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NVIDIA's D9M makes its first appearance on corporate roadmaps

NVIDIA's newest mid-range processor, codenamed D9M, will make its official debut as the GeForce 9600 GT.

Corporate guidance from NVIDIA lists the initial GeForce 9600 GT shipments come stock with a 650 MHz core clock and a 1625 MHz unified shader clock.  Unlike the G84 core found on GeForce 8600 GT, D9M will feature a 256-bit memory bus interface.  Coupled with a 900 MHz memory clock, NVIDIA calculates the memory bandwidth at 57.6 GB/s. 

The texture fill rate is estimated at 20.8 billion pixels per second.  The company would not indicate how many shaders or stream processors reside on the D9M core. 

Late last year, NVIDIA confirmed the D9 family will use TSMC's 65nm process node.  The company introduced its first 65nm processor shrink in November 2007: the G92

Other details of the D9M family have already surfaced.  ChileHardware published slides yesterday claiming the GeForce 9600 requires a 400W power supply that requires 26A on the 12V rail.  Unlike previous mid-range GeForce cards, the D9M will require a 6-pin supplementary power connector.

NVIDIA publicly confirmed other details of D9M: DirectX 10.1 support, Shader Model 4.0, OpenGL 2.1 and PCIe 2.0 support just to name a few. 

Further documentation from NVIDIA claims the 9600 GT will also support the Quantum Effects physics processing engine. 

Like all NVIDIA processors, the GeForce 9600 is also HDCP compatible, though final support still depends on vendor implementation. 

NVIDIA declined to comment on expected price of GeForce 9600.   A representative for NVIDIA would comment that the performance increase between GeForce 9600 and GeForce 8600 is "almost double."

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RE: finally
By ChronoReverse on 1/3/2008 12:49:43 PM , Rating: 5
Did you completely miss the 3850 mid-range card that has a 256bit memory interface?

RE: finally
By mholler on 1/3/2008 12:54:55 PM , Rating: 5
Took the words right out of my keyboard.

RE: finally
By Noya on 1/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: finally
By Duwelon on 1/3/2008 1:20:41 PM , Rating: 2
You're an AMDist.

RE: finally
By gtrinku on 1/3/2008 4:55:08 PM , Rating: 5
Wouldn't that be an antiAMDite?

RE: finally
By Visual on 1/4/2008 4:52:03 AM , Rating: 2

RE: finally
By ChronoReverse on 1/3/2008 2:01:04 PM , Rating: 4
Well, I purely look at the merits of each card and the 3850 just so happens to be a worthy card even if most of its brethen aren't. Drivers in single card mode work fine too.

Frankly, AMD drivers have been since the launch of Vista with speed almost par to XP. Nvidia has really screwed Vista over by giving the impression that Vista is significantly slower in games compared to XP. At least nowadays both sides have drivers that are par with XP but the damage has already been done.

RE: finally
By beepandbop on 1/4/2008 11:59:25 AM , Rating: 2
That's really ignorant. AMD is lagging in the processor area, but for once, AMD/ATi put out midrange/high performing cards that compete on the midrange level--which is where most of the market is. So you could have labeled yourself a complete moron, and save us the time for reading that worthless comment.

RE: finally
By Kamgusta on 1/3/2008 4:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
I found quite funny to call "mid-range" the 3850.

It shares the same architecture of 3870 (that I think should be called "very-high-end"), but only has lower clocks.

Also, how should we call 29x0s? "mid-low-range"? 26x0s? "low-range"? And 24x0s? "very-low-range"?

3850 and 3870 are high-end parts. If DAAMIT engaged a price war with NVIDIA and wants to sell them at discount prices, this doesn't change the situation.

Otherwise, I should also call an ATI X1950XT "very-low-end" 'cause I can pick one for 119 bucks @ newegg...

Performance - ATI Radeon™ HD 2900
Mainstream - ATI Radeon™ HD 2600
Value - ATI Radeon™ HD 2400

RE: finally
By Lightning III on 1/3/2008 4:24:26 PM , Rating: 1
if it starts with a 2 it called a previous generation stu boy

RE: finally
By Kamgusta on 1/3/2008 5:06:54 PM , Rating: 3
Didn't you noticed HD3400s/HD3600s are still to be launched? And "previous generation" HD2900 PRO was launched just on October 2007 (2 months ago)?

RE: finally
By Shining Arcanine on 1/5/2008 11:36:06 AM , Rating: 2
That is 3 months ago.

RE: finally
By ImSpartacus on 1/3/2008 4:42:51 PM , Rating: 5
The 3870 and 3850 are not high end at all. look at the price. they are competing on the 8800gt's low end. they basically replaced most of the 2x00 series.

comparing the 2900xt to the 3870 is like comparing the 8800gt to the 8800gtx. you get a hair more performance for a huge price jump.

and the 3850 pretty much covers the rest of amd's mid range.

Don't get me wrong, im no amd fanboy, I would get an 8800gt if they were cheaper (and in stock), but deals like a 512mb 3850 selling cheaper than the 256mb 8800gt (200$<215$) cant be passed up.

RE: finally
By Belard on 1/4/2008 12:07:09 AM , Rating: 2
Well... they are HIGH end, just as the $300 8800GT ended up being a HIGH-END part since its comparable to the 8800GTX.. and there isn't anything that is much faster... other than the $700 Ultra which isn't worth it.

Looking at another major site with a graph, the HD3870 slides in right under the 8800GT. So the TOP 5 cards are:
1 - 8800Ultra ($700~800 - avg $700)
2 - 8800GTX ($470~600 - avg $500)
3 - 8800GTS-512 ($330~$380) [not same as original gts 640/320)
4 - 8800GT ($265~320 - avg $300)
5 - HD 3870 ($240~280 - avg $250)

The performance delta of the 3870~8800Ultra is not that much.

The 9600 doesn't sound so hot... they put it at DOUBLE the 8600? Hmm... the 8800GT/3870 are already more than twice as fast as the 8600GTS!!. Now if the 9600 sells for under $125 then it maybe worthwhile. note: the $180 3850 is almost twice as fast as the 8600GTS..

Oh well... who knows...

RE: finally
By suryad on 1/4/08, Rating: 0
RE: finally
By ImSpartacus on 1/6/2008 9:16:10 AM , Rating: 2
Any purchase can be rationalized as "worth it" if you have the funding and the "need", but for the majority of us who have neither, it is a bad decision.

RE: finally
By ImSpartacus on 1/6/2008 9:43:33 AM , Rating: 2
Now that may be a single card set up, however AMD's current strategy is to eliminate the ultra high end (gtx/ultra, etc).

AMD's high end is cross-fire 3870's. Why do you think the 38*0's are so damn good at scaling multiple graphics cards AND they have extremely low power requirements?

It just makes sense that AMD will begin to endorse lots of multiple card setups (quad x-fire?).

I personally think it's a novel idea, but right now I will stick with a single card setup (that's why I was eying an 8800gt).

I would setup a more relevant list due to the manufacturer's wishes.

1. SLI 8800 Ultra
2. SLI 8800 GTX
3. SLI 8800 GTS (512mb) / 8800 Ultra
4. SLI 8800 GT / CF 3870
5. 8800 GTX
6. 8800 GTS (512 mb) / CF 3850
7. 8800 GT
8. 3870
9. 3850

That doesn't count quad CF or 3-way SLI. That is mostly made of my conjunctures, your previous list, and my previous reading on the net (COUGH*ANANDTECH*). I'm likely wrong somewhere, but it gives you can idea.

Good reading: 38*0 8800 GT

RE: finally
By Alpha4 on 1/3/2008 9:07:02 PM , Rating: 1

RE: finally
By otispunkmeyer on 1/4/2008 6:07:10 AM , Rating: 2
yeah but those, i dunno they dont seem too mainstream to me, theyre still fairly high end

plus the 3850 is gonna have an 8800GS to contend with now, 192bit mem. 96 shaders .....

i think what he meant was, in that class of cards where the 8600 and 2600 sit...there is no 256bit card. and when the top products are using 384bit and 512bit you would of thought that there really should of been a bit more progress in that part. and finally there is.

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