every sales rep across the country recommending to stay away from hd-dvd that negative word of mouth is about to get very loud.

Consumers are very predictable, thats why all those market analysts have jobs.


The consumer doesn't need consensus when it comes to the price of HDM, though. Even if all there is is BD, at $28, average, for a movie few will be willing to buy them when they can get the SD version for $13.88 at WalMart on day of release.

Btw, I am one of the few who is willing to pay more than $20 for a movie, but it has to be something I really want. BOGOs may be a thing of the past. What we are more likely to see is the occasional single movie on sale. For the masses up-converting may be good enough, with the occasional BD as a treat. Until such time as BD comes down to SD prices the masses are not likely to buy.

I'm format neutral (PS3 & A2).


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By crystal clear on 1/20/2008 1:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe now you can see why blu ray backers think you hd-dvd clowns should all be slapped.


That till the E.U. slaps you with HUGE fines & then back to the 2 formats again ?

You enjoy paying those millions of your earnings as fines ?

Good luck the crocodile is waiting patiently to snap you as his next meal.............by then the crocodile would have finished with Intel/Microsoft etc.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By SavagePotato on 1/20/2008 2:55:27 AM , Rating: 2
So the EU is going to come and take millions of my dollars for backing blu ray? They are going out and fining private citizens for not supporting both now are they?

Personally I don't have millions to pay out so I have to wish them good luck I guess.

You won't be seeing any fines handed out to any of the studios either, they know how to get around that quite handily. Paramount has released the odd blu ray title here and there in Europe from what I gather the entire time they have been hd-dvd exclusive. No doubt to keep the fools at the EU from trying to litigate. You don't think other studios know how to dance that dance as well? Releasing a bare minimum of titles to say they support both formats while putting the bulk out in the other?

Keep dreaming about that big turnaround that's never coming.


By crystal clear on 1/21/2008 1:55:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You won't be seeing any fines handed out to any of the studios


So easily said than done.....

You have NO knowledge nor experience in dealing with the E.U. on such issues,that enable you to support the above or your response as a whole.

EU fines comapnies & not indivisuals in this case7 when I said you-I implied companies.

You are neither a lawyer or any legal expert that enables you to come to such conclusions.

You are techie & be just that-as you say

However in the close to three years I have spent providing Internet tech support,

Now cool it ,you really dont know what these people are from the EU in Brussels-I do.....

As for the formats-the mainstream buyers -who bring the 90% or more of the revenues for companies,are just not interested to know which format is better nor do they care.

I focus on them & not on formats.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By crystal clear on 1/21/2008 3:09:08 AM , Rating: 2
Do you ever bother to read a comment before responding ????

You are B.R. addict, dont expect normal level headed people to be like YOU.

Read & understand the title of my comment !

Read the contents ! the focus is on the buyer !

Yes its about the formats but it focuses on mainstream buyers & their choices/preferences/responses etc !

So dont turn the issue into a format war-go find somebody else to fight it out.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By SavagePotato on 1/21/2008 9:14:59 AM , Rating: 2
If you actually made sense when you speak people might understand you.

Here is a tip for you. The EU only has jurisdiction over the EU. Which is why companies like paramount release the odd blu ray title there.

Where is the EU's big fines to force paramount back from their north American exclusivity. Oh right they don't exist. Just as they won't with anyone else.

You want to focus on the buyers? it looks even worse there. I know you are praying for some big turn around but it isn't coming. Particularly in places outside north America hd-dvd isn't even a shadow of what it is here. Now it isn't much here either.

Anyway, sorry to interrupt your EU love fest. You can resume your gushing about your glorious crocodile and their glorious fines again. Back at the format war, the war has been won.


By crystal clear on 1/21/2008 5:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
Again you dont read-you just respond-As mentioned earlier

As for the E.U. stuff that was simply to light you up & see some explosions.



Who cares which format wins or losses-they dont earn you or anybody else a living.

Bye have a nice day-wherever you are.


By Owls on 1/21/2008 4:20:05 PM , Rating: 2
I thought I was reading some poor misguided soul who is an HD-DVD fanboy.

Turns out he's some sort of euro trash that doesn't understand simple economics and logic.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By kilkennycat on 1/19/2008 4:15:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Toshiba makes a smart move, after testing/analysing consumer choices & preferences,by their ability to upscale standard-definition content for HDTVs.

quote:
With DVD upconversion via the HDMI output, HD DVD players instantly make a movie lover's existing DVD library look better than ever


I have a $70 Sony (standard)DVD/CD all-format player with upconversion to 1080i/720p via its HDMI output. Bought it at Costco about a year ago. Great try Toshiba.... Move on.


RE: Does anybody bothers to ask the buyers !
By Spuke on 1/20/2008 6:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have a $70 Sony (standard)DVD/CD all-format player with upconversion to 1080i/720p via its HDMI output. Bought it at Costco about a year ago. Great try Toshiba.... Move on.
From what I understand, HD DVD players are better at upconverting than your standard DVD upconveter. Don't know about the Bluray units.


By Belard on 1/21/2008 3:38:26 AM , Rating: 2
Now at Walmart, a SONY DVD player upconversion is $55, Philips has a $35 upconversion player... $100 less than Toshiba.

Upconversion is upconversion - not too much difference between them - still not AS good as real HiDef.

Here is a thing that *I* don't like about HD-DVD players (Toshiba). If you're in the middle of a movie, and power it off because you need to go somewhere whatever - when you turn it back on, the player go back to the menu and you start from the beginning. UGH!

Another plus for BR... is that when 3 or 4 layer discs come out (75gb, 100gb) - the player doesn't need to be replaced.

While a 3 or 4 layer HD-DVD does require a NEW player! This also means no pre-recording movies will come out in 3-4 layers because such playback is not standard.


Really bad article
By Gastrian on 1/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: Really bad article
By SavagePotato on 1/18/2008 7:46:23 PM , Rating: 2
It states sales shift to blu ray following the Warner announcement.

It doesn't say sales tip toward blu ray because of the Warner announcement.

What exactly do you propose led to the most dismal numbers for hd-dvd yet in a week following the Warner announcement? The article lets you make that judgement for yourself but realy, tell me what you think caused hd-dvd to grab less than half of the share it did the week before?

Would you have been more happy if someone did a journalistic investigation and determined that it was the percentage of cow flatulance in nebraska that week? Do you need someone to hit you in the face with a bag of doorknobs for half an hour to be able to figure out it was the Warner announcement?

Personaly I don't buy what you are selling pal, you have angry and bitter hd-dvd fan written all over you.


RE: Really bad article
By BansheeX on 1/18/2008 8:51:00 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The title for the article has no relation to the article itself. No evidence was shown in the article that Warner's announcement had any impact on Blu-Rays figures, of the top five blu-ray movies none of them were from Warner, the top selling one is from Lionsgate Studios.


It doesn't matter if the top 5 weren't Warner movies, you're making a poor correlation in thinking that a Warner announcement should only benefit that studio's sales. If the Warner exclusivity announcement makes people think HD-DVD can no longer win, you would expect consumer confidence in HD-DVD to go down and consumer confidence in Blu-ray to go up. That affects sales of all movies in that format, not just Warner. Thus the new 85/15 spread, which I think is here to stay.


RE: Really bad article
By Belard on 1/18/2008 10:24:28 PM , Rating: 2
Check this out - You can view by data and by top 10, top 100... that is an awful lot of blue there.

http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx

The biggest weapon that HD-DVD camp has been touting is the lower price on their players.

Blu-Ray has 3 different brands of BR-Burners for PC (Sony, LG and Philips), and BR-Recorders are coming soon. There are no HD-DVD burners on the market.


RE: Really bad article
By Gastrian on 1/19/2008 5:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
Easiest way to correlate them is to compare them to DVD sales, shock horror, two of the best selling HD movies, 3:10 to Yuma and Resident Evil are both top of the DVD sales list. HD-DVD's best selling movie, the Kingdom isn't even in the top five DVD sales chart.

SavagePotato, not quite sure why you get upgraded one when you get the second line completely wrong;

quote:
It doesn't say sales tip toward blu ray because of the Warner announcement.


quote:
Warner’s announcement at CES 2008 regarding its high-definition allegiance appears to have an immediate effect on the buying tendencies of the consumer market.


The writer is making the assumption that the Warner news has directly affected HD movie sales. Yet the writer makes no mention that the HD all format chart is practically mirroring the DVD sales chart.

There is no evidence to pinpoint that the Warner Bros announcement had anything to do with the current sales chart, but there is plenty of evidence to show that Blu-Ray came out on top because of better exclusives, as seen by the public buying trends when it comes to standard DVD sales.


RE: Really bad article
By SavagePotato on 1/19/2008 1:16:45 PM , Rating: 3
Let's not get into the ambiguity of a statement like it "appears to have an immediate effect"

Let's call a spade a spade, you want to read into the situation what comforts you most. Obviously that means "just a normal sales fluctuation based on titles released, nothing to see here hd-dvd is fine" is what comforts you most.

For everyone else that can read the writing on the wall and has seen very good weeks for blu ray before,(last years best was 76:24) it is crystal clear.

Every point a company moves beyond 50% gets harder to get, going from 65:35 to 85:15 is an unbelievable landslide. Not something that happens because there were a couple better blu ray releases that week. That has happened before and the best that was capable was 76:24, and that was a blowout week with pirates 3.

What you are saying boils down to nothing more than an hd-dvd fan looking for ways to downplay what is happening, but hey thats why we have free will. You can read that article and deduce whatever distorted idea you like. Proof positive that it wasn't some evil article that is forcing you to beleive anything.


RE: Really bad article
By Gastrian on 1/20/2008 4:58:35 PM , Rating: 1
At what point did I say I was a HD-DVD fan? Are you one of those intellectually deficient people who can't enter a debate or post a comment without trying to belittle other posters? I'm not a HD-DVD supporter, I don't support either camp asI said in my original post, in fact I won't be buying into HD until dual format players are widely available and come down to a much more reasonable price where I live. But regardless of whether I supported a format or not if you are going to enter a conversation with another person do try to act like a mature adult and not resort to trying to invalidate their points purely because of what you assume their alliegence to be.

Now lets look at the facts, Blu-Ray wiped the floor with HD-DVD, that is plain to see. Now in that same time period we have;

a) The all format HD movie chart very closely mirroring the DVD sales chart and the majority of the best selling DVDs are Blu-Ray exclusives.

and

b) Waner Bros made an official announcement that they are going Blu-Ray exclusive.

The article writer therefore has a few options available to them. They can either attribute Blu-Ray's success to its exclusive content and superior releases that week which is a clearly visible market trend seen in most other forms of entertainment. They can attribute it to Blu-Ray's better content and Warner Bros announcement which is a balanced view, or they can attribute this landslide purely to an announcement made in a trade show that garnered little attention outside of technology orientated media (the announcement not CES).

Where's the evidence to back up this assumption? Where's the research into public opinion on the matter? You can't link two seperate stories together, stating one as the cause for the other just because they reside within the same time frame and have nothing else to validate that claim. Its like posting an article claiming that Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games shot from No.7 to No.1 in the UK charts because Nintendo reopened their Stars catalogue allowing people to swap stars for Wii points, all because the news was announced a few days before the chart was published.


RE: Really bad article
By SavagePotato on 1/20/2008 11:22:50 PM , Rating: 3
Superior releases? have you looked at the high def top 10? 3:10 to Yuma is number one.

300 is number 2... 300 has been out for how long? 300 is available on hd-dvd, as are the harry potter titles in the top 10. Where are they? looks like they dropped off the face of the earth.

So where are all those major exclusives aside from 3:10 to Yuma and resident evil extinction. Extinction I might add that still didn't overcome the month old pirates three and even older 300.

A week with one or two major releases, not even close to the caliber of something like 300 or pirates of the caribbean, resulting in a total beat down 85:15 and you think it has nothing to do with the Warner announcement? When just the week before things were sitting at 65:35.

Do you honestly need someone from a damn blog site to go out and do market research to post what is obvious and everyone else already knows?

Sorry pal, come back to reality with the rest of the world.


RE: Really bad article
By Belard on 1/21/2008 3:41:13 AM , Rating: 2
In Japan, the ratio of BR vs HD = 90/10 split. O U C H!!

Europe is 73/27% in Blu's favor.

these numbers are before Warner's rejection of HD-DVD.


RE: Really bad article
By walk2k on 1/19/2008 12:21:07 PM , Rating: 2
"TIP"? Please, it was 85% to 15%. That's not a "tip" it's an avalanche. HD-DVD is getting routed.


Hi, my name is Bob, and I own an HD-DVD player...
By Micronite on 1/18/2008 4:58:19 PM , Rating: 5
Even though I own an HD-DVD player, I'm almost glad that Blu-Ray is taking the lead here. I'm really tired of going to the store, looking at the HD section, and realizing there are more than two times as many Blu-Ray movies as HD-DVD movies. The worst part is that most of the movies I'm actually interested in buying are only on Blu-Ray. Add on to that the fact that Disney is 100% Blu-Ray and it makes HD-DVD even less family-friendly. If Blu-Ray sales continue to diminish HD-DVD presence, it just makes it easier for me to convince my wife we need a Blu-Ray player. So at least one HD-DVD owner is ready to say: Go Blu-Ray!




By omnicronx on 1/18/2008 5:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Add on to that the fact that Disney is 100% Blu-Ray and it makes HD-DVD even less family-friendly.

Amen to that, how could anyone ever go HD-DVD, Bambi in High Def.. I live for this shit...


By rninneman on 1/18/2008 10:33:38 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
All Blu-ray movies produced have been 15 GB or less so far, with identical content to the HD-DVD version.


Data to back this up please... Oh you don't have one because it's total bullshit.


By Belard on 1/21/2008 4:31:38 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah... riiiiiiiiiiight!

Here is some DATA that shows somewhat the amount of data. Nice way to view data- but the PIE-chart at the bottom is where people should go. Also, the right-side of the menu goes to HD-DVD stats.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php

Over 51% of Blu-Ray discs is larger than 25GB, which is about the limit of HD's 30GB. And looking at HD-DVD's stats - over 85% are double sided (past the 15GB single layer)... it costs more money to master a double layer disc than a single one. HD-DVD is already hitting its size limts.

The CONS of HD-DVD:

1 - 30GB vs 50GB... more room for more content or higher quality (Somewhat actually posted somewhere "who wants all these extras junk?!")

That's pretty much the only thing about the two.

2 - Current BR players can play future 3 and 4 layer discs (75 / 100GB) - while HD-DVD will require new players.

3 - Powering out a HD-DVD players, resets the disc. No continuation from a power off.

4 - US = 85/15% market share advantage. Japan = 90/10!

5 - Paramount has an escape clause.

6 - Blu-Ray's name doesn't confuse people as much. AVG Joes are buying HD-DVD discs and find out they don't work on their DVD playres. ;)

7 - More hardware choices. Toshiba's NEW low pricing are sold at a loss, a last ditch effort to put more players out there to hopefully create a bigger user base. But retailers and consumer are realizing this. Would you buy a $3000 motorboat or a $1000 boat that has a non-repairable 1 foot hole? These new $130 players are not worth it as "upconverters" as Toshiba is NOW advertising.


By lopri on 1/18/2008 11:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
If there is one thing that EVERYONE can agree is that Disney/Buena-Vista's H.264/Uncompressed PCM has been the best among all the studios. (whether they're blue or red)

Yeah Bambi or Snow White aren't particularly something I'd be interested in, but titles like 'Ratatouille' or the 'Pirates' series' high-def transfer are the best, bar none.

It's not really has to do with being blue or red, to see what Disney has done for the high def. (albeit they arguably have a big stake in HD so that they can sell their classics again and again) But regardless, none of the studios come close to Disney's masterful transfers, IMO.


By jkcheng122 on 1/18/2008 5:32:42 PM , Rating: 1
good for you man, on some forums i'm on there are ppl touting the greatness of downloadable media b/c their beloved HD DVD seems to be all but dead now.

only thing now is for the blu camp to crank out some sub $300/$400 fully-functional profile 1.1 players.


By noirsoft on 1/18/2008 5:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny, because several of the titles I would like to own in High-Def (Heroes, BSG and Serenity some to mind) appear to be only available on HD-DVD... I _almost_ bought the 360 add-on to play those, but figured I wait it out a bit more (since I own them on DVD) and hope for Bluy-Ray releases.

Also, most stores I've been to, both here in NC and out in CA/NV seem to be fairly evenly split for Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD in terms of numbers of titles.


This is confusing
By thejez on 1/18/2008 4:51:03 PM , Rating: 5
This is a very confusing post. The title seems to suggest that sales of blue-ray discs are actually up, however the article actually says nothing about sales figures only that the RATIO of BR vs. HD-DVD had increased. I'm no math professor but the ratio can increase simply by reducing the number of HD-DVD's purchased... it's not a good correlation to assume it was due to an increase of BR sales.

Take an alternative hypothesis that the increase in the BR-HD-DVD ratio is due rather to a decrease in the number of ppl buying HD-DVD's after the CES announcements. That makes a lot more sense to me as those ppl are probably hesitant now to invest anymore in something that may have a questionable future.




RE: This is confusing
By Marcus Yam on 1/18/2008 4:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll edit that title now.


RE: This is confusing
By Oregonian2 on 1/18/2008 4:59:27 PM , Rating: 2
Curious to see if the price drops (and increased advertising) will make HD sales jump up.


RE: This is confusing
By hubajube on 1/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: This is confusing
By thejez on 1/18/2008 5:26:13 PM , Rating: 4
I wasn't supporting any "camp" in my post. If you re-read what I wrote (and use more mind and less emotion) you'll see my alternative hypothesis was equally bleak for HD-DVD.


....
By Myg on 1/19/2008 7:08:41 AM , Rating: 4
Its amazing how quickly things can decend into immature, desperate struggles for meaning from lifeless creations by companies.

This whole dispute; expressed by some of the users here is really appaling.

I honestly dont think the execs at Sony/Warner/etc.. genuinely care really if they "win" or not. Since they have seemed to brainwashed an entire generation do the talking for them. You lot are bickering about wether to have butter on the top of your toast or the bottom; its such a meaningless thing to argue over.

HD formats are a luxury, not a need, they are something you think about last to all other things in life. Yet some people cling to it like the people who act like raving lunatics and ruffians at football matches in europe; but with Sony and Toshiba as their "supporting" teams.

All the years of growing up infront of TV have literaly enslaved people mentally, because what I mostly see people here doing is trying to serve its "best interest" by taking "sides" for a "war". Get over yourselves, this whole situation is sick and sad and pathetic, using references to such concepts to make it more real and serious is trying to justify such positions to yourself and utter nonsense.

The questions you should be asking yourself are:
"Why does It mean so much to me?"
"Why dont I spend some more time with my kids and wife/ Friends and family (if applicable) instead of wasting so much effort on this stuff?"

(These are worth thinking about all the time)

If none of those above questions ever bother you, I assume your under 20 and probably need much more time fermenting on life first.

Back to rationality and reason please!
Thanks




RE: ....
By SavagePotato on 1/19/2008 6:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing on earth is a need. In the end every single thing comes down to want. If you don't want to live you don't need food and shelter. Don't want to breathe, don't need air.

Every single thing humans do in their existance comes down to fulfilling their wants. Even on things they have dubbed a need, which cannot exist without a want.

For some, locking themselves into 18 plus years of raising children is a want. For others it isn't. Spending time with friends and family, again nothing but a want that brings you comfort. Others perhaps don't derive comfort from the things that you do. They may even derive great displeasure from it.

If people go online to forums and message boards to debate or even fight about material objects it is for no other reason than they want to, it brings them entertainment, another notch in the I'm still alive category.

Another want common among humans, is the want to judge their own value based on the percieved value of the other humans around them. Example the want to feel somehow superior to the other humans based on your wants being more important than, or valuable than theirs. Example, spending time with friends or family, raising children, spending a weekend polishing a car. All being of more value than tasks that entertain others simply because they appeal to the performer of said tasks.

In the end everyone has as much right to indulge in what they want as the next person, so long as it doesn't involve the harm of other individuals. That means if they get something out of arguing the pros and cons of two different video formats, it's their prerogative.


RE: ....
By Spuke on 1/20/2008 7:05:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nothing on earth is a need. In the end every single thing comes down to want. If you don't want to live you don't need food and shelter. Don't want to breathe, don't need air.
What? Now you're being silly. The basic necessities to sustain life are indeed needs. You do without and you die. Everything else (like which HD player to choose) is a want.

On a side note, are you just trying to get a rise from people? If you are it's rather pathetic. Why would aggravating your fellow man be pleasurable?


RE: ....
By SavagePotato on 1/20/2008 11:37:57 PM , Rating: 3
Nope, they are not a need. You missed the point. Nothing is a need unless first qualified by a want. If I don't want to live, I don't need them, simple as that.

You can never have a need without want.

Understand the point yet? people procure those things because they want to live. Others actually do lose the want to live and therefore realize they don't need those things at all.

What about any of my above statements seem designed to get a rise out of anyone? It is simply a statement of philosophy. You don't have to subscribe to it there is no NEED for you to do anything of the sort, unless of course you want to.

I don't enjoy aggravating others. However in the close to three years I have spent providing Internet tech support, I have had any and all empathy toward the human race in general sucked out of me drop by drop. Leaving me in a cynical and apathetic state toward the rest of the world.

But hey, I still want to live, and maybe watch a blu-ray movie or two.


Blu Ray won! Sony won!
By Serafina on 1/19/08, Rating: 0
RE: Blu Ray won! Sony won!
By SiliconAddict on 1/19/08, Rating: -1
RE: Blu Ray won! Sony won!
By SavagePotato on 1/19/2008 1:24:24 PM , Rating: 3
Realy? they are completely SOL?

So just a moment here. Being able to watch a movie and 90% of it's special features, but not the pip ones or possible online ones is totaly SOL?

Sorry, FUD strikes again. Those with older players will be able to play all the new discs just fine. The few hundred thousand early adopters who bought their old 1.0 players not caring about those features in the first place aren't likely to be shedding tears of blood over yet another peice of hd-dvd fud.

The person you just replied to obviously is a ps3 owner anyway. Which means they are probably laughing at your sour grapes retort just that much more, in getting an angry response out of you.


RE: Blu Ray won! Sony won!
By wallijonn on 1/22/2008 1:27:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those with older players will be able to play all the new discs just fine. The few hundred thousand early adopters who bought their old 1.0 players not caring about those features in the first place aren't likely to be shedding tears of blood over yet another peice of hd-dvd fud.


You may have missed this little tid-bit from Ars, which if true could prove to be a blow to BD universal acceptance:

quote:
The 2.0 profile brings picture-in-picture and online functionality to Blu-ray discs; these movies will have "BD-Live" stickers on the case so you know certain features will require 2.0-compliant players. Discs that only require 1.1 profile players will be adorned with "Bonus View" stickers. Are we confused yet?

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080118-new-...


RE: Blu Ray won! Sony won!
By Belard on 1/21/2008 4:56:49 AM , Rating: 2
How many people have an ethernet connection near their Home Entertainment center? Besides those with PS3 and XBOX?

Updates are done by Downloading on a PC and burning the update onto a CD or DVD. Not rocket science.

And ALL older players WILL play movies.

Also keep in mind about how M$ helped this war.

HD-DVD = Toshiba & Microsoft. It uses Microsoft's API to make the fancy content work. Also, it doesn't resume discs from a powerup. (ugh).

Blu-Ray = Sony & Everyone else: It uses Sun's JAVA - open source... it does pretty much what HD-DVD can do, and some dirctors aren't intrested in being in a PIP talking about their films. Audio is enough and is enough of a pain sometimes.


RE: Blu Ray won! Sony won!
By wallijonn on 1/22/2008 1:38:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Updates are done by Downloading on a PC and burning the update onto a CD or DVD. Not rocket science.


Au contrare. It is rocket science to many, especially those who have never burned an .iso and those who tried to burn an .iso with anything other than Nero.

Me, I updated my PS3 through the USB mem stick. I update my A2 through the 'net and I burn a CDRW for my Oppo. This past weekend I finally went wireless, so the Wii and the PS3 are now connected.

I can almost guarantee that the older generation won't know how to set up their wireless router, much less figure out how to program it with 128 bit encryption and protect it with password. No, chances are that either you are going to have to do it for them or they are going to have to pay me $50 to do it for them.


Don't care.
By SiliconAddict on 1/19/2008 2:56:50 AM , Rating: 2
Show me a $170 or less BR player to sit next to my HD DVD player that I got for $160, and then I'll consider investing in BR. Until then its an overpriced toy vs. a moderately priced toy which is HD DVD.




RE: Don't care.
By SavagePotato on 1/19/2008 1:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
Here is my suggestion. If $350 is too much for you in an early adopter market. (which is what some places are selling the panasonic player for) Get a better job or something or get the hell out of the videophile market.

Seriously, I throw out 600 bucks every second year sometimes every year for a video card, some people throw out 600 bucks for a box of cigars. Now were talking about $350 dollars. If you could manage to get a high def tv and sound system but just can't afford $350 then maybe you shouldn't have bought an hd tv and sound system in the first place.

I predict when blu ray players are close to $150(most likely by christmas) you will still be sitting there saying "when they are $50 dollars i will get one, for now they are way too overpriced"


RE: Don't care.
By Spuke on 1/20/2008 7:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously, I throw out 600 bucks every second year sometimes every year for a video card, some people throw out 600 bucks for a box of cigars.
Just because you have $600 to "throw out" doesn't mean you should or you have to. There those of us that like to get the most for our money, and quite frankly, IMO, $350 for a Bluray player is NOT the best bang for MY (and others) money. I agree with the poster. When it comes down to a lower price, then it's a good buy for US.

You can buy what you want and whatever price you want to pay for it but that doesn't make you right or us wrong.

BTW, I think the Black Friday Bluray player price will be $100 not $150.


RE: Don't care.
By Belard on 1/21/2008 4:50:46 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, what about the FREE BR players for the past few weeks from Sharp and Panasonic with a purchase of a HD-TV of same brand?

How much did you SPEND for your HDTV? $1000 $2000?

$130 for the bottom end HD-DVD (Older stock is still going for $300~400) means nothing with access to only 25% of movies market, for now. Japan is 90% BluRay, Europe is 73%... HD-DVD is nose diving.

There is no way to say that about Blu-Ray.

I'm betting that Toshiba is selling these players as cheap as they can to get rid of their inventory... in 15~60 days, Toshiba will throw in the towel.


The Assaination of Jesse James
By RaulF on 1/18/2008 5:02:12 PM , Rating: 2
Got move up again to February 5 now.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=659




By Marcus Yam on 1/18/2008 5:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
Oh right. I knew about that but for some reason totally forgot about it.

I believe they moved it up just to try to cash in on the Oscar promotion time.


Blockbuster credited for the majority of sales?
By 9nails on 1/18/2008 7:42:42 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder how many of those Blu Ray sales were to rental stores as opposed to end users? I understand that Sony had a successful holiday season. (Thats comparatively on previous months with-in the Sony PS3 division and not against the other manufactures where the PS3 continues to be an under performer.) My feelings are that Blu Ray sales are biased and can be measured under any number of circumstances which shine favorably for the format when in reality acceptance truly isn't high at all.




By Accord99 on 1/18/2008 8:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder how many of those Blu Ray sales were to rental stores as opposed to end users?

Nielsen only measures retail sales.


Something for our Canadian friends...
By sweetsauce on 1/18/2008 9:48:23 PM , Rating: 2
By sweetsauce on 1/18/2008 9:57:22 PM , Rating: 2
Damn posted wrong link before...

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sk...

Enjoy.


What all you HD-DVD defenders are forgetting...
By mac2j on 1/19/2008 8:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
In a way this thing is already over....

Because everyone I've seen or know at an electronics store are telling people to buy Blu-ray because its the format thats going to win.

Even at 1/2 the price - no one wants to buy a player that's going to be obselete in a few months.




By Belard on 1/21/2008 4:59:23 AM , Rating: 2
Okay...

here is a challenge to all: Next time you're in (or near) a B&M store, play stupid and ask them what you should buy. We're talking BB, CC, FRY's etc. Wal-Mart doesn't count.
The STORE must have BOTH formats available. Pointless to ask Target since they don't sell hD-DVD players.


Who cares?
By DingieM on 1/21/2008 4:02:12 AM , Rating: 1
Almost nobody cares about image quality, and most people only watch a movie ones.
No reason to buy a HD movie, drain your wallet further even after purchasing HDTV and HD-player.

America's economy and housing is falling apart.
They have money to buy HD stuff????
Rest of the world isn't fine either. Costs are rising.

But if not...HD has ALREADY lost to INTERNET.
Downloads are going to be dominant.
Bye bye Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

And all those people bitchin' about HD technology...get a life!




RE: Who cares?
By EastCoast on 1/21/2008 10:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
Out of all the consoles PS3 still came dead last in sales since Oct 2007. It even came behind the PS2, let me repeat that, it came behind the freaking PS2 in sales growth since Oct 2007. Although PS3 has seen record sales it still feel short. So, I really don't understand how PS3 is helping win this format war if it's not as popular.


Consumer confidence
By ZipSpeed on 1/18/2008 4:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
It's human nature to want something that will last. Hopefully Paramount and Universal will eventually see the light so we can all stop bickering and go back to discussing movies like we did with DVD.




Said it before
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/19/2008 12:39:56 AM , Rating: 2
Sony took a gamble by putting the BR player in the PS3 but it seems to be paying off in the long run. Funny, because I remember when they did the same thing awhile ago with the built in DVD player in the PS2.




By eetnoyer on 1/19/2008 4:38:23 PM , Rating: 2
would make for an interesting development. Yes, I know it will never happen.




Um...
By enlil242 on 1/21/2008 1:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
An even bigger delta will hit The Assassination of Jesse James (Brad Pitt, Casey Affleck), which will release on HD DVD on March 19, while the Blu-ray Disc will street on February 5.


Off topic, but jeez, have I been living under a rock or something? When the heck was this movie released in theatres? It must have sucked because I heard nothing about it... Aside from the fact it was being made at all...




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