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Time Warner Cables hopes to weed out excess usage with new billing system

When it comes to high-speed Internet, most people take for granted that their flat monthly fee will provide all the bandwidth needed for endless downloading.

Time Warner Cable (TWC), on the other hand, doesn't quite see things that way. Just as Best Buy labeled its bargain-minded customers as "Devil Customers," TWC has its own subset of customers that take the "all you can eat" approach to Internet access.

In order to discourage bandwidth gorging, TWC will trial a new billing system patterned after regular household utilities that we all have become familiar with. Like gas, water and electric bills, TWC will charge customers based on their usage instead of a flat fee.

The move should help TWC weed out the five percent of its customers which it says horde over fifty percent of total network bandwidth.

TWC warns that the network congestions problems will only get worse as more media content is made available online. People today are taking advantage of their high-speed Internet connections to download movies and television shows -- and we can't forget users who often frequent P2P and torrent sites to share/download content.

"Largely, people won't notice the difference," said a spokesman for TWC. "We don't want customers to feel they're getting less for more."

TWC will first roll out a trial of the new billing system in Beaumont, Texas later this year. If the tests are successful, TWC may apply the new billing scheme to all of its 7.4 million residential subscribers around the country.

Time Warner Cable isn't the first company that has attempted to curtail a small minority of its customers from hogging network bandwidth using P2P services like BitTorrent. Comcast chose the unsavory route of throttling bandwidth for greedy customers using P2P software. Unfortunately, Comcast's actions also hampered legitimate users of software like Lotus Notes.

Comcast's actions resulted in class-action lawsuit from customers and an official investigation by the FCC.



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RE: Digital Downloads
By Christopher1 on 1/17/2008 4:26:08 PM , Rating: 0
Not if I have anything to say about it and the EFF and a bunch of our federal legislators have anything to say about it.

If the ISP's do this, it is going to come back and bite them in the ass BIG TIME! Unless, the amounts for 'bandwidth gorging' are so high that no one conceivably could reach them: say 500GB's a month.

Really, Time-Warner is being a whiny baby about the people who are 'bandwidth gorging'. The people who use more than 500GB of bandwidth a month, like I do on an occasional basis, are a SMALL fraction of a percentage of the people who are using their services.... not even really enough to impinge on the downloading of other people on their service.


RE: Digital Downloads
By mdogs444 on 1/17/2008 4:44:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Really, Time-Warner is being a whiny baby about the people who are 'bandwidth gorging'. The people who use more than 500GB of bandwidth a month, like I do on an occasional basis, are a SMALL fraction of a percentage of the people who are using their services.... not even really enough to impinge on the downloading of other people on their service.

So let me get this right....

You believe that everyone should pay the same low price, regardless of how much of the service they use, and that a tiered "pay for what you use" service is bad.

I find it quite ironic, and hypocritical, when I compare it to your view class warfare & taxes. You've stated in the past that the wealthy should pay a higher percentage of taxes because they have enough money to afford it, and that the low income people shouldn't pay anything because they cannot afford.

You can say that this is just to punish you for using alot of bandwidth and to price gouge you (which is the same as taxing high income an even higher percentage), but perhaps I can say that this is to benefit the low bandwidth users by charging less (which is the same as not taxing the low income).

How is this different this time? Oh i know....because this time, it will actually effect how much money comes out of your pocket! Maybe you ought to think about that next time you say you want to tax people a higher percentage because they make more than you.


RE: Digital Downloads
By Polynikes on 1/17/2008 7:39:24 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
the same low price

Low? $40 a month ain't cheap if you're not using a lot of bandwidth.


RE: Digital Downloads
By jeff834 on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: Digital Downloads
By murphyslabrat on 1/18/2008 3:28:55 PM , Rating: 1
I actually had to kick my kitten out of the house for a few months. Now he's back, and is a profitable member of our household.


RE: Digital Downloads
By Christopher1 on 1/18/2008 10:53:37 PM , Rating: 1
$50 dollars is not a low price, compared to the Unlimited Internet deals in places like Japan.

They have unlimited internet that is nearly 20 times faster than our cable internet, and they are paying less than we do for that than we pay for cable internet.

Secondly, when something is advertised as unlimited, I expect to be able to use AS MUCH OF THE SERVICE AS I LIKE! I have NEVER had a complaint from Comcast even once except a phonecall from some lower-level peon who was getting on my case about downloading a lot 5 years ago. When I pointed out to him that their service was unlimited, he hung up the phone and never called back again, though that might have been because he was fired after I contacted Comcast and reported his phonecall and it wasn't authorized by them (assuming the latter here).

Thirdly, yes, I do believe that everyone should pay the same 'low' price for internet service regardless of how much of the service they use, if something is billed as unlimited internet.
If you don't want to allow that, you are FINE to bill your service as not being 'unlimited' and putting a gigabyte limit on it.... just don't blame me when your business drops off substantially because customers are getting tired of having to count every single mega or giga-byte of traffic they are using.

Fourthly, I couldn't care LESS if more money came out of my pocket for internet service...... as long as the service was still unlimited, I would be willing to pay up to $70 dollars a month for internet service.... any higher than that however, and I would tell any provider to stick their service and simply stay off the internet and NO ONE would get my money.

Fifthly, I do want to tax people who make more at a much higher rate than myself because THEY CAN AFFORD IT, and they have a responsibility to help keep society up if they are not going to allow high minimum wages.
If they would switch to a high minimum wage of about $12-20 dollars, then I would keep them at the same level of taxation as myself..... but let's face facts: most rich people today got rich off breaking the backs of the poor and insider trading their way to success.

Even my one friend, who is worth nearly $10 million dollars now, said that he was SHOCKED at how many people and businesses freely admit that they insider traded or hired people at below minimum wage.


RE: Digital Downloads
By mdogs444 on 1/17/2008 5:08:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The people who use more than 500GB of bandwidth a month, like I do on an occasional basis, are a SMALL fraction of a percentage of the people who are using their services.... not even really enough to impinge on the downloading of other people on their service.

And just to further my point...

Your example of being using a lot of bandwidth are a small percentage of the total bandwidth users. Just like how the total amount of federal taxes are paid by the small minority of americans. And those who pay the most, receive the least "value" for their dollar.

Go figure, another hypocritical statement because it all depends on how it effects YOU, right?


RE: Digital Downloads
By imaheadcase on 1/17/2008 10:32:55 PM , Rating: 1
What the ISP's are NOT telling you is that "small percentage" actually increases every year.

Face it people, pay-by-the-byte internet will not work for future internet applications. I can easily download 500gigs a month..even 1tb.

Its not uncommon to download a typical 10-20gig 1080p movie now on internet. You think "oh sure if you pirate", but face it..its not always going to be pirating, same movie i download now in a few years will actually be standard STREAMING movies.


RE: Digital Downloads
By Christopher1 on 1/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: Digital Downloads
By FITCamaro on 1/17/2008 5:27:00 PM , Rating: 5
Well I'm all in favor of them throttling your internet connection or just cutting it off entirely. Those who believe having sex with children is ok shouldn't be allowed to live much less use the net.


RE: Digital Downloads
By creathir on 1/17/2008 7:05:27 PM , Rating: 2
Just an FYI on those who are rating down FIT, Christopher1 has expressed beliefs in allowing children to have sex with adults.

FIT is not just slamming this guy, just pointing out some of his previous beliefs.

- Creathir


RE: Digital Downloads
By anotherdude on 1/17/2008 7:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
Can we get the whole story? Sounds like an interesting read.


RE: Digital Downloads
By kyp275 on 1/17/2008 7:54:16 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Digital Downloads
By ToeCutter on 1/17/2008 11:22:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
yup, that's him.

That is some twisted shit.

Freaks me out a bit; I wonder how many other whack jobs I've replied to on this forum?

Thanks for the tip


RE: Digital Downloads
By Frallan on 1/18/2008 7:12:23 AM , Rating: 2
Well I would like some more confirmation on identities and beliefs b4 I say anything except that what was written in there was sick. However witch hunts and mobs are pretty bad as well (and they always seem to hang more innocent then guilty ppl)


RE: Digital Downloads
By Vinnybcfc on 1/18/2008 12:17:17 PM , Rating: 2
Heres one post on dailytech from him:

(2nd paragraph last sentence)
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=5851&...

That took about 2 mins to find on his account

Lots of similar posts on his account


RE: Digital Downloads
By roadrun777 on 1/19/2008 12:44:20 PM , Rating: 1
Omg, you all are a bunch of tards...
<stewie voice>
Oh goodie! Let's burn people in ovens because they have a different view point other than our own!

You all are just trolls and flame bait artists. You can't win an argument so you jump into belief systems. Attack! Attack!
I hate ignorant tards who put everyone in life into little neatly organized boxes like a lab monkey with a geometric shape test kit.


RE: Digital Downloads
By FITCamaro on 1/17/2008 11:24:12 PM , Rating: 2
More like incredibly sick and twisted.

I still do not understand why DT has not banned his account given some of his views and comments supporting them. You might not agree with me on my political views, but I also don't believe in having sex with 6 year olds.

I just hope he one day gets caught by the authorities and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Me personally, I'd have him executed. Only way to get rid of these sickos once and for all is to get them out of the gene pool.


RE: Digital Downloads
By Vinnybcfc on 1/18/2008 12:32:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah why havent DT done anything?

If they need evidence it is quite easy to find on his account


RE: Digital Downloads
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/18/2008 2:01:09 PM , Rating: 3
Because Dailytech is a forum that believes people have the right to freedom of speech. Whether or not the community agrees with him is beside the point and just like he gets to argue his points, we get to argue ours. Now don't get me wrong, I am in now way, shape or form agreeing with this scum, but he does have the right to post.

Would be a little interesting to see his ass out on the street though, I might just become a lot of liberal with my fists.


RE: Digital Downloads
By Christopher1 on 1/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: Digital Downloads
By roadrun777 on 1/19/2008 12:48:38 PM , Rating: 1
Hitler? Is that you?


RE: Digital Downloads
By Vinnybcfc on 1/18/2008 12:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
Heres another one of Christopher1's posts:

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=9384&...


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