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Job posting signifies Apple taking steps to meet Verizon's technology

Brian Caulfield, author of the Shiny Objects blog for Forbes, has picked up on an interesting Apple job posting that calls for experience with a wide range of wireless technology, including Verizon's CDMA.

CDMA knowledge is certainly required if the iPhone is to ever actually come to Verizon. And while the job posting calls for a candidate familiar with GSM, GPRS, EDGE, WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA, CDMA, etc., Caulfield points out that all of those protocols are currently used by Apple's phones, with the exception of CDMA.

While the Verizon iPhone is perhaps one of the best-known, unofficially "done deals", it's still, well, unofficial. Even Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg didn't sound like he knew when his company would carry the iPhone, admitting, "If the iPhone comes to us, it's because Apple thinks it's time. Our interests are beginning to come together more but they have to take steps to align their technology with ours."

At the very least, this job posting -- in addition to nine others Caulfield cites that require knowledge of CDMA -- signifies that Apple has begun to take those steps.

Meanwhile, on the Google front: Gmail for Android received a major update yesterday that offers enhanced priority inbox support, inline responses, and improved compose workflow. The priority inbox feature mimics that of Gmail's new(ish) feature on desktops, which separates important messages from the rest by a user-rating system and an automated algorithm. The improved compose workflow allows users to select reply, reply to all, and forward, all while on the compose screen. It also allows users to set which outgoing account to use, if there are multiple Gmail accounts. 

The Gmail update, version 2.3.2, is available for free from the Android Market.

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By beerhound on 12/10/2010 9:18:20 AM , Rating: 3
I'm no industry insider, so I'm throwing this out there to see what comes back.

How does this sound: Apple signed a 5 year exclusivity deal with ATT in 2007. Apple advertises for this position for a few months and hires an engineer in early 2011. The phone goes through initial R&D and testing throughout 2011. They finalise the design and begin production in early 2012. The exclusivity agreement expires in May 2012, just in time for Stevo to stand up and do the "just one more thing" routine. The long rumoured iPhone for Verizon turns out to be the iP5.

Does that sound realistic to anyone with some experience in these things or just half-baked?

RE: timeline?
By System48 on 12/10/2010 9:42:53 AM , Rating: 2
Except that there have been a few supplier "sources" that have said a CDMA iPhone would be coming next year. Also, if the iP5 is coming out in 2012 then what will they call the phone they release next year? iPhone 4s?

RE: timeline?
By brshoemak on 12/10/10, Rating: 0
RE: timeline?
By TheRequiem on 12/10/2010 10:52:59 AM , Rating: 2
I still don't understand why Apple would only go Verizon with this, no one has confirmed that it's just Verizon, it's only been emphasized that it is. If they make a CDMA phone, I think the viability of it coming to both Verzion and Sprint is certain due to the technologies being so similar on both of those networks. I would liek to see this phone come to both major networks.

RE: timeline?
By Alexstarfire on 12/11/2010 5:04:14 AM , Rating: 2
Well based on that logic Apple should allow T-Mobile to sell the iPhone as well.

RE: timeline?
By Gio6518 on 12/10/2010 1:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
Does that sound realistic to anyone with some experience in these things or just half-baked?

My personal opinion, and I'm pretty good at predicting whats coming next.

Their probabaly looking for CDMA Engineers is most likely for the iPad, it's doubtful that Apple would break their deal with AT&T. With that being said it wouldn't stop Apple from releasing a CDMA capable phone when their exclusivity deal is completed. AT&T will almost certainly "sweeten the pot" to keep the iPhone exclusive in fear that they may lose tens of thousands of customers to competing carriers.

RE: timeline?
By RjBass on 12/10/2010 3:19:54 PM , Rating: 1
It seems to me that if AT&T wants to keep those customers then they really need to get to work on upgrading their network.

RE: timeline?
By Alexstarfire on 12/11/2010 5:05:32 AM , Rating: 2
I kinda hope they leave, then I'll get even faster speeds.

By stinkyj on 12/10/2010 9:39:33 AM , Rating: 5
This is one of the biggest stretches for news I've ever seen. I work in a protocol shop. When we look for people, obviously not everyone has experience in certain protocols, so we ask for a laundry list of protocols and industry standards, like SS7, UMTS, GPRS, GSM, 3GPP, LTE, ASN.1, etc. Apple throwing CDMA in there might get some qualified RF engineers, which aren't exactly easy to come by.

This Forbes guy must have had zero ideas for a story.

RE: Stretch
By FITCamaro on 12/10/2010 11:48:44 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously. A news article about a gmail update? Someone is trying to justify their employment.

Gmail Update
By Blight AC on 12/10/2010 12:59:22 PM , Rating: 2
It also allows users to set which outgoing account to use, if there are multiple Gmail accounts.

It's not just Gmail accounts. If you have a validated email account, you can use that to reply now too, which is exactly the feature I was looking for. I have lots of emails setup to forward to my Gmail account, now I can reply using that on my Phone from the address it was sent to.

The Desktop version had this feature for a while, I'm very happy to see it finally come to my phone.

not just for iOS
By tmodcamaro on 12/11/2010 1:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps it's because they want to include cellular data connectivity with their MacBook Air?

iPad on 3G CDMA
By Eris23007 on 12/12/2010 2:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, how has nobody considered the most obvious answer?

1) Apple has an existing relationship with Verizon -they already carry the iPad (bundled with mifi).

2) Apple is known to be working on an upgraded iPad.

Why wouldn't Apple want to integrate CDMA 3G services for those iPads intended for use on the Verizon network on the iPad 2 (or whatever they call it)?

Occam's Razor, people.

Old News
By Shadowself on 12/10/2010 12:45:39 PM , Rating: 1
Apple officially started posting positions for people that had CDMA experience well over a year ago. This is just a posting to expand that team (if one exists). This is really just old news. At most it is an update to old news.

With regard to the "5 year" exclusivity -- it is an urban legend based upon nothing more than rumors.

The original exclusivity was a given fact. Both Apple and AT&T admit, on the record, to having had an exclusive deal. However *neither* of them -- Appler nor AT&T -- have ever stated how long that exclusivity was/is to last.

The *original* rumor was that it was a 3 year exclusivity. The next set of rumors said it was for 5 years. The next set of rumors was that it was for either 2 or 3 years with AT&T getting one year options -- and depending upon the rumor source the options -- if agreed to by both parties and fully exercised -- could give a total of either 5 or 7 years.

So what's reality?
Is it 2 years with options to 5 -- some of which have been exercised?
Is it 3 years with options to 7 -- some of which have been exercised?
Was it 3 years and Apple is just biding its time until it has a phone for Verison and Verison agrees to acceptable terms?
Is it 5 years?

I guarantee that no one but the executive staffs and the lawyers at the two companies know for sure. The rest of us will just have to wait to find out.

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