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Apple's next generation iPad aims to strengthen its position in the marketplace; new Apple TV also announced

There have been plenty of rumors floating around regarding the release of the iPad 3, but we finally now know all the details on Apple's third generation tablet.
 
As expected, the major new feature for the iPad is the gorgeous 2048 x 1536 instead of the 1024 x 768 resolution on the iPad 1/iPad 2. The 9.7” screen features 3.1 million pixels, making it 264 ppi. According to Apple, the screen also has 44 percent better color saturation.
 
When it comes to the processor onboard, Apple has decided not to go the quad-core route like the recent crop of Ice Cream Sandwich tablets. Instead, the new iPad is powered by a revised version of Apple A5 processor: the A5X. The A5X still has a dual-core CPU; however, the GPU is now quad-core. Apple simply states that the A5X's graphics performance is “four times faster than Tegra 3”. We’ll just have to wait for the benchmarks before we can accept that statement.
 
There has also been speculation that the amount of RAM onboard has doubled from 512MB to 1GB, but Apple doesn’t like to get into such “trivial” details during its keynotes. We’ll have to wait until the teardowns commence before we find out the truth.
 
The rear-facing camera is now a 5MP unit with backside illumination, 5-element lens, IR filter, and autofocus. 1080p video record is also supported.

 

 
And while the iPad won’t have full Siri integration, it does support voice dictation in English (U.S., British, Australian), French, German and Japanese.
 
Another big addition to the iPad is the inclusion of an LTE radio (21Mbps HSPA+ / 42Mbps DC-HSDPA / 73Mbps LTE), that is if you don’t mind paying an extra $130. LTE is supported on both AT&T and Verizon. When roaming globally, you’ll fallback to 3G, however. In addition, the iPad 3 can now be used as a personal hotspot (if your carrier supports it).


Despite the increased processing power and higher resolution display, Apple says that the new iPad will have the same battery life as the iPad 2 (10 hours on Wi-Fi, 9 hours on LTE). The new iPad is also slight heavier (1.4 lbs vs. 1.33 lbs) and thicker (9.4mm vs 8.8mm).
 
Unfortunately, even though this is the third generation iPad, Apple is still being stingy when it comes to storage space. Size capacities remain at 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB. We'll likely have to wait until we get to the iPad's fourth generation before Apple decides to part with some of its massive profits and piles of cash to throw a few dollars per device to double storage capacities across the board.

 
Apple is holding the line on pricing for the new iPad. As before, the Wi-Fi models are priced at $499, $599, and $699. Stepping up to the LTE version will set you back $629, $729, and $829. Pre-orders start today and the iPad will be available March 16.

For those looking for a cheaper way to step into the iPad family, Apple has reduced the price of the 16GB iPad 2 to $399.

In other Apple news, iOS 5.1 will be available later today for the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad.
 
Also announced today was a new version of the Apple TV. The new version still retails for $99, but will now include support for 1080p content and features a more streamlined interface. It will launch March 16.
 
Also noteworthy is that movies and TV shows will now be accessible through iCloud in 1080p.


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Apple is still the leader, but...
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/7/2012 2:09:45 PM , Rating: 2
Should you buy this device?

Overall, Apple narrowly delivers the cleanest tablet experience, in terms of app selection and core apps.

But new ICS tablets and Windows 8 tablets should change that. iOS is looking very long-in-the-tooth and dated versus modern mobile operating system designs.

The high-res screen is nice and certainly a buying point, but apps using the extra real estate will likely be scarce for some time now.

And LTE will likely gobble the battery -- very curious how long it will last.

The packaging okay -- not better than the iPad 2, but not terrible. However, Apple's continued insistence not to provide customers with microSD expansion slot really hurts the value equation of the device.

Overall I don't see that much reason to buy one of these versus a Windows 8 tablet, ICS tablet, or discounted iPad 2.




RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By EnzoFX on 3/7/2012 2:25:47 PM , Rating: 5
I don't think the average consumer cares about any of that. I also find it frivolous to talk about what might be... When it comes down to a purchase like this, I think it comes down to what's the best thing out there now. That's who's going to be pre-ordering and driving the sales at this time. Anyone else already knows how they feel, if they're attracted to the apple ecosystem, or already in it. What's left is people that haven't bought any tablets, and are indifferent to the manufacturers. Though more like, people that are anti-apple for one silly reason or another. I hardly think they're going to even consider buying it.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 2:30:51 PM , Rating: 1
Pretty much. For people who want the best hardware, best tablet app selection, and the best developer support, the new iPad is the only way to go right now. If you're on a budget then you can get an iPad 2 for $400. And if you're anti-iPad for whatever irrational reason (you hate good products, I dunno), then there are slower ICS products with a tiny fraction of the tablet developers out there.

Can't wait to see Anandtech's detailed analysis when he gets his hands on one.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/7/2012 2:39:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
then there are slower ICS products with a tiny fraction of the tablet developers out there.

Err other than a couple off-brand designs there's only 2 ICS tablets -- the Transformer Prime and Toshiba Excite.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_scat_1232597011_...

I agree the iPad 3's experience is likely better than the Transformer Prime, but it's kind of silly to call "ICS products" "slower" when at this point there's only been two (and your probably basing your comments on the Prime).

And you're overlooking Windows 8 tablets that will land later this year.

Having spent a week with an iPad 2 (I enjoyed it) and having spent time with a Windows 8 reference design at IDF 2011, I have to say I enjoyed the Windows 8 experience more.

I'm not knocking the iPad -- it is a solid experience.

I'm just pointing out that there will soon be better experiences -- if not ICS, then Windows 8, most definitely.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 2:53:58 PM , Rating: 2
I'm leaning on Tegra 3 benchmarks for comparison. It was barely competitive with an iPad 2 from last year, so it follows that it won't keep pace with the SoC in the new one. NVIDIA is playing major catch-up with the Tegra 4.

As for better experiences, we'll see. I think Windows 8 will be good on tablets. Desktop use is another subject; this may be the first time I don't upgrade Windows and actually stick with Windows 7 unless they address some major UI issues in Win8, and this is with me using a friend's MS employee discount. I also thought the people stuck with Windows XP and skipped Vista, even after the driver issues were addressed, were crazy.

One of the major deciding factors in tablet adoption may be the segmentation of Metro apps from standard Windows desktop apps. Will developers go with Metro in the same quantities that they have with iOS? Will the customers be there? I'm not a fortuneteller so I won't make any predictions there. As for ICS/Honeycomb, the writing has been on the wall for months now, tablet development has contracted in the same time that iPad development has accelerated and customers continue to reject the platform.

While I think Android tablets outside of low-end products from Amazon are dead, Windows 8 may be another story. Whether it will be competitive is the big question, same goes for if hardware companies provide better hardware. We'll see when it drops later this year.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/7/12, Rating: 0
By GulWestfale on 3/7/2012 3:52:57 PM , Rating: 1
i bought a lenovo K1 tablet for a lousy $285 at best buy a month ago (299, but it was an open box).
1GHz tegra 2, 1GB RAM, 32GB storage.
i am perfectly happy browsing the web, watching the occasional youtube video, and even typing with it (tip: download the 'hacker's keyboard' from the market, it has the same layout as a desktop one and is free).

it has a widescreen, an HDMI output (so you get easy web+youtube on your HDTV) and can download apps from multiple sources.
battery life is an honest 8 hours, it's nice to hold, has great build quality, a nice screen... there are only two downsides: the speakers suck, and lenovov's android customizations are just about as idiotic as everyone else's (though easily removed).

so, i don't get why people still buy ipads. my sister in law got an ipad 2 a few months ago, and now hates it after seeing what mine can do, for half the price. hers doesn't even have a widescreen, and neither does the new one.

so apple says it's 'amazing' that they're now selling the old one $399, but i find it amazing that some poor suckers still fall for it, when such a clearly superior alternative is available. and it's not just lenovo; i was at best buy just today and saw samsung galaxies, toshibas, gateways and even sonys for between 350 and 450...


By hiscross on 3/7/2012 3:08:34 PM , Rating: 2
do you dream of genie?


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 3:18:26 PM , Rating: 1
I'd say Windows 8 will be the biggest threat, as Android is too fragmented.

Two reasons to choose Win8 tablet over ipad:
1. Flash (it matters on a tablet)
2. MS Office

These two are also the biggest reasons why I still don't have an ipad.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Sazabi19 on 3/7/2012 3:35:07 PM , Rating: 1
ICS is joining all the Android OS's in the future to have 1 continuous OS across the board so that won't be a problem. Flash works on Android devices and has products that are compatible with MS Office and will convert (possibly even natively write in format I don't exactly know) them to work. I like the Windows environment as well but there just doesn't seem to be the large congregation of developers (or apps) that iOS or Android has. Now while that isn't important for any other MS OS I use (desktop/laptop) it is important to this segment. Other than productivity purposes if the Win8 tabs don't have fun little things for the mindless general public with money it won't matter, they want to play their games and will overlook the rest of what the corporate world will look to lock down.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 3:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
Because apps on Android apps are so popular, even WebOS trumps it:
http://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02...

Anything besides Apple is pretty much a newcomer and I believe Windows 8 has a decent chance of being number 2 in the tablet market.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Iaiken on 3/7/2012 4:46:14 PM , Rating: 1
FYI: Kindle fire is an Android device.


By GulWestfale on 3/7/2012 4:51:33 PM , Rating: 1
kingsoft office creates and edits MS word .doc files, and it's a free download from the android market.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 6:04:16 PM , Rating: 2
The Fire uses a custom forked version of Gingerbread, not even Honeycomb or ICS. It is a $200 device produced by one of the largest retailers in the world. If anything you'd expect it to have even more downloads than it does.

Corduroy's point stands, non-iOS tablets in anything except the low-end (the Kindle and the fire-sale priced WebOS Touchpad) aren't getting buyers.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By GulWestfale on 3/7/2012 8:15:39 PM , Rating: 2
according to a german news site (spiegel.de), 15 million ipads were sold last year, compared with 11 million android tablets. that's hardly 'not getting buyers.'


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 12:09:24 AM , Rating: 3
Those figures are incorrect, almost 40 million iPads were sold to customers last year. 11 million Honeycomb tablets were shipped to retailers but about a quarter of them actually sold through to customers. There is a big difference in reporting sales figures there. Samsung is the leader in Honeycomb tablet sales and even they admitted that sales were weak. They aimed at 10 million sales in 2011 and barely managed 2 million.

The only successful non-iPad tablet so far is the Kindle Fire at about six million units sold, but that is a $200 device running a custom version of Gingerbread (not Honeycomb or ICS) on slow hardware. Very different market from devices like the iPad or the Galaxy Tab.

Finally, Honeycomb traffic (a fair indicator of customer usage) is only 1% of all Android traffic. Here's one of the first links Google came back with: http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/09/android-tablets-stil...

Taking iOS into account paints an even worse picture. 60% of mobile traffic is on iOS, and traffic on the iPad surpassed that of the iPhone.

quote:
In August 2011, iPads delivered 97.2 percent of all tablet traffic in the U.S. iPads have also begun to account for a higher share of Internet traffic than iPhones (46.8 percent vs. 42.6 percent of all iOS device traffic).


This was before the Holiday quarter where iOS sales exceeded Android sales. Either way, comparing iPad traffic with Honeycomb traffic that is a fraction of 1% is a fair indicator that Android tablets are not selling very well.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 12:23:34 AM , Rating: 3
Whoops, forgot to post the tablet traffic study: http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Release...

Again, you're looking at 97.2% of tablet internet traffic coming from the iPad, with the remaining 2.8% coming from Honeycomb and WebOS tablets. Either it means that the iPad is outselling by a very wide margin, or that Android users don't use their devices very much. I suspect that it is the former.


By Commodus on 3/7/2012 5:07:11 PM , Rating: 4
You do know that Flash won't run in Windows 8's Metro-edition browser, right? So you either have to use an Intel tablet and kick over to the regular desktop version or go without.

Flash is dying on mobile; Adobe's stopped support. Time to embrace that.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 5:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Two reasons to choose Win8 tablet over ipad:
1. Flash (it matters on a tablet)
2. MS Office


1. Flash doesn't work in Metro, nor will it work on Windows 8 ARM tablets at all. Adobe also abandoned continued development of the mobile flash player. Pretty much every website out there supports HTML5 video for tablets and mobile phones so it is also kind of a moot point.

2. MS Office is coming on the iPad this year. "Soon" is the word, and most likely before Windows 8 is released. The only unknown is the difference in quality between the two applications, we'll know for sure later this year. Every Microsoft application on iOS I've seen has been top notch so far, so I expect that Office on iPad will be pretty good.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 5:29:35 PM , Rating: 1
1. Did not know that, that makes Win8 tablets even more useless than the ipad for me.
2. No guarantee that MS will actually release Office on the ipad, that is if they're smart enough to do so.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Tequilasunriser on 3/7/2012 6:12:34 PM , Rating: 4
"1. Did not know that, that makes Win8 tablets even more useless than the ipad for me."

Why? Do you really need flash? It's being abandoned because of the unanimous support for HTML 5.

Why are people so hung up on flash?


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By xti on 3/7/2012 8:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
exactly, yet when there is a need to bash iphone/ipad, out comes "IT CANT EVEN DO FLASH".


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By PrezWeezy on 3/7/2012 8:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why are people so hung up on flash?


Hulu


By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 12:18:37 AM , Rating: 2
Hulu has non-Flash apps for both iOS and Android. They're better than the web interface anyway since they are designed specifically for 10" and 7" touchscreens.


By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 8:28:24 PM , Rating: 2
Because there are lots of video sites, or newspaper sites that don't have an app, or a crappy app, that use flash. Not all of them are porn either...


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 6:14:48 PM , Rating: 3
Information and photos on Office for iPad have been leaked over the last few weeks. It makes loads of sense for Microsoft given how much money they would make.

The Office division is their most profitable, it actually makes more money then Windows does. Office on OS X is also highly profitable, and it has a higher attach rate percentage in OS X than it does Windows. This is presumably because OS X has a smaller number of users but a higher percentage that buys productivity applications, while the vast majority of Windows users outside of enterprise use it for basic/casual functions like web, email, games, etc.

On top of that, Microsoft has about two dozen iOS applications, all of which I have are excellent, and they keep cranking out more. Skydrive was my last download. Compare this with only about five on Android, all of which are things like simple front ends for Bing or MSN.

So Microsoft already makes a lot of money on Apple platforms, we know that.

There are nearly 60 million iPads out right now, and that number will cross 100 million this year. Just for the sake of argument, let's say that Microsoft sells the Office suite for $30. 20 million sales in the first month would amount to over half a billion in revenue, easy, and that would be just the beginning.

You ask if Microsoft is smart enough to actually release Office on the iPad. I'd say they are.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 6:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There are nearly 60 million iPads out right now, and that number will cross 100 million this year. Just for the sake of argument, let's say that Microsoft sells the Office suite for $30. 20 million sales in the first month would amount to over half a billion in revenue, easy, and that would be just the beginning.

Subtract the amount of money they'd lose by having more home users switching to ipads over their windows + office laptops, and you'll see it makes no sense. Even worse if corporations start using them. MS makes office for only one other platform, OS X, because they know it's no threat to Windows. iOS is a thread and they won't release it, unless it's severely gimped and you'll need a paid for Xbox Live/Skydrive subscription to use it.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 8:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
The thing is that Microsoft is already having issues keeping home users upgrading full versions of Office, especially given the fact that alternative services like Google Docs is "good enough" for more and more people. The bulk of Office sales are to businesses and the backend services associated with it.

Microsoft is a software company, and having applications on other popular platforms like OS X or iOS makes sense for them. Office makes more money than Windows. It can obviously be argued that Office is a driver for Windows sales, but again, Microsoft is in the business of making money, and they've done it for a long time on Apple platforms. Tablet sales of Office could also drive sales for Office on Windows/OS X or even Office365 subscriptions.

What would Microsoft rather have, home users who buy fewer copies of Office for their desktops, or have them buy lower priced versions of Office for tablets such as the iPad which then add value to the desktop application or tie them into Microsoft's cloud services? They want people in the Office ecosystem, and it isn't one that is necessarily tied to Windows.

By the way, I think your point with Skydrive is a good one. I don't think it'll be required to use Office, but it would add value. Skydrive is already on the iPhone and iPad so it would be a natural fit to integrate it with Office for iPad when it does come out.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 8:09:14 PM , Rating: 2
I totally understand your argument by the way. This is the prime argument about what drives Microsoft's business.

Office generates more revenue and profit than Windows. They have to weigh the risk of undermining Windows position by offering Office on other platforms against the risk of undermining Office's position by not having it on what is fast becoming a new standard.

FWIW, I think they will end up being complimentary to one another. I don't see mass abandonment of desktops or laptops for this. Think of it as Microsoft having the potential to double-dip on Office purchases, one for desktop and one for the iPad. At worst they'd be selling Office to people who aren't likely to get a full version of it in the first place. Services like Google Docs are a much bigger factor than I thought they would be.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Helbore on 3/8/2012 6:18:34 AM , Rating: 2
I think its fairly obvious the way this will go. Ms will release Office for the iPad, but it will be a simple version compared to the traditional Windows desktop version. However, they have already told us that Windows on Arm devices will allow access to the desktop purely (and only) for access to the bundled Office suite.

So Windows tablets will come with Office pre-installed and will have the full suite, rather than a cut-down version. This is win-win for Microsoft. first, they make additional sales on iOS devices and second, they show that iOS is not as good a platform as Windows for running Office.

If they do it any other way, I'll be very surprised.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 7:22:29 PM , Rating: 2
I think your scenario is very likely. We'll see how hobbled the iOS version ends up being. As it stands, Microsoft's OS X and iOS software are both very very good. Some people prefer Office for Mac and they make some of the absolute best iOS applications around. I can totally understand intentionally making the iOS version of Office worse in order to make the Windows 8 tablet platform more appealing, but we'll see.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By corduroygt on 3/8/2012 8:32:55 PM , Rating: 1
Or make it a subscription app, sort of like an ipad App for office365 site...


By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 9:26:06 PM , Rating: 2
What seems most likely is making it a paid app with Office365 integration. Users have a choice to use Office365 or not. It will still be useful to lots of people, and at the same time having that option is a good way to encourage subscriptions.

I've seen a lot of laptops replaced by iPads in airport terminals and business class lounges. What used to be Thinkpads, Dells, and MBPs are now mostly iPads. Being able to edit and collaborate on Office docs stored on MS's servers on a light tablet is something that will be very popular when it comes out.

It obviously won't replace Office on laptops or desktops, it will be a supplemental method of working with documents. Microsoft wants their hands in as many pies as possible.


By foolsgambit11 on 3/7/2012 6:34:24 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, for several sites I use, Flash is a must. And spoofing a desktop browser. "This content is not available on mobile - try our iPhone/iPad app" is the biggest BS ever. If you aren't going to support an Android app (you know, like, a third of the smartphones out there, more than iOS) then don't block mobile. Simple, no?


By Sazabi19 on 3/7/2012 3:28:38 PM , Rating: 3
The Transformer (TF101) original is running ICS as well, not just the prime. I'm holding mine in my hand right now. I got it the day it came out in the states about 10 days ago. It has been rock solid, no issues what soever.


By aebiv on 3/7/2012 4:42:37 PM , Rating: 2
Original Transformer is also ICS now.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By testerguy on 3/8/2012 1:30:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree the iPad 3's experience is likely better than the Transformer Prime, but it's kind of silly to call "ICS products" "slower" when at this point there's only been two (and your probably basing your comments on the Prime).


Why does that make it silly? Both of them are slower.

quote:
And you're overlooking Windows 8 tablets that will land later this year.


Are we really 'overlooking' devices which may or not come out in many months time and may or may not suck? By that logic, you're overlooking the iPad 5, due out in a years time. People want the best tablet out right now.

If you're honest with yourself, if this exact same tablet was developed by Samsung, with a version of Android which behaved like iOS, and had the massively better app library that the iPad does - you would rant and rave about it being vastly superior to any other tablet out there. Instead, you've desperately tried to post the first comment on what was essentially a rare unbiased article to try and convince people not to buy it.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 7:26:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you're honest with yourself, if this exact same tablet was developed by Samsung, with a version of Android which behaved like iOS, and had the massively better app library that the iPad does - you would rant and rave about it being vastly superior to any other tablet out there. Instead, you've desperately tried to post the first comment on what was essentially a rare unbiased article to try and convince people not to buy it.


Mick's reality distortion is hilariously ironic given the direction of his bias.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By retrospooty on 3/7/2012 2:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
"For people who want the best hardware, best tablet app selection, and the best developer support, the new iPad is the only way to go right now. "

I prefer the best OS and the best customization options along with the best UI, so I will go with ICS :P


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 2:55:57 PM , Rating: 1
So you're sacrificing performance and applications for the ability to tweak your home screen. Cool.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By retrospooty on 3/7/2012 2:59:47 PM , Rating: 2
Nope. I am not, that is your fantasy.

both have about 500k apps and all the best apps are available on both. ICS is WAY better than IOS for me, and as far as "faster" Apple only excelled in the GPU, not CPU. Give it a few months and there will be sevearl Android tabs that are faster. That is the glory of not being married to one single maker.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 3:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
The discrepancy between app selection between the two platforms is quite large, especially when it comes to apps targeted towards tablets, unless you're focusing on ubiquitous applications like Angry Birds or Netflix. That's fine, but there isn't the same depth in selection either. Microsoft Office is coming with no plans for an Android port, and the game selection goes without saying.

It makes sense too, developers make more money on iOS since it has more customers, not to mention the fact that targeting tablets doesn't make sense given that Honeycomb browser stats are so incredibly low (aka - very few people actually use them): http://blog.flurry.com/bid/79061/App-Developers-Be...

Faster hardware with more apps, it is pretty simple. Price is even less of a factor too, you can get an iPad 2 that a Tegra 3 tablet can barely keep up with for $400.

And yeah, hardware advantages will obviously swap back and forth at some point, the problem right now is that non-Android hardware is still playing catch-up. Hopefully NVIDIA or someone else will make a huge leap in order for Android tablets to actually be competitive.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 3:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
And just so I'm clear, it isn't blind bashing at ICS/Honeycomb tablets, the developers and hardware simply aren't there right now. In terms of alternate tablet ecosystems I'm more looking forward to Windows 8 later this year simply because of the relative ease of getting developers on board and the fact that Microsoft has done a great job with their mobile operating systems.

I think it is ridiculous that a mobile OS as nice as Windows Phone 7 still has such a minority of the market right now.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By ShaolinSoccer on 3/7/2012 5:04:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
And just so I'm clear, it isn't blind bashing at ICS/Honeycomb tablets, the developers and hardware simply aren't there right now.


You're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about! I have friends who own Apple products. They come over and wonder why I get to do the tons of stuff I can do on my Android tablet that THEY CANNOT DO on their Apple product. Apple is a CLOSED system. You only get to do what they allow you to do while Android is OPEN! I can do whatever I want for absolutely "FREE". If you're happy with Apple's closed system then go for it. I'll be enjoying everything a tablet is meant to be while you won't!


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 5:26:06 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, look who's mad.

"Closed" and "open" are beside the point, what matters is which has the most developers on board. The XBox 360 is a closed ecosystem but it has the most games of any console right now. Steam is a closed ecosystem but has the best delivery service for games. Amazon Kindle is even more closed the Apple's ecosystem, but it is an incredible platform for reading books.

ICS being open means nothing to me if it doesn't have the development community to back it up. What good is an open system with anemic development? What good is an open platform you can do less on? If open equated to more utility then I would have switched from Windows to Linux eons ago, but things don't work that way.

If people get jealous over your ability to customize your home screen, awesome. That isn't where my priorities lie, I want performance and applications targeted specifically to a tablet.

If "open" really matters to you then I certainly hope you're running Ubuntu and tweaking it to your heart's content. Hypocrisy is lame.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By ShaolinSoccer on 3/7/2012 10:22:56 PM , Rating: 2
You're a fool and a sheep. You're comparing apples to oranges. I'll keep enjoying the benefits of my open system while you go on an enjoy your closed system. If you're happy with being "limited" then go for it!


By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 11:47:53 PM , Rating: 3
Limited to weak dev support, woe is me!

BRB, installing Ubuntu desktop on my main SSD, I hear 2012 is the year it'll finally be relevant, plus it's open so it has to be good!


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By retrospooty on 3/7/2012 3:26:30 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree... YOU should but an ipad.

I will stick the better product for me. I am more interested in OS and useability than availability of 500,001 apps. I use 30 or 40 and I am good... To be honest, both app stores are way too flooded with apps. Can you imagine how long it would take to read, just the titles (forget the specs) of 500,000 apps? Anyhow, IOS is looking really aged and stagnant at this point. ICS rocks.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 3:43:09 PM , Rating: 2
And one of the best PC games from last year, Frozen Synapse, is coming to iPad this year with no Android plans at the moment. Same goes for MS Office and the cool Diablo-style game Epic Games showed at the iPad 3 presentation. And it is at nearly the resolution of my 2560x1440 27" desktop! I'm fine with the iOS desktop being an app launcher, that's what I do with my Windows 7 desktop as well anyway. :)

Cheers.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By retrospooty on 3/7/2012 3:50:53 PM , Rating: 2
meh... If it isnt Call of Duty, or Battlefield 3 , or The old republic or high end like that it just doesnt interest me. Tablets and phones for me just dont cut it for real gaming. Need KB/Mouse or PS3/Xbox style controllers.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 5:11:14 PM , Rating: 2
Call Of Duty bores me and IMHO the Battlefield series peaked with 1942. BF2 was good, Bad Company 2 and BF3 are meh. The only PC games keeping my interest these days are Starcraft 2, the DOTA 2 beta, and the Diablo 3 beta. 16+ years of FPS and it seems I'm finally tired of them.

Either way, the important thing is that games are actually being targeted properly for touch interfaces. A lot of first gen touch games tried to plug FPS gameplay into a touch interface, and as you said they simply didn't work because it was missing a physical controller. Games have been coming out that really take advantage of touch interface, not to mention things like asymmetric gameplay that the platform is so good at (these devices are "always on" and always with you). Touch isn't worse, it is simply different, and the types of games that work well on a PC or console shouldn't be expected to work the same on a mobile touch interface, and vice versa. Some games like World Of Goo and Plants vs Zombies (both also on Android) are actually better than they are on PC.

And btw, you should check out Frozen Synapse on Windows. It was in my top 3 for 2011, super excellent game. :)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-26-froze...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/edit...


By foolsgambit11 on 3/7/2012 6:43:51 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't so much that iOS has more customers (it has more on the tablet form factor), but that you only have to worry about a couple of hardware configurations. As things stand now, anything that is graphically intensive especially is liable to need a lot of work to get working on different platforms. Taking photos? You can query the camera for resolution, but if you're designing a UI, how do you fit unexpected photo resolutions in? Especially when the screen resolution is also a strange value? Not too hard, but more effort, certainly. And on and on. It all adds up to developing apps for iOS first, and then getting around to Android when you can.


By testerguy on 3/8/2012 1:56:30 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
both have about 500k apps and all the best apps are available on both. ICS is WAY better than IOS for me, and as far as "faster" Apple only excelled in the GPU, not CPU. Give it a few months and there will be sevearl Android tabs that are faster. That is the glory of not being married to one single maker.


Android tablets have nowhere near the same number of apps designed specifically to work on them, probably because of the myriad of different resolutions which are a nightmare for developers. Look at the original Galaxy and see how they changed the resolution from the 1st generation to 2nd.

Android tablets haven't even caught up to the performance of the iPad 2 yet - let alone the new iPad. That's the problem with being 'married' to a bunch of smaller companies who compete with each other, none of whom have any ability to buy in the kind of bulk Apple can and does, or has anywhere near the money to invest in R&D that Apple can and does. Right now, none of them can develop a tablet as well as Apple can.

As for whether the CPU is faster, firstly you have no idea what the CPU in the new iPad performs like in benchmarks. Secondly the GPU is more perceptible since iOS is GPU accelerated and is the limiting factor where performance really counts like sliding animations and games.
Thirdly any slight CPU deficit is more than compensated for by the vastly superior GPU, so overall performance is higher.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By kmmatney on 3/7/2012 3:14:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I prefer the best OS and the best customization options along with the best UI, so I will go with ICS :P


I prefer those traits as well - that's why I have a Jailbroken iPad2.


By BrgMx5 on 3/7/2012 5:40:04 PM , Rating: 2
Me too,

Enjoying XBMC thru wifi at home, way better than streaming.

Very satisfied, but wont update do the new. iPad 2 can decode everything i throw at it, so no new iPad or other tablet for me.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By vvk on 3/7/2012 5:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
I was pondering if I should find an excuse to buy the new ipad and even put it in apple store cart but then I thought about the missing SD card and HDMI slot (I know about the cable option)and spending money for yet another gadget. But ultimately my preference for the android OS was the deciding factor to resist the urge.

I have the Galaxy Note and it is a better option, for my needs, as you get both a phone and mini tablet in one device that you can carry with you all the time. Furthermore, and do not need to sign for yet another Internet plan to use the GNote to the fullest.


By vignyan on 3/7/2012 4:44:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And if you're anti-iPad for whatever irrational reason (you hate good products, I dunno)


I don't buy blood diamonds and apple products. :P


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By luseferous on 3/7/2012 6:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't think the average consumer cares about any of that.


Your right. The biggest selling point for this tablet is the number 3 that will be enough lure for most consumers. I doubt even the higher screen res will mean anything to 75% of tablet users. That's not a put down, most just don't care about specs all that matters is that it is the latest ipad.

Hopefully things will change in a few months with Win8 and some real competition will be available. Again not a put down of Android. It just doesn't register with the average buyer that it is just as good a solution for what they want...web browsing.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By testerguy on 3/8/2012 2:00:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The biggest selling point for this tablet is the number 3


What number 3?


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By luseferous on 3/8/2012 9:02:23 AM , Rating: 2
iPad ... iPad2 ... iPad3

Was it really that hard to work out ?


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By testerguy on 3/8/2012 11:10:37 AM , Rating: 3
*waits for the dumb guy to realise it isn't called iPad 3'

Shouldn't be long, it's not 'that hard to work out'...

/whistles.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/8/2012 11:55:53 AM , Rating: 1
*waits for apples bitch boy to admit hes apples bitch boy"

/whistles...


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By testerguy on 3/9/2012 7:41:21 AM , Rating: 2
It's like you don't even realise your comment is more insulting to you than me.

Quiet time, Dailytech monkey ;-)


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/9/2012 8:21:22 AM , Rating: 2
No, it's really not, but in your warped mind, I guess anything is possible...


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By luseferous on 3/8/2012 6:30:25 PM , Rating: 2
So very sorry the 'new iPad' and will it be known as the new iPad in a couple of years time when the new, new iPad comes out?

Or will this incarnation be known as the iPad 3 ?

Please enlighten this poor dumb guy oh wise one. /sarcasm


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By testerguy on 3/9/2012 7:40:02 AM , Rating: 2
Accurate people will call it the third generation iPad.

What people call it in the future is irrelevant to your point anyway since you claim they are buying it for the '3' - which it doesn't have.


By luseferous on 3/9/2012 4:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
Well a couple of people might but 99.999..% of the world will know it as the iPad 3 and that's the way it will be sold.

So stop being so needlessly pedantic.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By name99 on 3/7/2012 2:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
"And LTE will likely gobble the battery -- very curious how long it will last"

The event specifically said the LTE life was as long as the current iPad2 3G life, so about 9hrs. Not clear exactly how that is measured, but presumably the test is something like streaming a looped movie via LTE.

As for why to buy iPad:
- quality of the touchpad
- the apps
Why to buy iPad3 specifically:
- quality of the screen
- (maybe --- not yet clear) more RAM
If you don't care about these particular features, then don't buy one. But don't pretend that the differences (for me, most obviously the screen) don't exist.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/7/2012 2:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The event specifically said the LTE life was as long as the current iPad2 3G life, so about 9hrs. Not clear exactly how that is measured, but presumably the test is something like streaming a looped movie via LTE.

Apple says that. I would like to see thorough real world testing to confirm that.

Also, I see people hitting their data caps and accruing big overages very easily, given the amount of free apps. I think the slower 3G connection has been saving some people from going overboard in the past.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By nafhan on 3/7/2012 2:54:29 PM , Rating: 2
--It's reasonable to believe that Apple would have upped the battery capacity to compensate for LTE.
--Newer LTE modems use less power.
--Most importantly, Apple tends to be pretty realistic with their battery life estimates.

Data usage is an Apple problem, and an Android problem, and an MS problem, because it's a carrier problem. Apple can only do so much about that. I imagine that that if they could avoid regulatory issues, they might solve this problem by purchasing Sprint or TMobile. They've got the cash...


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/7/2012 3:13:09 PM , Rating: 2
They did up battery capacity.

iPad 2: 25 watt-hours
iPa3 3: 42.5 watt-hours


By nafhan on 3/7/2012 5:10:31 PM , Rating: 2
More battery capacity + similar battery life = more heat generated. It'll be interesting to see if that's an issue. I'm guessing it'll be warmer, but not enough to be a problem in most usage scenarios.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 2:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
Anandtech has reviewed Apple battery life for years, and in most cases he's found that Apple has been conservatively sandbagging their advertised numbers. If that continues to be the case then it should hit 9 hours easily.

I expect it may be because the iPad is using Qualcomm's new 28nm LTE parts, we'll find out with the teardowns soon enough.

As for more RAM, Mike Capps from Epic Games confirmed that it has 1GB of RAM. In his words, "higher resolution and more RAM than the XBox 360 or Playstation 3"


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By Sazabi19 on 3/7/2012 3:40:56 PM , Rating: 1
Would that resolution at that screen size even be noticed honestly? With that pixel density I just don't know if there will be a gain there that most people would notice or appreciate. I haven't seen it myself obviously, it's just at a certain point it doesn't exactly help. I'm no fan of Apple but even I liked the screen specs, but again, I don't know if it is noticable. I would like to see one and compare it with my transformer though.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 5:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
Certainly. If you've seen an iPhone 4 you'll know the difference. The main advantages are text that doesn't need anti-aliasing to be smooth and photos. Hands-on impressions say that it looks less like a screen and more like a glossy printed magazine page.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By xsilver on 3/7/2012 8:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
does apple own patents on screen production? Its interesting that it takes so long for android devices to get similar resolution specs and it will be interesting here to see when android tablets will get a similar resolution to this.


By DeluxeTea on 3/7/2012 10:12:50 PM , Rating: 2
There are a few Android phones out right now or about to come out that have 720p resolutions and ppi in the 300s. No tablets yet to match the iPad 3's resolution though, if I remember correctly.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 12:16:12 AM , Rating: 2
It is because they have a ton of cash and are guaranteed to sell through their inventory. They outlay billions on displays and flash memory in quantities that nobody else can. This corners the market on components and it drives down their wholesale prices. The result is higher quality components while also managing better profit margins.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By dasgetier on 3/7/2012 3:02:38 PM , Rating: 2
If I did not already own Android devices, I'd be very, VERY tempted by the new screen alone: Because I would highly appreciate the increased quality when viewing films and photos (!) and I also think that this will take web browsing on a mobile device to a new level!


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By AmbroseAthan on 3/7/2012 3:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
I am curious about the screen too, but I am also a little confused how it will handle video. At the PPI (264) its kind of a silly point, but it seems odd to have the screen a bit beyond 1080p such that at native resolution it would have black boxes around the whole thing without scaling the video.

The Asus Infinity will be 1920x1200 (224ppi). A 1080p video would still take up the full screen width at native resolution, and only black bars at the top and the bottom. To me this makes more sense, IMO.

Both approaches will still offer great images though.


By omnicronx on 3/7/2012 5:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
All iOS devices are either 3:2 (iPhone) or 4:3(iPad), so it will handle video the exact same way as every other iOS device..

Please also remember that 4:3/3:2 covers more area than a 16:9/16:10 screen of the same diagonal size.

That means a 1920x1200 16:10 Asus Infinity display (assuming its ~10") showing a 16:9 1080P video is really only showing around 8% more video in terms of area than the iPad. (which is not very much)

I actually prefer 4:3 over 16:9 with the tablet form factor, especially when using it in portrait mode..


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By nafhan on 3/7/2012 3:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
I think you'd have a very difficult time persuading the average consumer NOT to buy this if they're willing and ready to spend $500 on a tablet. There's a strong perception that Apple builds the best products at a given price point.
On the other hand, tell someone there's a product that meets their needs just as well for $300 less, and you'll at the very least have their attention.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 3:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On the other hand, tell someone there's a product that meets their needs just as well for $300 less, and you'll at the very least have their attention.


This is what's happening with the Kindle Fire. Make something inexpensive that can watch Netflix and that you can read books with and it'll sell. Everything else in that $250-$700 range is not so easy.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By mxnerd on 3/7/2012 3:40:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, no reason to buy IPad 3 just because of its high resolution and better camera.

I will wait Windows 8 Tablet PC with Office and pen support. Not going to buy any tablet without these.


By Iaiken on 3/7/2012 4:52:11 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot that you can develop applications for Windows 8 on the tablet itself and that they work with BT keyboards and mice.


By Omega215D on 3/7/2012 4:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't they do a review on the LTE Samsung Tab? They said the battery life was quite good IIRC.

Knowing Apple devices, it'll probably last quite a bit before needing a recharge.


By Mithan on 3/7/2012 7:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
I am buying one because after waiting 2 years for a high resolution Tablet that I want for Internet Browsing from my sofa/deck, this meets my needs and I am sick of waiting longer.

As for Windows 8, they don't exist today and wont for another 6 months, if then.


RE: Apple is still the leader, but...
By TSS on 3/8/2012 9:13:14 AM , Rating: 2
why to get one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFzJxGwqpOU

sorry couldn't resist sharing ^^


By BSMonitor on 3/8/2012 9:44:41 AM , Rating: 1
Weird. An Apple product Mick isn't impressed with....Weird.

Wonder if his head would explode if Apple started packaging AMD processors into iPads.

MicroSD? Really? Who has that crap? 4G and WiFi. Use the Cloud you "techie". Grow up.


Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By Magnus909 on 3/7/2012 3:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
What's all the fuzz about "Retina Display"?
With It's 264 ppi not even near the iphone 4/4s 326 ppi.
That one was marketed/hyped as a "retina display" (even though our eyes can perceive better resolution, not to talk about blackness levels, contrast and so on (like in superamoled+).

And I also wonder about what the final gpu scores will be when using that really high resolution. If they say it is 4 times faster than the android ones, would that be that much faster even at that resolution?




By kmmatney on 3/7/2012 3:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt games will use the native resolution, at least not right away. However, when you have pixels this small, scaling up from lower resolution works quite well.

What they really need to do is improve the scaling for iphone apps. The native scaling sucks, although I've improved y Jailbreaking and installing RetinaPad.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 3:42:11 PM , Rating: 2
You hold the ipad further away from your eyes, so it's a "retina" display, just like a 46" 1080p TV viewed from 10 feet away, you won't be able to make out the pixels.


By GuinnessKMF on 3/9/2012 6:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
Different people perceive at different "resolutions" Just because you can't tell the difference doesn't mean someone else can't. Not being able to see the individual pixels isn't the only thing, there is still an improvement in quality of the image as the pixels shrink after they've passed single pixel imperceptibility.

I just really hate this term because it's like saying "There's no point in making a higher pixel density display", and that pisses me off, this isn't the paramount, keep progressing, I really appreciate devices with as much pixel density as possible (so long as there aren't any screen door issues).

And as was also said, there are brightness, contrast, response time, and viewing angle concerns, the display isn't perfect as it seems to claim it is.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By testerguy on 3/8/2012 1:21:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What's all the fuzz about "Retina Display"? With It's 264 ppi not even near the iphone 4/4s 326 ppi. That one was marketed/hyped as a "retina display" (even though our eyes can perceive better resolution, not to talk about blackness levels, contrast and so on (like in superamoled+).


Retina is a term which takes into account typical distance that you hold the device from your eyes, and is the PPI at which a typical user wont be able to discern pixels from their typical viewing point. As the viewing point gets further away, the necessary PPI reduces. Since you hold a tablet further away, the PPI can be less whilst still being a 'retina' display. In terms of black levels and contrast typically Apple screens fare well against Super AMOLED, they trade blows in various measures (AMOLED struggles when viewed from an angle, for example, but achieves better blackness levels) - both end up being visibly excellent screens.

quote:
And I also wonder about what the final gpu scores will be when using that really high resolution. If they say it is 4 times faster than the android ones, would that be that much faster even at that resolution?


The question is, does it have to be faster, in terms of FPS? And the answer is no. Apps right now on the iPad are designed for the iPad or iPad 2 and so run at a 'pleasing' frame rate such as 60 FPS. The newer GPU, if say 4x faster, will mean that the same 60 FPS can be achieved whilst pushing far superior graphics at the far higher resolution. That's kind of the point. It isn't beneficial to increase the FPS beyond that 60 (which it is typically limited to by v-sync anyway).


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By bug77 on 3/8/2012 5:24:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Retina is a term which takes into account typical distance that you hold the device from your eyes


No, it doesn't.
The whole point of the "retina" was that you can't distinguish the pixels no matter how close you look at the screen. Otherwise, I've been using retina displays all my life, since I can't see the pixels on any LCD display at typical working distance. But hey, iSheeps go for the moniker, why not use it everywhere?


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By testerguy on 3/8/2012 8:15:13 AM , Rating: 2
Put quite simply - you are wrong.

Firstly - the distance is relevant. This is why Apple even said during the launch last night that the iPad 3 display is 'retina' because it is held further away.

Secondly - it's not about what you can see, but what typical people can see. If typical people using your LCD display at a typical distance can't distinguish pixels, then yes it is also a 'retina' display. Your personal sitting distance and eyesight are not relevant.

Thirdly - it is most definitely not intended to mean you can't see pixels no matter how close you get.

Read this, it may clear things up for you:

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display-macs...


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By bug77 on 3/8/2012 9:00:44 AM , Rating: 2
Here: http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/retina-dis...

Where does it say anything about distance? They even use magnifying glass to suggest pixels are indistinguishable. And they clearly say
quote:
This many pixels packed this close together — 326 per inch — make graphics and text look smooth and continuous at any size .


They may have said otherwise yesterday, but I was talking about the initial definition. Changing the definition on the fly is a smelly thing to do.
But yes, I know, for the iSheep, "retina display" is just a display coming from Apple.


By testerguy on 3/8/2012 11:14:28 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing in that link you posted opposes anything I said, or changes the reality of what Retina display means, to both Apple and scientists.

Apple aren't going to go into the scientific side of how you work out what people can distinguish and what they can't on a sales website.

The magnifying glass is just a way of zooming in and showing the quality, it is not interchangeable with them claiming anything about the pixels being indistinguishable at any distance.

The definition has always been about standard scientific calculations, the 300+ DPI figure was calculated with reference to the distance a typical user holds an iPhone, as the article I linked to clearly explains.


By testerguy on 3/8/2012 11:24:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And they clearly say quote: This many pixels packed this close together — 326 per inch — make graphics and text look smooth and continuous at any size .


By the way, 'any size' is not the same thing as 'any distance'.

They said 'any size' because they meant that any size of graphics displayed on the iPhone screen would not have visible pixels at the typical viewing distance.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By nafhan on 3/8/2012 9:08:40 AM , Rating: 1
For a display to be a "retina" display you have to take into account angular resolving power of the average human eye (.6 arcminutes for 20/20), the pixel density of the display, and the distance of the display from the eye. Rather than write up the details, here's an astronomers description and calculations for what it means to be a "retina display":
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/201...

TL;DR: Distance is key, and any display could potentially be a retina display.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By bug77 on 3/8/2012 9:50:52 AM , Rating: 2
There's one more thing. There's a minimum distance at which the human eye can focus. Apple's original definition of "retina display" was that you couldn't distinguish the pixels because they're so close together, they're indistinguishable at the minimum focusing distance. This requires a pixel density of about 300ppi.
Now, they couldn't claim the same for the new iPad, so they just bent the definition instead. But by bending the definition, everything can qualify as a "retina display", so the designation looses its meaning, imho.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By testerguy on 3/8/2012 11:18:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
There's one more thing. There's a minimum distance at which the human eye can focus. Apple's original definition of "retina display" was that you couldn't distinguish the pixels because they're so close together, they're indistinguishable at the minimum focusing distance . This requires a pixel density of about 300ppi. Now, they couldn't claim the same for the new iPad, so they just bent the definition instead. But by bending the definition, everything can qualify as a "retina display", so the designation looses its meaning, imho.


The bold part is just complete nonsense, it's a claim that Apple never made.

Everyone else reading this knows what retina means and that distance is relevant, indeed other people have tried to explain this to you, with scientific evidence and links, yet you still deny it.

quote:
But by bending the definition, everything can qualify as a "retina display"


Just because you don't understand what it means, doesn't mean everything qualifies. It still has a meaning. It means that a typical person, using the device from a typical system, can't distinguish the pixels. Not 'everything' can qualify as that.


By testerguy on 3/8/2012 11:21:52 AM , Rating: 2
Using the device from a typical distance*

Sorry, typo.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By bug77 on 3/8/2012 4:04:08 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, now let me see you contradict the man himself:

quote:
“It turns out there’s a magic number right around 300 pixels per inch, that when you hold something around to 10 to 12 inches away from your eyes, is the limit of the human retina to differentiate the pixels,” Jobs said.


With a link, so you won't claim I pulled that from where the sun don't shine: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/iphone-4-re...

It seems to me he pegged the limit squarely at 300ppi at 10-12inches (ok, sorry, it wasn't the minimum focusing distance). Of course, we should probably be greatful he didn't patent the limit as well.


RE: Retina display with just 264 ppi?
By testerguy on 3/9/2012 7:44:27 AM , Rating: 2
Have you not realised that the quote you posted from Steve Jobs proves exactly what we've been telling you all along?

quote:
quote: “It turns out there’s a magic number right around 300 pixels per inch, that when you hold something around to 10 to 12 inches away from your eyes , is the limit of the human retina to differentiate the pixels,” Jobs said.


The part in bold is the part you've been completely oblivious to. Why did they select 10-12 inches? Because that's how far away typical users hold their phones from their eyes. Why is the number different for tablets? Because people hold tablets further away.

So, as we've been saying all along, and as you just proved - distance is relevant.


By bug77 on 3/9/2012 9:02:02 AM , Rating: 2
Ok, I'm enjoying this.

Everything in that quote is absolute numbers. Where do "typical" and "phone" come in? What Jobs said is that a screen held at 10-12 inches qualifies as a retina when the human retina can't distinguish the pixels.

I can't distinguish pixels when going to the movies even if I sit the front row. Do those qualify as retina as well? Or we have to wait for Apple to start making them and only after that can we call it retina?

What I'm saying is that if you start varying the density based on typical viewing distance, then retina has been out there for ages so Apple is full of it trying to take credit for it. Otherwise, Apple is full of it for trying to change the initial definition.


By nafhan on 3/8/2012 3:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
"Retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple; it can mean whatever they want it to mean. At this point, they're using it to mean you can't distinguish pixels at the distance the display is normally viewed (very reasonable, IMO). I was under the impression it's been used that way since the 4S came out...

Anyway, if you're worried about technical merits of the display, avoid marketing terms and stick to technical terms with well defined meanings like DPI, etc. Those numbers ARE available, which kind of renders this whole discussion (retina vs not-retina) a bit pointless.


Thanks OP, in 4 one.
By vanionBB on 3/7/2012 1:57:31 PM , Rating: 2
I like what they did here. I wish it had haptics, but haptics is a gimmick anyway. Thanks OP!




RE: Thanks OP, in 4 one.
By MrBlastman on 3/7/2012 2:02:37 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I wish it had value, but Apple is a gimmick anyway.


Well said!


RE: Thanks OP, in 4 one.
By Arsynic on 3/7/2012 2:02:12 PM , Rating: 1
Diminishing returns...now at a new higher price! Watch the iTards line up around the block for it though, justifying the high ass prices.


Nice features, but...
By wallijonn on 3/7/2012 6:09:29 PM , Rating: 2
How come it doesn't have an HD Radio tuner and an OTA HD TV tuner? Come on, no AM/FM radio?, no HD Radio?, no TV?




RE: Nice features, but...
By fcx56 on 3/7/2012 6:50:53 PM , Rating: 2
Internet radio.
Streaming video.
Done.


RE: Nice features, but...
By corduroygt on 3/7/2012 8:29:39 PM , Rating: 2
What if I don't want to use up my 3G connection?

A better answer would be the ipod nano.


RE: Nice features, but...
By bug77 on 3/8/2012 5:27:02 AM , Rating: 2
Data cap.
Done.


Astroturfing?
By Solandri on 3/8/2012 1:46:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm usually pretty skeptical about claims of astroturfing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

But 20% of the comments on this article are by TakinYourPoints (22/112). And they're not short replies - most of them are multi-paragraph with links.




RE: Astroturfing?
By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 7:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, just wasting time facepalming at the usual DT FUD. :)


RE: Astroturfing?
By TakinYourPoints on 3/8/2012 7:33:17 PM , Rating: 2
But thanks for the cold reminder that I did in fact waste my time responding to many stupid posts yesterday, much appreciated.


RE: Astroturfing?
By testerguy on 3/9/2012 7:47:55 AM , Rating: 2
I was pretty 'skeptical' about claims of irrelevant comments made by people who can't spell 'sceptical' who believe that proving how many comments someone makes in anyway disproves anything they say.

But then I read your post.


The sad part of this ...
By christojojo on 3/7/2012 3:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
That a few local news stations emailed me and interrupted the regularly scheduled programs to tell me about this.

Seriously I have an Apple product it is okay it does what it is supposed to do. Calendar, games, email, quick reading and browsing the internet. A new product is Gadget news not interrupting everything like no one knew what was going to happen news.




RE: The sad part of this ...
By ShaolinSoccer on 3/7/2012 5:13:56 PM , Rating: 2
Sad isn't it? While people like Joseph Kony are on the loose...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc&feature...


By TakinYourPoints on 3/7/2012 11:51:21 PM , Rating: 2
Haha, you call people sheep and then you go ahead and post flavor-of-the-month activism that everyone and their mom has posting on Facebook since yesterday, hilarious.

http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/18920717928/thed...

Hey, remember when people changed their Facebook profile photos to cartoon characters last year and it stopped child abuse? Man that was awesome.


wait wait wait
By invidious on 3/7/2012 2:00:25 PM , Rating: 3
Did I just read this whole thing without seeing the word magical?




RE: wait wait wait
By TSS on 3/8/2012 9:12:20 AM , Rating: 2
Steve jobs is gone man... let it go....


heavier
By zephyrprime on 3/7/2012 5:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm disappointed that it's heavier. I guess it's because of the fancy new screen. Those of you with tablets will know that portability is of the essence for one of these machines.




RE: heavier
By Dorkyman on 3/8/2012 9:42:12 AM , Rating: 2
Bigger battery. I assume that explains the weight increase.


It's not all about specs
By zlandar on 3/7/2012 2:46:52 PM , Rating: 2
Parental control is a big deal for me and probably alot of other parents. There is alot of flexibility in setting up parental control on iOS products.

I have a Touchpad and there is zero parental control. It also has ICS 4.0 via cyanogenmod and I do not see any parental control features either.




Can this run Windows 8?
By tayb on 3/7/2012 2:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone know? This thing has a plenty of power especially in the GPU. Does anyone know if it would be possible to install Windows 8?

I'm still rocking the original iPad and until they actually update the OS I'm not upgrading. iOS 5.01 runs perfectly fine. If it can run Windows 8 that would be a completely different story.




IPad Modern Warfare 8
By Lochness22 on 3/7/2012 5:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
Even Activision thinks this is too soon.




Tablet Market
By themaster08 on 3/8/2012 4:50:49 AM , Rating: 2
With the annual iterative release of the iPad around this time every year, it may give Microsoft an advantage for its release of Windows 8.

This version of the iPad will have been out for many months. The hype for the next iPad will begin, the competitiors' technologies will have long surpassed that of the iPad 3, and that might just give Microsoft the edge, and take some of the limelight and hype away.

Companies like Samsung will be the first to jump on the Windows 8 bandwagon. Many of their technologies are in the iPad 3. Samsung will only take it one step further with their own Galaxy Tab.

I would imagine that Microsoft's marketing campaign will be aggressive. They already own the enterprise market. The Application Store will skyrocket, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if it surpassed the iOS app count within 6 months.

It is a fully fledged OS, so it is compatible with all previous software. It is expandable and flexible. It runs buttery smooth. It's a change from the standard menu-based operating system.




textbooks
By zephyrprime on 3/8/2012 12:15:59 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody is mentioning this but I expect textbooks to become a big market for the new ipad. I had an ipad 1 and I can tell you that the resolution was inadequate for reading. With the new retina display, that totally changes.




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