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Despite Blu-ray Disc's momentum, adult video still likes HD DVD

Despite all the talk regarding Blu-ray Disc's momentum after Warner Bros. gave its support exclusively to the format, the high-definition format war is far from over. With the overall high-definition market barely a drop in the bucket when compared to DVD sales, there is still a lot of ground still to be claimed.

Analysts looked early to the adult industry as a  strong decider of the format war. The adult industry is often credited with giving VHS its support, helping the format to edge out Betamax – and some believe that history may repeat itself with the HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc battle.

Digital Playground founder and director Joone originally backed HD DVD, but at this year’s Adult Entertainment Expo he reportedly told German publication Heise Online that his company will be shifting its support to Blu-ray Disc by the end of the year. Joone also said that Blu-ray Disc movies were selling better than HD DVD, a fact that he attributes to the PlayStation 3.

When reached for comment regarding the report, Digital Playground media relations denied its validity, saying, “This is not accurate. We are currently supporting both formats, HD and Blu-ray.”

Another statement from Digital Playground received by a member of the High-Def Digest forum expands further, reading, “We are currently producing both HD DVD and Blu-ray. HD DVD is still a viable market for us and we’re selling a lot of units. There are over a million players out there, so it may be perceived as ‘dead’ in the long term, but on an immediate basis, it’s still a viable market. We will continue to grow our Blu-ray business as well, and for us, it’s going to be a smooth transition if we have to go from one to the other. For the time being, we will continue to release our movies on HD DVD. We have a good, solid customer (HD DVD) base that is buying a healthy quantity, so until that number starts coming down, we will continue supporting it.”

Digital Playground isn't the only adult film studio currently in the high-def arena. Vivid Entertainment Group, the world’s largest adult film producer, expressed to DailyTech plans to stick with HD DVD on grounds of the format’s economic strengths.

“Currently Blu-ray is very expensive to encode and replicate. It probably won't be embraced by the adult industry until the price is lowered,” Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of Vivid Entertainment, told DailyTech. “We will continue to consider [Blu-ray Disc] for some of our blockbuster titles and also continue to produce in HD DVD."

Hirsch’s comments underscore an ongoing concern in the adult film industry: cost. “With DVD sales down as much as 50 percent for some companies, it's difficult to fund new product based on current sales,” said Kathee Brewer, former editor of AVN Online and now an independent analyst and consultant. “So the price of new endeavors becomes a huge issue.”

While producing an HD DVD product requires only minor changes to a standard DVD production line, making a Blu-ray Disc is a much more expensive undertaking since it commands new hardware, analysts from the adult entertainment industry explained.

Although the Blu-ray Disc Association loosened its restrictions on the production of adult content, film producers like Steven Hirsch had to find his own facilities to press movies on that particular format. “Sony is not giving any assistance in the authoring or replication of adult content on Blu-ray,” said the Vivid Entertainment co-chairman in a previous interview.

Now that there are a greater number of Blu-ray Disc replication houses, companies such as Vivid Entertainment and Digital Playground may find it easier to publish its content in blue boxes. One obstacle, besides cost, preventing the adult industry from making a stronger push to Blu-ray Disc is piracy.

“Now there are a few replicators in Asia, who’ll touch adult, but sending masters to the people who are notorious for contributing to the piracy problem is a lot like handing the chickens over to the fox with your blessing,” explained Brewer.

Unlike with VHS and Betamax, it appears that the format war of current day won’t be decided by the adult film industry.



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who cares
By mdogs444 on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: who cares
By retrospooty on 1/17/2008 10:05:10 AM , Rating: 4
It explains it in the article... Because the porn industry is one of the largest sellers of media. They were a major factor in the VHS victory over beta years ago. If they stay with HD-DVD, its a major win, more so than WB, or paramount, or any of the others.


RE: who cares
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 1/17/2008 10:05:57 AM , Rating: 5
I personally feel digital downloads are the third, unmentioned format that will end up winning this whole thing. But we'll see :)


RE: who cares
By rum on 1/17/2008 10:18:07 AM , Rating: 4
Digital downloads really won't come into their own till ISPs actually get decent download speeds.

10 meg download isn't going to cut it, especially with ISPs filtering your downloads to load balance their networks.

Someone isn't going to wait 2 days, at current speeds and filtering, to get a movie they can go get from a local movie rental place within an hour.

digital downloads will become a factor when you can download movies within an hour, till then it will be in a distant third place.


RE: who cares
By lukasbradley on 1/17/2008 10:39:43 AM , Rating: 2
You don't have to wait for the entire program to download before you watch it, even in HD.

http://fyretv.com


RE: who cares
By Belard on 1/18/2008 1:11:16 AM , Rating: 2
Besides being a limited adult ON-DEMAND system, which some cable companies offer simular stuff. It is NOT an HD system, its SD... according to the website.


RE: who cares
By Oregonian2 on 1/18/2008 5:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
Which makes things even more interesting when you've seen half of a movie and the ISP inserts kill-session strings to control data flow.


RE: who cares
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/17/2008 10:43:44 AM , Rating: 2
That's your opinion.

I think you forgot about illegal movie downloads via p2p networks, and that not everyone cares about getting the highest quality movie because many (including me) can find a 700mb rip more than sufficient to be watched 4 feet away or even further.

And for many, a 2 days wait to watch another film is not the end of the world at all.

Why would anyone want to download a simple comedy with no special fx in ultra uber super high definition? Just to get a better view of the goose bumps actors have on their skins?

If you're talking about movies with a lot of special fx or pornography, where people want to see the thing as detailed as possible.


RE: who cares
By littlebitstrouds on 1/17/2008 11:42:41 AM , Rating: 2
So you think people will spend 2k on an HDTV and be happy paying full price for a 700mb movie? Nah, we're talking about the real market, not the p2p market, of which, 95% are illegal downloads. When money's involved, people will want the best they can get, and that's not in the form of downloading yet.


RE: who cares
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/17/2008 12:06:43 PM , Rating: 2
The user whom I was answering was talking about downloads, not "the real market".

So my post is not about "the real market" either, as I was just answering about downloads :)


RE: who cares
By mindless1 on 1/20/2008 12:00:15 PM , Rating: 2
When it comes to downloads it's not just what people want that matters. HD datarates would make for quite massive bandwidth, not so practical for many distributers on the internet vs a closed system like CATV.

700MB is an arbitrary size, was meant to fit on a CDR but there is no reason to think it would still have to be 700MB since there's no CDR involved. It could easily be 2, 4, 8GB, etc. as a download instead of 25GB. Sitting on your couch across the room from an HDTV, do you think you will be able to tell the difference in a 6GB and 25GB movie? Maybe, but what if the quality difference is small and it costs less plus arrives faster?

Yes I think people who spent 2K on a HDTV will still accept some things in less than perfect detail, like when they play their DVDs on it whether those be self owned or rentals or new purchases. Believe it or not many even watch plain old SD TV on their 2K TV.


RE: who cares
By robinthakur on 1/22/2008 12:17:14 PM , Rating: 1
Whilst porn in HD is appealing in theory...and sidestepping the morality of it (for it has no place in this discussion) I think this whole debate is academic. The reason that sales of Porn on dvd have dropped 50% is because it is a product which people are mostly still ashamed of purchasing either in person or on the internet for fear of being found out by persons unknown. Hence an intangible format (download) is much preferred as its easier to hide and the quality is good enough for porn quite frankly.

If they can get it for free this gets even better, and I'm sure the significant majority of p2p traffic is formed of torrented porn, some of it in HD rips. Ths is ideal as you have massive choice, its all free and people are far more likely (even more likely) to pirate it because it already feels slightly 'illegal' and its based on a very real and specific physical needs...

I'd be surprised if they sell many blu-ray copies or HDDVD copies once people settle in and get used to viewing HD. The market now cannot be compared to the videotape wars. The human imperfections made more obvious in HD are more likely to turn off the intended audience than anything else.

Oh and anyone who spends that amount on a TV could at least afford a real life whore :)


RE: who cares
By rum on 1/17/2008 1:02:40 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't just my opinion, it is the opinion of a lot of people I know and a lot I talk to online.

Current speeds suck for digital downloads, especially HD content.

I don't do the illegal p2p for movies and a 700meg movie isn't going to look good on a 52" Sony HD 1080p LCD either.

While you are right, 700meg downloads will be fine for the pirate kiddies out there, most adults won't like it.

If they are going to pay 1k plus for a TV the movies they want to watch on it will be the best quality they can get.

Currently that'll be from going to their local movie rental shop and getting it on DvD, maybe, maybe in a few years they'll be able to sit down, use another remote for another gadget they have to have, and download it from the internet.

But currently our internet speeds suck, and they couldn't handle a neighborhood attempting to do this at one time.


RE: who cares
By Belard on 1/17/2008 2:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
700mb movies look like crap on anything bigger than a 14" screen.

People buy movies on media for a reason. Flexiblity. So when your PC dies, or your HD dies - you may somehow lose all your movies. Besides, downloads tends to be JUST the movie.

I happily bought the Blade Runner Ultimate box set (5 DVDs) with extras. That's about 30~40GB worth of data... Easy to transport to a friend's home to watch, etc etc.

Download to a Hard drive? Consider than 50% of BR discs are double sided (25gb ss/ 50gb ds) and about 85% of HD-DVD discs are Double sided (15gb ss/ 30gb ds) meaning that a large portion on HD-Def data is over 25GB.

So for a person to DL 25GB per movie (taking about 4-8hrs) and storing it, a 1GB HD would hold about 40 movies. Some of us have hundreds of DVDs! And a HD failure can wipe out your collection.

DLs are for portable playres or rentals... not much more.

I pay usually $7~12 per DVD movie... and there are some movies I want to own on HiDef, but I don't need everything to be that good.


RE: who cares
By tmouse on 1/17/2008 10:19:29 AM , Rating: 2
I believe I have read that the adult industry is one of the leaders in adopting this tech as well, so maybe this is where they will make their major push; if you will excuse the pun ;)


RE: who cares
By FITCamaro on 1/17/2008 10:48:27 AM , Rating: 2
Especially with porn since most don't want to go to a store to buy it.


RE: who cares
By jajig on 1/17/2008 10:59:27 AM , Rating: 2
It can be ordered online and delivered to your door, no need for a trip to the store.


RE: who cares
By QueBert on 1/22/2008 3:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
when you say most, the remaining who will buy it in a store is still A LOT of people. I worked at a liquor store that had a small adult DVD section. We'd sell probably 10 DVD's a day, and mind you this was a liquor store, not an adult book store. The market for people to buy dvd's is still huge. Also I have 2 adult book stores within walking distance from my house.


RE: who cares
By BruceLeet on 1/17/2008 10:54:46 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously, because it can display HD and then there's HDD's

Any household that has a HD-DVD/Blu-ray definately has a PC, regulators will loosen up eventually, companies will go digital, it's gonna happen.


RE: who cares
By blowfish on 1/17/2008 11:32:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see that day coming any time soon in the US. Though the military, funded by us taxpayers of course, have access to huge bandwidth using optic fibre, we poor average Joes are at the mercy of the big telcom monopolies and their lobbyists. There seem to be no voices for change in that cosy status quo in government, on both sides. We already pay over the odds for a slower service than our European counterparts, and the infrastructure is already under strain from humble existing traffic - so high sped downloads? I don't think so, except for the favoured few in the more enlightened parts of the country.

I really hope I'm obliged to eat my words, but just don't see US governments taking the matter seriously enough to force thru the required changes. Politicians clearly do very well from things as they stand.


RE: who cares
By theprodigalrebel on 1/17/2008 12:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
A $15 one-month subscription to any of the big porn networks can easily fill up a terabyte or two in a month. One would have to be a complete tech-noob to not see the value in that and splurge on expensive DVDs that barely have two hours of content.

Quality is not important in porn - quantity reigns supreme. The average guy would rather have a new terabyte of porn to watch every month than stock a bookshelf with his 'collection'.

People like to collect movies - it becomes a part of who you are. I look at my Dad's 8-Track/LP/MC/CD/VHS/DVD collection and it represents decades of his life and his passion for the musical & cinematic arts. He takes pride in it and it would be impossible to feel nostalgic about a couple of hard-drives and DVD-Rs packed in a shoebox in a closet. :D

I'm 100% certain digital downloads will dominate physical-media sales in the porn industry (if they haven't already). But for music and movies, I'm just not convinced yet. Maybe if we no longer have artists worth 'collecting' and music/movies become a commodity rather than art, we will just hop on to 'watch/download all you want for a month' subscription services. /shrug


RE: who cares
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/17/2008 12:54:25 PM , Rating: 2
Good point!

I just imagined a guy making a collection of porn and proudly displaying it on a bookshelf to all of his friends and relatives:

"...And I remember when I was 13 and I could sneak into this dark video shop and get hold of the brilliant <Ass 4 the mass>. What a director! this is a masterpiece! You have to see how careful he is with shooting scenes, specially slow motion shots are really impressive and surrealist..."


RE: who cares
By diablosinc on 1/17/2008 1:50:55 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Maybe if we no longer have artists worth 'collecting' and music/movies become a commodity rather than art


seen a marquee at the local cineplex lately? or perhaps tuned in to america's top 40?
lets put it this way...which camp does something like, say...an adam sandler comedy fall into? art or commodity? what about britney spears? what about most anything we call "art" in this country?
if you've seen it, heard about it, listened to it via any of the standard channels in this country, its probably not art. its just a commodity in pretty packaging for all us happy little consumersheep. baaaah...

supreme court defines pornography as "anything that contains no artistic merit and causes sexual thought." so you see...its commercials that'll decide this war!


RE: who cares
By Vanilla Thunder on 1/17/2008 10:16:06 AM , Rating: 1
Millions of porn watchers around the world care. That's who.

V


RE: who cares
By rum on 1/17/2008 10:21:39 AM , Rating: 1
Honestly it is what all the movie companies said at first, BD was way too expensive to put movies on and expect a decent profit.

The only reason companies consider BD is because of Sony and Disney.

Fox was bought out by Sony, and if you seriously don't believe Warner wasn't bought out by Sony, you need to shine up your Sony Fanbois lifetime membership card.

The pr0n industry will have say into which format wins, maybe not as much as with the VCR and Betamax, but it will play a part.


RE: who cares
By Belard on 1/17/2008 11:11:12 AM , Rating: 1
SONY did not need to buy-out FOX or Warner. Both companies have said "no" about this rumor. Paramount admit about the $150 payoff from HD-DVD group. A big difference.

The porn industry DID NOT have a huge effect on the VHS/betamax. They supported both for a long while. Effect yes, major = no.

In today's time: Porn has even LESS effect on HD content. We have the internet... and if you watch the videos on Youtube, enjoy the song "The internet is for porn". ;)

When ALL studios (not including porn) are Blu-Ray and nobody is making HD-DVD players (That is ONLY Toshiba) - nobody in the porn industry is going to be making HD-DVD Porn discs.


RE: who cares
By rum on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: who cares
By Belard on 1/17/2008 2:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
And your "proof" that Sony paid FOX and WB? Fox has been BR for a long time - they and Disney made their reasons known A LONG TIME AGO. Of course you seem to have no issues of HD-DVD paying off Paramount.

I don't own ANY HiDef Player... so your speculation about me is way off.

Your statement about "VCR was cheaper" if funny as hell! Really! The cost of my first VCR that I worked to buy when I was 15 was on sale for $400 in 1985. It was a Mitsubishi 2head mono unit. Beta was very much dead by then. The Porn video industry was just taking off. BluRay drives are starting to hit $300 and up... and its a bit over a year old (consumer) while in 1982, a typical VCR was about $800+.
In 1988, I bought my first HiFi VCR, it was $500 (Original MSRP was $800 but it was last years model).

Today's HiDef players are cheap and killing off the other format now is better than dragging it on for years.

I have no state in either (as you say about yourself) I have neither...


RE: who cares
By Frallan on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: who cares
By FITCamaro on 1/17/2008 10:53:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A. I dont watch much smut


While I don't really watch porn (haven't ever really just due to a) not having a fast internet connection as a kid and b) had a girlfriend when i gained access to a fast internet connection), I don't judge it. There's nothing wrong with porn. Some guys (and girls) like it.

Besides your second comment shows you do watch it but don't want to admit it. You don't just "happen" upon porn.


RE: who cares
By cenobite9 on 1/17/2008 11:30:34 AM , Rating: 3
I don't watch smut either... I just experience it first hand at the topless bar!


RE: who cares
By theapparition on 1/17/2008 12:06:13 PM , Rating: 2
I don't watch smut either.

I perfer to think of them as training films for my wife.


RE: who cares
By FITCamaro on 1/17/2008 12:24:23 PM , Rating: 2
Here here.

For all the women who think porn degrades women, stop being jealous you're not as openminded. Or as hot and flexible.


RE: who cares
By Christopher1 on 1/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: who cares
By eye smite on 1/18/2008 1:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
And I guarantee you when that day arrives people like you will have the crosshairs put on that chest and be treated to a dose of hot spinning lead. You're free to think what you want and speak what you want, but if you start imposing your beliefs or wants on other people through force, you will have the 2nd ammendment used on you. That's called a come to Jesus meeting.


RE: who cares
By mindless1 on 1/20/2008 12:46:48 PM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of women who aren't particularly (if at all) religious that do think porn degrades women. IMO, it's largely due to the fact that pron doesn't take much thought, the women are often being seen as objects instead of individuals. This matters to many women because they realize that there needs to be an emotional bond not just physical, that as a race humans have to reproduce and in doing so the man needs to stick around and meet responsibilities, not just go off and bork some other woman.

Since porn focuses on the sex acts not the consequences, and often not monogamous behavior or birth control, the problem lies not just in what is presented but also in what is omitted. I suppose I'm saying that some people can effectively distinguish fantasy from reality and some can't, that whether you're male or female you could be in either group.


RE: who cares
By robinthakur on 1/22/2008 12:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
Happily, porn also degrades a large quantity of very hot and flexible guys, so the sexist argument hardly holds water these days :D Thanks for the equality!!


RE: who cares
By chick0n on 1/17/2008 12:16:40 PM , Rating: 1
Guess what I just found on p2p ?

[Dixixxl Pxxxxxxxxd].BXxYxxxxxxs.XXX.HDDVD.720p

LOL !

If they go Blu-ray, I think I will buy it, cuz its really *clear*.

For me, No inferior crap, so HD-DVD is not for me.


RE: who cares
By napalmjack on 1/17/2008 12:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
For me, No inferior crap, so HD-DVD is not for me.


Are saying the picture is inferior? Seriously??


RE: who cares
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/17/2008 1:27:47 PM , Rating: 3
Ironic since all HD DVD's are in 1080p on the VC-1 Codec......... Blu-Ray uses the exact same (Although some earlier BR movies used Mpeg-2, for some weird reason).


RE: who cares
By cmdrdredd on 1/17/2008 4:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
Master Kenobi, there has never been a Blu-Ray player at 1080i, but all the firesale players from Toshiba were 1080i not 1080p... inferior yes.

Oh and Lets see, Disney uses Mpeg4-AVC encoding on ALL of their titles. And lets also see, oh yes...how many HD DVD disks have Dolby Digital sound and NOT True HD or any form of lossless sound? Oh and what about DTS HD MA? HD DVD can't do it at full bitrate and there is no HD DVD commercially available which uses DTS HD MA which many say sounds better than Uncompressed PCM or TrueHD.

Anyhow, the porn industry going with HD DVD is only because it's cheaper for them. They don't have to buy all new equipment and they definately don't master everything in HD, I guarantee you'll see HD DVD Porn titles that are the same DVD only thrown through a digital process to upconvert it to 1080p and they'll slap in a couple features on the "actors" or some nonsense and call it HD.

The porn ndustry as it relates to videos won't do jack to the HDM format war which is already won for the most part. The industry will still release DVDs and for most of the world DVD is as good as they want or need. Especially for porn. Not to mention that the internet is so riddled with all the pornographic material you want, many DVDs are available for download, and much more is there that never come to video at all. The industry has no muscle to push HD DVD anywhere.


RE: who cares
By napalmjack on 1/17/2008 5:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
Good post, and I can't disagree with your points, but I was really talking about the picture, as opposed to the sound. In porn, sound is nice, but do I care if the woman screaming is in Dolby Digital or TrueHD or super-duper-it-costs-a-million-dollars-to-reproduce -on-my-home-reference-system sound? No.

quote:
I guarantee you'll see HD DVD Porn titles that are the same DVD only thrown through a digital process to upconvert it to 1080p and they'll slap in a couple features on the "actors" or some nonsense and call it HD.


You are absolutely spot-on. I could sort of compare it to when DVD's were first coming out. Old movies were not remastered at first; they were only transferred over from the originals. Better than VHS, but only slightly.

If you are a true audiophile and can afford to buy all the stuff that can make you tell a difference between the two, then I have no problem saying that Blu-Ray fits you better than HD-DVD. In fact, I say you SHOULD be on here posting in favor of it; it is not only your right, it's your duty to opine. But it's a 2-way street. A lot of us can't afford it and went to Wal-Mart when they had their $98 sale a couple months ago.


RE: who cares
By diablosinc on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: who cares
By SPOOOK on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: who cares
By cmdrdredd on 1/17/2008 4:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
Spook...just go away


RE: who cares
By napalmjack on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
Love the Article Image!
By SpaceRanger on 1/17/2008 10:00:24 AM , Rating: 3
LOL.




RE: Love the Article Image!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/17/2008 10:08:14 AM , Rating: 3
That image of "The Hedgehog" nearly made me lose my breakfast


RE: Love the Article Image!
By Mitch101 on 1/17/2008 11:18:51 AM , Rating: 4
Ron Jeremy was thin?


RE: Love the Article Image!
By SpaceRanger on 1/17/2008 12:07:19 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah... He was in shape back in the 70's.. Wasn't until after his "fame" did he put on a ton...


RE: Love the Article Image!
By Belard on 1/17/2008 12:34:00 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah... and he has still had sex with more women in his lifetime (hell, this year alone) than any of us on this website.

I just thought of something... if ya painted Ron Green, he'd look like Shrek, but scarier. ;) Hmmm.. that could be a porn movie, he's done porn in a clown suit with makeup (Don't ask)... ;)


RE: Love the Article Image!
By rsra13 on 1/17/2008 1:20:28 PM , Rating: 4
I'd say he has had more sex in any day than more than 90% of the people on this website. :D


RE: Love the Article Image!
By MAIA on 1/18/2008 11:46:19 AM , Rating: 2
Pornographic Film Industry Still Firmly Behind HD DVD

or better yet

Pornographic Film Industry Still Firmly HD DVD Behind


New Pic Please
By Vanilla Thunder on 1/17/2008 10:14:22 AM , Rating: 2
As much as I love the "Hedgehog", I think the pic for this article could use be a little sexier. =\

V




RE: New Pic Please
By DeepBlue1975 on 1/17/2008 10:46:25 AM , Rating: 1
Sexier = female.

A male porn actor in a technological oriented site which is visited mostly by men, is not sexy at all.
At least not for most of us (gay people is estimated to be less than 20%, so for more than 80% of us visiting this site, that picture is just plain awful)


RE: New Pic Please
By robinthakur on 1/22/2008 12:32:09 PM , Rating: 2
Actually most gay *guys* find Ron Jeremy repulsive, but your point still stands! I can't imagine what lesbians think about him. Hmmm. Sexier can be attributed to male or female, I'm sure more than a few girls read dailytech along with a legion of gay geeks :) Gay geeks are to be feared indeed. Lacking kids, school fees, full mortgage costs and ever thieving wives/gf etc, we can afford a HELL of a lot of techstuff. If you don't see many of us posting here, its because we're all transfixed by 300 running in HD on our 52" LCD's...


RE: New Pic Please
By bldckstark on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: New Pic Please
By Belard on 1/17/2008 2:11:10 PM , Rating: 4
Let's see....

Hmmm... I can go out, have sex with maybe 1-3 women today and GET PAID for it... or Stay at home and do it alone?

Which do you think most guys would take, if they could or willing? ;)


RE: New Pic Please
By amanojaku on 1/17/2008 3:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
Believe it or not I would really be cautious about doing porn.

First, there's the risk of infection, with the most recent widespread event happening only 3 years ago. Having sex with hot women is great, until you get gonorrhea or AIDS. Several stars have died from their diseases. Others turned to drugs once they learned about their illnesses and overdosed.

Second, men in porn get paid beans. Male actors will tell you they were living paycheck to paycheck for years until they made it big. Most say the only thing they got was 20 minutes sex sessions with women who hated their guts.

Last, in the competitive world of porn some guys are forced to get penis enhancements (length, girth, or both.) That sounds like a great idea, until you learn that you can loose sensation (I can't feel anything!!!) or the ability to get an erection.

Of course, if you put away the PC and game consoles once in a while you might find plenty of women to jump your bones. :-)


RE: New Pic Please
By onwisconsin on 1/17/2008 11:17:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
until they made it big.


...in the actual movies and real life...


RE: New Pic Please
By Belard on 1/18/08, Rating: -1
RE: New Pic Please
By jeff834 on 1/18/2008 12:20:26 AM , Rating: 2
Why should you stop playing on the computer and consoles to meet girls, when there are plenty of very cute young women (18-24) playing the same games? I found one, it ain't that hard. I don't know about you, but I like to have some things in common with girls I date as well as physical attraction.


RE: New Pic Please
By Christopher1 on 1/18/2008 12:12:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, and guess what? Those women outside of porn are just as likely, actually UNLIKELY, to have AIDS or another STD.

I'll put it bluntly: 3,000 sexual encounters with 300 or so people in 20 years, and I STILL have not ever gotten an STD except for mono, and that I got from a cousin when she kissed me on the cheek!

Also, men in porn get paid a lot more than you think. I have a distant relative who works in the porn industry (5-6 times removed) and he gets paid about 30,000 dollars per year.

He is just smart and lives in a apartment with other people, saves his money up, and doesn't while it away frivolously, like most people today do.

He still treats himself pretty well, but he drives a 6 year old Honda, doesn't go on a shopping spree every 3 months, and always looks online for the best price on EVERYTHING.

At the end of the year, he has about 10,000 dollars to put into his retirement fund.


RE: New Pic Please
By amanojaku on 1/18/2008 6:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
Sigh... I know I shouldn't bother replying to YOU of all people, but...

quote:
Yeah, and guess what? Those women outside of porn are just as likely, actually UNLIKELY, to have AIDS or another STD.


The difference here is that most porn actors and actresses don't use condoms. Believe it or not, proper use of condoms actually LOWERS the risk of infection from STDs. Then there's the fact that everyone you have sex with in a porn film has had sex with so many other people. If one of them gets an STD it spreads like wild fire. People outside of porn don't have sex with that many people, so the risk of infection is low from that perspective.

quote:
3,000 sexual encounters with 300 or so people in 20 years, and I STILL have not ever gotten an STD except for mono


You're an admitted pedophile. It's difficult to get an STD from someone who's never had sex before. I'm sure you'll argue that the majority of these encounters were with adults, as if that matters. From what you've said you're either a lying weirdo or a truthful pervert. Either way it's been proven that STDs spread fastest among those who have sexual contact with a large number of people. I wasn't advocating being a swinger, just getting some, PERIOD . With ADULTS . Porn is a waste of time when there is a warm body with a warm heart out looking for a meaningful relationship, which is where the best sex is found.

quote:
I have a distant relative who works in the porn industry (5-6 times removed) and he gets paid about 30,000 dollars per year.


$30,000 isn't that much money. I make WAY more than that from conventional work. Granted, I don't get paid to have raunchy sex with women, but you win some, you loose some. Besides, ONE great woman is better than an army of mediocre ones.


RE: New Pic Please
By amanojaku on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: New Pic Please
By robinthakur on 1/22/2008 12:37:14 PM , Rating: 1
...so masturbation is also a homosexual act because most gay guys do that too you know? Basides if you could I know you would. My dog seems to love it and he's not gay :)


RE: New Pic Please
By BucDan on 1/17/2008 6:58:33 PM , Rating: 2
Well... Most beautiful women in the world? there are alot of girls out there that are good lookin. most beautiful? maybe, but one of the slutiest ones ever... who do nothing much but have sex for media attention and money...not very cool... kinda life-less i say, and guys like him are just lucky to have sex with sluts that are willing to do so. strippers arent as bad.


All I read was the title
By eye smite on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: All I read was the title
By jajig on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: All I read was the title
By napalmjack on 1/17/2008 10:40:33 AM , Rating: 5
I think that he's alluding to the fact that they are still "firmly behind" HD-DVD...

Haha.


RE: All I read was the title
By ATC on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: All I read was the title
By eye smite on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: All I read was the title
By elpresidente2075 on 1/17/2008 11:36:15 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Why would I care what they do with anything.


Because they've been the major driving force behind not only VHS, but also the (purported) driving force behind the proliferation of cheap, very high speed internet in residential neighborhoods. I'm sure there are more things that they've driven, but I'm not in a mood to do research at the moment.

Bottom line is, they appeal to an innate part of human existence, and since their market is nearly everyone in the world, their sales will either drive or kill any format.

Personally though, I don't see why anyone would buy a porno on disk or otherwise.


RE: All I read was the title
By drebo on 1/17/2008 2:53:25 PM , Rating: 1
Virtually all internet security measures for websites were developed for/sponsored heavily by the porn industry.


RE: All I read was the title
By Haven Bartton on 1/17/2008 2:59:54 PM , Rating: 2
There's also much to suggest the porn industry has helped with creating low-cost professional video equipment, especially in HD.

Not that I like the fact... the less the porn industry has to do with my industry, the better, even if that means sacrificing some developments.


RE: All I read was the title
By amanojaku on 1/17/2008 3:20:54 PM , Rating: 1
Obviously, you DO care. You posted here, which means you clicked on the article link FIRST. You could have just skipped it, but no... :-p

Besides, the article is less about the porn industry and more about it's potential impact on the survival of HD DVD.


RE: All I read was the title
By eye smite on 1/17/2008 8:25:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I cared enough to say they're garbage and it's not worth reading the article. Perhaps you didn't see the title to my post saying "All I read was the title"? I'm guessing you suffer from perception issues as well?


RE: All I read was the title
By gramboh on 1/17/2008 3:25:24 PM , Rating: 1
Sounds like someone has some security issues around sexuality. Indoctrinated by a church perhaps?


RE: All I read was the title
By eye smite on 1/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: All I read was the title
By Belard on 1/18/2008 1:21:40 AM , Rating: 1
AFAIK... nobody goes to these people and puts a gun to a head and say "Ho! You gonna get pounded on video can get paid thousands of dollars, or else!" Correct that many people have problems - and doing porn is an easy way to make money.

There are some WHO do like doing that sort of work, I think mostly indies. I bumped into one (didn't know she did porn) called Joanna Angel... from what I can tell, its her and some friends making their own porn and making money doing it.

Corrupting industry? Can you say that the PC world isn't corrupt? (Microsoft, Intel, etc) Music industry (RIAA, studios who rip off artist, decide WHO gets air-play), Cigerette companies are very nice (NOT!), the list goes on. There is always a level of corruption in EVERY business area.

Personally, Porn is somewhat healthy for MEN... think of all that aggression that is worked out. Perhaps if they allowed PORN in terrorist countries - they wouldn't be so full of anger.


RE: All I read was the title
By eye smite on 1/18/2008 12:07:54 PM , Rating: 3
You know, I didn't post what I did to make comparisons to other levels of corruption to other aspects of society, I was commenting on this one. So most of your post I'm ignoring. However you do touch on one thing I'll discuss. You say porn is healthy for men. Ok, lets look at what that statement says. It says porn is catering to men and women that have no control over their hormones. Hormonal rage or urge is a baic behaviour that every living creature on earth exhibits. So, that means you give into primal urges that your supposedly sophisticated, higher developed brain obviously has no control over. That means because you give into these primal urges and support objects in society that further facilitate these primal urges, you are nothing more than an animal on the rutt. Lack of control on these primal urges leads in some cases to rape and it certainly leads to you treating someone else in a dehumanizing manner. But, I guess that's expected from a base animal that hungers for porn eh.


"Adult" Pornographic Film Industry
By napalmjack on 1/17/2008 10:31:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Adult Pornographic Film Industry Still Firmly Behind HD DVD


As opposed to the fledgling Non-Adult Pornographic Film Industry, who are still standing behind Blu-Ray...




RE: "Adult" Pornographic Film Industry
By James Holden on 1/17/2008 11:06:22 AM , Rating: 2
Gee... don't encourage Christopher1 to show up...


By littlebitstrouds on 1/17/2008 11:37:26 AM , Rating: 1
Or masher2... oh wait, he works for DT... sigh


By Christopher1 on 1/18/2008 12:00:27 PM , Rating: 1
Too late, I'm here, and I would really like to make a complaint against you but am not bothering because it isn't worth my time.


RE: "Adult" Pornographic Film Industry
By xphile on 1/17/2008 9:09:50 PM , Rating: 2
"Adult Pornographic Film Industry Still Firmly Behind HD DVD"

Just how "firmly" behind HD-DVD are they? And hasn't HD-DVD been screwed enough from behind already lately?

Does everyone go out to write these beautiful double entendre headings deliberately at Daily Tech or is this accidental :-)


By napalmjack on 1/17/2008 10:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever the case, I wish it not to stop.
They make life a little more worth living;)


How many people...
By SirLucius on 1/17/2008 11:50:27 AM , Rating: 5
...still pay for porn? Obviously there are still people paying up since the industry isn't dead/dying. But with the abundance of free porn on the internet, it seems like the industry has to have taken a hit. I don't know anybody that has ever payed for porn, outside of the few that bought a porn mag or DVD and cigarettes when they turned 18 as a sort of joke.

In terms of the HD war, I don't see how porn will have that much of an influence. Or at least the same amount of influence that the industry had in the VHS/Beta war. It seems like the majority of people get their porn fix off the internet and watch said porn on the computer. Why pay for it when it's in your face enough already?

Personally, I don't want to see porn in HD. Most pornstars are so heavily made-up/plastic that seeing them in a higher resolution would just reveal all sorts of flaws that kinda defeat the purpose of porn in the first place.




RE: How many people...
By wempa on 1/17/2008 12:27:19 PM , Rating: 2
I agree totally. I can't see how the porn industry could have a big impact this time around. Back in the days of the VHS-Betamax war, times were completely different. Movies were expensive and nobody really owned a lot of them. The internet was not around, so there was no easy way to get porn. To be able to have real porn VIDEO as opposed to magazines was a big deal. Nowadays, movies are relatively cheap and very abundant. Porn videos are everywhere on the internet. The major stores selling all the DVDs ... Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City as well as online stores like Amazon are NOT selling porn. They are making their money on real movies. I just don't buy the argument that porn is going to have any major impact in this format war.


RE: How many people...
By Christopher1 on 1/18/2008 12:04:30 PM , Rating: 1
You are pretty much right on target with all your points. The availability of 'amateur porn' is that is killing the adult industry now, the fact that most people want to download porn online (save an 'embarrassing' trip to the adult video store), and the fact that porn videos online are pretty cheap and abundant.... that pretty much means that the adult industry is not going to decide the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray wars, unless you count them spurring people to invest in higher-capacity DVD's of one format or another to save their porn collections on!


RE: How many people...
By wempa on 1/18/2008 12:53:21 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Also, think of this. With porn, it's not really necessary to have an entire movie. Who the heck watches an entire movie for its plot ? I would bet that most times, people just want to watch a quick scene to get off and be done with it. So, a porn DVD is not really necessary. Go download a 10 minute clip complete with money shot and you're set ! :)


By boobot on 1/17/2008 11:28:17 AM , Rating: 5
Not for Schlong!

Blu-Ray FTW!




I've always downloaded porn
By jajig on 1/17/2008 10:06:43 AM , Rating: 2
It's so much quicker to find the part you want to watch using a seek bar than the fast-forward on a remote!




By ryedizzel on 1/17/2008 3:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised I haven't seen this article posted on Dailytech yet. According to CNN Wal-Mart no longer plans to carry HD-DVD players in their stores. The only way you can buy them is online:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2008...




More FUD from Dailytech
By winterspan on 1/18/2008 3:47:36 PM , Rating: 1
God I swear this stupid website is so unbelievably slanted in favor of HD-DVD. Just look at your "past 7 days" articles, there are FOUR pro-HD-DVD "The battle is not over - keep the faith"-type bullshit articles, and nothing about Bluray since CES.
And quite using the stupid excuse "HD sales are a drop in the bucket compared to DVD..." This is true, but it has ZERO BEARING on the format war.
As soon as one side (Blu-ray in this case) gets enough momentum, everyone will jump ship and it will be over.

Watch the next few weeks for Paramount's announcement to go format neutral.




Far from over? Er, what?
By Belard on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: Far from over? Er, what?
By Oregonian2 on 1/17/2008 2:40:06 PM , Rating: 3
Don't the industry figures come from sources that... uh.. aren't distributors of Porn? IOW - the porn volume isn't included?


The Stupid Betamax Analogy Returns
By BansheeX on 1/17/08, Rating: -1
By rockyct on 1/18/2008 1:53:20 AM , Rating: 1
Here's a now funny clip from a year ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePcCPtryCfU


By eye smite on 1/18/2008 2:23:07 PM , Rating: 1
I have to agree with him about betamax. I was alive during those days and as I recall, Sony wanted to keep beta proprietary and not license any other companies to produce beta tape players. Naturally the industry turned towards vhs and drove beta out of the market completely where home users were concerned.


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