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Apple has been critical of Adobe's Flash technologies for quite some time. In fact, Apple's CEO Steve Jobs published an "open letter" in April, bashing Flash for being a closed system and proprietary in nature. The company has been a strong proponent of HTML5 as an open source alternative to Flash.

Jobs was also critical of its power consumption when used in iPhones: "Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice… But the mobile era is about low power devices, touch interfaces and open web standards – all areas where Flash falls short."

The company has now declared war on Adobe, stating that it will no longer pre-install Adobe's Flash software on any of its products, including the latest iteration of the MacBook Air launched last week.

However, Apple is saying that this move is due to security issues rather than politics. The firm states that there was a risk of accidentally distributing obsolete versions by pre-installing Flash. The onus will now be on Mac users to download the most up-to-date version of the software themselves.

Apple points to a recent incident when an obsolete version of Flash with several known security vulnerabilities shipped with OS X 10.6, known as Snow Leopard. Similar thinking about security recently led the company to deprecate its own version of Java in favor of versions distributed by Oracle.


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Similar thinking
By CvP on 10/25/2010 8:21:47 PM , Rating: 5
Similar thinking about security should lead them to deprecate OS X in favor of Windows 7.




RE: Similar thinking
By Flunk on 10/26/2010 4:49:34 PM , Rating: 2
I think you mean Linux, or BSD...


RE: Similar thinking
By morphologia on 10/27/2010 3:08:40 PM , Rating: 2
No, right on the money with Windows. OSX is less intrinsically secure than Win7. Being a less lucrative target does not make one more secure.


RE: Similar thinking
By mindless1 on 10/28/2010 3:08:14 PM , Rating: 3
That's the dumbest thing I've read all day. Security is ALWAYS about potential risk, not some concept but by using SCIENCE to asses actual breeches.

If you leave your car parked in a ghetto, doors locked but a $100 bill on the dash, it is far less secure than sitting in your suburban garage at home, keys in the ignition and engine on.

Security is a state, not an ultimate destination achieved by line item features or lack thereof.

Wanna hear something even more amazing? Win2K running Firefox and Thunderbird (or your choice of 3rd party apps for these functions) is more secure than out of box WinXP, Vista, or Win7 running IE and OE.

Problem is, people are idiots who are either themselves the security hole in what they run, or silly enough to try to prevent activities of code that already made it into execution mode instead of plugging up point of entry which is seldom the OS itself on today's systems sitting beyond firewalls, routers, etc.


RE: Similar thinking
By Trekie on 10/29/2010 1:43:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you leave your car parked in a ghetto, doors locked but a $100 bill on the dash, it is far less secure than sitting in your suburban garage at home, keys in the ignition and engine on.


It sounds like you're trying to say, or that you're implying that Apple doesn't need to worry about security as much because they aren't the primary focus for viruses/worms/trojans.

If that is the case, then I'm glad I don't own a Mac.


RE: Similar thinking
By mindless1 on 11/1/2010 2:52:14 AM , Rating: 2
I'm trying to say something similar to, most people not wearing a bullet proof vest are more secure than those that do, because those that do are doing so because they are being targeted.

I'm saying those that stick their hands under a lawnmower deck wearing kevlar gloves are more likely to get their hand chopped off than those who don't stick their hand under lawnmower decks.

I'm saying it is less secure to be in full body armor standing in front of terrorists than to be nude in your bathroom. It is not about forethought, it is about demonstrated risk, about what activity is happening to breech security.


RE: Similar thinking
By Fireshade on 11/1/2010 11:02:50 AM , Rating: 2
That's a totally illogical analogy.
Both Windows and OSX are facing the same threat: virus writers. So you analogy about wearing a bulletproof vest would correctly be: wearing one or standing nude in front of a terrorist in the same space. Now the terrorist needs to pick a target. The only thought that could occur to the terrorist is that the person wearing a vest is more important. But that's just a guess. The nude person could be far more valuable but simply clueless.


RE: Similar thinking
By mindless1 on 11/1/2010 2:16:52 PM , Rating: 2
No they aren't facing a similar threat. It would be like saying a police riot squad wearing bullet proof vests is facing the same threat as people shopping in a mall because "people with guns exist".

If you really feel that it is clueless for the mall shopper to not think they need to wear a bullet proof vest then by all means put on your vest and tin foil hat everywhere you go... but you don't, do you?

No, you've simply been brainwashed by other paranoid people.


pot meet kettle
By kattanna on 10/26/2010 12:35:59 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Apple's CEO Steve Jobs published an "open letter" in April, bashing Flash for being a closed system and proprietary in nature


LOL thats rich, the people behind iTunes, a very closed and proprietary system, whining that others are like them.




RE: pot meet kettle
By morphologia on 10/27/2010 3:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
Steve published that "open letter" from deep within his citadel in the Walled Garden of Cupertino.


RE: pot meet kettle
By roadhog1974 on 10/28/2010 9:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
convienently avoiding context aren't you?
probably you didn't read the letter.

His jobsness, was pointing out that it would be better
that the internet be based around an open protocol
such as html5 implemented by multiple vendors on
multilple platforms rather than a proprietry
product promulgated by a single vendor.

Don't compare iTuna, rather critque apples support
for h.264 over an open, patent free, video codec.

Personally I would like html to operate like OpenGL,
absorbing features that flash and silverlight come
up with and flash and silverlight become extensions
rather than replacements for html. But no company
has been that interested in pushing html since netscape
died.


In related news...
By morphologia on 10/27/2010 3:12:15 PM , Rating: 2
Pharaoh Steve-Ho-Tep demands that the Israelite laborers make bricks without straw. Charlton Heston is reported to be turing in his grave in outrage.

What do they accomplish by this, except forcing users to download it the very first time the go online?




RE: In related news...
By roadhog1974 on 10/28/2010 9:47:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What do they accomplish by this, except forcing users to download it the very first time the go online?


and get the latest version?

and that's bad?

in this age for communication surely os vendors should be
shipping less not more?

is less the new more?


Big deal.
By Dorkyman on 10/29/2010 11:39:46 AM , Rating: 2
So the first time the user goes to a page with Flash content (and enormous percentage of all pages) they will download Flash, taking a minute or so.

All the move demonstrates is a perverse refusal by senior Apple management (ahem) to deal with reality.




RE: Big deal.
By Motoman on 10/30/2010 11:55:34 AM , Rating: 2
...and it will probably scare the bejeezus out of anyone who's a likely candidate to buy a Mac in the first place.


Adobe is shunned by Apple
By Radovich on 10/25/2010 9:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
Adobe is shunned by Apple, if this isn't ture we ability to read PDFs to iphone 4 and ipad. The iPad’s iBooks application supports the standard ePub format as well as books you purchase through the iBooks store. This means that you can use the huge library of free eBooks available from the internet. Simply drag any ePub books you download to iTunes and after you sync your iPad, those books will appear in iBooks. Here is my collection of the top 10 best free iBooks for iPad from ifunia that you can download and read on your iPad.




Wha?
By gmyx on 10/26/2010 2:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The company has been a strong proponent of HTML5 as an open source alternative to Flash.

HTML 5 is not open source - it's an open specification. You nor I have the ability to change the HTML 5 specifications. That is up to the W3C and it's members, which cost a pretty penny to become. You can submit comments and other things but have no control over HTML 5 and it's contents.




antitrust
By soydios on 10/26/2010 6:02:29 PM , Rating: 2
The last time Microsoft tried to push an application out of the ecosystem, they nearly got split in two.

Let's see Apple come under some scrutiny from the DoJ.




Meh
By DKantUno on 10/28/2010 2:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter why they SAY they are doing it. If it's ultimately going to prevent snafus like the Flash downgrading thing from happening, it's good.

Although one would think checking the version number before prompting an install would not be too hard a task? Am I missing something here?




Jobs The Moron
By B3an on 10/29/2010 2:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
"Apple points to a recent incident when an obsolete version of Flash with several known security vulnerabilities shipped with OS X 10.6"

And that was actually Apples fault. There was a newer version at the time.

As for Flash being bad for phones, thats obviously not the case as Android proves, and as many other touch devices prove it's also great for touch controls - if the site/game/application is made with that in mind. Flash is an application platform after all, not a web platform, it can do pretty much anything a dev could want.

Then you also have massive cross-platform capabilities. I now only make games with Flash because of this - they will instantly run on any device or OS that supports Flash, including Win7 Phones once it gets Flash soon. This saves so much money and time.

The power draw issues also are not valid. Playing a non-flash based game is going to draw just as much power, so is something like watching a video, yet these are not banned. If a user is concerned about power, then they should atleast have an option to disable Flash while browsing the net.
One funny thing i've discovered is that HTML5 on the iPhone/iPad completely cripples the OS when it comes to using HTML5 for the most extremely simple of animations (100% CPU usage). These examples are even on Apples own site which makes it even more classic.




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