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Blu-ray Disc downgradable for PSP viewing coming later this year

Sony demonstrated at CES 2008 a new feature that would allow a PlayStation 3 to prepare a playable movie for the PSP on Memory Stick Duo using a Blu-ray Disc movie as the source.

"This way, you can have a portable copy you can take with you," said David Bishop, president of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, adding that this was just one of the new features coming to Blu-ray Disc. "There was always the promise of greater interactivity. You'll see that coming in the new year."

The feature will likely be on a disc-by-disc basis, as rather than having the PlayStation 3 re-encode movies for the PSP’s resolution, a PSP-specific version would be stored on the Blu-ray Disc media. This grants the original movie studios’ professional encoding artists to optimize the video for viewing on a handheld system. This also means, however, that current Blu-ray Disc movies may not be able to make the seamless transition to the PSP.

The ability to downgrade a movie to a portable resolution was first seen on Fox’s Live Free, Die Hard and Warner’s Harry Potter: The Order of the Phoenix on standard-definition DVD.

Should this feature truly become commonplace on Blu-ray Disc and DVD movies, then it makes the UMD movie format a rather hard sell. With new UMD movies priced not much cheaper than Blu-ray Disc and DVD, the added utility of having both a home theater and a portable version at one’s disposal could spell the end of the PSP-specific disc format.



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On the other hand
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/8/2008 4:58:13 PM , Rating: 5
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the added utility of having both a home theater and a portable version at one’s disposal could spell the end of the PSP-specific disc format.


When this does come to fruition, it could also deal the death blow to HD-DVD. If it works flawlessly, I would likely buy a PSP for this reason as it would be a great portable movie player for long road trips. If it works flawlessly though.




RE: On the other hand
By Bioniccrackmonk on 1/8/2008 5:00:47 PM , Rating: 3
Meant to add that buying a hi-def movie and having a standard def version available instead of buying both is pretty sweet for consumers.


RE: On the other hand
By othercents on 1/8/2008 5:06:14 PM , Rating: 3
Two flaws to this idea.

1) You have to own both a PS3 and a PSP. The market is too small for this to make a difference on HD DVD demise.

2) HD DVD already has the ability to play either HD or standard format from one disk. Well at least thats what I'm told.

Other


RE: On the other hand
By PandaBear on 1/8/2008 5:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
Step 1) Someone buy a BR movie and convert it to Memory Stick for PSP

Step 2) Someone took that MS and take it out as a file for PC

Step 3) Someone convert it to a standard/open format for PC and put it on torrent

Step 4) People download and put it in their PSPs

Everyone except the movie studio is happy.


RE: On the other hand
By othercents on 1/8/2008 5:12:36 PM , Rating: 4
Thats not new.. Everyone who has a PSP already does that.


RE: On the other hand
By dluther on 1/8/2008 6:56:14 PM , Rating: 2
It could be done with hardware signature encoding.

Both the PS3 and the PSP have unique hardware signatures that could be combined to both encrypt and watermark the target file, and render the file unusable on anything but the registered target device(s). The private keys would use a combination of the PS3's and the PSP's MAC addresses as the public key to validate the content.

Viola -- DRM problem solved. Everyone who wants to use this feature can only do so if they have the disc and hardware, playable only on the licensed target hardware.

Seriously, this is not a difficult undertaking. I mean, this is Sony's world and they can do whatever they want to, and there's no law that says the ripped movies have to conform to any standard other than what Sony says.


RE: On the other hand
By PandaBear on 1/8/2008 9:17:49 PM , Rating: 2
Put mod chip in a PS3 will pretty much make it a universal ripping device. Just wait till someone crack the encryption and or mode the PSP and DRM no more.


RE: On the other hand
By Brockway on 1/9/2008 7:30:52 AM , Rating: 3
You don't need a mod chip, you can already rip and encode bluray movies in linux on the ps3.


RE: On the other hand
By spluurfg on 1/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: On the other hand
By Mach Omega on 1/8/2008 5:17:36 PM , Rating: 5
PS3 hard drive.


RE: On the other hand
By spluurfg on 1/10/2008 7:03:27 AM , Rating: 2
You can't use your PS3 hard drive on a plane... suppose you are going on a vacation with your PSP? Are your options not then limited to either UMD's or memory stick storage? If using the latter, does that not also limit the number of movies you can store on a single memory stick? I'm no PSP owner, so correct me if I'm wrong here.


RE: On the other hand
By Alexstarfire on 1/8/2008 6:08:43 PM , Rating: 3
Yea, those are some pretty big flaws, but I don't understand why you couldn't just go convert a regular DVD to this format as well. Why does it HAVE to be Blu-Ray only? It's not like the PSP has better resolution than a DVD anyways. Seems like they are taking something that everyone could do and trying to make profit on people's laziness. Why convert your existing DVD when you can just buy a Blu-Ray and get it transferred automatically?


RE: On the other hand
By aos007 on 1/8/2008 6:31:56 PM , Rating: 2
There is no space on DVD to store the portable version of the movie but there is on BluRay.


RE: On the other hand
By Alexstarfire on 1/8/2008 8:58:05 PM , Rating: 3
For some DVDs maybe, but many of them have 1GB of space or more. Even so, it's not like an extra DVD couldn't be put into a case.

I already know it's just a PR move. Looks great, but is pretty pointless.


RE: On the other hand
By TSS on 1/9/2008 10:48:57 AM , Rating: 2
people who own a PS3 and a PSP might decide to buy more blu-ray movies with this feature, since there would be less hassle involved (although, this is sony) than in downloading and getting them on your PSP. it also might tempt PS3 owners who already buy movies, to buy a PSP for on the road. finally, it might trick PSP owners to purchase a PS3 instead of a XBOX, and get a portable movie player "for free".

atleast those are the arguments i'd think they'd use. not much better then pointless, but still. besides fans who already bought a ps3 and a psp, now get free portable movies with their blu-ray movies. it's nice to see that after you've given 3 (relative) large sums of money to them, they throw in something for free :P


RE: On the other hand
By spluurfg on 1/10/2008 10:32:26 AM , Rating: 2
Actually for many or even most movies, there's plenty of space. Dual layer DVD's can store over 8GB. Often enough the inclusion of a second 'special features' disk is unecessary (as the features could fit on the first disc), but simply a ploy to give the appearance of greater value in the package.

Though of course, there isn't the tremendously ample space provided by high definition formats and for longer movies there may not be space.


RE: On the other hand
By Wagnbat on 1/8/2008 11:08:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yea, those are some pretty big flaws, but I don't understand why you couldn't just go convert a regular DVD to this format as well. Why does it HAVE to be Blu-Ray only?


Because that is the only format Sony is supporting for next gen content. So anything they can do to get you to support it puts money in their pocket. If they made it so that you could do it with your exsisting DVD collection with a simple push of a button it would make them no money. That's business.

And don't get me wrong, you can already do this. It just takes more work and effort with a PC capable of transcoding the DVD MPEG2 into a smaller resolution video mp4.


RE: On the other hand
By VisionxOrb on 1/9/2008 11:26:51 PM , Rating: 2
HD-DVD can only play on a regular dvd player if it's a combo disk which ends up using one of the layers leaving only 1 15gig layer for the HD movie. ( this is of course only true for a single sided disk )

How ever, What they do need is a free legal utility ( from sony or who ever ) that would convert the main movie on a BD title into SD DVD format. That way every disk you buy going forward would be on Blu-ray as you could still use that content on the "kids" player in there room or the car etc and don't have to replace every dvd player in the house right away. Brilliant! mass adoption of BRD in 5.4.3.2....


RE: On the other hand
By djc208 on 1/8/2008 5:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
Like the concept, and it would be a nice bonus to BD, but if it's a PSP specific format than it will lock you into a PSP, no video iPods or portable media players, or laptops (that don't have BD drives).

You'd be locked into a Sony centered world full of memory sticks and minidisks. Which was why many were aprehensive over BD as a Sony backed format.


RE: On the other hand
By Mach Omega on 1/8/2008 5:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not a fan of Memory Sticks but I won't knock Sony for using its own formats. As someone already pointed out, it'll be pretty elementary to get BD movies in other formats for other devices. Technology is just too sophisticated now. This is more for the casual user, it'll do nothing to slow down the "motivated" user.


RE: On the other hand
By Brockway on 1/9/2008 7:36:25 AM , Rating: 2
This will probably work similarly to the way psp's hook up to the ps3 for remote play. You just have to register it to the ps3 and you can copy ps1 games and files over to it.


RE: On the other hand
By FITCamaro on 1/9/2008 9:02:28 AM , Rating: 2
You're not copying PS1 games from the PS3 to the PSP. It's streaming the game via wifi.


RE: On the other hand
By Brockway on 1/10/2008 3:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
No, I'm talking about the downloadable PS1 games you buy off the store. You register your PSP, and you copy the game over to the PSP using USB. I play Castlevania on my PSP this way. I also play FF7 and Xenogears on it using a slightly different method.


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