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Logitech on the up amidst Microsoft bid talk

In the world of computer users, there are two types of mouse and keyboard users – those who prefer Microsoft and those who prefer Logitech. Oddly enough, Microsoft itself may prefer Logitech as stock traders speculated that the software giant would launch a takeover bid for the Swiss-based peripherals maker.

Shares of Logitech surged up to 12 percent based on the trader talk, despite comments from Logitech’s Daniel Borel expressing no desire to sell his stake in the company.

"I am a co-founder of Logitech. Would you be willing to sell your child?" Borel told Reuters in an interview. "I have no reason to sell. But I will not be the one to decide. I own only some 6 percent so I will neither enable nor prevent a sale of Logitech."

Buzz circulated in the market that Microsoft prepared a takeover bid of 48 francs per share for Logitech. "Rumours are rumours. I can't make any specific comment on them," Borel added.

Not everyone believes that the Logitech shares jump is a result of an impending takeover. "Today's share price rise is probably more related to a rebound in the market than any rumours," said an analyst at bank Vontobel.

Furthermore, even if Microsoft were interested in buying Logitech, the company would first need to overcome antitrust regulatory issues.

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Monopoly much?
By ImSpartacus on 1/11/2008 3:29:05 PM , Rating: 5
When in doubt, buy all your competator's companies.

RE: Monopoly much?
By FITCamaro on 1/11/2008 3:45:24 PM , Rating: 4
Honestly I don't think Microsoft has anything to fear from Logitech. Both companies make excellent products in the keyboard and mouse area. Granted Logitech does do more enthusiast level products while Microsoft usually sticks to products that everyone might want. I've got a wireless keyboard and mouse from both companies. Both work great. And if anything I'd give Microsoft an edge in the battery life department. I've had my Microsoft keyboard and mouse for a year now. Have only had to replace the batteries in the keyboard once. The mouse is still on the same set of batteries. And this is at work so they both get at least 8 hours of use, 5 days a week.

Honestly if Microsoft is looking to take over Logitech, then it would just be to add their expertise to Microsoft's own. They would also gain an excellent manufacturer of PC speakers which Microsoft currently lacks a business unit for (I believe).

RE: Monopoly much?
By FITCamaro on 1/11/2008 3:48:43 PM , Rating: 4
And honestly I'm not sure they would be able to buy Logitech. It would give them probably over 95% of the keyboard and mouse market.

I guess if I had to have an opinion about the takeover, I'd prefer Microsoft not take them over. Two separate companies will produce better products at a better price with the competition in the market place existing than if it doesn't.

RE: Monopoly much?
By TomZ on 1/11/2008 4:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think they would combine to that high of a marketshare. Last I remember, a few years back, is both companies each having in the 20-30% share.

RE: Monopoly much?
By darkpaw on 1/11/2008 4:33:57 PM , Rating: 5
Might be a large % of the high end kb/mouse market, but the vast majority of those products are produced at the ultracheap end.

Logitech and MS both have products at that end, but theres also tons of no name competitors that have a pretty good size share.

RE: Monopoly much?
By qwertyz on 1/13/08, Rating: -1
RE: Monopoly much?
By Magnus Dredd on 1/11/08, Rating: -1
RE: Monopoly much?
By xti on 1/11/2008 5:13:54 PM , Rating: 5
The spring in the wheel is so weak that I cannot scroll without clicking the middle mouse button.

Holy fat fingers batman!

RE: Monopoly much?
By Brockway on 1/12/2008 12:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
I have this problem too with their bluetooth laser intellimouse. You can accidently click it while scrolling, and you can accidently scroll while clicking. Its annoying as heck, especially since its a $70 mouse. I forget the designation, but its the grey steel one.

RE: Monopoly much?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/12/2008 2:05:27 PM , Rating: 2
And I'm still using a 5-Din Pin keyboard without that blasted Windows Key!
Seriously, Play a game and when you are button mashing trying to survive in an fps and you hit it on accident... Well I don't know about anyone else but all hell breaks loose on my end.

RE: Monopoly much?
By Clauzii on 1/14/2008 6:10:35 AM , Rating: 2
If on XP, You'll need this:

To disable use of the WIN-key in XP, open the registry and navigate to:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEM\CurrentControlSetContro l\
Keyboard Layout].

Find the value 'Scancode Map'. Set its value to:

"00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 5B E0 00 00 5C E0 00 00 00 00"

RE: Monopoly much?
By dayanth on 1/14/2008 7:02:35 AM , Rating: 2
Well, INSTEAD of destroying your registry with editing it by hand, you can just go into your Control Panel->Keyboard->Key Settings Tab.

Then edit what the keys will or won't do on your Win-Key featured keyboard. :-)

RE: Monopoly much?
By spudboy23 on 1/14/2008 8:03:20 PM , Rating: 2
um, i edit the registry at least once a week on various machines and i have yet to "destroy" any of them. idk what is with the fear-mongering that people do about stuff like this. many KB articles on MS support site specifically tell you to edit the registry for resolution of various problems.

RE: Monopoly much?
By Vanilla Thunder on 1/14/2008 11:56:37 AM , Rating: 2
Or you can pickup a Logitech G11/15 which has a "gaming mode" switch that disables the Windows button on your board.


RE: Monopoly much?
By tastyratz on 1/15/08, Rating: 0
RE: Monopoly much?
By StevoLincolnite on 1/22/2008 5:31:04 AM , Rating: 4
I Apologies if no one is exactly perfect like you're self, and never make mistakes. - Maybe you might grow out of that ignorance one day.

RE: Monopoly much?
By Motley on 1/11/2008 5:16:29 PM , Rating: 3
I've never had a problem with the microsoft mice at all. Of course, they make like 12 different versions of the mouse, so it's quite possible that the one you have has a weaker middle button. But that is why they make 12 different ones. I'd guess buying a mouse with a more sensitive middle button when you obviously have dexterity problems would be a user error.

RE: Monopoly much?
By Chernobyl68 on 1/11/2008 5:58:15 PM , Rating: 2
I've used a Logitech trackman trackball-mouse for years, I hope if this deal goes though that something similiar is still offered.

RE: Monopoly much?
By glennpratt on 1/12/2008 11:32:35 AM , Rating: 2
I know what he's talking about and it's not dexterity problems, there are several mice I've used where it takes about equal force to click the middle mouse button as it does to scroll down and you will frequently do the opposite of what you intended.

Many Logitech mice have strong middle button resistance and almost no scroll resistance, so you will frequently scroll middle while clicking middle.

Yes you can train yourself not to, but really, should you have to?

RE: Monopoly much?
By Magnus Dredd on 1/14/2008 9:34:34 AM , Rating: 2
First off, the reason I buy the Logitech mice is because I used the cheapo versions in computer labs and other people's houses before I ever bought one. Even the cheap Logictech mice work well. The (I didn't purchase it) Dell OEM mouse that I use at work is a Logitech.

The reason that I disdain Microsoft mice is drawn from the same places. I have used other people's, and lab mice. Perhaps it's not all of them, however, almost all of the Microsoft mice I've touched has had ridiculously weak springs. Weak to the point that when doing IT work for people using them, I've noticed lots of inadvertent middle clicks by their owners.

Simply notice the number of replies above by people who know what I'm talking about.

So, given that I've never had this issue with ANY other brand of mouse, why the hell would I buy a Microsoft mouse, especially a more expensive one than the standard $10 to $15 Logitech one I normally buy?

Let's see... This mouse sucks, so I should try out the other mice this company offers until I find one they make that has a decent spring.... Screw that, I'll buy from a company that doesn't make ANY crappy mice.

RE: Monopoly much?
By PandaBear on 1/11/2008 9:21:33 PM , Rating: 3
On the contrary I like MS mouse better than Logitech. I think it is really a personal preference rather than one is crap the other is gold.

RE: Monopoly much?
By The Sword 88 on 1/13/2008 12:25:51 AM , Rating: 2
I agree I love my Logitech MX518 but MS makes some nice mice as well, as for keyboards, I dont care that much.

I do think both of them staying separate is best for the consumer though

RE: Monopoly much?
By djtodd on 1/14/2008 8:27:56 AM , Rating: 2
QFT. I'm on my second mx518 now and it's hands down the best mouse I've ever used.

RE: Monopoly much?
By Magnus Dredd on 1/14/2008 10:00:29 AM , Rating: 2
Actually My current favorite keyboard is an OEM IBM model. This one: I buy my keyboards for $1 or $2 each at salvage yards, generally new or in great condition. My last purchase was 5 of these (new in boxes) for $10. Previously I mostly bought the beige PS2 Dell Quiet touch keyboards.

The current Dell keyboards with the volume knob are ok, but the IBM's have a nicer feel to the keys, and they're also more flat in design.

Interestingly, for USB keyboards I like the Apple keyboards that used to come with the G4 Macs. This one: The Apple key is easily mapped as a Windows key. I don't like the last keyboard Apple made, and I really, really hate Apple's new keyboards.

RE: Monopoly much?
By winterspan on 1/12/08, Rating: -1
RE: Monopoly much?
By dluther on 1/13/2008 12:45:58 AM , Rating: 2
Both companies make excellent products. I've been using the Microsoft Natural keyboards for over 13 years now, and it has not only saved me from a horrible case of carpal tunnel syndrome, it has actually helped reverse those effects. Unfortunately, that particular design is not duplicated anywhere else.

Microsoft is probably suffering from growing pains in the peripheral business. It would be nice for them to own a subsidiary that only produces such peripherals (keyboards, mice, headsets, gaming accessories) because Microsoft is not a hardware company, but they do have very deep pockets.

Having to essentially devote a department or two to design and outsourcing manufacturing, and with their taking a page from Apple's playbook and closing the XBox 360, Microsoft's hardware division must be pulling their hair out.

I don't know who OEMs Microsoft's peripherals, but if it's a publicly traded company, that company's stock is probably taking a downturn. Certain OEM blogs surely will have mentioned a large customer not renewing standing orders or offering reduced guidance...

RE: Monopoly much?
By Wagnbat on 1/12/2008 5:31:38 PM , Rating: 2
Are OEM mice Microsoft or Logitech? Maybe... But I do also have razor mice, Kensington keyboards and blah blah blah.

But I don't think Microsoft should be allowed to acquire Logitech by US Monopoly laws. As mentioned above, between the two companies they own far too much of the market share, and though there are other companies, such a juggernaut would be hard to compete against except with 'niche' customers, like the gamers who currently enjoy 4000+ dpi gaming mice from Razor and OCZ.

The real loser here will be the general consumer. Microsoft loves to bully people around, and when those people don't play they buy them out or cut them off. One example is a recently failed MMO that was going to be fantastic. Microsoft was the producer and at the last minute said 'You're going to make this a Vista only game'. The company said FU and went with Sony instead. SoE as usual screwed the game to shat... But everyone knows SoE does that. The real perp here is MS with their greedy business tactics.

Last but not least, I don't know the specific market share between the two companies, but I'm sure selling peripherals is equally as lucrative for them remaining seperate. Every wireless peripheral for the 360 is made by MS aside from the most recent Guitar Hero III guitar. And every peripheral is required to work with Windows Vista (coincidence?).

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