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Some employees have already quit after hearing one too many "Steve wouldn't like that" from iOS SVP

In the gaping leadership hole left by the death of Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) co-founder and driving force Steven P. Jobs, there's significant questions about who will step up and be the most "Jobsian".  

I. The Disciple Has Borrowed Much From His Former Master

While Apple appointed Tim Cook to succede Mr. Jobs at the CEO spot, the quiet mild-mannered businessman seems an odd cog to replace flashy, obsessive, dictatorial, performance-driven former chief.  But Apple's long-time marketing chief Phil Schiller and the head of internet services Eddy Cue don't feel like a much better fit.

Some are arguing that the iOS chief -- Scott Forstall -- is the most "Jobsian" and thus may be destined to one day lead the company.  At the iPhone 4S unveil, Mr. Forstall, an Apple Senior Vice President, dropped into hyperbole and flashy presentations of the iPhone features that reminded many -- according to Bloomberg Business Week -- of Mr. jobs.

Scott Forstall
Scott Forstall, iOS SVP [Source: Fast Company]

The similarities are no coincidence.  Reportedly Mr. Forstall -- 42 and the youngest Apple SVP -- was taken under the wing of Mr. Jobs, who served as his mentor.  Andy Miller former head of Apple's iAd group describes Mr. Forstall's close relationship commenting, "He was as close to Steve as anybody at the company.  When he says stuff, people listen."

At conferences he mirrors Mr. Jobs' fashion choices, wearing black shoes, jeans, and a black zippered sweater.  On the go he drives a Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG, in silver -- the same car Mr. Jobs did.

II. A Ruthless, Yet Admired Leader

Like Mr. Jobs, Mr. Forstall has installed his name on numerous Apple patents -- 50 to be precise -- many of which Apple's competitors complain lift technology published in peer-reviewed literature ten years or more before the application.  But in adapting to the lust for litigation Steve Jobs acquired [1][2][3][4][5][6][7] in his later years, he's poised to continue Apple's strategy of using lawsuits as a tool against the mobile market's top players.

And he's also continuing some of Mr. Jobs other controversial habits, such as ruthlessly driving employees to perform and obsessing over every detail.  In fact his favorite refrain is reportedly "Steve wouldn't like that" -- a phrase of used by Mr. Forstall to evoke shame in his underlings.  And like his mentor Mr. Forstall is reportedly inspiring a high burnout rate, driving away Apple engineers to competitors.
Steve Jobs RIP
iOS Chief Scot Forstall evokes Steve Jobs name to shame his employees into submission.  He evokes strong reactions -- much like Mr. Jobs -- at Apple.  Some love him.  Others hate him. [Source: Apple]

Former Apple software engineer Mike Lee remarks, "I once referred to Scott as Apple’s chief a–hole.  And I didn’t mean it as a criticism. I meant it as a compliment. You could say the same thing about Steve Jobs."

But in performance it's hard to argue with Mr. Forstall.  He's engineered the world's second most used smartphone platform and the tablet used by more people around the world than another manufacturer or OS maker.  And he's reportedly inspired his i-device staff to virtually live at Apple, skipping social events, and becoming fanatically devoted to the unit's products.

That latter accomplishment reminds many of Steve Jobs in the 1980s who led the Mac group which had an "us-versus-the-rest-of-Apple mentality".  Wil Shipley, an independent software developer who works on site at Apple recalls, "Every iPhone engineer and iOS engineer I know at Apple has some of that.  They will tease me that iOS is crushing Mac in sales."

In high school Mr. Forstall played the lead in his school's rendition of the Stephen Sondheim musical Sweeney Todd, reciting the harsh line, "There are two kinds of men, and only two.  There's the one staying put in his proper place and one with his foot in the other one's face."

Now he lives by that line.

III. From Stanford to the King of iOS

Graduating from Stanford University, Mr. Forstall quickly assumed a leadership role, designing the "Aqua" Mac interface, which Steve Jobs once remarked made "you [want] to lick it".  And he led the design of Leopard, another big computer success story for Apple.

In 2005 Mr. Jobs put his top staffers to the task of designing a mobile operating system for a phone.  The iPod team was in charge of one design.  They picked a customizable, Linux-based OS.  Forstall's Mac team was in charge of the other design.  He designed a closed-source Unix-like OS with cold exacting design and little customization.

Scott Forstall and Steve Jobs
Scott Forstall (left) may be Mr. Jobs' (center) most dedicated disciple.  Indeed he shares the late leader's penchant for theatrics, unrelenting performance demands, and a belief in closed systems. [Source: David Paul Morris/Getty Images]

Mr. Jobs reportedly expected the Linux team to triumph, but to his surprise it was Forstall who delivered the device with the best battery life and interface.  So instead of making Android, before Android, Apple made iOS.

But Mr. Forstall, like Mr. Jobs did show selective flexibility when necessary.  After disallowing third party applications on the first iPhone, he embraced them in the second generation.  The result was the App Store -- an application market that smart phone leader Google Inc. (GOOG) has still been unable to surpass in pure app volume, despite holding nearly twice Apple's market share.

Looking ahead, everyone's question is where Apple will go without Mr. Jobs.  With Tim Cook, Apple might end up looking more like a more demure, yet successful tech leader like Microsoft or Dell.  With Forstall eventually taking command, though, Apple reportedly might look a lot like it would have had cancer not claimed the life of Mr. Jobs -- ruthless, stylish, flashy, polished, and ever hungry.

Source: Bloomberg



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All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By wordsworm on 10/13/2011 8:46:56 PM , Rating: 5
Yet no mention of the passing of Dennis Ritchie. For shame DT.




RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By vol7ron on 10/13/2011 10:17:00 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah.. I know. The guy that everyone really should be torn about. He is basically one of the fathers to what we call a PC. Without C, there are a lot of things wouldn't have happened, especially in the time that it did.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By wordsworm on 10/13/2011 10:52:43 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah, like Windows and Mac OS and Linux... all built on his work.

I am not trying to detract from what Jobs did. I'm just amazed that DT is silent on it. What Jobs did was amazing. But without Ritchie, Jobs and Gates would have nothing at all.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By web2dot0 on 10/13/11, Rating: -1
RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By amanojaku on 10/13/2011 11:46:11 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Ritchie did was amazing, but let's face it, if he didn't invent it, someone else would of in about the same time. He's not the only one out there. Without jobs, there's no Mac,iPod, iPhone, iPad. All of which are major achievements. Steve jobs is not a one trick pony.
C and UNIX are essentially the foundations for all software in use today. Even when the code is completely different, syntax, function, structure... Damn near everything has been influenced by and built upon C and UNIX. Including Apple's MacOS and (at the time) OpenCL. There was nothing like C or UNIX, PERIOD.

The Mac? iPod? iPhone? iPad? Jobs neither invented nor innovated. Jobs didn't create the transistor, CPU, memory, PCB, interconnect, CRT, GUI, mouse, magnetic disk, CD, PDA, printer, scanner, touchscreen, multi-touch, OS, laptop, portable music player with an internal hard drive, cell phone, tablet PC, desktop... I'm tired of writing.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/14/2011 12:26:43 AM , Rating: 3
True, but he has shown over and over how things should be executed properly on a high UI and design level. Also important.

Either way, I found out about this late last night on boingboing.net. It is ridiculous that Ritchie hasn't been mentioned here a whole day later, but maybe it's not that surprising. They don't call it the The National DT for nothing. He is as important as it gets for modern technology for all the reasons mentioned, but nothing about him is that controversial or hit generating either.

RIP


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By Omega215D on 10/14/2011 9:49:01 AM , Rating: 1
I get some of my geek news from slashdot. Those guys know how to make tasteful jokes on various people in tech after their passing. I'm sure he would've liked it.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/10/13/0328230/De...

Of course the board is full of annoying Linux fanboys when anything MS comes up.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/14/2011 6:17:48 PM , Rating: 2
As opposed to the annoying Android fanboys here. Pick your poison I guess.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By Omega215D on 10/15/2011 1:20:38 AM , Rating: 2
I find that the Linux fanboys (nothing wrong with liking Linux, I use it as well) are arrogant and belittling towards Windows users. Die hard Mac users are the same way but spew half truths and nonsense that started with the Mac vs. PC commercial... maybe even before that (MacHeads segment).

Android fanboys are annoying but at least they aren't in as great a number as Apple fans and quite a few see the merits of all systems as well as negatives. Many of the other fanboys also disregard the total openness of configuration with Android OS when presenting their arguments and each skin/ UI is no way indicative of regular Android performance (not perfect but not a laggy useless POS either).


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/15/2011 2:09:53 AM , Rating: 1
I'm mainly a PC guy, but I find the PC and Android zealots to be by far the most annoying and vicious of them all. Maybe its because I spend most of my computer forum time in PC oriented ones, but I'm kind of blown away at how zealous some of these people are.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/15/2011 2:18:15 AM , Rating: 3
I love how you're constantly lamenting how terrible DT is and how everyone is a zealot, but frankly it sounds like a bunch of sour grapes. You simply fail to make good arguments and have a horrible poster rating, even worst than mine. This isn't some stronghold of Android zealotry, frankly I think we're all normal people tired of Apple's bullcrap. Their "Mac vs PC" campaign offended anyone with a modicum of intelligence, and their legal cowardice and Imperialist attitude has everyone weary. It also doesn't help that you remind everyone of Tony every time you post.

Even on this you just can't help yourself. Come on, you know Linux fanobis are the absolute worst. THE most annoying, most elitist bunch by far! There's no comparison.

p.s. oh and go ahead and prove me right by making another stupid attack by calling me hillbilly or whatever.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2011 5:59:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It also doesn't help that you remind everyone of Tony every time you post.


You're the only one who keeps making this point. Unlike Tony, I'm not a zealot. You're much more like him than I ever am, you're just on the flip side of that debate.

You'll be hard pressed to find a bigger cheerleader for WP7 here, and I've said even before it was announced that Amazon's tablet will be the first non-iPad tablet to get it right. All that and I'm mainly a Windows guy. Nope, the only platform I truly dislike is Android, and for whatever reason that gets you soooo angry. It's pretty funny.

quote:
Come on, you know Linux fanobis are the absolute worst. THE most annoying, most elitist bunch by far! There's no comparison.


I don't spend much time on Linux or Mac sites, mainly PC and gaming sites, so I can't say that they annoy me at all. The PC only zealots though, MAN do they get angry if you like Macs (even if you also like PCs!) or say that Apple has laid the groundwork for UI or tech advances in any way. The most closed minded and openly hostile people I see are definitely those ones.

And the only reason I "lament" DT is that it is on the Anandtech sidebar. It's like The Economist with a side column by The National Enquirer. It's just awful reporting and editorializing next to the best editorials and reviews out there. And I really don't care about my rating, getting upvotes here is like getting upvotes on TMZ. If I wanted upvotes I'd just post "Apple and Sony suck" and get them by the hivemind, derp.


By Reclaimer77 on 10/16/2011 11:57:04 AM , Rating: 2
I can't ever really recall you NOT extolling the virtues of Apple here. Not a zealot? That's all you post about! Well that's your opinion. You not liking Android doesn't get me "angry", using completely irrational reasoning to back up your prejudice does.

quote:
And the only reason I "lament" DT is that it is on the Anandtech sidebar. It's like The Economist with a side column by The National Enquirer. It's just awful reporting and editorializing next to the best editorials and reviews out there.


That's not the "only" reason you come here every day and make nearly as many posts as I do. Daily Tech has it's benefits, mainly the comment slugfest. Come on, you know it's fun!


By Cheesew1z69 on 10/15/2011 9:41:54 AM , Rating: 3
And the annoying Apple fanboys...


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By wordsworm on 10/14/2011 6:18:46 PM , Rating: 3
You've got a good point. Maybe I ought to remove DT from my feeds. It's really disgusting that DT has failed to mention his passing... still!


By TakinYourPoints on 10/15/2011 2:11:35 AM , Rating: 2
Problem here is that I can't remove it from the Anandtech sidebar. At least you have the option to remove it from your feeds!


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By bupkus on 10/14/2011 1:29:45 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
...but let's face it, if he didn't invent it, someone else would of in about the same time.
One can easily say the same for all the iStuff. Just because Jobs pulled Apple back from the abyss doesn't mean someone else couldn't. Jobs, however, was given the chance because of his history with Apple and being a star promoter.

Jobs was given the opportunity to express his sense of style. Many others who are in the design business would only be given a chance for a bit role in technology.
Example: by such fumblers as IBM when Bill Gates suggested to IBM to acquire CP/M.
Fate is quite fickle and Jobs was, like Bill Gates, in the right place at the right time. I'm not saying he didn't have talent but to call him the great innovator who changed the world? B***S***! He was no more brilliant than Elvis Presley.

quote:
But really, I wouldn't compare what Ritchie did to Jobs.
Neither would I although I suspect my meaning is different from yours.


By vol7ron on 10/17/2011 7:34:59 PM , Rating: 1
I was going to comment on that argument, "if he didn't someone else would have." I really think that's the most ignorant argument ever. If someone would have at the same time, someone would have. You'd know it because, they'd both be fighting for adoption like what's going with Git and Mercurial (both similar revision systems).

Thank you for replying, I was too heated by the troll and had to detract. The thing is, there are many other people that were and still are making sexy devices. I think Dell's Axim and Compaq's iPaq were both attractive looking PDAs, which kind of both came at the end of the PDAs popularity (pre smartphone).

As technology shrank, devices would become sexier. I mean people go gaga over the MacBook Air, just because of how thin it is, but fail to recognize Sony's Vaio series and how thin they were (with hotter, slower processors).

Jobs marketed extremely well and his condescending, "never good enough", smug attitude got him the "bitch boy" attention he needed, so good for him. The world lost its best (or most prominent) marketer (Jobs) and its arguably most influential person/programmer during this tech area (Ritchie). You could call Ritchie a one-hit-wonder, but in this low scoring game, he hit a grand slam.

We as consumers are what suffer from both deaths. We only gain when competition prevails, yielding attractive innovation.


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By vision33r on 10/14/2011 10:09:49 AM , Rating: 2
News at 11, father of C programming language has died we will bring you that later in the broadcast.

Meanwhile Apple CEO Steve Jobs has passed away and we will have a special full hour and look at just how important Steve Jobs is to the technology world.


By ProZach on 10/14/2011 8:17:54 PM , Rating: 1
...but first, a word from out sponsor: Snarky Sweaters with patented iNeck extension that allows Magic(TM) to flow freely between the melon and pocketbook area!


By messele on 10/14/2011 9:31:29 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. The day after another great genius leaves us the best DTurd and Mr. Mick can do is the usual tabloid hate crap.


By smilingcrow on 10/14/2011 12:54:07 PM , Rating: 2
The Commodores were cool but his solo stuff was a bit lightweight.
I guessed he named C after the band he was in?


RE: All this talk about Steve Jobs...
By atlmann10 on 10/19/2011 10:35:41 AM , Rating: 2
October 18, 2011
" During the last few weeks we have heard tributes for two famous technology innovators, Steve Jobs and Bob Galvin. Another engineer and developer died last week whose accomplishments far exceed these men.

Dennis Ritchie was an engineer and inventor at Bell Labs. Dennis developed the Unix operating system and the C programming language. So why should you care? Well, the odds are very good that the software running in your microwave, dishwasher, car, phone, camera, tv, dvd player, P.C., traffic light, vending machine, and thousands of other devices owe their existence to this man. He wasn't flashy; he didn't make millions of dollars. He just touches your life every day. Thanks, Dennis! "

-- Steve Jacks, Villa Park


By wordsworm on 10/27/2011 6:55:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's awesome...


lol
By Spikesoldier on 10/13/2011 6:33:55 PM , Rating: 5
anyone else notice jobs is flipping off the crowd and that cockmongler is sitting next to him?




RE: lol
By kleinma on 10/13/2011 6:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
Almost looks like he only has 4 fingers there.


RE: lol
By ClownPuncher on 10/13/2011 7:01:16 PM , Rating: 5
I call it a thumb, you cloven hoofed pagan.


RE: lol
By vol7ron on 10/13/2011 10:19:20 PM , Rating: 5
Not to be disrespectful, but I'm kind of tired of reading about Jobs. 9% of Americans are unemployed, we should be focusing on the issues.

I did hear a rumor that Jobs and Forstall were romantically engaged.


RE: lol
By Reclaimer77 on 10/13/2011 10:35:31 PM , Rating: 5
Hey did you hear about Jobs? They tried to FLASH his life before his eyes, but he wouldn't support it!!!

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Get it???


RE: lol
By DJ Brandon on 10/14/2011 12:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
dude LOL!!


RE: lol
By tastyratz on 10/14/2011 8:35:25 AM , Rating: 2
No, he was absolutely sure everyone would love and upgrade to the new Iphone 4s... He bet his life on it.


RE: lol
By Bostlabs on 10/14/2011 9:58:00 AM , Rating: 2
Man this is turning into Elvis all over again.

For those of you that weren't around... When Elvis died that only music that you could hear for quite sometime was his music. I liked Elvis. But I got so sick of hearing his songs over and over on every channel that I turned off the radio and just listened to tapes (8 track if you must know. LOL)


RE: lol
By Digimonkey on 10/14/2011 1:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
It's kind of like that except Elvis isn't really dead.


RE: lol
By Reclaimer77 on 10/14/2011 3:36:18 PM , Rating: 5
Hey I'm making up a joke here so let's see where it goes.

Steve Jobs is waiting in line for Saint Peter at the gates of heaven when he hears Peter call out "NEXT".

Jobs walks up and says "Hey you know who I am? I invented NeXT !"

Peter opens his book and sighs "Mr. Jobs, it says here you are arrogant and self-centered. Even here within sight of Heaven, you put your earthly achievements above all else. I cast you out!"

Jobs then arrives in hell, where he promptly strikes a deal with the Devil. "Satan", he says "I want you to have my legal team killed so they can get up there and sue that Saint Peter! Every time someone dies, that asshole uses "NeXT" without my permission!"

Huh!? Huh guys?? Come on give it up! lol :P


RE: lol
By cjc1103 on 10/14/2011 4:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
That was a flimsy joke, but I modded you up anyway, because I got a laugh out of it.


RE: lol
By aharris02 on 10/14/2011 5:26:20 PM , Rating: 1
That is until you posted a comment and your vote disappeared...


RE: lol
By retrospooty on 10/14/2011 11:21:02 AM , Rating: 3
LOL.... I know not everyone will see this at this time, but you know that quote at the bottom of the comments that changes with every screen refresh? Right now for me it's...

"We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits." -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs

I just flashed on several comments about how they choose "law-suits" over outdated fabric based suits. nyuk nyuk nyuk


It sounds to me like...
By NicodemusMM on 10/13/2011 9:06:05 PM , Rating: 4
they want to replace a completely unique individual with a common tool. If the SVP was "Jobsian" while being himself that's one thing. Sounds like this guy wasn't as much mentored by Jobs as cloned from him.




RE: It sounds to me like...
By bupkus on 10/14/2011 1:40:25 AM , Rating: 4
Enter the clowns.

Cloned would provide a more accurate duplicate. This guy is more cookie cutter... a counterfeit, a fraud, a sheeple in wolf's clothing.


RE: It sounds to me like...
By Tony Swash on 10/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: It sounds to me like...
By bah12 on 10/14/2011 9:25:30 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
And he's reportedly inspired his i-device staff to virtually live at Apple, skipping social events, and becoming fanatically devoted to the unit's products.
quote:
...manages a work load and team 100 times bigger...
Yah all that "hard" work, and all those missed social events to take a whole year to do what exacty? Oh yah the uber hard task of putting in the faster chip they already had, ban a software app that worked fine on older models so the App-holes in sales could call it a "feature".

Pardon me if I'm not impressed with what the team "accomplished" in a year of work. A monkey with a pencil could figure out that using the faster chip would be better. So really the only "innovative" thought in the 4S was the decision to screw over their existing user base and ban Siri from older phones, just so they had something to market other than speed.


RE: It sounds to me like...
By Tony Swash on 10/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: It sounds to me like...
By bah12 on 10/14/2011 11:09:00 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I suppose it comes from not having much experience of really doing stuff of consequence in the real world..
It's because of my experience that I can recognize an ass kissing poser when I see one. Same car and same clothes that's just creepy, but hey Apple's empire is built on creating idols. Steve knew belief in an idea would bring quite a price premium, regardless of the inferiority of the idol he had created.

There is a differenct between learning form a mentor, and riding a coat tail. "Steve wouldn't like that"...really... days after his passing. How lame of a supervisor are you that you have to pull the dead "legend" card just to get your people motivated. Personally I find it highly disrespectful of Steve, and I didn't care for Jobs all that much.
quote:
Scott Forstall who is in charge of iOS not iPhone hardware.
My mistake the article said
quote:
And he's reportedly inspired his i-device staff ...
I had assumed by i-device they meant hardware, but looks like you are correct he is only in charge of iOS. So we can take the credit for the speed bump out of his hands, and all he is left with is the Siri debacle and improved notifications. Real accomplishment there for a team of people over 12 months.


RE: It sounds to me like...
By bah12 on 10/14/2011 11:22:54 AM , Rating: 5
Oh crap I'm arguing apple topics with Tony...wth am I thinking. It's like arguing evolution with the Pope.

I've fallen victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Fanboy when logic is on the line!"


RE: It sounds to me like...
By sprockkets on 10/14/2011 3:31:32 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't the pope believe in evolution though? haha


RE: It sounds to me like...
By bupkus on 10/15/2011 3:58:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A cookie cutter who apparently earns 100 times what you will ever earn
And how rich was Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, Michael Faraday...
Here, let me go easy on myself.

http://science.discovery.com/convergence/100discov...

http://science.discovery.com/convergence/100discov...

http://math.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=m...

And for Tony Swash...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5519861/ns/business-sm...

I've met people like you before, Tony. You are in no way unique.
You measure success by dollars not by one's humanity. Your values are a betrayal of yourself. You no doubt have no self respect unless you too are an icon of enterprise and rich as the people you idolize.
Being rich was never my life's goal. I fair and just world-- much more important to me.

Work ethic? Tell me, Tony. For someone who admires workloads, you spend in inordinate amount of time posting your self deprecating descriptions.

Lastly, stay out of the dictionary business; it's already been done.


Hmmmm....
By fstarnella on 10/13/2011 9:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
Forestall looks like a flaming homo in that picture. I mean I can still see Jobs's jizz on his teeth.




RE: Hmmmm....
By Tony Swash on 10/14/2011 12:53:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Forestall looks like a flaming homo in that picture. I mean I can still see Jobs's jizz on his teeth.


Homophobia - classy.

You know what they say about homophobes don't you?


RE: Hmmmm....
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/14/2011 4:47:00 PM , Rating: 4
They act like you?


That potrait of jobs...
By Joz on 10/13/2011 8:53:18 PM , Rating: 2
Always reminds me of the card "Fascist Art Director" from MTG's unhinged set...

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.asp...

Or that one guy from MythBusters.




Cooked Apple will soon be rotten
By nofumble62 on 10/15/2011 2:24:37 AM , Rating: 2
What come up will fall down. Give it time.




Eh?
By Ditchy412-l on 10/14/2011 10:23:51 AM , Rating: 1
Why does this article keep saying what apple would be like if not for the pancreatic cancer but Steve Jobs resigned a couple of weeks before he died so it would make no difference. Oh and if this new guy follows through on all these litigation cases he is gonna be hated.




Desperate
By Tony Swash on 10/13/11, Rating: -1
RE: Desperate
By weskurtz0081 on 10/13/2011 7:46:08 PM , Rating: 3
Mac's unstoppable erosion of the Window's desktop market? Isn't the world wide market share of Mac's still below 5%?

On the rest, who cares about "Apple phobics"? Competition is great, it's driving MS to innovate on the handheld side, it's pushing Google now that iOS is finally catching/caught up on features, it's great. And, trust me, other companies can ride the coattails of Apple creating new markets that they weren't able to or didn't create.

In reality, it's a win-win for everyone!


RE: Desperate
By adiposity on 10/14/2011 1:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mac's unstoppable erosion of the Window's desktop market? Isn't the world wide market share of Mac's still below 5%?


No, it's at 6.45% worldwide, 13.74 US, at least according to the following article:

http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/mac-os-x-...


RE: Desperate
By Onimuto on 10/13/11, Rating: 0
RE: Desperate
By Onimuto on 10/13/11, Rating: -1
RE: Desperate
By 91TTZ on 10/14/2011 6:33:01 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Alot of people are like me skipping every middle phone. me and dam near everyone i convenced to get an iphone have bought iphone > iphone 3g <skip useless 3gs> >iphone4 > skipping iphone4s > awaiting iphone 5


If you wanted to skip the middle phones why would you get the iPhone 3G but skip the iPhone 3GS? The iPhone 3G was almost identical to the original iPhone while the 3GS had a lot of improvements.

The 3G had the same processor, same GPU, same RAM, same camera, etc. that the original iPhone did. There were only a few minor differences. The main difference was the addition of 3G and the name.

The 3GS had a processor that was twice as fast, a faster GPU, twice as much RAM, a digital compass, a better camera, etc.

In fact, there was a far bigger jump in specs between the 3G and the 3GS than there was with the iPhone to 3G. I think you're just looking at the name and getting fooled by that.


RE: Desperate
By Onimuto on 10/14/2011 12:41:16 PM , Rating: 1
What and why most of went from iPhone to iPhone 3G . It's aprent in the name. 3G , if the new iPhone had lte maybe but still would wait since lte isn't well ex stablished yet. Why I skipped the 3GS it had no real world improvements over my jailbroken 3G . Ad what is this twice as fast CPU you are pulling out your ass. iPhone4 maybe twice as fast. Seroiusly iPhone 3GS CPU is like the diffrence from a ati 6570 to a 6770. No I am not confused by the names. You must be one of those who by every upgrade huh. Like to see pc gpu buying habits zomg zomg invida released a 570 gtx , one month later zomg zomg invida release a 580 gtx , one month later zomg zomg invida released a 590 gtx by then in three months you spent $1,600 in gpu cards and so you feel good about yourself you convince yourself you knowtist huge performance increases. O well it's not my money honestly don't give a shit who buys what.


RE: Desperate
By jiffylube1000 on 10/16/2011 11:06:35 PM , Rating: 2
3GS had no real world improvement over the 3G? It was often 2x as fast loading webpages and apps! How about Anand's thorough review:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2790

The 3GS loaded Anandtech.com in 7.8 seconds vs 16.3 seconds on the 3G. Facebook.com loading in 13.5 seconds vs 31.7 seconds on the 3G. Etc.

The 3GS got rid of all of the "laggyness" from the 3G and original iPhone.

The iPhone 3G is limited to iOS 4.2.1 ; it wasn't powerful enough to run 4.3.x, which included multitasking for the first time. Forthermore, the iPhone 3GS can now be updated to iOS 5. Of course, the 3G is stuck at 4.2.1.

As for the iPhone 4 being 2x the speed of the 3GS, again you're wrong. They both feature am ARM Cortex A8 processor; the iPhone 4's is at 800 MHz and the iPhone 3GS' is at 600 MHz. Meanwhile, the original iPhone and 3G used the old and outdated ARM11 core. Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices


RE: Desperate
By DeluxeTea on 10/13/2011 11:42:53 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple is the finely tuned machine designed with love and care by Steve Jobs to dominate the tech market for the next decade.


Aww, you didn't get some love and care from your dear Jobs?


RE: Desperate
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/15/2011 9:49:21 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think he got a lot of love in his life period.


RE: Desperate
By TeXWiller on 10/14/2011 1:32:48 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple is the finely tuned machine designed with love and care by Steve Jobs to dominate the tech market for the next decade. He did a very good job.
But how could you possibly know that, unless.. Huh, it got suddenly very cold in here.

Oh, it was just the non-operational central heating system affecting significant areas of the city.


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