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Source says Apple expects big traffic from the upgrade promotion

Anyone out there who is using an older version of the iPhone and wants an upgrade will likely want to venture into an Apple store this week. Apple is reportedly holding a massive iPhone event in stores to help boost sales of the iPhone 5c and 5s.
Well-connected sources for 9to5 Mac indicate that the event will start on May 8 and that Apple will be contacting eligible users with older iPhones via email and inviting them into a local store to purchase newer iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C smartphones.

The source claims that Apple is expecting the sort of traffic to stores with the upgrade program that it normally sees with new device launches. Other marketing ploys are also said to be in the works to improve sales of the iPhone.
Sales of the iPhone aren’t exactly slumping (Apple sold a record number of iPhones in fiscal Q2 2014), but Apple is looking for another sales bump ahead of the launch of the iPhone 6.
However, this upgrade has us thinking that Apple must be offering some enticing discounts to encourage early upgrades to hardware that is nearly a year old (or in the case of the iPhone 5c, nearly two years old). After all, if customers have waited this long to upgrade their older iPhones, they might as well wait to see what the iPhone 6 offers instead of running to the Apple Store early with money in hand.

Source: 9to5 Mac

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Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/14, Rating: -1
RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 10:11:10 AM , Rating: 5
"An amazing offer to "upgrade" your current phone to... The exact same phone! "

Clearly there are differences... This visually explains it all.

RE: Reality Check
By skhan919 on 5/7/2014 5:25:33 PM , Rating: 2
What is meant by eligible iPhone users?
what sort of customers will be eligible.?

RE: Reality Check
By tonyswash on 5/6/14, Rating: 0
RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 10:40:10 AM , Rating: 3
Your posts are becoming as boring and monotonous as the last 4 iPhone releases.

Hey look everyone, here is Tony, defending Apple for a change. Seriously, are you in some sort of a groundhog day time warp?

RE: Reality Check
By chripuck on 5/6/2014 11:47:34 AM , Rating: 4
What did he say that was incorrect? Apple has the best profit margins hands down and they have no real reason to change. Reclaimer's comment is just flat out wrong as evidenced by the incredible revenues and high margins Apple still is enjoying.

Furthermore, there are quite a few differences between an iPhone 4 and an iPhone 5S. Even if they aren't for you, there are plenty of changes: larger screen, more RAM, faster processor, finger print scanner, best in class camera (outside of the high end Lumia line.)

If you like Android (or WP8) good for you. I like what Apple brings to the table. Ain't choice grand?

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 11:58:11 AM , Rating: 3
I didnt say he was incorrect, I said he is repetitive like groundhog day and jibbed him about being such a company schill. Clearly Apple's business model is working and highly profitable. That is where reclaimer is 1/2 wrong... He is 1/2 right that the upgrades are hardly anything... Even the changes you listed from iPhone 4 to 5s are correct, but it was 4 generations of change to get there. Meanwhile there is a giant list of missing features for a so called "high end" phone... But that is a different debate. Reclaimer's 1/2 that was wrong is that "Tim Cook doesnt get it" - he does get it. If I ran a business as profitable as Apple, I would "milk it" too. Small incremental changes and the people are lapping it up like hungry dogs. Tim Cook gets it and is milking iPhone customers like a pro.

RE: Reality Check
By Argon18 on 5/6/14, Rating: -1
RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 12:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
"Do you honestly believe that's limited here to Tony and Apple? "

I didnt say that... I just replied to Tony, so I was spekaing of Tony.

"It's no secret that the DT collective has a large number of Microsoft shills, eager to praise every turd that tumbles out of Redmond."

Ya, and a few trolls too eh?

RE: Reality Check
By tonyswash on 5/6/14, Rating: -1
RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 12:55:44 PM , Rating: 2
"BTW I try to ignore retrospooty's unpleasant snarkiness, he comes across as someone with a brain but, labouring under the burden of some sort of weird bitterness, seems to think that a bit of out and out pro-Apple commentary undermines the otherwise objective, level headed and mature discussion of Apple that otherwise occurs in the DT forums."

LOL. Well, yes, you and I have gone at this for many years. I cant even recall when you started posting here it's been so long now. So... I apologize for my recent "snarkiness". I feel it comes from a once open debate that has turned into you phoning it in like a "groundhog day" scenario. Step 1 , defend Apple at all cost. Step 2 Apple is always right in all things always. Step 3 - see steps 1 and 2. I guess I just still don't understand your "company first at all costs" mentality.

RE: Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/14, Rating: -1
RE: Reality Check
By ritualm on 5/6/2014 1:27:20 PM , Rating: 3
You of all people know I'm never wrong.

Wrong on all counts on anything related to Elon Musk, and consistently downvoted to oblivion.

Wrong on all counts on anything related to Microsoft.

Wrong on a lot of things over Android.

You claim you're never wrong because your head is stuck up your ass.
Samsung BEATS Apple's handset division in profits, just an FYI.

Apple BEATS Samsung by not needing a debt rating to begin with.
He talks like an idiot, he looks like an idiot, he's an idiot.

Says the idiot who can't get over the fact that he's always wrong, and the very mere mention of that little fact makes him turn into a hotter potato than Fred Phelps.
My OP had nothing to do with profits, so how can I be "1/2 wrong"?

Tim Cook gets it when it comes to making profits, that's where you're 1/2 wrong. Learn to read, hosehead.
Everyone looks at Apple's profits and it's like their brains turn off.

Reclaimer77 looks at Google/Android/Samsung and it's like his brain turns off.

RE: Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/14, Rating: 0
RE: Reality Check
By atechfan on 5/6/2014 4:45:16 PM , Rating: 3
Tim Cook was the man responsible, as COO, for Apples high profit margins. He managed to create a supply chain that any company would be envious of. His talent is in organisation and micromanagement. At those, he is a genius. What he is not is a public speaker. Just because he is really poor at exciting a crowd, and interviews poorly, doesn't mean he does not know what he is doing. You cannot seem to tell the difference between sounding intelligent, and being so.

RE: Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/2014 6:01:23 PM , Rating: 2
How hard could it be to outsource every goddamn thing to China? I mean come on, are you guys serious?

If the iPhone was made in the USA, THEN he would be a genius. Any old idiot can exploit the Chinese situation.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 6:37:58 PM , Rating: 2
"How hard could it be to outsource every goddamn thing to China?"

Harder than you can possibly imagine. You cant just press the "outsource" button and expect it to work. There are teams of 100's of Apple employees involved with 1000's of people at the manufacturers in China all working an insane circus/juggling act to get every single part spec'd, sampled, inspected, approved and all sub parts (the parts that go in to making the parts) ordered and assembled on time to go in to production. Add in all the different radios, carriers, logo's, plastic and colors for each of them. And that is just when things go right. Now add in the mistakes and discovering, re-ordering, returning and rescheduling... And its not a Spanish to English conversion, its Mandarin to English and that add in a whole other level of mistakes. It's an absolute nightmare for low volume products. I cant even imagine how they get it done for these 30+ million unit runs.

RE: Reality Check
By ritualm on 5/8/2014 9:27:36 PM , Rating: 1
In the other thread where you made this comment against NellyFromMA:
Goddamn you are beyond stupid when it comes to this stuff. Stop talking, and stop being a little bitch with your alt accounts downrating everyone.

What alt accounts? People find you obnoxious, egocentric, condescending, disrespectful, hotheaded... and functionally retarded. Instead of fostering a discussion where you'd at least put some intelligent thought into it, no, you come out swinging by declaring the person you're arguing as insane, idiotic, dumb, biased, all sorts of overheated personal attack rhetoric.

You are the literal equivalent of testerguy on this place. Excessively pro-Google as if you're directly employed by Mountain View (even when you're not), overzealous misguided hatred against everything Elon Musk is doing, with a shorter fuse than the most hardline of pro-Russia rebels in Eastern Ukraine.

I'm one of those posters who stayed out of that "Android is not open source" lawsuit thread on purpose - so I can systemically downvote your posts. Why? Because you're behaving exactly like testerguy, arguing others are wrong for not supporting your insanity-filled tirade.

Please stop posting.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 2:40:52 PM , Rating: 2
"I'm not half wrong on anything, thank you much. You of all people know I'm never wrong."

LOL. OK, granted, one can never be wrong if one is simply never wrong. ;)

"And where did I make a statement about profits? My OP had nothing to do with profits, so how can I be "1/2 wrong"?"

You didnt, but you did say "he just doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the consumer" Since its the companies job to make money, and they are selling alot of phones at very high margins. Apple and Tim Cook have managed to sell 100's of millions of phones that have a far weaker feature set than the competitors and still do it at very high margins. That is not only having his finger on the pulse of the consumer, it is maneuvering them like a puppet master. So in that sense, I would say yes, you were wrong on that, even though we both know that is impossible.

Let me word it differently... Any one (or company) that can sell lesser products at higher prices defintely has thier "finger on the pulse of the consumer" in a major way. You cant deny that.

RE: Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/2014 2:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
He has his finger on the pulse of Steve Jobs's consumers, yes. Not the general consumer. Witnesses by his blaming Apple's advertising firm for his own failings.

When you look at Apple's smartphone growth compared to the market as a whole, it paints a different: Apple is essentially selling to the same people over and over, while it's chief competitor Android is growing by leaps and bounds and selling in markets Apple has hardly even touched.

Basically Tim Cook is selling iPhone's to the same people his daddy Jobs did. He's failed to anticipate the needs for cheaper unlocked phones, and he completely missed the boat on developing markets.

And are you guys seriously forgetting Tim Cook's Apple Maps fiasco was responsible for Apple losing $30 billion in stock market value?

Either Cook was not aware of the problems with Apple Maps — in which case he is showing that he does not care about the quality of the products that Apple makes. Or Cook knew about the flaws and decided to launch the iPhone 5 anyway.

Now I trash Steve Jobs as much as anyone, but there's no way this happens if he's still in charge.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 2:56:21 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, OK, I see what you are getting at... Tim Cook, him personally doesnt get it, or get consumers... He was riding Jobs lead... I was thinking of Apple as a whole with him in charge.

Well, I cant say anything specific he has done as CEO other than "Coast mode" but he did manage their supply chain before being CEO. I can say this, Apple's supply chain is masterfully done and is a large part of their profitability. What Cook did with supply chain could write the textbook on how to manage a supply chain. It's a huge task that no-one outside of the supply chain world would know... It's not easy especially when dealing with these cheapass Chinese manufactures.

That isnt "consumer" stuff , but that is is background and he was damn good at it. Amazingly so.

RE: Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/2014 3:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, OK, I see what you are getting at...

Sorry, I thought I was making my meaning plain. My bad.

It's a huge task that no-one outside of the supply chain world would know...


1. Exploit the Chinese
2. Fsk over the environment and pay no taxes
3. ???
4. Profit!

LOL ok ok I'm kidding :P

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 4:32:29 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, OK your 1-4 steps thing are the benefits... What I am getting at is how incredibly difficult that is. It's hard as hell making 100,000 of anything with that many parts, tying all hte pieces together and not missing launch dates. To make 30,000,000+ is insanely difficult and to do, and to get it done using these low budget Chinese manufacturers is even tougher. It's nothing short of amazing. If you give Cook zzero credit as CEO, at least give him that. That is a large part of Apple's profits and that is why he was made CEO.

RE: Reality Check
By Lord 666 on 5/6/2014 8:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, according to Jobs himself, "Tim Cook is not a product guy, per se"

This is Cook's downfall; always has and always will be. He is too calculated to be passionate and get excited about devices and services. Musk would be the closest comparison to Jobs.

RE: Reality Check
By tayb on 5/6/2014 10:59:36 AM , Rating: 1
This is a stretch even for you. The latest iPhone had quite a bit of upgrades over the previous model. Fitness tracking chip, fingerprint scanner, and overall improved hardware. Mundane/boring update? Yes, but that is pretty much the entire smartphone market right now. GS5 = GS4 + better hardware + water resistance.

There hasn't been a lot of innovation on the hardware front for several years now. I haven't seen a phone in a couple of years that hasn't made me yawn. At this point low prices are more attention grabbing than "features."

RE: Reality Check
By ritualm on 5/6/2014 11:06:06 AM , Rating: 2
The exact same phone!

Nope. All indicators point to a move towards displays larger than the jump from 3.5" to 4" with the 5.

I'm on a wait-and-see approach with this year's phones. The S5 - your favorite underdog - is woefully underwhelming, the Z2 doesn't have enough improvements to tickle my fancy, and the M8 has too many gotchas. Going from a 4S to 5S is pointless when 6 is just around the corner.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 11:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
That is kind of what he was saying. This isnt a program to get people into the upcoming iPhone6 with what is now surely a larger screen. This is a program to get people into iPhone 5c and 5s... Which is hardly an upgrade. Same small phone, same low res low DPI screen.

A larger screened iPhone will change things and sell huge #'s I am sure, but todays offerings are just not there.

RE: Reality Check
By chripuck on 5/6/2014 11:50:59 AM , Rating: 2
Not there? Low Res, Low DPI? Are we talking about the same people that buy Apple products?

My parents with their iPhone 4's are the perfect example of who is being targeted, because they don't care about DPI and Resolution. They don't want monolithic devices to lug around, they like the smaller phones.

Just because YOU like a huge phone doesn't mean everyone does, and if Apple is actually giving a real incentive to upgrade then they might enjoy it.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 12:09:25 PM , Rating: 2
"Not there? Low Res, Low DPI?"

Yep, Yep, Yep. All of those- underscored.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 12:17:17 PM , Rating: 2
But yes, as I mentioned elsewhere, Apple knows what they are doing. They can sell phones to the tech illiterate like absolute pros.

THIS however isn't a sight for your parents to find info. This is a tech site and as someone who visits a site like this you should know what I mean.

RE: Reality Check
By ritualm on 5/6/2014 11:51:36 AM , Rating: 3
Yep, because Android doesn't lag on a middling dual-core SoC. /s

It's sad when I can bring a performance-binned Snapdragon 801 quad-core SoC, 3GB RAM, and other flagship-level smartphone hardware to a grinding halt with Android alone. Low-res low DPI screen are minor negatives compared to a lagtastic mobile OS. Meanwhile, most Android phonemakers largely abandoned the small-phone market in favor of 5"+ phones and phablets.

Pickings are extremely slim for a small Android flagship phone. Once I take Android's numerous failings into account, buying an "outdated" iPhone or a "thoroughly outclassed" WP8 phone doesn't look so bad.

RE: Reality Check
By retrospooty on 5/6/2014 12:05:54 PM , Rating: 2
"Yep, because Android doesn't lag on a middling dual-core SoC. /s"

Actually it doesnt. OEM's (Samsung is the absolute worst) adding too much bloat slows it down but it isnt the OS. An OEM ROM debloated is fast as hell even with 2 year old dual core Snapdragon S4. Android itself is not slow as of 4.1 and has no lag.

Granted Samsung is the biggest and the worst, it makes it look bad, as do older truly laggy versions of Android, but its not quite a true thing today to say "Android is laggy". There ARE laggy android phones, but its OEM/carrier bloat and poorly done implementations.

For those phones, it does take a few minutes to root and remove the bloat. If that isnt something you are interested in Android is the wrong platform for you for sure... But lets at least be clear on the issues.

RE: Reality Check
By Nutzo on 5/6/2014 12:22:58 PM , Rating: 2
And all the iBots who insisted that nobody really wants a large screen will be praising the larger screen on the new iPhone.

I prdict there will be an initial surge in sales when the iPhone 6 comes out, but sales will soon drop and apple's sales will continue to flatten.

RE: Reality Check
By tonyswash on 5/6/2014 12:53:07 PM , Rating: 1
but sales will soon drop and apple's sales will continue to flatten.

iPhone sales were up 17% this quarter year on year.

RE: Reality Check
By michael2k on 5/6/2014 12:57:36 PM , Rating: 2
You really mean to say that the people upgrading to the iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S will be upgrading from the iPhone 5? Because that's the only model with the same screen and phone (arguably).

Individually the 5 is highest at 32%, but if you count the older 4S and 4 they combine to form 40% of the market. The difference between the 5C and 4 is pretty marked (I have an older 4 I am thinking of trading in!) since it has a smaller, lower gamut, screen, a single core, less RAM, and no LTE. The difference between a 5 and 5C, and thus 5 and 5S, is much smaller. The difference between the 4S and 5/5C is also similarly small with the biggest difference in the hand is the screen size and LTE modem.

Today's offerings make sense to try to sell to those still holding onto the 4 and 4S.

RE: Reality Check
By Reclaimer77 on 5/6/2014 1:17:55 PM , Rating: 3
Once again someone here is arguing against a point NOBODY was trying to make. Did Ritualm even READ the article and my OP clearly?

Wtf this has to do with the mythical iPhone 6, I have no idea.

RE: Reality Check
By ritualm on 5/6/2014 1:28:54 PM , Rating: 1
You're not doing too well taking my words out of context.

"We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk." -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs

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