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The iPod nano is now available in what Apple calls "nano-chromatic" colors

The 2G iPod touch now features a slimmer, more rounded body with integrated volume controls and a built-in speaker.
Several other important announcements were made at the event

Apple and Steve Jobs have wrapped up the event held today for press; as expected new iPods were the topic of the day. Apple revealed several updated iPods and made a few other significant announcements.

Two of the iPods in the Apple line were significantly updated -- the iPod Nano and the iPod touch. The new nano looks exactly as the images that have been leaked over the last few weeks showed. The 4G nano will be available in 8GB or 16GB capacities for $149 and $199 respectively. As expected Apple abandoned the much maligned short, fat 3G nano and went back to the tall, thin look of the original nano.

The 4G device has a design that is rounded at the edges and is billed as the thinnest iPod ever. The enclosure is made from curved aluminum and it features glass over the LCD. The new nano fully supports iTunes 8 including the new Genius feature and now has an accelerometer. The 4G nano will be available in silver, blue, purple, green, orange, yellow, pink, red and black and is available now for purchase.

The iPod touch was also significantly updated with a new, thin contoured metal case and the same 3.5-inch widescreen LCD. Wi-Fi connectivity is via 802.11b/g and the device now has integrated volume control buttons and a built-in speaker.

The 8GB iPod touch will now retail for $229 and can play games. Apple is positioning the iPod touch as a major portable gaming platform. The iPod touch also now features built-in Nike+ connectivity. The iPod touch is also available in a 16GB version for $299 and a 32GB version retails for $399.

One major announcement at the press event was that NBC has come back to iTunes meaning that NBC TV programs will be available to purchase in SD and HD resolutions at $1.99 and $2.99 per episode respectively. NBC and Apple parted ways after NBC wanted a cut of iPod revenue.

NBC Universal President and CEO Jeff Zucker said in a statement, "The return of our shows to iTunes is terrific news for everyone who loves television and the ease and convenience of Apple’s iTunes. And now, by offering consumers a variety of new options, our fans have even more ways to enjoy our content."

NBC is also going to be offering the premier episodes of their new shows Knight Rider, My Own Worst Enemy, and Kath & Kim a week before the programs premier on TV. Perhaps the most interesting tidbit is that NBC will be offering vintage programs via iTunes for $.99 per episode. Programs include The A-Team, The Alfred Hitchcock Hour, Miami Vice, Kojak, and the original Battlestar Galactica.

Apple announced iTunes 8 that will offer a new feature called Genius. The feature allows you to select any song in your library and get a playlist of songs that go together created from your personal library. The feature does require anonymous information about your music library to be sent to Apple to function. The new iTunes 8 will be offered as a free download. Software update 2.1 for the iPhone is also coming soon as a free download introducing bug fixes and other improvements.

The final announcement from Apple was that App Store downloads have topped 100 million worldwide. Right now, Apple says there are over 3000 applications in the store with over 600 of them free. Apple says 90% of the applications are priced at under $10. Apple announced in August 2008 that it had sold $30 million in App Store applications in the first month the store was open.

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oh dear god no
By PointlesS on 9/9/2008 3:29:41 PM , Rating: 4
"and a built-in speaker." everyone in the immediate area has to be subjected to the crap that's on that person's ipod because they feel that everyone must know what song they're listening to...

RE: oh dear god no
By Master Kenobi on 9/9/2008 3:47:49 PM , Rating: 4
At the volume they currently use on the earbuds, anyone within 5-10 feet can hear pretty clearly what is playing.

RE: oh dear god no
By PointlesS on 9/9/2008 4:18:27 PM , Rating: 2
yeah but now they can't get ear damage from it

RE: oh dear god no
By amanojaku on 9/9/2008 4:39:32 PM , Rating: 2
Give 'em brain damage. That's a good trade off. I hate being able to hear people's music through their headphones, no matter what they're connected to.

RE: oh dear god no
By Arribajuan on 9/9/2008 6:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
They get it!

I get to see several daily on the bus.

RE: oh dear god no
By daftrok on 9/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: oh dear god no
By fordguy67 on 9/9/2008 9:33:20 PM , Rating: 2
I feel like I am the only person in the world that hasn't bought an iPod...

RE: oh dear god no
By Chimpie on 9/10/2008 3:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
You're not.

RE: oh dear god no
By QueBert on 9/9/2008 9:38:52 PM , Rating: 4
better product? that's subjective, I find my Touch to be better than ANYTHING out there, price well you get what you pay for. A 32 gig Zen is in fact cheaper than a 32 gig ipod Touch, but you get a lot less for your money too. Smaller screen? Check, less features? Check. Get back to me when Archos or Creative release a mp3 device I can play NES games on, oh and play new games that are riding up on PSP quality.

And I won't even get into how I can't go to any store and get accessories for either unit you linked to. iPod's have a billion accessories you can buy, that also makes them a better deal. I'd love for you to find me docks built for a Zen or a Archos, oh wait... you can't!

but you're right, both are cheaper. Hell if you're going to use them as examples why not use the Sandisk ones? They're cheaper than either you mentioned. Who cares they don't have as many features as the Zen? The Zen doesn't have as many features as the Apple stuff you claim they're so much better than. You know what I think Coby makes a 32gb unit that's 1/2 the price of the Zen. By your logic cheaper is better obviously, because neither you linked to do ANYTHING better than a Touch.

32 gig Zen is what $250? the 32gtb Touch is 299 now and overall is a MUCH better value, the 1" of extra screen alone is worth the $50 difference.

you fail at hating on Apple bro...

RE: oh dear god no
By QueBert on 9/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: oh dear god no
By ImSpartacus on 9/10/2008 6:38:12 AM , Rating: 2
But the 8GB Touch is only $229. Frankly, If I wasn't so scared something better would come out in a year (and so unsure about that speaker...) than I would snag one. I don't need 32GB of storage, I have never used more than 2GB on my old 2nd gen nano.

I'm really psyched for 2009's Zune redesign. I can survive until then.

RE: oh dear god no
By Bigjee on 9/9/2008 10:49:38 PM , Rating: 1
Touch to be better than ANYTHING out there, price well you get what you pay for......

IMO a mp3 player's primary use is playing songs and if you think that the ipod Touch is better at it than ANYTHING out there; well I kinda feel sorry for you. But hey each to their own i guess. I just think that the Touch is beaten by several mp3 players as far as listening to mp3's is concerned. I had the ipod touch for 2 weeks and decided to return it since the sound quality was below par for me.

RE: oh dear god no
By Hoser McMoose on 9/11/2008 12:29:53 AM , Rating: 2
I've got an iPod Touch 8GB, and it's a wonderful toy.... but Bigjee is right, it's definitely NOT a great MUSIC PLAYER.

I have no complaints about sound quality, with well encoded songs it sounds quite good. However it's a pain in the butt to use if you're doing much of anything other than just sitting on the couch, and lets face it, if I'm doing that I'd prefer to listen to music on my stereo system.

This is definitely NOT a good choice if you want something to play music while your out biking or working out or anything like that!

RE: oh dear god no
By daftrok on 9/10/2008 1:02:18 AM , Rating: 1
Ok seriously, when there are two links, CLICK THEM BOTH. The Creative ZEN competes with the Nano and NOT the iPod Touch. The Archos 5 competes with he iPod Touch and passes with flying colors. Archos 7 is in a league of its own. I'll post it again:

The obvious advantages the Archos has over the iTouch are:
1) Screen size: 3.5" vs 4.8"
2) Resolution: 480x320 vs 800x480
3) Capacity: 8GB,16GB,32GB vs 60GB,120GB,250GB
4) Video formats (i'll give you a hint: Archos supports more)

Both have touchscreen, though iPod has better multi touch. Both have b/g wireless but Archos has full flash support along with WebTV/Web Radio and if you buy a DVR dock can record and playback TV ON your TV. So in essence, Archos 5 obliterates the iPod Touch in functionality and storage. And with its new design makes it alot prettier than its previous generation models. And to top it all off, the 60GB model costs $350 bucks. The previous models are going for hella cheap too (Archos 605 30GB for $225 bucks).

RE: oh dear god no
By QueBert on 9/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: oh dear god no
By StevoLincolnite on 9/10/2008 2:56:56 AM , Rating: 2
My Laptop handles all, Whack it in the backpack, chuck the headphones on, and I have 250gb of storage, plus a larger screen, better sound quality, Much larger screen, and much better image quality, Plus I can do whatever an iPod can do and much more, I even have a Solar Panel to charge the machine while I am at a Cafe even.

What makes me laugh is how everyone is claiming there portable media player is "HD" Heck, I doubt you would notice much difference between 640x480 and 1600x1200 video on an iPod or a Zen of any kind.

RE: oh dear god no
By QueBert on 9/10/2008 5:31:03 AM , Rating: 1
the screens on some of the portable mp3 players are amazing, the small size + high resolution (for the size) is a winner. The Zen's looks pretty good, the Archos is nice. I would actually say the Archos's IQ is better than just about any Laptop out there, it has crazy resolution for a screen that's under 5 inches. My Touch has a much higher DPI than a PC/laptop monitor so I'd say it's going to look better than any non portable screen out there. The sharpness is incredible, of course it's 3.5" so there's less detail.

Laptops are great but aren't pocket portable, unless u get an ultra portable, which will cost you $$$$$$$. The Touch is the best medium between having a laptop and having an MP3 player.

RE: oh dear god no
By Pirks on 9/11/2008 12:59:54 AM , Rating: 2
unless u get an ultra portable, which will cost you $$$$$$$
Yeah, like there are no $400 or so netbooks like Asus EEE and many others. Sh1t, do you really call $400 an "$$$$$$$$$$"??! Get that Apple brainwash outta your head bro :P

RE: oh dear god no
By djc208 on 9/10/2008 7:37:53 AM , Rating: 3
Um, again look over the site linked. The Archos can operate as a GPS, A mini camcorder, a DVR, and they do offer games. So no it may not do everything your touch can do, but your touch can't do a lot of stuff that most other MP3/Video players can, including something as simple as supporting video and audio formats that haven't been passed through iTunes, or any form of memory card expansion. Can you wirelessly sync your music like a Zune yet?

Apple has never been known for having more features, just a slicker product. You'll probably never see an FM reciever or audio recording capabilities in an iPod but just about every competitor offers them. Sure it may not be a vital feature but it's still a feature just about everyone else has.

RE: oh dear god no
By robinthakur on 9/10/2008 6:06:36 AM , Rating: 2
Archos and Creative (and to a lesser extent Microsoft) will never be that successful at taking a chunk out of Apple's market. The reason sadly lies in marketing mainly and public perception. Nobody wants a 'non-union mexican equivalent' when they can have what's popular/sold-out and regarded as great by all their friends, the media etc.

Archos, iRiver (I see what you did there...) and to a lesser extent Creative (as they were there before the iPod, they just didn't fully take the concept to where Apple did) feed a very niche market which wants a mp3 player which has very highly customisable options, objects to iTunes exclusive usage model, probably has something against Apple and doesn't really care what the device looks like (did you actually look at the Archos device? Its very ugly to anyone that ever owned an iPod) or any 'cool' factor which Apple have cleverly noticed music attracts and has tagged onto, not to mention availability of accessories.

Now the MP3 player market is mainstream. It became mainstream largely because of iTunes and iPod and the fact that their simple delivery model made it possible and simple for the general public to actually pay for downloaded music. Bottom line is that these alternative players will never be massively popular devices because they are excluded from iTunes and their design looks awful and amateurish, like a Walkman from the '80's without the icon status. Add in the fact that Apple is the most widely respected brand out there and for most people its a no brainer (I'll give you a hint: its not the Archos or Creative)

However since as you say, the Archos 5 obliterates the iPod Touch on storage and functionality its gonna sell way more eh? Its bound to surely?

RE: oh dear god no
By daftrok on 9/10/2008 6:16:59 PM , Rating: 2
I never said anything about sales. All I'm saying is that there are better options out there but because of Apple's marketing hold on the dimwit masses people either don't know and/or don't care that there are better products out there for alot cheaper. And the Archos 5 looks a hellova lot better than previous generations. Does it rival Apple products? Probably not to that extent, but its far from ugly. The same goes for the Creative ZEN and more so for the Creative ZEN X-Fi:

RE: oh dear god no
By robinthakur on 9/11/2008 4:37:05 AM , Rating: 2
Well, without wishing to buy into Apple's marketing spiel too much, when you buy the iPod you buy into iTunes as well, and the two are the killer combo. Before iTunes came along, using an old iPod on a pc was a tortuous process using Music Match Jukebox with no online purchase and very few features. The reason being that despite the masses being dumb and ill-informed, the purchasing mechanism on itunes is so simple, the iPod controls are simplicity itself and if it proves nothing else the general public like simple to operate products. Some people forget that at the end of the day people buy mp3 players for the content which should be easy to use. They aren't that bothered about the fidelity of it (DVD-Audio proved that) as long as it sounds similar to CD. This is the difference between a product being seen as niche and being mainstream.

Apple don't have a monopoly on marketing and any other company can establish a brand in the same way, though Apple's current status has been hard won over the last several years. It speaks volumes that Archos et al have not tried designing a decent looking player to rival the iPod as I'm sure they would see the benefits in terms of sales. Note: not copy Apple's designs badly but actually pay for some decent design. People like shiny curvy futuristic gadgets, they don't like gray anonymous bricks, or even apple clones (The creative product you linked looks like a cheap far-east knockoff of an iPhone/touch with more buttons, which is basically what it is, like the Samsung Omnia, a pretty decent looking iClone crippled by Windows Mobile 6.1) no matter how highly specced or cheap they are. People reason that if its cheap, that's not surprising because it looks cheap, and if its highly specced that instantly cuts out most of the market who see the features as either unnecessary or are too dumb to understand how to use them. I'm not knocking it as a player, I'm sure they are very good, I'm just saying that I probably would never consider buying one, and as I am most likely their target market (likes shiny gadgets, high disposable income, no wife), so they are doing something wrong.

I'd never buy another Creative product...ever. Brand loyalty is a funny thing, and its rare that a brand, however vilified in some sections (i.e. online at Dailytech) hasn't done something to deserve the loyalty of their customers for Apple, or their ire in Creative's case. Note how different those two brands are in how they are perceived by the public, and you can see why Apple is winning.

RE: oh dear god no
By Pirks on 9/11/2008 11:42:25 AM , Rating: 1
their target market likes shiny gadgets, has no wife
So Apple's target market are people who make love to gadgets instead of women? Jeez :) That was harsh, robin.

RE: oh dear god no
By robinthakur on 9/12/2008 5:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
Their target market is anyone who is not immediately put off the design by the high price, i.e. probably not families on a budget. Also, I don't make love to women or gadgets thank you very much lol.

RE: oh dear god no
By Dreifort on 9/10/2008 1:29:01 PM , Rating: 2
you fail just for using the word 'bro'

RE: oh dear god no
By someguy743 on 9/12/2008 9:51:42 AM , Rating: 2
I probably would have bought an iPod nano, but I wasn't sure if I'd use an mp3 player all that much. Instead, I got a Sandisk Sansa Fuze. It's a pretty good mp3 player for the price. If you really like mp3 players you can add more memory to the Sansa Fuze. It has all the features you need. The pain in the butt part is learning how to use Windows Media Player and all that.

The other thing to consider about mp3 players is the costs of the damn accessories. It's like with laser printers where they get you on the costs of the cartridges. You have to get some sort of protector for it for when you exercise or you can scratch or break it if you aren't careful.

You better make sure you get one that gets good reliablity ratings from the online reviewers. These things could break in a few months if you buy the wrong one. People say some of them freeze on you a lot. You'll really be ticked off if you get an expensive iPod and its messed up in 6 months. That's the main reason I went with the Sansa Fuze.

If Apple comes out with an iPod with more bang for the buck, I might consider it in the future. Apple has a fairly good reputation for quality and reliability but it isn't the only game in town for mp3s anymore. Competition eventually matches their products.

RE: oh dear god no
By oab on 9/10/2008 12:26:09 AM , Rating: 4
I own an 8gb Zen.

It's not as good as the iPod I had before it.

Synchronization, UI, and that automatically pause the player when headphones are unplugged feature are all missing or not as good (the UI is especially clunky, why do my podcasts get put into my music directory listing, and why does the zencast selection in videos only show videos, but have no cooresponding selection in music?)

The only thing it has over the iPod is the FM radio and price.

RE: oh dear god no
By teng029 on 9/10/2008 1:19:19 AM , Rating: 2
if you don't like it, then don't buy it. last i checked no one was holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy an ipod.

RE: oh dear god no
By michael2k on 9/10/2008 10:29:59 AM , Rating: 5
Do you also think people are idiotically buying Windows when there are better products out there?

RE: oh dear god no
By iheartzoloft on 9/11/2008 2:44:00 PM , Rating: 2
in short, absolutely!

RE: oh dear god no
By uhgotnegum on 9/9/2008 4:15:56 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, I got the impression that the speaker was less for listening to your music and more for that *ping* and *boing* and *neuk wah wah* that all those games know, seeing as how the Touch is, to paraphrase, "the best handheld gaming product on the market."

Not that listening to old-school nintendo-esque sound effects is better, but...

RE: oh dear god no
By FITCamaro on 9/9/2008 5:15:51 PM , Rating: 2
Just wait until you get on a plane and get to watch the guy next to you masturbate under his sweater to the porn he's watching over the internet.

RE: oh dear god no
By rudolphna on 9/9/2008 8:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
Dear god......... lol

RE: oh dear god no
By EntreHoras on 9/9/2008 11:43:55 PM , Rating: 2
AGGG ohh GOD!!
That image is hurting my brain!!
Where is the memory eraser from the Men in Black when you need it??!!

RE: oh dear god no
By Polynikes on 9/9/2008 6:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
I can only imagine how great the sound quality will be on such a speaker. So not only do we get to hear peoples' random music, we get to hear it coming from a tinny little crap speaker.

RE: oh dear god no
By Domicinator on 9/9/2008 10:02:22 PM , Rating: 2
It's not that they'll want you to hear what they're listening to necessarily, it's that they'll want you to look over and notice that they're using the newest iPod. That's what Apple products are all about.

RE: oh dear god no
By hlper on 9/10/2008 2:39:27 PM , Rating: 2
Did anyone else happen to catch the part where Steve Jobs said that the speaker basically sucks? It's worth listening to his presentation of the Touch just for that bit. I don't think that was what I was supposed to get out of what he was saying, but he essentially said the quality of the speaker was poor.

where's GPS?
By michaelklachko on 9/9/2008 4:26:39 PM , Rating: 2
The only reason I'd ever consider buying iPod Touch is GPS. Oh well.

RE: where's GPS?
By helios220 on 9/9/2008 4:54:41 PM , Rating: 5
GPS expected on smart phones, sure why not. But now GPS is expected on MP3 players? Sure the iPod touch bills itself as more than an MP3 player, but it still bares the iPod moniker because it is a music device at heart.

Would GPS broaden the appeal of the device; sure I suppose I'm certainly not against new features. I just would never really expect to hear myself say 'oh my gawdz I'm lost, let me bust out mah walkman'. GPS is making its way into so many devices that many users already have an equipped device if they need it, I don't quite *yet* see the need for it to work its way into every device to the extent that my toaster is giving tips on avoiding congestion on I-95.

RE: where's GPS?
By FITCamaro on 9/9/2008 5:13:02 PM , Rating: 2
When I was driving 150 miles a day I'd rather have had the radio station play a f*ing traffic report that wasn't an hour old. And played them more than once every 30 minutes.

Was the only useful thing on satellite radio when I had it for 3 months free after buying my car.

RE: where's GPS?
By Master Kenobi on 9/9/2008 6:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
Here in the DC area we get a traffic report on the radio every 10 minutes. Quite handy infact.

RE: where's GPS?
By michael2k on 9/9/2008 7:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone has a nice feature (where supported by Google) that displays realtime traffic in the maps app.

No GPS necessary, though I'm sure it makes it nicer.

RE: where's GPS?
By Tamale on 9/11/2008 8:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
that's not an iphone feature, that's a google maps feature. any smart phone with internet access can get google's traffic reports..

RE: where's GPS?
By michaelklachko on 9/9/2008 5:45:51 PM , Rating: 3
If I needed a mp3 player I'd buy either iPod Nano (much smaller), or iPod Classic (much more capacity).
But if you put a 3.5" touch screen on a "mp3 player", the two basic features, (and two main selling points) of such a "device" should be web browsing and GPS navigation.
Frankly, I'd buy it even if it didn't play music.

RE: where's GPS?
By kelmon on 9/10/2008 6:29:13 AM , Rating: 2
Let's be fair here, even GPS devices seem to play music and video these days so the line between these things is being blurred from both directions. As long as the device does what I bought it for well then anything else that it does well is a bonus not to be sniffed at.

RE: where's GPS?
By UNCjigga on 9/9/2008 6:00:48 PM , Rating: 3
Some people actually listen to their ipods in the car--crazy, eh? Gee, all I would need is a simple mount, cigarette adapter with a dock connector (and line out cable to my car's auxiliary port) and I can listen to songs AND get directions! Apple fan or not, anyone can appreciate a large, 3.5" screen for nav. Sure, you'll lose 3-4GB for map data, but that's a small tradeoff.

The Nike+ipod integration built-in is just STUPID. Instead of putting in a useless receiver that only works with certain shoes, Apple could've added a real GPS receiver and given you the same running functionality, REGARDLESS of your shoes. Hell, charge extra for the software. Of course, Nike paid a pretty penny for the marketing gimmick.

Canucks Shafted By Apple Again
By mmntech on 9/9/2008 4:29:11 PM , Rating: 2
I'm curious as to why the new touch is $229 in the US but the Apple Store is selling it for $259 in Canada. That's $30 more. Obviously Apple still hasn't gotten the message about Canada's stronger dollar. Of course I could just order it in the US but then pay a fortune in shipping which cancels out the savings. I like Apple's stuff but we're getting shafted royally on prices up here.

By Trippytiger on 9/9/2008 5:28:07 PM , Rating: 2
Best Buy and Future Shop typically charge US prices for Apple products. They aren't listing the new stuff yet, but I'm sure they'll continue that policy.

RE: Canucks Shafted By Apple Again
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 7:56:18 PM , Rating: 1
Get used to be screwed in Soviet Canada.

You can also look at exorbitant car prices here in Canada, compare them to much lower prices for the same cars in the US, and say thanks to f#cking commie government in Ottawa that loves grabbing insane taxes and give Canadians NOTHING in return.

RE: Canucks Shafted By Apple Again
By comc49 on 9/10/2008 12:17:34 AM , Rating: 2
wtf are you whinning about? in Europe electronics are almost twice as expensive as in U.S.

RE: Canucks Shafted By Apple Again
By coldpower27 on 9/10/2008 12:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
Were at 1US is 1.07 CND so the pricing on the new Apple products is about inline with what you expect.

The premium isn't massive, but yeah electronics feel in general more costly in Canada then in the U.S.

RE: Canucks Shafted By Apple Again
By Pirks on 9/11/2008 12:56:19 AM , Rating: 2
electronics feel in general more costly in Canada then in the U.S.
Not only electronics, cars too. Pretty much everything is more expensive in Soviet Canada. Even healthcare! Don't listen to stupid Canadian commies selling you BS about "free healthcare" in Canada, I've been in private clinics in Vancouver and it's waaaaaaaay far from free, and the private clinics are often the only place where you can get service without several months of waiting list "treatment".

120GB max iPod Classic
By Segerstein on 9/9/2008 3:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
Apple offers now instead of 80GB/160GB iPods only a 120GB version.

Way to go, Apple!!!

I'm glad that I bought my 160GB last September :-)

RE: 120GB max iPod Classic
By Circle T on 9/9/2008 3:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
My guess is, much like it was with the 4GB iPhone when they first came out, there probably just wasn't many people buying the 160GB model, so it needed to go.

I, as well, bought a 160GB last fall, and was hoping for a larger model today. I have all my music in lossless, and over 375 full albums, so I'm almost full on my 160GB. I was hoping maybe they would introduce a 250GB. But, oh well.

RE: 120GB max iPod Classic
By UNCjigga on 9/9/2008 6:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
I have a $100 for the first person who can mod me an iPod touch 2G with a 120GB hdd and extended battery. Any takers? :)

By bravacentauri83 on 9/9/2008 3:56:33 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Just when I thought it was safe to convert my library to 320kbps VBR.

RE: 120GB max iPod Classic
By Missing Ghost on 9/9/2008 11:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
But my 160 is full! It's too long to select the songs I want, I prefer to just transfer everything. I want a 250GB version now!

Nike+ on an iPhone? Nope.
By Cygni on 9/9/2008 3:57:13 PM , Rating: 1
Gizmodo just confirmed that the Nike+ app isnt coming to the iPhone at all... not even with the receiver attachment. That is seriously effin ridiculous. Do they REALLY think that someone who is spending oodles on the iPhone is going to spend $300 for an iPod Touch, when its basically the exact same device, only gimped? What the shit, Apple?

RE: Nike+ on an iPhone? Nope.
By amanojaku on 9/9/2008 5:00:02 PM , Rating: 4
I doubt anyone cares. It's not like people buy an iPhone or an iPod for the Nike+ app. That's like buying a DVD player because it includes a clock.

RE: Nike+ on an iPhone? Nope.
By Cygni on 9/9/2008 6:14:54 PM , Rating: 2
Neat that you really have no idea what you are talking about. Nike+ is one of the major reasons that many of my friends even own an iPod Nano in the first place (most of them picked up off eBay when it became clear that the Nike+ Bracelet was junk). Alot of us have iPhones too, and weve all been waiting for the day that we wouldnt have to carry around a stack of Apple products everywhere.

Just because you are a lazy heap doesnt mean that all nerds are too... just most of us.

RE: Nike+ on an iPhone? Nope.
By icanhascpu on 9/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Nike+ on an iPhone? Nope.
By Cygni on 9/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Nike+ on an iPhone? Nope.
By amanojaku on 9/9/2008 9:25:51 PM , Rating: 3
I don't get it. I don't want/need Nike+, so that makes me a lazy heap? I suppose it never occurred to you that I have other methods of measuring my exercising efforts? Of course not, because people never exercised before Nike+!

By itserix on 9/9/2008 3:36:26 PM , Rating: 3
no news on the new macbook? :(

RE: macbook
By silversound on 9/9/2008 5:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
Will be out soon before December FOR SURE, stay tuned...

ipod touch 16GB -> 32gb
By spazmedia on 9/9/2008 7:42:38 PM , Rating: 2
How come it costs 100$ more to buy the 32GB touch over the 16GB when you can buy a 16GB flash drive for less than 50$... This is pretty cheap on Apple's part.

RE: ipod touch 16GB -> 32gb
By michael2k on 9/9/2008 7:59:30 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe it's the screen, the OS, the wifi chipset, the CPU, the GPU, the speakers, and the touchscreen?

I would wager the screen costs at least $20, the OS another $10, the wifi chipset $2, the CPU $10, the GPU $5, the touchscreen $10, etc.

Add on top of that the "normal" practice of doubling or tripling base cost for retail... and you have a $110 device that sells for $300...

By uhgotnegum on 9/9/2008 4:25:01 PM , Rating: 3 notice how the failure to bring a "really cool new device" into the market has dropped (implying causation to the correlation, I'm afraid) the stock by about 4% (not that the general market decline today had anything to do with it...).

Not that it won't rebound when Apple actually announces the i-tablettouchmultiporttunes-er, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

Secondly, anyone think that the lack of GPS in the 2G Touch is more a sign of putting it in some upcoming tablet-thing or Apple's dumb attempt to keep the Touch and Phone separate? I think the former, but that's probably because I'd like to see a tablet, which I could buy that would give me access into stuffy coffee shops everywhere.

iPod Touch still only 32GB
By Combatcolin on 9/9/2008 3:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
Oh well, maybe some time next year we'll see a 64GB version and i can finally upgrade from my 3g 40GB.

32GB is just too small.

lol @
By icanhascpu on 9/9/2008 7:06:27 PM , Rating: 2
lol @

1. The people getting worked up over this old (but nice) feature.
2. The people getting worked up over #1

every apple related column is filled with douches on both sides. Keep it up!

new Nano
By djcameron on 9/9/2008 7:12:11 PM , Rating: 2
The new Nano look like a Zune Nano.

Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By foxtrot9 on 9/9/2008 3:46:33 PM , Rating: 5
get off your knees man

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By onelittleindian on 9/9/2008 4:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone who isn't riding the anti-Apple bandwagon has to admit that the accelerometer idea was pretty **** neat.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 4:51:12 PM , Rating: 2
That'll get you downrated by local Apple hating fanatics in no time ;-)

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By RussianSensation on 9/9/2008 4:58:25 PM , Rating: 4
Yes except that Sony Walkman phones had this functionality years ago. There is nothing innovative about it.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By kkwst2 on 9/9/2008 5:15:43 PM , Rating: 1
I get it! You're easily distracted by shiny objects and useless features rebadged as something innovative.

Thanks for the clarification.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 5:34:39 PM , Rating: 2
You're easily distracted by shiny objects and useless features rebadged as something innovative
Nope, Vista does not distract me :P

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By spuddyt on 9/9/2008 5:21:44 PM , Rating: 1
what? You seem to be implying that the feature itself is different, whilst in fact the only different thing is Apple's marketing, which, to the intelligent, discerning consumer, should make the square root of fuck all difference

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 5:43:05 PM , Rating: 2
You haven't seen this feature anywhere else (I mean shake'n'shuffle) but you just have to spit out standard fanboyish silliness about "Apple marketing"

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By ObiDon on 9/9/2008 7:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
The Sansa Shaker has been out for quite a while ;)

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: -1
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Omega215D on 9/9/2008 5:36:23 PM , Rating: 3
Except with Sony MP3 players you get your money's worth. It has a better sound chip, a screen just as good as IPod and it comes with better earbuds.

I mean come on, for a machine that's supposed to be the ultimate in portable players the iPod sure doesn't sound as good as other players, esp. the cheaper Korean brands.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Omega215D on 9/9/2008 10:51:28 PM , Rating: 2
Umm, I borrow my brother's iPod Nano, my sister's iPod touch and I have an old iPod 3rd Gen. They all don't sound as good as my players from iRiver and Cowon. I got to sample a Sony A729 but I'm waiting for the price to come down a bit so don't judge without knowing punk.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Omega215D on 9/9/2008 10:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
I actually like my MacBook and I like my Vista based PC so I'm no fanboy. Why is it so hard for people to accept the fact that iPod doesn't offer too much that way Apple would indeed improve the basics of the machine.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Tamale on 9/11/2008 8:09:42 PM , Rating: 1

the sony phones do EXACTLY this. stop drinking the apple kool-aid ffs

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By kkwst2 on 9/9/2008 5:11:05 PM , Rating: 3
Seriously? I can see it as marginally useful on the iPhone, but the Nano? Shaking to shuffle the playlist? Seriously? This is groundbreaking? It might be a novelty for a couple days, but then fairly useless. How often do you think to yourself "I've got to shuffle this playlist, like, yesterday."?

If this places me on the anti-Apple bandwagon, then I'm on.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By icanhascpu on 9/9/2008 7:01:50 PM , Rating: 2
Its a thing that plays music. Okay? Lets calm down. If you dont like the feature, dont use it. Just get a grip.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By HotdogIT on 9/9/2008 7:09:12 PM , Rating: 2
I can't picture the 4-letter word that works there.

I mean, I can picture ******* working, but ****? I mean, what 4 letter word would describe "neat"?

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By FoundationII on 9/10/2008 8:03:54 AM , Rating: 2
It's probably the word that starts with a 'd' and means "To condemn to hell."
I don't think it's proper english but I heard it being used like that before.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By michal1980 on 9/9/2008 4:12:42 PM , Rating: 3
I'm glad I wasn't drinking when I read that, It would have came out my nose.

I can only imangine the bad visuals of people wanking off their ipods

And isn't this more of a rewind move for the nano.

IMHO, Apple is now out of ideas. nothing new came out today worth noting.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Master Kenobi on 9/9/2008 4:21:22 PM , Rating: 3
I will give them a +1 for coming out with nano colors that aren't well, pastel. Bold colors across the line with a wide variety is a good thing. Other than that, agreed, they have nothing new. This seems to be a step backwards on the nano though as its larger than the current one.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By themadmilkman on 9/9/2008 5:01:39 PM , Rating: 2
The form factor of the previous ipod nano just didn't sit right with a lot of people, myself included. It looked awkward. Yes, the new one is bigger, but I'm planning on picking one up because it doesn't seem as awkward to me. Poor reason to choose one over the other? Maybe, but it's a reason all the same.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By FITCamaro on 9/9/2008 5:18:16 PM , Rating: 2
So you already have one but you'll buy another?

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Runiteshark on 9/9/2008 6:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
Thats what Apple is all about. Perhaps his has already broken already and needs another one, because the nano is a disposable device like a prepaid cellphone.

Or at least Apple wants you to think that.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By themadmilkman on 9/9/2008 8:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
I have a first generation nano with only 1 GB of memory. I love the form factor, but need more space. So yes, I'm replacing a nano with a nano, since the new one fits my budget and current needs. There are people who buy every generation of ipods, but I certainly don't fall into that category.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Radeon117X on 9/9/2008 10:27:54 PM , Rating: 2
by themadmilkman on September 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM

I have a first generation nano with only 1 GB of memory. I love the form factor, but need more space. So yes, I'm replacing a nano with a nano, since the new one fits my budget and current needs. There are people who buy every generation of ipods, but I certainly don't fall into that category.
Yeah im with you here. I have a 1st Gen Nano as well with 1GB. However, since then I've gotten a larger song library and video library that I'd like to take around with me now, so I guess it's time to step it up :)

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By silversound on 9/9/2008 5:15:21 PM , Rating: 2
"iPod market share is 73.4% Sandisk has 8.6%, Microsoft has 2.6%, and “Other” is 15.4%. Not too bad, Microsoft."

zune even weaker than sansa? Damn~

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Omega215D on 9/9/2008 5:38:26 PM , Rating: 2
It's not about quality when people buy Sansa players. They're the cheapest out there with decent sound quality.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By sprockkets on 9/9/2008 5:28:18 PM , Rating: 2
Even Anand thinks Cover Flow is gay.

So, when you are jogging, does it know not to go into shuffle mode? Better yet, how to you get out of shuffle mode via the accelerometer?

Btw, Apple is not the first one to control playback functions via the accelerometer.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By robinthakur on 9/10/2008 6:47:12 AM , Rating: 2
Cover flow is 'gay' now? Fabulous! Mine's the pink one. lol

Its technical function, get over yourself.


RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By 306maxi on 9/9/2008 4:14:02 PM , Rating: 5
Congratulations on getting worked up over a feature that's been on my N95 for about 18 months now.

I am simply amazed at how Apple can whip up so much fuss over features that are sometimes years old.

Apple is king of interfaces eh? I can type a text pretty darn fast on my N95 with one hand while not even looking and get 100% accuracy. Try that on an iPhone......

Apple is merely the king of making theird interfaces look flashy and easier to use than they actually are.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By 306maxi on 9/9/2008 5:02:15 PM , Rating: 1
I was talking about the accelerometer. If someone wanted to develop a bit of software for the S60 platform that shuffled your playlist then yes you could shake your N95 and shuffle the playlist. But is this actually necessary? Not really.....

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 5:09:20 PM , Rating: 1
Like I said above some formal thing included just for marketing bullet point is very different from the same feature but implemented in a way that really makes it useful. Compare F11 on a Mac OS X with Win-D on Windows, compare Expose with Flip 3D, compare Safari on iPhone with any other sh1tty mobile web browser like pocket IE.

The shake'n'shuffle is very similar, implemented not just for markeing bullet point.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By FITCamaro on 9/9/2008 5:14:50 PM , Rating: 2
The windows key + 'D' is easier to hit than F11.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 5:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
Win-D is harder to hit because it's two keys, onlike one key (F11) on Mac OS X

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By 306maxi on 9/9/2008 6:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
How is it harder?

It's VERY natural to use your thumb for the windows key and your ring finger for tab. You could even say it's very moist and chewy keyboard shortcut. F11 is soooo far over there -> and up a bit that it's unnatural.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 6:46:09 PM , Rating: 2
Well, this is matter of taste, two fingers or one... however this won't fix ugly flickering (it's double ugly because it happens on Aero) when you press Win-D twice and even more frustrating window Z order shuffling that Windows loves to do after pressing Win-D twice.

When lame MS coders get their stupid @sses together and fix this ugliness/bugs then we can reopen this disucssion again ;-)

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By robinthakur on 9/10/2008 6:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
I prefer three fingers personally...Oh wait, what are we talking about?

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/10/2008 4:10:39 PM , Rating: 2
Been usin' too much Windows lately?

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By 306maxi on 9/9/2008 5:59:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. I don't generally use the F keys on my keyboard because I can type properly so moving my hands awat from the asdf and jkl; keys just slows me down. I use F5 to refresh web browsers and F1 for steam friends chat and that's about it.

I don't get what's so fancy about expose. I can windows key + tab and then click on the window I want with the cursor in Vista too. Big deal.

If you want to talk to me about interface then why not talk about the ribbon system in Office 2007? Now there's an interface that works well and isn't just flashyness.

The only problem with my N95 in terms of web browsing is the screen size. But I'm simply not prepared to carry something as massive as an iPhone around with me when 99% of the time I'm only making a call or sending a text message with my phone. I use Opera Mobile to browse anyway and it's pretty good.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 6:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
I use F5 to refresh web browsers and F1 for steam friends chat and that's about it.
Hehe, you use F keys but you can't pass a chance to kick Apple for F11 key. Smells like double standard of a typical Apple basher.
I can windows key + tab and then click on the window I want with the cursor in Vista too
Can you see all windows conveniently laid out on screen Expose-style? No, you can't. Next!

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By QueBert on 9/10/2008 5:40:31 AM , Rating: 2
as massive huh? the iPhone is about 1/2 the thickness of the n95, it might be longer and wider, but the n95 is a damn brick. Have fun walking around with a brick in your pocket

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By FITCamaro on 9/9/2008 5:09:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I would have to wonder about someone using something like this after the first or second time.

But I guess when you're a true hard core Apple fan, these little things get you erect since you've got nothing else.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By kkwst2 on 9/9/2008 5:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. But I would probably refer to that segment as the "Ooh, shiny box" Apple fan rather than the "hard core" fan.

Hard core would be using the console, writing scripts, etc.

Buying something for "Shake 'n Shuffle" is just not "hard core".

Otherwise, well said.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By michal1980 on 9/9/2008 5:30:10 PM , Rating: 2
well, if your add and need to rub one out, now you can pratice.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By rbfowler9lfc on 9/9/2008 11:07:05 PM , Rating: 2
Apple can whip up so much fuss over features that are sometimes years old.

Too bad no one ever heard of them before...

Apple is merely the king of making theird interfaces look flashy and easier to use than they actually are.

Apple is merely the king of making extremely good use of their marketing given their current product line.

Disclaimer: I'm not an Apple fanboy, I do despise some of their hardware and software, but the iPod is absolutely brilliant, especially the Nano.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Gastrian on 9/9/2008 7:19:04 PM , Rating: 1
Sony Ericsson phones have been using Shake Control (their term for shake'n'shuffle) for a while and is pretty standard throughout the mid to high end walkman phones. Its quite nifty as well, hold the walkman button then shake it right to go forward a track, left to go back and randomly for it to be shuffled.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 7:38:56 PM , Rating: 2
Where can I read about it on the net? Are there any reviews of this Walkman feature?

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Gastrian on 9/9/2008 7:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
There's a press release here;

I think there's a few reviews around the net but I find picking a mobile phone as personal a choice as a picking a car and is too based in opinion so I don't read them. I prefer to go to my local stores and try them and I liked the W910i, the only reason I didn't pick it was because I prefered the touch screen, net access and 8GB storage of the W960i.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By robinthakur on 9/10/2008 7:10:11 AM , Rating: 2
Well Pirks, you can read about it...umm nowhere as Sony walkmen have like a 0.0.1% of the MP3 market, didn't market the feature well and thusly nobody knows or cares until Apple did it and probably made the feature actually work reliably and usefully (I freely confess that I havenv't tried it yet on the 'phone 3G). The truth hurts sometimes. I know that the feature has been on some of SE phones for a while, but for Apple it seems to sit better as the accelerometer and the portarait landscape rotation is one of those central 'wow' moments when people first see a touch or 'phone in my experience.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Gastrian on 9/10/2008 7:53:12 AM , Rating: 2
0.01%? Between Nov 2001 and April 2007 Apple sold 100 million iPods, between September 2005 and June 2007 Sony Ericcson had sold 26.5 million Walkman handsets. I think thats more than 0.01% or does Apple only have a 0.04% market share?

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Gastrian on 9/9/2008 7:43:56 PM , Rating: 2
Double checked, the W910i (which was announced in June 2007) allowed you to control music and games by moving the mobile phone.

Much like 3G, Apple seem to be able to sell old tech as new innovations.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Pirks on 9/9/2008 8:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
Apple seem to be able to sell old tech as new innovations
After seeing web page for Sansa Shaker I have to agree with you. I was wrong.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Gastrian on 9/9/2008 8:22:48 PM , Rating: 2
Just googled the Sansa Shaker and I'm so glad that was never released in the UK. While Apple may be late to the party at least they made the effort to look presentable.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By kelmon on 9/10/2008 6:39:59 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is, if the device comes from someone else then you almost never hear about it. It's kinda sad that a good feature or device doesn't get the praise that it deserves but you have to wonder whose fault that is. I've yet to see the announcement (the podcast version is very slow to download today) but I doubt that Steve will have stated that the feature was a first if it genuinely wasn't. It is clear that Apple are absolute masters at marketing their products and making sure that everyone knows about them, so I wonder why other brands can't.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By robinthakur on 9/10/2008 7:19:11 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe they don't want to alienate their 'hardcore fanbases' (all 10 of them) who only buy mp3 players if the marketing-spend and looks factor are both at zero while viewing the lack of iTunes interoperability as a bonus rather than as the rest of the world sees it, as a liability.

Seriously though, if you have good features, and you've spent on the R&D, for gawd sake spend a bit on the design of the product and the marketing if you want to see a return. All Sandisk adverts look like they are written by an unpopular child with braces next to Apple's. Just look at the "Nano-chromatic" image if you want proof of this. Its bold and striking, gender non-specific and it immediately shows you the entire attractive range line-up and makes you think "what colour would I buy...Should I buy more than one colour etc". Now that's good marketing..It takes a rather boring product by Apple refresh standards and makes it immediately desirable.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By aireth on 9/11/2008 12:22:49 AM , Rating: 2
Apple has a really great marketing team, full stop. Years old technology used by others can be marketed as innovative. They have the budget.

Other companies might think that consumers will buy their products that have better features and quality without much publicity but in these days, word of mouth just ain't enough. The R&D just goes to waste losing out to lesser products that have better marketing.

RE: Shake'n'shuffle iPod :-)
By Dreifort on 9/10/2008 1:33:48 PM , Rating: 2
great, if they don't get a huge forearm from nightly exercises, they'll get it from shaking their phone all the time.

why not just have a sensore taped to your cranium and it senses that want to skip songs?

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