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Chinese mainlanders will have to turn to piracy to watch the latest American blockbusters

China is blocking the import of American films, said MPAA CEO and Chairman Dan Glickman in an official statement released last week.

“Although we have not received official confirmation of such a ban from the Chinese Government or China Film, the indicators are strong that our information is correct,” read the statement. “If such action has been taken … it would represent an enormous step backwards in terms of China’s efforts to develop a strong … and legitimate film exhibition and distribution market.”

In a move that some suspect is retaliation for a recent U.S.-filed WTO complaint over China’s alarmingly high piracy rate, the Chinese government appears to have stopped granting import requests to American filmmakers -- of which it normally allows for about 20 movies per year. According to one anonymous Hollywood executive speaking to The New York Times, the Chinese government became suddenly uncooperative; filmmakers’ movie import requests for early next year have thus far been ignored, delayed, or come back denied.

“We are working with top officials in the US government, including the Treasury Secretary, as well as the Trade Representative and Secretary of Commerce, both of whom are in China at the moment,” said Glickman. “If these reports are true, it is unacceptable that China has taken this action and we will bring all our resources and leverage to bear to address this situation.”

A spokeswoman from the Chinese State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television, declined to comment on the so-called ban, noting that if such a ban was in place it would have been officially announced on the Administration’s web site.

American filmmakers, many of whom are betting heavily on the growing the Chinese market, say China’s restrictive stance on American movies is a direct contributor to the country’s high piracy rate. The previous 20-movie limit is “a very low number to begin with,” said U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab, “and we believe the low number contributes to the problems [we] have in intellectual property rights protection.”

A Chinese ban on American movies “would be very serious indeed,” said Schwab, who at the time was at a Strategic Economic Dialogue meeting outside Beijing. “We have spoken forcefully to our Chinese hosts.”



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China
By Chadder007 on 12/19/2007 4:20:06 PM , Rating: 4
We need to block more of China's crap here in the U.S.




RE: China
By five40 on 12/19/2007 4:23:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah like all their script kiddies who uselessly attack our websites over and over


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
He meant actual goods. Not the internet.


RE: China
By Souka on 12/19/07, Rating: 0
RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 6:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
And that has what to do with America blocking Chinese products as the original post calls for and I was talking about?


RE: China
By erikejw on 12/20/2007 1:13:53 AM , Rating: 2
Sue the bastards, we are the mighty MPAA.
Oh wait we can't do that since it is not a 13 years old pimple faced kid we can threat with M$ and a destroyed future.


RE: China
By XtAzY on 12/19/2007 6:24:27 PM , Rating: 2
Do you even know what communism is?


RE: China
By audiomaniaca on 12/19/2007 9:01:57 PM , Rating: 1
Some of its characteristics are spying your own citzens, lying, hiding facts, monitoring civilian communication, manipulating media, making propaganda in the form of nice, well-done movies, brain-washing your own people, and so on...

By the way, with very few exceptions, today's hollywood movies are as crappy as those bad chinese products sold for a few dollars. They're making their people a big favor in blocking some crap. As far as they don't ban Woody Allen, George Lucas or David Lynch, I won't miss anything.


RE: China
By kilj on 12/19/2007 9:26:41 PM , Rating: 5
Hey, that's kinda like what the US is doing to its citizens right now...


RE: China
By shabby on 12/19/2007 10:45:20 PM , Rating: 1
LOL!


RE: China
By Gul Westfale on 12/19/2007 10:45:46 PM , Rating: 4
beat me to it, kilj... i'd give you a 6 if i could :)


RE: China
By Ryanman on 12/20/2007 4:04:04 AM , Rating: 4
siiiiiiiiiiiiiix


RE: China
By mrteddyears on 12/20/2007 4:34:25 AM , Rating: 2
I find this very interesting to read as the treasury and trade big wigs are over in China and all of a sudden this ban comes out. Sounds to me like China are squeezing the USA’s peas a little to ensure that Chinese production output is not targeted.

I work for a Chinese company and they really don’t like being told what to do and how to do it especially by the USA.

So don’t read to much into it its just political nonsense that will not effect us in anyway.


RE: China
By spepper on 12/20/2007 8:58:42 AM , Rating: 3
good insight, mrteddyears-- I'm sure that China is as unenthusiastic about being beaten over the head with the rolled-up paper version of the WTO treaty as a lot of folks are right here in the USA-- so it's not surprising they would use that manuver of just shutting down the U.S. imports of certain products-- which in that case, American made movie DVD's, would certainly provoke more piracy in the Asian region-- China is like a consumer, the BIGGEST in the world, that's held hostage by its own government, like a family in a bad neighborhood that's being forced by a gang to pay "protection"-- the "gang" simply tells them what they can and cannot buy or sell, for their "own good" of course--


RE: China
By joust on 12/22/2007 11:21:21 PM , Rating: 2
What the Chinese don't realize is we can play their game too. I wonder how they'd behave if we required their goods be held at port for a couple months due to "safety" inspections?

We also could rattle the saber loud enough to make foreign direct investors in China very, very scared. Scared enough to yank their money out ASAP. Two words: "naval blockade".


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2007 9:19:55 AM , Rating: 2
And every other government out there regardless of the type so what exactly is your point?


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2007 9:24:20 AM , Rating: 3
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Some of its characteristics are spying your own citzens, lying, hiding facts, monitoring civilian communication, manipulating media, making propaganda in the form of nice, well-done movies, brain-washing your own people, and so on...


That has nothing to do with communism. Those things can happen regardless of the form of government.

If you look at something like Star Trek, thats communism in its pure form. Everyone gets what they need. No one desires more.


RE: China
By JustTom on 12/20/2007 11:04:02 AM , Rating: 1
I can not comment on anything other than the original Star Trek, but at least in the original show the economy was not communist. There were several shows with greed, poverty, and cash trading.


RE: China
By CrimsonFrost on 12/20/2007 2:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
Meh, I think only the Borg were Communism in it's truest form. A lot of people here seem to really not know squat about what communism actually is.


RE: China
By clnee55 on 12/25/2007 3:23:51 AM , Rating: 2
I know. I lived with them for 10 years. People often say that in communist country, there is no freedom of speech. They are very wrong. I can swear that they have freedom before speech.

quote:
Do you even know what communism is?


RE: China
By Kyanzes on 12/27/2007 2:40:41 PM , Rating: 2
It's a political response so it's basically irrelevant that it concerns movies. It could have been milk, wheat or something else.


RE: China
By RW on 12/20/07, Rating: -1
RE: China
By JasonMick (blog) on 12/19/2007 4:24:59 PM , Rating: 3
But they make such safe and well regulated leukemia drugs. *Checks the news*

Oh wait nvm....

(But besides, realistically if we start blocking there crap, who will take our trash? I mean you think we want to keep all this tech trash ourselves??? Really now.)


RE: China
By Mitch101 on 12/19/2007 4:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
If you think Drywall and road paint can cure lukemia. Scary thought that a lot of pills made it into top chain pharmacies.


RE: China
By GeorgeOrwell on 12/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: China
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 12/19/2007 6:11:50 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
As vitamin C is in many food products, almost all 'energy' drinks, 'fruit' drinks, vitamin pills themselves, etc., China could wipe out 75% of the US population this way.

That sounds like a very bad James Bond movie.

quote:
Or that matter, they can easily kill many pets in American through spiking the ingredients they sell that are in virtually every brand of pet food. Oh wait, they already did the test run on that one. And it worked.

Didn't that only kill a few pets before someone found out?

quote:
How about the death of oak trees in the US and other countries -- traced to a Chinese fungus that US intelligence believes was distributed throughout the US by Chinese agents.

I'd love to see links on that

quote:
Or Chinese fish introduced into US water systems that have decimated US fish populations. Same as above.

Yes, but they got there as ballast from U.S. tankers

I'm all for putting blame where blame is due. But I think some of your points are a pretty big stretch.
quote:
As vitamin C is in many food products, almost all 'energy' drinks, 'fruit' drinks, vitamin pills themselves, etc., China could wipe out 75% of the US population this way.


RE: China
By tophat on 12/19/2007 6:14:44 PM , Rating: 2
xenophobe


RE: China
By GeorgeOrwell on 12/19/2007 6:35:20 PM , Rating: 5
Looking at the facts and being aware of risk is not being xenophobic.

Do you need to look at the FDA website and see the endless list of pet food recalled because it was poisonous due to Chinese ingredients?

Are you denying that this happened?

Or are you just trying to deny me the right to life? Oh yeah, I forgot. That basic rights, such as the right to life, *do not exist in China*.


RE: China
By tophat on 12/19/2007 6:56:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
China is a true menace. 1B+ strong, smart, and totally dedicated to the pursuit of money above all other things. In other words, 100% evil.


I take it that the above should be taken as fact? Sounds more like xenophobic opinion to me.


RE: China
By Darkskypoet on 12/20/2007 2:57:57 PM , Rating: 4
Come come now... Seriously... Malice doesn't enter into it, and doesn't even have to explain it.

It's called unrestricted free market capitalism at it finest.

Do you honestly think for one minute if U.S Corps could use cheap, unsafe ingredients in their products w/o being shut down or annihilated in court, that they wouldn't? BS!!

It's profit baby! Plain and simple, no malice intended, just profit.

Look at the lobbying, and continued denial of harm by cigarette manufacturers in the U.S, and abroad. Look at their behavior (amongst others) 30 years ago. CIGARETTES WERE GOOD FOR YOU!

Cigs are the tip of the iceberg, American corporate entities are no better then any other capitalist sociopathic entities whether they be in China, Laos, Korea, etc. The only difference, is that we've had our industrial revolution, and have been living in an era for the past while where by and large regulation and enforcement bodies hav ebeen up to the task of monitoring and inspecting our production / products.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE yet in China. They simply don't have the officials, programs, or bureaucracies in place yet to monitor the massive explosion of production facilities. This economy is massive, and getting larger every day. Consider the present running tally of those migrating from country side to urban workforces is larger then the total workforce in the United States.

Also realize that the numbers start to change when you realize unofficially the Chinese Population is probably well over 1.6 billion, not 1.2....

So you have a workforce about the size of the workforce in Western Europe, U.S, Australia, and Canada combined. And they aren't all in productive jobs yet. Corporate entities that until a short term ago didn't exist, and a very inexperienced regulating sector for the sudden appearance of massive private interests. (not to mention a somewhat corrupt regulating sector to boot.)

Nope, no malice needed, just capitalists seeking the lowest cost production, and no fully developed protection mechanisms to regulate such a massive market.

P.S: Greedy, lowest bidder consumers don't help either. Utility maximization w/o perfect knowledge sucks sometimes.


RE: China
By arazok on 12/19/2007 9:11:54 PM , Rating: 5
Can I buy some weed from you?


RE: China
By Samus on 12/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: China
By christojojo on 12/19/2007 6:19:09 PM , Rating: 5
I really makes me angry that people would get upset about a movie blockage but not rally Washington to stop the poisoning of children.

How about levying tariffs that "fine" companies that produce bad products. The money could be used for testing incoming goods. Companies that are "clean" for a period of time can come in tax free.

(Now wait for people to complain that prices will go up. It's sad to say but most people would rather save a buck than save the innocent.)


RE: China
By Alexstarfire on 12/19/2007 4:32:08 PM , Rating: 3
Perhaps, but not movies. I've watched a fair amount of Chinese movies and would hate to see them disappear. Lots of Jackie Chans stuff is from China. Most of the them are just dubbed. Anyways, it would suck because a lot of the good martial arts movies would be gone.

We do need to stop importing stuff from them. Especially food related items. They are very bad about that. I've heard so much nasty stuff that I'm afraid to eat anything from China.


RE: China
By bryanW1995 on 12/19/2007 5:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
except kum-POW chicken...man, that stuff is the best...


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/19/2007 5:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
That ain't chicken buddy...


RE: China
By DerwenArtos12 on 12/20/2007 8:29:44 AM , Rating: 3
kum-pow kitty! yum yum!


RE: China
By afkrotch on 12/20/2007 8:48:26 AM , Rating: 2
Lots (if not all) of Jackie Chan films come from Hong Kong. Hong Kong is now part of China, but operates outside of Chinese laws, until at least 2047.

Hong Kong has it's own legal system, police force, monetary system, customs policy, and immigration system. Mainland China does defend Hong Kong and is in charge of Hong Kong's foreign affairs. So even if China bans movies, Hong Kong will go about it's business. China can completey stop all imporation/exportation of goods, but Hong Kong won't.


RE: China
By Crank the Planet on 12/20/2007 7:03:22 PM , Rating: 3
I am going to invent a term- "Communapitalist" which is "Capitalism under Communist control." That's what China is becomming. They saw communism fail in Russia and that's why they are so stridently adopting western capitalist philosophy- only governed by strict communistic ideals. Now that they are making money- quite literally if you get my meaning :) - they will do whatever they wish. No one will tell them what to do. They will not stop stealing- anything they can. They have become a desperate country bent on doing anything they have to, to get their way (money and power.) China is becoming a world power- nay already is- because of their cheap labor force. They are becomming economically superior to every other country.
If you come out with a product, they will reverse engineer it, come out with a similar product and, using cheap components/parts and a cheap labor force they will outsell you and take your markets from you.
Nobody listened when we gave China Most Favored Nation status. Economically speaking, history will show the United States as a country, made the most dangerous mistake that an enemy country can make.
We already made that mistake before we entered World War II by selling all our scrap steel to Japan.
Not our enemy you say? Just because we are not at a physical war war with China does not mean we are not at war. We are at an Economic War right now. Last I checked they are not our ally . Last I also checked they are still bent on World Domination - and that any way they can. And last I checked they still have their nuclear missiles pointed at U.S. targets . No they didn't point them somewhere else just because Bill Clinton went over there to appease U.S. fears. They are still pointed at us.
Let's see:
1. They have stolen Top Secret Nuclear technology from several places including Lawrence Livermore Labs and Sandia National Laboratories- nothing was done to them.
2. They bought our politicians so that Top Secret technology from the Loral Space and Communications Co. could be purchased. This allows pinpoint accuracy of their missiles- nothing has been done to them.
3. Our Top Secret technology for Undetectable Silent Submarines was also sold to them. Hey they did it the American way- paid cash to purchase the whole company. The company they bought? Magnequench Inc. They can now park next to our ships undetected- nothing has been done to them.
They are stealing our top secret stuff right in front of our noses and we don't do anything about it. Are we not at war? You tell me.

Economic numbers in the above articles are wrong. If you look around you as others have mentioned, everything you see is made in China. The bulk of goods imported from China range from vitamins and pet products to electronics to household goods and appliances to clothes and furniture. The amount of goods you see around you is about 70% chinese made. Therefore to show only 13.4% on the books is grossly negligent. In actuality more than 50% of goods imported into this country today come from China. Wal-mart sells chinese products almost exclusively.
What to do to avert a real, physical war? We need to carefully shift the bulk of imported goods to come from other countries like India. As General Patton said, "We shouldn't have stopped at Germany. We should have pushed those Red B@st@rds back all the way through China."


RE: China
By TechLuster on 12/19/2007 4:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
I completely agree. China is waging an all out economic war on the United States. I think this is just part of their plan to further increase the trade deficit in their favor.


RE: China
By Flunk on 12/19/2007 6:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's too bad the economy would collapse if they did, everything is made in China.


RE: China
By amanojaku on 12/19/2007 6:45:53 PM , Rating: 4
Good luck with that. Americans, and the rest of the world, want goods that are inexpensive. Blocking Chinese items would probably cause other countries to raise prices in response to the higher demand. Most people aren't going to care that the Chinese can't see classic films like "The Fantastic Four" and "Titanic" (hold on, I have to stop laughing... ow, my sides!!!) but people will complain when things go up 10 bucks.


RE: China
By jonrem on 12/19/2007 8:05:30 PM , Rating: 3
Then it's time U.S. Corporations started looking for ways to manufacture outside of China in places like India with immense pools of labor. Oh wait, the whole democracy thing kinda gets in the way there.


RE: China
By bangmal on 12/20/2007 5:48:27 AM , Rating: 1
Can the US sustain that long? Little rise in the interest left millions unable to pay the mortgage.

The day that the enemy could not touch your mainland is gone, and the day waiting for the enemy to crumble and dissolve by himself is now just a fantasy.

American has almost used up its luck. It is a different world now.


RE: China
By mdogs444 on 12/20/2007 6:51:42 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Can the US sustain that long? Little rise in the interest left millions unable to pay the mortgage.

I hope you realize thats not true at all.

In fact the bottom line reason that many people cannot pay their mortgage is Greed & Stupidity. With the last 10 years of homes going up in value at such a fast pace, lenders started giving out home loans to people with poor credit who should not be getting home loans. The thought was that if you give them "zero down" and "no interest" loans, that even if they defaulted on the homes 3 years down the road, the house would have appreciated to the point that they would still profit on it, as well as getting a few years of interest paid to them as more profit.

Lenders made stupid loans to people, and people were greedy buying larger & more expensive homes than they could afford with the thought that they could turn around and sell it for profit before the interest rate changes, and they have to start paying off the principal.

What pisses me off is that the Govt is stepping in and helping out these people and lenders, with our tax money, for being greedy and making stupid investment moves.

So while the honest and smart people out there still pay rent and save up to buy a home with a smart loan that they can afford, others bought homes out of their range and the person saving up has to help bail out the greedy ones.

What happened to free market? You make choices - sometimes you win sometimes you lose. These people lost and should be forced to deal with their consequences, as well as the business.


RE: China
By FITCamaro on 12/20/2007 10:51:35 AM , Rating: 3
Extremely well said. The housing situation is entirely the lenders fault. They made up new types of loans as they went to do whatever they could to get people to buy homes.

I'm actually kind of glad this happened because its deflated the cost of homes back to a somewhat reasonable level.

And yes I'm also pissed my tax dollars are going to bail out these companies and people affected by it. All doing that teaches people is "Hey, if I screw up, the government will fix it for me". That in turn breeds reliance on the government. Just like social welfare programs that, while people used to feel ashamed to be on them, now people act like it is their god given right to get handouts from the government.


RE: China
By Tacoloft on 12/20/2007 5:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Good comments-
I want to put in my 2 cents on this. I understand that our tax dollars are not going towards this. What the lenders have agreed to do is keep rates the same for the next 5 years instead of hiking them up like they were planning to. This will allow those who cannot afford to get out from under the debt and still allows the lenders to make money that they would otherwise loose if the rate hike occurred.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I whole heartedly agree that people need to get off their rumps and work. IMO the government should only focus and do 3 things. 1. Build roads, 2. Protect it's citizens (not from financial loss--but physically from harm) 3. Stay out of my life (taxes, Political Correctness, public institutions--all have to go... then freedom will truly ring.)


RE: China
By Spuke on 12/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: China
By Tacoloft on 12/21/2007 5:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
Spuke,
Please define "less fortunate". the problem is that the federal government thinks that the definition applies to anyone and everyone.


RE: China
By eye smite on 12/19/2007 7:06:56 PM , Rating: 2
You all are playing with dynamite. China will do what they want when they want to who they want without anyone's consent. That's a historical fact repeated time and time again all the way up to the most public one in recent history, " Tianemen Square" where they killed hundreds of people after they blacked out the news media. We're lucky they trade with us at all.


RE: China
By TSS on 12/19/2007 7:18:01 PM , Rating: 3
*cough*

http://usinfo.state.gov/eap/Archive/2005/Mar/03-51...

"In terms of U.S. goods imports in 2004, China was second, at $196.7 billion, accounting for 13.4 percent of all U.S. imports. In terms of U.S. goods exports, China was fifth, at $34.7 billion, behind only Canada, Mexico, Japan and the United Kingdom and ahead of Germany."

it's pretty impossible to "block china's crap" since it's just about all the crap ya got around now.


RE: China
By damncrackmonkey on 12/20/2007 12:47:16 AM , Rating: 2
I never realized 13.4% was 'just about all'


RE: China
By Spuke on 12/20/2007 5:53:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's pretty impossible to "block china's crap" since it's just about all the crap ya got around now.
Math fails you. 100% - 13.4% = 86.6%. I would think 86.6% would be closer to "all" than 13.4%.


RE: China
By Surak on 12/21/2007 12:19:03 AM , Rating: 3
The USA has all kinds of crazy trade restrictions that unfairly block products from other countries. Why should the USA complain when China does the same? This is nothing more than the overly-powerful movie industry whining for their politician lapdogs to bark.

Look at how the USA screwed Canada for years over softwood lumber, salmon, beef, etc. Just last week the USA was found to be ignoring their obligations to cut subsidies on domestic cotton producers.

Look at the unfair import tariffs the USA has on many products that are supposed to help domestic production, but just make USA citizens pay more than they should ... take sugar for example, sugar costs way more in the USA than it does in Canada, and Canada's production is small compared to the USA!

Are you even aware of the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars the USA spends unfairly subsidizing crops to give domestic producers an advantage, effectively dumping product onto your market? American farmers don't grow food, they harvest taxpayer dollars!

Clean up your own house before you complain about someone else's


RE: China
By zhanwp on 12/21/2007 8:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly!!!!

I see many people still use colored eyes to see China and Chinese government.


RE: China
By mdogs444 on 12/21/2007 9:00:05 AM , Rating: 2
Geez, where do I even start. Your comments go to prove that you know absolutely nothing about the economy & job growth/maintaining.

quote:
The USA has all kinds of crazy trade restrictions that unfairly block products from other countries

They are not "unfair" restrictions, they are restrictions for a reason. Some are due to government sanctions against other governments.

quote:
Look at the unfair import tariffs the USA has on many products that are supposed to help domestic production, but just make USA citizens pay more than they should

Guess what man, I highly suggest you open your eyes and quit drinking the anti-american kool aid. Tarrifs are there for a reason to keep US production of goods up, exports up, pricing competitive, and maintain & promote job growth for the US industry. This is actually a good thing. If everything in the US started getting produced overseas and eliminated tariffs - sure, things would be cheaper, but you wouldnt be able to afford any of them anyway because our unemployment rate would be so high, taxes would increase dramatically for more social policies, other countries would control the price fixing, and the economy would be in shambles.

You need to really understand the history of some of this. Several decades back, the US used to give foreign aid to other countries with the stipulation that the money we give them could only be used to purchase US manufactured products. This was great because it promoted job growth, manufacturing, and boosted our economy. When that deal was nixed (Carter, I think, but not sure), the money that we give them now can go to whatever they want. They can use our cash to pay off their own national debt. How stupid is that?

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take sugar for example, sugar costs way more in the USA than it does in Canada, and Canada's production is small compared to the USA!

Hello, McFly are you home? If sugar costs next to nothing, there would be less sugar farmers in the US due to the people not being able to profit enough to make a living and it would decrease the employment in that sector. Things produced in the US cost more because of the labor, health insurance, pensions/401k's, and environmental regulations!

quote:
Are you even aware of the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars the USA spends unfairly subsidizing crops to give domestic producers an advantage

Its not unfair to use United States taxpayer money to promote United States economic growth. Thats one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.

quote:
Clean up your own house before you complain about someone else's

Perhaps your house needs cleaned up a bit. You need to dust off those old text books to learn a few things, and stop sitting on your Lazy Boy recliner soaking in the anti-american liberal fud of the drive by media.


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