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One of the great luminaries in tech is no longer with us

We have just heard the news that former Apple CEO Steve Jobs died today at the age of 56. The following was posted on Apple's website.
 
 

 
Steve Jobs caught us all off guard when he announced his resignation as Apple CEO back in late August of this year. He handed off his duties to his right-hand man, Tim Cook. In his final address to Apple employees, Steve Jobs described:
 
I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple's CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come...
 
I believe Apple's brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it. And I look forward to watching and contributing to its success in a new role.
 
I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you.
 
Steve
 
Current Apple CEO Tim Cook today addressed Apple employees to express his thoughts, feeling about Steve Jobs:

Team,

I have some very sad news to share with all of you. Steve passed away earlier today. 

Apple has lost a visionary and creative genius, and the world has lost an amazing 
human being. Those of us who have been fortunate enough to know and work with Steve have lost a dear friend and an inspiring mentor. Steve leaves behind a company that only he could have built, and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple.

We are planning a celebration of Steve’s extraordinary life for Apple employees that will take place soon. If you would like to share your thoughts, memories and condolences in the interim, you can simply email rememberingsteve@apple.com.

No words can adequately express our sadness at Steve’s death or our gratitude for the opportunity to work with him. We will honor his memory by dedicating ourselves to continuing the work he loved so much.

Tim
 
We all here at DailyTech wish Steve's family the best in this time of mourning.
 

 [Source: Justin Sullivan/Getty Images North America]


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RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 8:32:31 PM , Rating: 5
"Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose"

http://youtu.be/UF8uR6Z6KLc

Apple, Pixar, NEXT, Apple (again), it is insane how massive his influence on technology and culture was in so little time. He worked until the end and was one of the few CEOs who could be respected in a sea of talentless MBAs.

http://twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1217363...
http://twitter.com/#!/pattonoswalt/status/12173666...

RIP




RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 9:13:03 PM , Rating: 2
And excellent post I read somewhere else:

I think I'll chose to remember him from this video from four months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M

He could barely stand, much less speak, and he still gets up in front of the Cupertino city council in order to pitch them on his vision of a new Apple campus. I knew when I watched this that he didn't have much time left, he was gasping to speak. It was still inspirational to see how much charisma and presence the guy had even when he was half wasted away from cancer.

You can't be any more dedicated to your company than that.

Corporations really get a bad rap from people that hate them, but you can hear him there, and his conviction for the collective he fostered comes through with every statement he makes as he uses "we" rather than I.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 10:25:58 PM , Rating: 5
Those things don't make someone a great man or worth morning for. Bill Gates is practically giving away his fortune to charities as fast as he earned it. What has Jobs done? I never understood why as soon as someone with money dies, we put a saintly crown on their heads as if they walked on water.

Yes, Jobs contributed significantly to his own interests and profits and some of that trickled down into the tech industry. Does being a cutthroat capitalists and ruthless profiteer earn you postmortem sainthood? Apparently so.

I think this author sums it up best:

Gates is giving away his fortune with the same gusto he spent acquiring it, throwing billions of dollars at solving global health problems. He has also spoken out on major policy issues, for example, by opposing proposals to cut back the inheritance tax.

In contrast, Jobs does not appear on any charitable contribution lists of note. And Jobs has said nary a word on behalf of important social issues, reserving his talents of persuasion for selling Apple products.

According to Forbes, Jobs was recently worth $3.3 billion which puts him among the 194th richest in the world, and makes him the 67th richest American. But the standings were shuffled on Tuesday with Disney's $7.4 billion acquisition of Pixar Animation -- a deal that makes Jobs' Pixar holdings alone worth some $3.7 billion.

But great wealth does not make a great man.


http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultof...


RE: RIP
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 10:43:57 PM , Rating: 5
It's not like we're awing at a celebrity. Just giving respects to someone who helped computing come a long way. The same thing will be done for Gates, Wozniak, Torvalds and many more.

Remember, Anandtech and DailyTech is part of the tech community and this is big news for the tech community.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 10:57:43 PM , Rating: 1
Well said, thank you


RE: RIP
By B3an on 10/5/2011 11:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer77 is right for once. Jobs dont deserve any respect. The guy as a human being is a massive a-hole and someone like that should not get any respect no matter what else they've done.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 12:36:39 AM , Rating: 2
There are many people who did great things that also made personal mistakes or were bad people. I've worked with or around some of them, and even if they are awful to be around, it doesn't diminish their accomplishments. It is possible to keep those two things in very discreet compartments.

Sometimes it takes a massive dickhead to force others to do their best. Jobs didn't make or design these products or technologies himself, but through force of will he got thousands of others to step up their creative and technical game.

From personal experience I can apply this to both James Cameron and David Fincher. They may not be the fuzziest people to be around, but they really do drive people to do their best work.

Also, it is a misconception that people like this are "dickheads" all the time, far from it. This personality type is also extremely charismatic and very motivating. Someone like Jobs doesn't keep the same collaborators for years or decades by being awful all the time. People that make your argument don't think about this.

I'm sure that you have done terrible things in your own personal life, but we're all human. It seems like whenever people focus on the personal details of a person who has done great work, they are willfully ignoring the work they've done mainly due to personal bias.

In any case, even if you thought Jobs was the biggest dick on the planet, to deny his influence on technology and culture is just asinine. For life accomplishments you have Apple with all of their innovations in computers, personal devices, and user interfaces. You have NEXT which was the development platform for the web browser, DOOM, Quake, and the basis for OS X. Then you have Pixar.

Yeah, he gets props even if he wasn't always a nice person.


RE: RIP
By YashBudini on 10/7/2011 10:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
Why are people surprised that Jobs is being mourned in the business world? He did what all businesses strive to do, sell a product for more than twice what it should sell for by turning it into a fad. Fashion is the most obvious example of this type of BS. Jobs broke new ground because he "Nike'd" what usually passes for geeky electronics.

Who mourns all the suicides over at Foxconn, the low bidder for his stuff? Nobody. But get used to it, because corporations are people too. And their feet are much bigger than yours.

If anybody in this country has job security anymore it's the advertising department at Apple, or whomever they hired to do the job.


RE: RIP
By blankslate on 10/6/2011 11:16:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not like we're awing at a celebrity. Just giving respects to someone who helped computing come a long way. The same thing will be done for Gates, Wozniak, Torvalds and many more.


Then based on the sum of Jobs actions during his life... Gates, Wozniak and Torvalds should be given more accolades when they pass away.


RE: RIP
By The Raven on 10/6/2011 12:08:45 PM , Rating: 4
Torvalds? This is more like if Shuttleworth died.

Not that I wouldn't "mourn" Mark's passing because I appreciate his generosity and intentions, but he is not of the influence of Torvalds. Not that this is an influence competition lol. It is sad news. Normal sad news. But Steve Jobs dying is as hyped as his products. I couldn't believe when Steve Pelle interrupted a show that was on last night. As if they will do the same for Torvalds. Media morons always giving Apple free publicity...ugh! They must be shareholders lol.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 10:55:52 PM , Rating: 1
If Jobs was in it solely for the money then he would have retired decades ago. Instead he worked right up until the end. Fact of the matter is that you have other tech billionaires like Michael Dell and Steve Ballmer who are worth roughly $15 billion, and Larry Ellison who is worth nearly $30 billion, all of whom are worth far more than Jobs who's worth around $7 billion. Chump change among CEOs.

Do you level the same criticisms at them? I can't fathom calling Jobs a ruthless profiteer when you have someone like Michael Dell who has personal net worth that is half of his own company's market cap, who spends it on building extravagant mansions around the world while running what is basically the Wal-Mart of the PC business.

The thing is that people like this cannot halfass anything. Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft in order to run his foundation. It is the greatest act of philanthropy in history and it is obviously to be commended. I mean, his efforts are probably going to wipe out malaria, how awesome is that?

If Jobs were to do the same thing then he would have to stop his work at Apple. Second, Gates is worth $56 billion, which is about eight time what Jobs is. I argue that it is better that Jobs focused his energy on innovation in popular technology and culture.

Look at their strengths and why it is a great thing that both CEOs ended up spending their time doing very different things.

Bill Gates was a fantastic businessman who accumulated an insane amount of wealth, $56 billion. Jobs was a visionary who's companies popularized things like the mouse/GUI, created the platform upon which the very first web browser, DOOM, and QUAKE were created upon, ran the most successful movie studio in history, and set the standard for smarphones and tablets which laid the groundwork for alternative platforms such as Android today.

Had Jobs put his focus on philanthropy in early 2006 when the Wired article was written, you wouldn't have the advances in smartphones, operating systems, tablets, or notebooks that have trickled through, inspired, pushed and changed the direction of the entire tech industry. They all owe to these innovations either directly or indirectly.

Funny enough, this just came across my Twitter feed: http://twitter.com/#!/msiUSA/status/12175027402821...

The last thing I would do is argue against the importance of philanthropy from people like Gates and Buffet. Cynical people would make the tax shelter argument, but I truly believe that they believe in these causes. At the same time, I also know that it would have been a complete loss for society and the tech industry had Jobs focused his attention elsewhere.

Fortunately we had both the insanely wealthy Gates and the visionary Jobs using their resources and talents to their fullest.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 11:14:40 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, a commentor somewhere else put it much more succinctly than I ever could:

quote:
I usually prefer competitors' products over Apple's. But the cheaper, more open-ended knockoffs that I love wouldn't be this cool without Apple's popularization and great execution of new technologies. Jobs was a big part of that, and I'm gonna miss the guy.


Criticize him for whatever, but everyone is fortunate that he focused on what he did.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/5/2011 11:35:18 PM , Rating: 4
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Michael Dell and Steve Ballmer who are worth roughly $15 billion, and Larry Ellison who is worth nearly $30 billion, all of whom are worth far more than Jobs who's worth around $7 billion. Chump change among CEOs. Do you level the same criticisms at them?


Uhh are we talking about the Michael Dell who set up the Michael and Susan Dell Foundation which has given over 2 billion and change in charity? The Michel Dell who gave $5 million in Katrina relief? Who donated to micro-finance lenders in six biggest cities of India, making an effort to lift million of slum dwellers out of poverty? THAT Micheal Dell? Yeah, what a dick....

To put things in perspective, Dell does more in philanthropy and donates more to charity per year than Jobs has his ENTIRE LIFE!


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 12:35:48 AM , Rating: 5
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Yes, the same Michael Dell who's company does nothing innovative


I love how you define "innovation" as who has the coolest mobile device consumer toys. Takin your bias is as transparent and pathetic as is your apologist position for Jobs.

But I guess one of if not the worlds leading innovator in server designs IT and business solutions doesn't earn you much clout these days. It's all about who can make the coolest phone or pad for teenagers to fawn over.

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Also, way to completely miss the point and arguments of the post, congrats.


I got you, it's just comical. Oh Jobs was too busy coming up with phone and tablet ideas to sit down and think about others for 2 minutes. His wife too apparently! She was too busy being Job's wife I guess to help start a foundation like every OTHER billionaires wife out there has practically. What disgustingly selfish people, really.

I've just never understood why people go out of their way to whitewash things when someone famous dies. It's like Micheal Jackson's death. You would have thought a saint died, not a freaking pedophile...


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/11, Rating: -1
RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 1:05:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I'm just pointing out how far in the minority you are in your way of thinking.


And what kind of thinking is that?

I was just pointing out how your love of Apple toys was causing you to spew a bunch of evangelistic things about their creator. Jobs was many things, but a great man was not one of them. And I don't care how much you deflect it by dragging Dell through the mud and acting sanctimonious about it, still doesn't change the fact.

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I guess you can comfort yourself in the thought that you aren't a "sellout", or whatever nerd hipsters such as yourself like to think of themselves.


You couldn't be more wrong. I do NOT make emotional decisions when it comes to big purchases or something I have to use on a daily basis. If Apple made the best product for my needs, I would buy Apple. But since they don't, and never have, I do not buy Apple. You go on believing we're all just "nerd hipsters", dumbass.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 1:11:25 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I was just pointing out how your love of Apple toys was causing you to spew a bunch of evangelistic things about their creator.


Look at all the assumptions you're making in order to paint a strawman opponent. My main desktop is a Windows 7 PC that I built myself, just the PCs I've been building for fifteen years now. My favorite, most dear tech gadget isn't an iPhone, nor is it an iPad, it is an Amazon Kindle 3.

Just because I use non-Apple devices doesn't mean that I cannot respect how obviously important Jobs was.

quote:
You go on believing we're all just "nerd hipsters", dumbass


Wow, Leroy's mad!


RE: RIP
By intelcpu on 10/9/2011 9:21:56 PM , Rating: 1
Innovations are not only taking place in the IT sector, you have innovations everywhere, from Aerospace to business operations.

For example Dells inc s lean production system can produce a customized PC within 36 hours. Even more impressive, Dell dosent start ordering components and assembling computers until orders are booked. By ordering right before assembly, Dell s parts are on an average 60 days newer than those of its competitors, which translates into 6% profit advantage in components alone.

Source ” inside Dells lean Machine” page 14-16
This is a innovation in running business processes smoothly.

A few years ago many experts felt that US companies were unlikely to outsource their research and development (R&D) activities to lower cost Asian countries. However these experts were wrong. Companies such as Protector and Gamble Boeing DELL Eli Lilly and Motorola are increasingly relying on Asian business partners to meet their R & D needs. In Fact research shows that US technology companies outsource 70% of their mobile device design, 65% of their Notebook design, and 30% of their digital camera design.
http://www.accenture.com/us-en/Pages/service-engin...
Allen J Delattre, head of Accenture high tech consulting practice says” R&D is the single remaining controllable expense to work on. Companies will either have to cut costs or increase R&D productivity.” In light of this stark reality, most Western companies creating a model of innovation that leverages the skills of Indian software developers, Taiwanese engineers and Chinese factories. The lower labor rates available at these countries coupled with their strong technology orientation makes “buying” R&D capability from overseas more attractive to US companies than relying on their domestic workforce to “make R&D breakthroughs.
Source “Outsourcing innovation” Business week March 21 2005 page 82-94
Human Resources is changing fast in these days. Its not uncommon to have as many as 50 percent of employees working on virtual teams. We have to think global especially in the manner of todays complex organizations.
Beste Grüße aus München


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 1:30:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The things you keep ignoring is that he was always working and that he was worth a fraction of other big tech CEOs.


Bull. Gates donated tons to charity while he was still CEO. All while changing the face of the entire planet and revolutionizing the human race! Dude how long do you think it takes to write a check and have a letter drafted? It's not a massive effort!

quote:
Android phones or tablets literally would not exist


Okay Tony, whatever you say.

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It seems like most people here and nearly everyone on Android or other non-Apple sites readily accept all of this while you totally dismiss it.


Of course, that's the typical postmortem drivel that people spew after someone dies. I bet half of those people or more non-stop rode Job's ass at every opportunity while he was alive.

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You must be a pretty smart guy to see above it all as well as you do.


Nah, just more honest.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 2:02:07 AM , Rating: 1
No, learn to read. I'm not saying Jobs should have started a foundation or matched Gate's charitable efforts. But he didn't even TRY. He could have just written a few checks a year and have been done with it. That would have at least been something.

And please, I'm laughing at your attempt to make coming up with consumer toys a seemingly herculean effort.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 3:13:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
And please, I'm laughing at your attempt to make coming up with consumer toys a seemingly herculean effort.


Every major tech company is either copying them or iterating upon what they've done in order to get a piece of this new market that is still in its infancy. It is arrogant and presumptuous to think that creating these things were a minor effort.

As for writing checks, like I said many posts ago, I honestly don't care. What he does with his money isn't my business, and he didn't pillage his company, nor did he sit on his laurels. He actually produced his entire professional career, and what he accomplished between Apple, NEXT, and Pixar exceeds what most people have done in their lives, charitable or not. There's him on the tech/product side and Bill Gates on the charity side, and not much else...

If you want to hate on a CEO, hate on any of the numerous MBAs with no talent or vision for anything except a golden parachute when they retire or get fired. Your hatred is completely misplaced, especially considering that the desktop PC and the phone you use are direct and indirect products of his work.


RE: RIP
By blankslate on 10/6/2011 11:35:37 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
If you want to hate on a CEO, hate on any of the numerous MBAs with no talent or vision for anything except a golden parachute when they retire or get fired. Your hatred is completely misplaced, especially considering that the desktop PC and the phone you use are direct and indirect products of his work.


Except that most CEO's are not lionized far beyond the level that they deserve based upon how they behaved in their lives by people who don't know much about that CEO except that they head a company that sells "cool" electronics...

Other people have given examples of how Mr. Jobs behaved badly toward people he should have treated better.

We should be respectful because someone has died and his family and friends are grieving.

However, I don't like the way Apple is "competing" with lawsuits based on questionable evidence (in one case at least).
As for the way we interact with our computers today. He didn't originate the really important ideas just realized that they were brilliant ideas and made sure that Apple was one of the first companies (if not the first) to bring them to market. That does deserve recognition.

Cheating a close business associate of 2000 dollars, on the other hand, is not laudable behavior... If he would be willing to cheat a close associate out of that much what would he be willing to do when millions are involved? I think the lawsuits that are playing out in the courts of different countries are an answer.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 1:27:55 PM , Rating: 1
Sweet Christ on a cracker how many times are you going to bring up Pixar? He simply bought Pixar from Lucas, how is that a big deal? And how is making cartoons of talking robots and animals for stupid little kids worthy of so much praise anyway? So he bought Pixar, but FUCKING deal! I suppose you're now going to claim he "innovated" all the CG technology that goes into Pixar cartoons now lol.

quote:
Every major tech company is either copying them or iterating upon what they've done in


Well that's certainly Apple's position. Regurgitating that crap doesn't make it any less irrelevant. Go file a few more lawsuits if it will make you guys feel better lol.

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Your hatred is completely misplaced, especially considering that the desktop PC and the phone you use are direct and indirect products of his work.


Please, you need to give that up. Repeating the same lie over and over again won't make it truth. You're boring me.

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There's him on the tech/product side and Bill Gates on the charity side, and not much else...


No I'm sorry but Bill Gates unified and standardized the entire computing world, hell, the world in general. His achievements both in technology AND charitable donations absolutely crushes anything Jobs has done.

You make it seems as if Jobs himself developed the advanced mobile computing microchip process, screen technology, CGI graphics technology OH, and while he was at it, he singlehandedly invented the PC. Jobs was a CEO, not an R&D manager. He hasn't gotten his hands dirty developing or innovating since the 1980's. Great salesman? Sure. Shrewd businessman? We know that all too well.

Great man and innovator? Absolutely not.


RE: RIP
By Shadowself on 10/6/2011 10:41:40 PM , Rating: 4
OK this time you crossed the line.

Up front: those of you who regularly read here know I've bashed Apple (and Jobs) often -- when they deserved it. But...

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And how is making cartoons of talking robots and animals for stupid little kids worthy of so much praise anyway?


Jobs didn't create Pixar. He guided it's growth and it's direction after he bought it. Lucas was on the verge of just folding it up and closing the doors. Implying that Jobs had NOTHING to do with Pixar's capabilities is like implying that Walt Disney had no guidance over Disneyland or Disney World. Disney did none of the design work or "grunt work" of either, but he did guide the teams that did. Same as Jobs with Pixar.

quote:
Well that's certainly Apple's position. Regurgitating that crap doesn't make it any less irrelevant. Go file a few more lawsuits if it will make you guys feel better lol.


Hmmm...
What major PC company was selling an easily programmable disk based computer to the general public before Apple?
What major PC company was selling a graphical, windows environment to the general public before Apple?
What major PC company was selling a true plug-and-play networking system for PCs (yes the Mac was/is a PC) before Apple?
What major PC company was selling Postscript printers controlled over a plug-and-play network -- operable by the common man/woman before Apple?
What major PC company was selling a vector graphics based screen interface for the computer to the general public before NeXT?
What major PC company was selling a computer-printer pair with the smarts in the computer and a dumb, rasterized printer (Postscript quality out of the printer without having to have anything like Postscript in the printer) to the general public before NeXT?
What major PC company was selling a computer with optical media as its primary information transport device before NeXT?
What company popularized putting 4,000 songs in your pocket before Apple?
What company popularized downloading digital music before Apple?
What company popularized a graphical interface only as the input to a phone before Apple?
What company popularized the purely graphical tablet market before Apple?

Sure virtually NONE of these were firsts, -- and in fact, most of these were not invented at Jobs' companies -- but in each and every case Jobs saw a technology somewhere (most often presented to him by his own staff) and he was able to pick the future -- then he guided, pushed, pressured, -- even sometimes harassed -- his staff to get a better product out the door.

A simple example was one of the earliest:
Jobs saw a couple of software engineers at Apple playing with graphical user interface concepts. He questioned them about it, and they said he needed to go to Xerox PARC to see the real thing. He went on the now famous trip to PARC and saw what they had there. Recognizing that it was the future of computer interfaces he persuaded Apple to license the technology from Xerox and pushed through the development of the Lisa and then the Mac. If Jobs had just thought -- as 99.999% of others at the time thought -- that the GUI was just a nice experiment in human interfaces then very likely the world would not be what it is now.

I personally used a Mac for a while right after they came out. Why? Because I could develop my simulations for transuranics (I was a nuke back then) 100 plus times faster in the graphical coding environment on a Mac (loved Absoft's FORTRAN!) then port it over the the Cray's and CYBERs to run. It does make me wonder who else was doing the same thing because developing on the Mac was so much easier than on purely text based machines.

Jobs' one, great talent was being able to see a technology and know that it was a "next great thing". Jobs was better at this than anyone else in our lifetime (and I'm older than Jobs -- almost certainly older than you).

Does anyone really think that without the Macintosh that Windows 95 would have happened in '95? If you do you clearly don't know about the licensing agreement for the Mac Source Code to Microsoft and that Microsoft was building on that Apple software source code from the 80s until Windows 95 came out. A Windows 95 interface would have eventually happened -- but maybe not until 2012 if there had never been a Mac.

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No I'm sorry but Bill Gates unified and standardized the entire computing world, hell, the world in general. His achievements both in technology AND charitable donations absolutely crushes anything Jobs has done.


Bill Gates "unified and standardized the entire computing world"? Should we all than (or blame) Bill Gates for all the headaches caused by trying to figure IRC issues? Plug and Play? Hell!

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Jobs was a CEO, not an R&D manager. He hasn't gotten his hands dirty developing or innovating since the 1980's. Great salesman? Sure. Shrewd businessman? We know that all too well.


Jobs was a detail fanatic. He did preside over the R&D teams at Apple. He did make decisions on some of the smallest details of designs (sometimes as detailed as the shape of a clip on the wires of the headphones).

You are just an Apple and Jobs hater. It's just that simple.

Was Jobs a saint? Absolutely not. Anyone that tries to imply he was is just delusional.

Did he guide many of the things that changed the computer and personal electronics world into what we live with now. Absolutely. All but the pure haters can recognize that.

Oh, and I'm quite aware that taking this stance will get me a -1 before the hour is out.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 10:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
Great post. Unfortunately I'm pissed that I wasted so much time arguing with this ignorant redneck yesterday when I could have been doing other things at my desktop like playing games, going out and seeing a movie, or actually getting some work done.

Look at his other posts, the guy is an idiot and a totally deranged fanboy. He is the flipside of Tony Swash, just as deluded and annoying.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 10:54:50 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're just pissed that I can say that stuff with his body barely being cold and get 4's and 5's for it, and you wasted all that time getting rated into the dirt.

You obviously are jealous of my talents :)


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 11:08:37 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, the downratings just mean that there are people as stupid as you are.

I'm happy that you have at least this little echo chamber to voice your lunatic opinions on.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/7/2011 1:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nah, the downratings just mean that there are people as stupid as you are.


Riiight, it's everyone else, not you. You know what they say about people who think like that, don't you?


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/8/2011 8:04:50 PM , Rating: 2
And you're deluded if you think that your arguments reflect reality. Part of the hivemind here represents such a fringe mindset, which what I find interesting about it.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 11:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
OK this time you crossed the line.


TLDNR


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/8/2011 8:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
Understandable, readin' and 'rithmatic weren't really taught in the trailer park


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 11:05:48 PM , Rating: 2
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Jobs didn't create Pixar. He guided it's growth and it's direction after he bought it. Lucas was on the verge of just folding it up and closing the doors. Implying that Jobs had NOTHING to do with Pixar's capabilities is like implying that Walt Disney had no guidance over Disneyland or Disney World. Disney did none of the design work or "grunt work" of either, but he did guide the teams that did. Same as Jobs with Pixar.


Pixar is an interesting story. He lost money on the studio for years and people thought he was a fool for buying into what was a silly fad. Computer generated imagery in the 1980s wasn't an obvious bet, but that's another example of what Jobs was really good at. Many of the products he pushed out were laughed at initially, but history usually proved him right. He was just really good at seeing where things were going to go.

In the case of Pixar, he did what he needed to. He sheltered the artists there and gave them the opportunity to make something great, even though he burned through his own cash for years before turning a profit. It eventually paid off with the sales of Renderman and then the release of Toy Story, but that was far from a sure thing.

Hit products are far from a sure thing, and it is easy for armchair know-it-alls to sit back and say that it wasn't a big deal. Billions in venture capital go down the tubes every year. For whatever reason, Jobs was really good at picking and nurturing talent, on top of figuring out what the next big thing was going to be.

Talent without a patron is useless, then you just have another talented artist or engineer with no place to create anything, or they end up like the majority of people doing substandard work for a company with no clear vision.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 11:24:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
He simply bought Pixar from Lucas, how is that a big deal? And how is making cartoons of talking robots and animals for stupid little kids worthy of so much praise anyway? So he bought Pixar, but FUCKING deal!

You make it seems as if Jobs himself developed the advanced mobile computing microchip process, screen technology, CGI graphics technology OH, and while he was at it, he singlehandedly invented the PC. Jobs was a CEO, not an R&D manager. He hasn't gotten his hands dirty developing or innovating since the 1980's. Great salesman? Sure. Shrewd businessman? We know that all too well.


You are extremely naive if you think that having someone at the top who allows talent to do their thing is unimportant. Jobs lost money for almost a decade at a time when nobody believed in CGI filmmaking before turning a profit. Once again, he invested in what he saw would be the future and he was right.

But yeah, no big deal says the inbred hick.

Being able to vet talent, give them the freedom to do good work, all while maintaining a focus on the goals of the company are skills that too few CEOs have. If movie studios were run like Pixar we would have far more good movies. Instead movie studios are run by suits who have no concept of anything except the bottom line and no focus.

The same thinking applies to technology companies, very few of which have a focus and clear vision for user interface and customer experience in the same way Apple does.

But apparently you think that an artist or an engineer can steer a company as well as a dedicated CEO. Wow.

Also, lol at the idiot redneck who thinks Pixar movies are stupid.


RE: RIP
By Autisticgramma on 10/6/2011 4:08:40 PM , Rating: 2
Applers calling others arrogant. LOL. Isn't telling others their feelings are 'misplaced' arrogant?

Most of the doctors I support have a mac because of how it looks and the Other doctors have them. and "The hue matches 75% of my ties."

Jobs knew his customers slightly better than Michael Dell. Like they're even comparable.

Apple sells beauty, not function. Its like comparing snickers and shepard's pie. Both just happen to be edible.



RE: RIP
By rlandess on 10/11/2011 8:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
I find myself commenting too often on this topic. It's become compulsive.

If there's is anything I learned in art school it's that nothing is ever created in a vacuum. Every idea Apple ever developed came from somewhere else.

Jobs great talent was taking an idea and making it more accessible to the average person, or tweaking it somehow, or putting a shiny metal band around it.

The tablet market didn't start with the iPad, it started with microsofts push in 2001 to make XP Tablet edition the OS of choice for emerging tablet platforms. Before that the history of tablet go back to the Dos based GridPad of the 80s.

Companies aren't copying Apples intellectual property so much as trying to copy their style and success. Apples massive popularity isn't due to it's talent for design and manufacturing or they would do it in house.

And...

Yes!!! Who cares about how much money he gave to charity! I think it's great the Gates gives literally tons of money away to worthwhile charities. It's a beautiful thing when a person feels empathy for another person and tries to make that persons life better without any personal return. We should not measure a persons value based on it though. Jobs seems like a nice enough guy. He left the world a legacy, he left society a net gain I'm sure of it. If only we all could do so much...

I'm not here to crap on Jobs. I think he was probably a decent guy.


RE: RIP
By plowak on 10/6/2011 6:48:39 PM , Rating: 2
Well Mr Lilly White, how much have you given away? That's what I thought, so shut your pie hole!


RE: RIP
By thisisaname on 10/6/2011 6:52:01 PM , Rating: 2
I gave a $50 bill to charity once. That's more than billionaire Jobs ever gave.


RE: RIP
By gwem557 on 10/6/2011 4:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
Dell does nothing innovative? Are you F'kn kidding me? Dell was HUGE in Just-in-time manufacturing development, something that has improved COUNTELESS industries, not just the tech ones....


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 11:10:11 PM , Rating: 2
Are we talking about the present, or something that everyone else picked up from them fifteen years ago?


RE: RIP
By masamasa on 10/6/2011 3:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
Well put.


RE: RIP
By Onimuto on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 12:19:40 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
sorry iphones and ipad are not life altering the pc was the only life altering thing to come out of apple thanks to Steve Woz.


I respectfully disagree. Popularizing the PC and the mouse/GUI were obviously very important achievements for Apple, but I think it is too soon to say that smartphones and tablets won't end up being as important. These are only in their infancy, and the rate of improvement is much faster than Moore's Law ever was. The rate of improvement is way faster than when I went from a 486 to a Pentium and onwards in the 90s.

More and faster technology is getting crammed into smaller and less expensive form factors. It is likely that in decades, many more people will have portable smartphone "computers" on them than people that have actual desktops. The smartphone will likely be the PC, in that you plug it in with a cable (or it even docks wirelessly) and all of your other desktop interfaces (large monitor, keyboard, etc) are driven by the smartphone. You're seeing this simplified style of docking now with the Thunderbolt connector and newer Apple laptops, and there was a failed attempt with the Atrix. OS X Lion is adopting more "mobile" UI paradigms, and Microsoft is clearly banking on this style of convergence with Windows 8.

It is the way going forward and the technologies and paradigms that you are dismissing are most likely laying the groundwork for the future.

There was some resistance going from mainframes to terminals, then from terminals to command line PCs, then from command line PCs to ones that use a GUI (referred to as "toys" in the 80s), and it is happening now with people talking about smartphones and tablets. This line of thinking continues to be shortsighted and one-dimensional, imo.

I for one would LOVE this future, where I can just take my phone to a dock and run Starcraft 2 or something else like that, how awesome would that be?


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 12:50:34 AM , Rating: 2
Okay admit it, you're actually Tony or Pirks aren't you? I mean come on man, I can practically hear you creaming in your shorts over Apple. Get a room!

Apple was an absolute failed tech company, your visionary Steve Jobs was FIRED at one point. Are we forgetting that? Apple failed to achieve even a modest share in their own market, and you call that a success. In the real world that's called failure.

Apple went from failing at PC innovation to creating a rockstar hipster movement to sell consumer devices which, at the end of the day, are disposable toys Takin.

Apple didn't create mobile devices or innovate them. The technology just simply didn't exist for them to come out sooner by anyone else. The REAL innovators are Samsung and others, who without their microchip and display technologies, modern mobile devices like the iPhone could NOT exist.

quote:
I for one would LOVE this future, where I can just take my phone to a dock and run Starcraft 2 or something else like that, how awesome would that be?


That would be cool, but it's not very realistic. Like Tony and other Apple fans, you assume some "paradigm shift" is occurring and the world is moving to mobile devices. Wrong. If you have a phone powerful enough to dock with a device and run Starcraft 2, then think about how advanced desktop PC's will be as well. Or do you honestly think they're just going to go away? Please.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 1:20:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Okay admit it, you're actually Tony or Pirks aren't you? I mean come on man, I can practically hear you creaming in your shorts over Apple. Get a room!


Nope. I have some Mac stuff for work but I'm mainly a PC guy. Swash and macdevdude in particular are way too fanboy for me, super super annoying, but you're honestly just as annoying and biased going off in the other direction.

You'll be hard pressed to find someone who likes Windows Phone 7 or the Amazon Kindle more than I do. Just because I think that Android is half-ass (which it is) doesn't mean that I'm a full blown Apple fanboy either.

Fanboy extremists of any stripe bug me, and you're definitely one of the most brainwashed "anti" Apple trolls I've seen.

Fact of the matter is that Microsoft, Apple, lots of these companies make lots of good products, and I'm happy to partake in all of them. Talking about how great Jobs was does NOT make someone a deluded fanboy, they're just stating reality.

But please, feel free to go to this Android fansite and tell these pro-Android people who are universally praising Jobs how deluded they are, I'm sure they would love to be enlightened by you: http://phandroid.com/2011/10/05/breaking-steve-job...


RE: RIP
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/6/2011 6:11:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The smartphone will likely be the PC, in that you plug it in with a cable (or it even docks wirelessly) and all of your other desktop interfaces (large monitor, keyboard, etc) are driven by the smartphone.
Yes, it's been done for the most part.

http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/motorola-...


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 11:27:50 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm aware of the Atrix: http://youtu.be/MZEdxqZt6uw

I'm talking about a time when this will be done well and not as a useless toy gimmick on a bad phone. :)


RE: RIP
By FreeTard on 10/7/2011 2:04:16 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully I didn't miss out on the chance at a zinger...

Is anybody else concerned that the price of a funeral just went up? Now that Jobs has died, I expect Apple to patent the coffin and sue anybody who uses one.


RE: RIP
By mrillatheone on 10/13/2011 2:35:52 PM , Rating: 2
Let's not turn this into a debate about corporations, people!

We should be celebrating Steve's life and the crazy gadgets and inventions he gave to us.

www.pixt.com/remembersteve Look at all these fan tributes to the man himself. Some of the tributes are crazy inventive!


Say what you want but...
By tayb on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Say what you want but...
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 8:54:47 PM , Rating: 5
Ignore the trolls on this forum

All the Android forums I've visited have nothing but respect for Mr. Jobs. Rightly so.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Camikazi on 10/5/2011 9:32:44 PM , Rating: 5
That is true, most everyone respects what Jobs did, he did do some incredible things, but most just dislike the things his company did, the lawsuits and all else. Disliking the company does not mean they have no respect for him, he really was a genius and did a lot to make computers and laptops and smart phones everyday things for all of us. I really don't wanna think how far back we would still be if he was not around.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 9:48:39 PM , Rating: 5
Yep. Most of the comments here say it all:

http://phandroid.com/2011/10/05/breaking-steve-job...

It's a sad fact of life. All these innovators will be dead and gone. It's up to us now to carry the legacy and advance forward. Work and study hard.


RE: Say what you want but...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 10:11:35 PM , Rating: 3
Interesting that Phandroid commentors are completely respectful and even acknowledges that Android wouldn't be what it is without iOS laying the groundwork, while over here you have some people making incredibly disrespectful comments and downvoting some very good ones.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 10:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
Not just at Phandroid, but pretty much every tech site there is. Even at engadget people, for the most part, are respectful.

No one can deny that he was one of the pioneers in computing.


RE: Say what you want but...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/2011 10:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I take that back, DT has gotten much much worse than HOCP FP forums over the last few months.


RE: Say what you want but...
By RjBass on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Say what you want but...
By GulWestfale on 10/5/2011 10:32:45 PM , Rating: 1
steve jobs, pioneer of charging people double for computers with half the performance of real PCs, has died. he will not be buried in a normal grave, as his body is incompatible with the standard graves that everyone else uses. he will be sorely missed by people who know nothing about computers, yet fancy themselves experts, the world over.

RIP. now who am i going to make fun of?


RE: Say what you want but...
By slunkius on 10/6/2011 12:44:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
RIP. now who am i going to make fun of?


yourself as a "writer" maybe?


RE: Say what you want but...
By GulWestfale on 10/6/2011 8:23:15 AM , Rating: 2
:)
it pays the bills, you know?


RE: Say what you want but...
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 11:04:15 PM , Rating: 2
Many of the Android and WP7 fans are being respectful there as well.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Solandri on 10/6/2011 12:10:11 AM , Rating: 4
A lot of people may be too young to really appreciate the impact Jobs (and Apple and Woz) had on computing in the 1970s and 1980s. Before the IBM PC, before the Commodore 64, a personal computer was an Apple ][. Apple may have turned evil lately, but between mass marketing the personal computer, the GUI, the mouse, postscript printing, point and click, drag and drop, WYSIWYG, and on and on, it's undeniable that Apple (and Jobs) had a huge influence in shaping computing into what it is today.

Sure most of those things eventually would have come to be anyway, but not until years later. It was Apple, Woz, and especially Jobs who recognized their importance and brought them to mass market first. The world has lost a visionary.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Omega215D on 10/6/2011 12:43:55 AM , Rating: 3
Well... to be fair it was Xerox and even Ivan Sutherland were responsible for GUI and modern mice (trackball mouse was created before that). Steve Jobs and Wozniak just pushed it out and marketed it in a timely manner.

Hopefully Woz will be remembered when his time comes instead of a passing footnote in history.


RE: Say what you want but...
By croc on 10/6/2011 1:20:29 AM , Rating: 5
Jobs influential? Yes, Wozniak built a good computer - Jobs marketed it. And marketed it well. Wozniak has never really been credited with his place in personal computer history, designing good machines (some would even say revolutionary) at 'affordable' prices. Affordable, that is, if you consider 1/2 the price of a new car as affordable...

Jobs was never allowed into the engineering side of the business until the Apple Lisa... That went well, eh? Of further note, when Jobs was forced out of apple entirely, he started NeXT Inc. The jobsian-directed engineering approach once again did real well... And not even the jobsian marketing could turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. He then started Pixar, and finally the marketing and management skills of Jobs produced a sort-of winner. (At least he didn't lose his ass...) And then Jobs returned to Apple. The rest, as they say, is history. Much revised, but history nonetheless.

Job's (authorized) biography will occupy a place on a bookshelf right next to Cheney's memoirs, and that bookshelf will not be near me. (But I might actually check both books out at the library for a look at how history is re-written by two of the 20th century's greatest egomaniacs.)

Jobs, in death, will probably be remembered far more kindly than he should have been.

Suffice it to say, I am not a great Jobs fan. I do have a lot of time for the forgotten Steve and would gladly read his version of how things actually were 'back in the day'.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/6/2011 8:34:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Pixar began in 1979 as the Graphics Group, part of the Computer Division of Lucasfilm before it was acquired by Apple co-founder Steve Jobs in 1986. The Walt Disney Company bought Pixar in 2006 at a valuation of $7.4 billion; the transaction made Jobs the largest shareholder in Disney.
he didn't start pixar, he bought it from lucas films.


RE: Say what you want but...
By croc on 10/6/2011 4:32:10 PM , Rating: 2
"quote:
Pixar began in 1979 as the Graphics Group, part of the Computer Division of Lucasfilm before it was acquired by Apple co-founder Steve Jobs in 1986. The Walt Disney Company bought Pixar in 2006 at a valuation of $7.4 billion; the transaction made Jobs the largest shareholder in Disney.
he didn't start pixar, he bought it from lucas films."

Jobs BOUGHT Lucas' Graphics Group. He promptly re-named it Pixar, amid a much larger shakeup of that entity, so it is indeed fair to say that he STARTED Pixar.


RE: Say what you want but...
By room200 on 10/6/2011 12:06:36 AM , Rating: 2
You only learn things after someone dies; I did not know he had ANYTHING to do with Pixar studios. I now see that he acquired the studio in 1979 and was the largest shareholder of Disney!!!!! WTF??


RE: Say what you want but...
By Samus on 10/6/2011 4:13:51 AM , Rating: 1
I recommend everybody with 48 minutes watch the amazing bloomberg documentary from 2010 covering Steve Jobs' life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgiEG-NsAB0


RE: Say what you want but...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/9/2011 1:29:57 PM , Rating: 2
He bought it in 86


RE: Say what you want but...
By karlostomy on 10/5/2011 10:34:23 PM , Rating: 3
How sad that the death of Steve Jobs has been used on here as an excuse to bash Android fanboys.

Shame on you.

I am sorry to see a fellow human being pass before his time.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Noya on 10/6/11, Rating: -1
RE: Say what you want but...
By Rinadien on 10/6/2011 10:29:08 AM , Rating: 1
Thank you for revealing to everyone just how big of an idiot you truly are.


RE: Say what you want but...
By BSMonitor on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: Say what you want but...
By bupkus on 10/6/2011 9:55:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I am sorry to see a fellow human being pass before his time.
Yes, indeed.


RE: Say what you want but...
By thisisaname on 10/5/2011 11:17:45 PM , Rating: 4
Why mourn over someone who bought their way to the top of the donor list to get their liver, at possibly the cost of another human life?
Sorry, but someone that does that is a scumbag.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/h...


RE: Say what you want but...
By B3an on 10/5/2011 11:49:49 PM , Rating: 4
He also screwed over his best friend Wozniak. The real brains behind Apple when it started.

"Jobs returned to his previous job at Atari and was given the task of creating a circuit board for the game Breakout. According to Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $700 (instead of the actual $5000) and that Wozniak's share was thus $350 "

It's disgusting that people pay Jobs respect, he dont deserve it.


RE: Say what you want but...
By slunkius on 10/6/11, Rating: -1
RE: Say what you want but...
By thisisaname on 10/6/2011 1:07:03 AM , Rating: 4
According to one inflation calculator I just found, $2,500 in 1975 is equivalent to $10,015.69 in 2010. That is no small sum of money as a young adult trying to make it in the world. In contrast, $350 back then is equal to $1,402.20. That's quite a bit of difference, especially for someone who stayed up 4 nights in a row with no sleep working hard on Breakout.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Gondor on 10/6/2011 6:29:23 AM , Rating: 5
It's not about money - it's about the kind of person he was.

He will be remembered for spawning the most obnoxious patent troll the industry has seen, for screwing obver his friend, for taking undue credits for various inventions, for being a pretentious self-centered adopted bastard. The only thing he did well was to grab even more money ... for him.

Good riddance, no more magic dust for you.

Many people who deserve our respect far more than him die each day, yet nobody takes notice but their immediate family.


RE: Say what you want but...
By Natch on 10/6/2011 2:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
He may have been a visionary, for seeing what possibilities existed in technology, but let's face it.....all the actual technological ingenuity (i.e.-actually figuring out how to make it work) was done by others. And from what I understand, he was pretty much a pain in the ass to work for, as he would NOT take "it can't be done" for an answer.


RE: Say what you want but...
By someguy123 on 10/6/2011 3:02:31 PM , Rating: 4
You know, people are always quick to say that he was a visionary, yet while Wozniak and the rest of the guys at apple were busy designing and building computers, Steve was in his office complaining that the apple 3 was too loud, and eventually causing the whole overheating debacle, tarnishing apple's name.

People forget that this man was a big reason for the downfall of apple and rightfully fired years ago. With his return I see no change in his business sense or computer knowledge. It seems more like, again, the brilliant minds at apple were forward thinking and purchased the ipod from Tony Fadell, developed a sleek marketing campaign (no one man is behind a marketing campaign), made the company relevant, and again Steve strolled on stage to take all of the credit.

There's no reason to feel joy over his death, but I don't find Jobs to be someone worth mourning.


RE: Say what you want but...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/8/2011 7:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
How do you feel about Bill Gates trying to screw Paul Allen out of his shares and cut him out of the business because he had cancer and felt he wasn't working hard enough?


RE: Say what you want but...
By blankslate on 10/10/2011 2:18:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
How do you feel about Bill Gates trying to screw Paul Allen out of his shares and cut him out of the business because he had cancer and felt he wasn't working hard enough?


That was worse than the few grand... However, I don't think that Windows fans are going to engage in an attempt to elevate Bill Gates to Saintly status after he dies.


RE: Say what you want but...
By 2bdetermine on 10/6/2011 2:40:05 AM , Rating: 2
I didn’t mean to be sarcastic; after all you’re living the American dreams.


RE: Say what you want but...
By robinthakur on 10/6/11, Rating: -1
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 5:45:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is my last comment on Dailytech, reading negative comments on an obituary is utterly depressing and tells us quite a bit about how disconnected some of you lot have become from decency.


Disconnected not only from decency, but also from reality.


RE: Say what you want but...
By safcman84 on 10/6/2011 5:35:39 AM , Rating: 4
Steve Jobs was one of best public speakers of a generation, and a fantastic CEO. My thoughts are with his family. RIP.

However, "one of the great technological revolutionarys, a man who changed the world in a massive way" is just plain wrong.

How did he change the world? the iProducts? We still phone, use sms and send email now, and we did it before the iProducts were designed by Apple's design team (not Jobs himself). So unless you by profoundly changing the world, you mean the ability to easily access facebook anywhere, anytime from a phone using a dedicated App....
The Apple II ? nope, didnt profoundly change the world either (and he come up with it anyway).

For Bloomberg to compare him to Einstein and Edison is insane.

Most people wont be able to tell you who invented the internal combustion engine, something which did "profoundly change the world", so Jobs has no chance of being remembered for more than a few years by the general public (unless, perhaps, you study public speaking and business).

Steve Jobs was a great CEO in a line of Great CEOs which came before him, and will come after him. Nothing more, nothing less.


RIP
By some1new on 10/5/2011 8:12:22 PM , Rating: 3
Wow. Some reason I was just thinking about him in my head today with the whole Apple iphone release and stuff and suddenly I thought about his health and wondered how he was doing and now I read this.

I never really agreed with his business practices but he contributed a lot.

RIP Steve Jobs. Suffer no more.




RE: RIP
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 8:38:39 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, I felt like something was wrong after seeing yesterday's product announcements. As if it was being held back a bit by something unfortunate. What matters is that he got to see his baby flourish.


RE: RIP
By MrBlastman on 10/5/2011 9:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
And now it ALL MAKES SENSE!

iPhone 4S... iPhone... For Steve.

RIP Steve. I didn't like you that much, hated your products but damnit, I still have some respect in me for what you accomplished. Many men could hope to achieve a speck of what you did.


RE: RIP
By Autisticgramma on 10/6/2011 4:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
+1


RE: RIP
By Hiawa23 on 10/5/2011 8:43:38 PM , Rating: 2
Sad to see anyone die & to me he is no more important than anyone else who has died from cancer. We all got an expiration date, looks like he made the most of his time here.


RE: RIP
By sgtdisturbed47 on 10/5/2011 9:39:02 PM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the same thing last night and today. The announcement, for some reason, had a somber feel to it, almost a foreboding feeling.

Apple and the world has lost a great tech genius, but there is much more to come from Apple. Steve Jobs planted seeds of inspiration, and they will soon flower forth into new innovation.

Suffer no more, Mr. Jobs. The brilliant minds at Apple that you mentored can take it from here.


RE: RIP
By drycrust3 on 10/6/11, Rating: -1
RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 12:57:04 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
If anyone had said that the iPhone was one of the most important products to be introduced to the market in the first 10 years of this century I would have been skeptical, but the fact is it was.


I really hope this is a joke. Define "importance" please. A consumer toy, which is what a smartphone is, is the most important product in an entire decade?

If that's true no wonder we're stagnating as a culture and society. When Angry Birds playing devices are "important" products...


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: RIP
By drycrust3 on 10/6/11, Rating: -1
RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 3:18:47 AM , Rating: 1
Maybe. Cognitive dissonance and denial are powerful things. I'm sure that people in the 80s who used CLI and called PCs with a GUI "toys" now say that they loved them all along. The same people who dismiss new technology come to embrace it all the time, even delude themselves into thinking they "got it" all along.


RE: RIP
By Gondor on 10/6/2011 7:18:31 AM , Rating: 1
Disconnection with reality is a powerful thing too.

People in the 80s, who dismissed the 80s GUIs as toys, yet use 2010-era GUI today, would break out in laughter if asked to use the 80s GUI today. It's just the likes of you who salivate over 80s GUIs and claim to use them on a regular basis.

I mean you do use Windows 1.0 today and knew it was the best thing after elderberry vinegar all along, right ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Wind...


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 1:37:40 PM , Rating: 1
Windows was garbage until 3.0 (3.1, really), it's why I used DOS until then. Just because Microsoft took six years to reach parity with MacOS doesn't mean that the GUI concept was flawed.

It was clearly the way of the future, and the point is that there were people who refused to believe that the GUI would amount to anything. The same thing is happening with new mobile UI paradigms and devices that everyone is figuring out right now. Will desktop and mobile be discreet operating systems, will they merge, will it even matter? Nobody knows for sure, but Microsoft, Apple, and everyone else is trying to figure it out and it is pretty exciting.

Whatever the final methods end up being, the fact of the matter is that these devices and interfaces will reach an even greater number of users than the desktop paradigm that has been around for almost thirty years did. Devices will be even cheaper and easier to use while being just as capable for the needs of most people. Those that are dismissing it now will be living with it in twenty years, much in the same way the CLI people did in regards to the GUI. Just because it is in its infancy doesn't mean that it is irrelevant.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 3:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Whatever the final methods end up being, the fact of the matter is that these devices and interfaces will reach an even greater number of users than the desktop paradigm that has been around for almost thirty years did.


Amazing. How insightful of you. Is this your idea of revelation? Desktops aren't mobile, so of course mobile devices are huge and will continue to be. Who's arguing the opposite?

I'm not sure if your reading comprehension is just terrible or you actually don't understand the argument here. But if it makes you feel good stating the obvious and pretending you're a visionary for it, knock yourself out. Do me a favor, say "paradigm" about 4 more times today. Because being a Tony impersonator on Daily Tech is getting you really far.

The only shortsighted one I see here is you, who views mobile devices and desktops as being somehow mutually exclusive. Or that some new "paradigm" shift is taking place, instead of the reality which is simply growth in one area, not a stagnation in the other.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 10:30:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The only shortsighted one I see here is you, who views mobile devices and desktops as being somehow mutually exclusive.


Reading comprehension Leroy, this whole time I've been talking about the convergence of these things.

I know generations of inbreeding has put a ceiling on your mental and learning capacity, but please try to keep up.


RE: RIP
By Paj on 10/6/2011 7:43:35 AM , Rating: 3
I agree with you from a hardware perspective, but you have to give Apple credit for popularising the concept of the app store and creating an excellent UX and UI that enabled the mass market to consider phones as desirable.

Smartphone apps are at the stage where webdesign was 15 years ago. Its creating entirely new industries, new companies, new opportunities.

Were they the first to do it? No, but they did it better than anyone else had up until that point. Would this have happened without the iphone? Quite probably, but not as quickly or been as widespread.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 1:47:53 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. "First to invent something" is overrated, execution is what matters. Thomas Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, but he made it commercially viable and easy to mass produce. Apple didn't invent the component technologies in their products, but they are generally the first to execute complete products properly and make them accessible. Evidence is that they consistently set the template from which nearly every other tech company copies or iterates upon.

Jim Allchin's (executive in charge of Windows, Windows server, etc) memo to Gates and Ballmer from 2004, long before Apple became dominant, really says everything that needs to regarding their level of execution and how it pushed everyone else to achieve better: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2007/01/10/jim...


RE: RIP
By someguy123 on 10/6/2011 3:16:44 PM , Rating: 1
Good execution? Oh yeah?

Seems you've forgotten the lisa, mac portable, Pippin, newton, eworld, mobileme, hell I think they had a phone at one point even before the iphone.

They've definitely hit the special sauce with the iproducts, but they're far from being the best at execution.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 4:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seems you've forgotten the lisa, mac portable, Pippin, newton, eworld, mobileme, hell I think they had a phone at one point even before the iphone.


Hell that's just a few, we could go on and on. The man, for such a "visionary" has been wrong SO many times. Remember when he was adamant that keyboards "should not have arrow keys"? Seriously wtf Jobs, why wouldn't you want arrow keys on a keyboard and why is that even an issue to you?

Oh and here's a recent one you left out, Apple TV. A complete and utter FAILURE.


RE: RIP
By someguy123 on 10/6/2011 4:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
Right. They hit the jackpot with the ipod, but they've had incredible amounts of flatfaced failures.

People hate on other companies for their failures and never let them live it down....but for some reason nobody remembers any of apple's failed experiments.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 4:25:02 PM , Rating: 2
iPod only made it big because of iTunes. As a stand alone device it was okay. But who knew there were THAT many idiots out there willing to pay a dollar for an MP3 they could get for free. Even better too stupid to rip a CD into MP3 so they bought the whole CD over again on iTunes. Morons.


RE: RIP
By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 10:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
It is probably because their successes have far exceeded their failures.

Every company has failures, it is unavoidable. Microsoft, Google, they've all made colossal blunders and mistakes, but it doesn't at all diminish the good and successful products that they have made.

And yes, execution obviously still stands, if it wasn't the case then you wouldn't have every major tech in the world looking at Apple for products to iterate upon. It's even as simple as notebooks, Apple was the first to push the keyboard back to make palmrests and put a pointing device in the center (initially a trackball, then a touchpad). I used Windows for a decade longer than I did OS X, and even I recognize the influence it made on Windows post-XP. The Jim Allchin memo (chief Windows architect at the time) is simple proof that they were obviously paying attention.

It is so funny, this seems to be the only place on the internet where people truly believe that Apple doesn't matter.


RE: RIP
By troysavary on 10/7/2011 12:32:56 PM , Rating: 2
I thought we were talking Steve Jobs' achievements here? The PowerBook, while innovating laptop designed, was released when Steve ded not even work at Apple. He had absolutely nothing to do with it.

On that note, Steve had little to do with Pixar's success. After buying it for next to nothing from Lucas, he ran it into the ground by trying to make the company into a hardware vendor. (hmm, after being ousted from Apple, he failed again at being a computer maker. It wasn't until Lassiter came up with the idea of presenting one of his demo animations at a film festival to large acclaim that Disney contracted them to produce 3 movies. After a dispute with Disney over rights, Disney decided to buy Pixar.

You keep bringing up next. That was another utter failure. next sold something like 50k computers total, and would be a foornote if Apple had not bought them because they needed a new OS and next had already put a GUI on BSD.

What Jobs seemed the best at doing was taking credit for other peoples' work.


RE: RIP
By Reclaimer77 on 10/7/2011 12:46:11 PM , Rating: 2
Takin has pretty much taken (no pun) a stance that if it has a circuit board in it, we owe it's existence to Steve Jobs. That's basically what he's saying here. So while you're correct on everything you say, it's not going to matter much to him.


....
By Joz on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: ....
By thetruth81 on 10/5/2011 8:06:27 PM , Rating: 2
being an A-hole like that I'm sure many people will celebrate your death.

RIP Steve Jobs


RE: ....
By Joz on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: ....
By thetruth81 on 10/5/2011 8:13:04 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe you should try to stop hating on people and do something with you life. Try to get yourself a good job so you can stop running up my taxes..


RE: ....
By Spuke on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: ....
By Nfarce on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: ....
By Jereb on 10/5/2011 8:08:46 PM , Rating: 1
Poor taste mate,


RE: ....
By solarrocker on 10/5/2011 8:15:05 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, no, just.. no..


RE: ....
By BillyBatson on 10/5/2011 8:39:01 PM , Rating: 2
I thought this was hilarious!!!!!

You guys all act like he was your grandfather and passed away!!!!!! I knew a guy who was a complete dick to everyone beat his gf and stole from his job. He went to a party hit on the wrong girl started a fight and got shot in the head... Did he deserve to die? No.... But that day forward only nice things were said about him... Why?!?!? Just cuz he is dead?! HYPOCRITES!!!!!

The fact is no one is perfect.... But this man gave us inferior marked up products, treats his customers like we are morons and everything needs to be dumbed down for us, had one of the most policing tech company for long time, never helped the world like Bill and Malinda gates are doing, and SO MUCH MORE! sure he did some GREAT things as well, but doesn't mean we should all blindly love and rest him now that he is dead. You like him FINE, others like me DON'T and his death won't change that.
So unless he is your blood family no one should get offended at anything that is said about him!!!

Down with the sith ;)


RE: ....
By DigitalFreak on 10/5/2011 8:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
No kidding. The reality distortion field hasn't faded yet.


RE: ....
By Ringold on 10/5/2011 9:00:12 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of comments are actually, if you look between the lines a bit, saying "While I personally didn't feel like over-paying for your products, I respect your achievements."

Which is true. There's no reality distortion field when it comes to Apple briefly being the most valuable public company in the US earlier (and I assume, by extension, the most valuable public firm in the world). He came in to the company in 97, stopped it from falling in to the hole it was circling, and lead it there. That's huge. Books about how he managed it will be written for decades.

How many very well paid jobs did he create and maintain at their Cupertino campus?

The Sith Lord thing resonates only in one way: in Adam Smith and Wealth of Nations. By way of his incredible drive to be successful, Steve made the people around him, his country, and the world richer.


RE: ....
By theapparition on 10/5/2011 11:17:32 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is in no way the most valuable public company in the US, or the world. It is the most valuable TECH company. Just wanted to clarify that for you.


RE: ....
By Ringold on 10/6/2011 1:06:44 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, you're wrong, earlier this year it briefly (during a single trading day I believe) surpassed Exxon Mobil in market cap, making it, very briefly, the worlds most valuable public company. If you thought I meant it still is most valuable, you're right, it's 2nd or a close 3rd.

At the moment, it's only a tiny bit behind XOM, couple billion if I recall.


RE: ....
By kdogg4536 on 10/6/2011 2:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, 8/9/2011.

NEW YORK -- Apple briefly surpassed Exxon Mobil on Tuesday as the nation's most valuable company.

The iPhone and iPad maker had the lead for much of the afternoon before its stock closed just behind Exxon's. The two companies are so close that Apple is likely to keep the top spot soon

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/09/apple-pas...


RE: ....
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 7:33:40 PM , Rating: 2
Market cap doesn't make you "valuable". It simply means Apple's stock is completely overvalued.

If you think consumer toys are more important than crude oil...


RE: ....
By JoJoman88 on 10/6/2011 12:33:16 AM , Rating: 2
No, the reality distortion field starts at Apple and covers the whole world! We are just the helpless by-standers that can see it at work on others.


RE: ....
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: ....
By TakinYourPoints on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: ....
By Joz on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: ....
By amanojaku on 10/5/2011 8:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
No, you just showed how low a person can go. I disagreed with nearly everything Jobs did, but I never felt the man deserved to die before his time. People like you make bade enemies, and worse friends.


RE: ....
By Jereb on 10/5/2011 8:47:21 PM , Rating: 1
Joz earns the ire and disrespect of the community,

Well done Joz, here's a high five for being a douche.

Now go back under your bridge.


RE: ....
By LordSojar on 10/5/2011 8:52:06 PM , Rating: 2
You guys are all way too pc about this... it's not a crime to hate the guy and not mourn his death. Some people are just really bad people... he was one of them. I won't lose any sleep over it.


RE: ....
By Jereb on 10/5/2011 9:02:13 PM , Rating: 3
I didn't like where he took apple but that doesn't mean he was a "really bad person".

I would say that "really bad people" are those with no compassion. Welcome to this category.


RE: ....
By Ringold on 10/5/2011 9:03:25 PM , Rating: 2
Not about if he was good or evil, imo. It's about respect, and his achievements warrant it. Has the OP taken a failing company and created a global brand that rakes in billions? I doubt it.


RE: ....
By DigitalFreak on 10/5/2011 9:08:05 PM , Rating: 1
Just because some dude made a shit-load of money doesn't mean they deserve respect.


RE: ....
By Jereb on 10/5/2011 9:18:01 PM , Rating: 2
That maybe, but he probably deserves more than a "glad your dead" from the OP.


RE: ....
By Leo300 on 10/5/2011 10:13:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not an apple fan and I wouldn't say he was a bad person. He's in the industry to make money, and that's what he did. He supplied a service/product to the public. Just because people bought it and accepted the service/product his company had on offer does not make him a bad person just a very smart business minded on.


RE: ....
By StraightCashHomey on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: ....
By Joz on 10/5/2011 9:18:23 PM , Rating: 2
Does that make you a cloud of flies?


not sad
By NellyFromMA on 10/5/2011 8:27:44 PM , Rating: 5
I don't think Steve Jobs would want anyone mourning over him. Celebrate his contributions if nothing else. Intelligent man.




RE: not sad
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 8:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed.


RE: not sad
By The Doodsky on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: not sad
By StraightCashHomey on 10/5/2011 9:07:28 PM , Rating: 2
Karma will own you one day.


RE: not sad
By lagomorpha on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: not sad
By lagomorpha on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: not sad
By thisisaname on 10/5/2011 10:02:37 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not sad either.


RE: not sad
By priusone on 10/5/2011 10:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
While people come and people go, it's the ones that are left behind that will continue to suffer. I hope for them a speedy recovery.


RE: not sad
By sorry dog on 10/5/2011 11:07:23 PM , Rating: 5
It may be poor taste...but I can help but wonder...

If Jobs will be cremated or if he will be buried in a black minimalist rectangle with no buttons.


RE: not sad
By lagomorpha on 10/6/2011 9:35:51 AM , Rating: 2
Knowing him probably frozen and shot into an orbital capsule to be brought back to earth when a cure is found.


RE: not sad
By bearweb on 10/6/2011 10:14:30 AM , Rating: 2
He won't be cremated, that would require flash.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/5/2011 9:33:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Michelle and I are saddened to learn of the passing of Steve Jobs. Steve was among the greatest of American innovators - brave enough to think differently, bold enough to believe he could change the world, and talented enough to do it.

By building one of the planet's most successful companies from his garage, he exemplified the spirit of American ingenuity. By making computers personal and putting the internet in our pockets, he made the information revolution not only accessible, but intuitive and fun. And by turning his talents to storytelling, he has brought joy to millions of children and grownups alike. Steve was fond of saying that he lived every day like it was his last. Because he did, he transformed our lives, redefined entire industries, and achieved one of the rarest feats in human history: he changed the way each of us sees the world.

The world has lost a visionary. And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented. Michelle and I send our thoughts and prayers to Steve's wife Laurene, his family, and all those who loved him.




By Donkeyshins on 10/5/2011 11:34:10 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Dude Brandon...bad form man. Really bad form.

Oh please, give it a fucking rest, Reclaimer. This isn't the forum to air your hatred of Obama and liberals, it's about the death of Steve Jobs (who, love him or hate him, was a huge figure in computing and technology).


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/6/2011 2:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
Here's a list of all of the statements by people in tech, politics, and various other industries:

http://m.gizmodo.com/5847151/reactions-to-steve-jo...

Why don't you tell us in your infinite wisdom which responses are worthy and which aren't...


By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 3:23:54 AM , Rating: 1
You may not know this but Reclaimer is from the Appalachians, so you nailed that part pretty quickly


By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 1:08:55 PM , Rating: 1
This is the third time you have made a regional attack on me, and it's as effective as ever. Not. Not sure why you need to get personal here because I don't kiss the ass of your God, Steve Jobs, but I've never even BEEN to the Appalachia's. And I'm not even from Charlotte, I just live here now. Even if I was, so what? Could you possibly BE more petty.

Now to the other guy, that's so wrong I don't even know where to begin. If Obama isn't a Leftist I'm Tom Cruise.


By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 1:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
By Reclaimer77 on 10/6/2011 3:24:32 PM , Rating: 2
LOL you're a really bad troll. 2/10.


By TakinYourPoints on 10/6/2011 10:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
And you're an ignorant redneck who believes that Obama, who is completely in the pockets of big business and Wall Street, is a socialist.


By Cheesew1z69 on 10/9/2011 1:45:38 PM , Rating: 2
Calling someone else an ignorant redneck, I am going to assume you are just as ignorant.


Siri
By DigitalFreak on 10/5/2011 8:50:15 PM , Rating: 2
I bet they have his brain hooked up somewhere in their new datacenter. Steve Jobs = Siri!




RE: Siri
By thisisaname on 10/5/2011 8:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps he is the real father of Skynet. Since he can't rule the world through his crappy products, now he can through force! Beware the terminator.


RE: Siri
By moenkopi on 10/5/2011 10:51:41 PM , Rating: 2
Well, that is coincidental that he died the day after the 4S release, maybe they are implanting him into the SIRI cloud.


RIP Steve
By digitalreflex on 10/5/2011 8:06:39 PM , Rating: 3
Even if you didn't like Apple, you had to like that he helped push products to be better, like the AMD to Intel, which in turn sends better products to the consumer.




RE: RIP Steve
By Bostlabs on 10/6/2011 11:00:27 AM , Rating: 2
I agree DF.

I am certainly not a fan of Apple or of Jobs, but I give him props on what he did do. He did it well.

It will be interesting to see what transpires next.

R.I.P. Steve Jobs.


By Mitch101 on 10/5/2011 8:21:39 PM , Rating: 5
http://allthingsd.com/20111005/bill-gates-i-will-m...

I’m truly saddened to learn of Steve Jobs’ death. Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to his family and friends, and to everyone Steve has touched through his work.

Steve and I first met nearly 30 years ago, and have been colleagues, competitors and friends over the course of more than half our lives.

The world rarely sees someone who has had the profound impact Steve has had, the effects of which will be felt for many generations to come.

For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it’s been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely.




He gave his life to Apple
By Sylar on 10/5/2011 8:56:40 PM , Rating: 3
Seriously... I figured he would quit well in advance of his demise but a month is crazy. That's dedication.




RE: He gave his life to Apple
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 10:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
Apple was his baby I guess. He got to watch it grow when he took back the helm.

I gotta admit, these guys know how to make tasteful jokes and remain respectful:

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/10/06/000211/st...


Sad
By DigitalFreak on 10/5/2011 9:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
When William Shatner dies, I'll be sad.




RE: Sad
By FITCamaro on 10/5/2011 10:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
Ever since the end of Boston Legal, I've had a lot less respect for Shatner. That show became nothing more than a Democrat Party ad.


Made me think of my brother and mum
By Tony Swash on 10/6/2011 7:31:51 AM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs death made me sad, it reminded me of when John Lennon died. Someone you don't personally know but who has loomed large and been in important in your life passes and it somehow stirs up all the grief from the past, from those you have lost.

It made me think of my dear brother who died suddenly at the ridiculously young age of 39 and of my mum who also died far too young. I think losing someone close is one of those rights of passage in life. Until you lose someone close you don't realise just how real and final death is and how precious and fragile life is. How important it is to enjoy everyday.

Best wishes and good health to everyone on this forum. I mean that deeply




RE: Made me think of my brother and mum
By thisisaname on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
By Tony Swash on 10/6/2011 10:57:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Don't even compare Jobs to John Lennon. John Lennon atleast spoke out on social issues, and tried to affect those around him. Jobs, with all of his wealth, never even spoke out on social issues or even donated any of his wealth to charity. I don't care what you say about your idol, but he was a douchebag that only cared about himself and his precious Apple.


So you are not just a turd but a stupid turd. Anybody with an ounce of brain power would have realised that I was talking about my feelings about John Lennon dying compared to my feelings about Steve Jobs dying and my emotions. Geez - words fail me.


ban
By voodoochile123 on 10/9/2011 1:37:21 AM , Rating: 2
This would be a good opportunity to IP ban all the nasty people on this site.




RE: ban
By blankslate on 10/9/2011 1:13:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This would be a good opportunity to IP ban all the nasty people on this site.


If they ip ban the nasty replies in this thread I propose that they also ban the ip addresses of people who are trying to apply posthomous Beatification to Mr. Jobs. He was a great competitor and he understood interfaces and how to make them elegant for non-technically minded people who wanted to use computers better than most.... However, he was not a Saint.


Dear Steve
By 325hhee on 10/5/2011 10:03:11 PM , Rating: 3
You're not living right.




So long
By xyn081s on 10/5/2011 10:04:37 PM , Rating: 3
I did not like apple products or tactics and hate the way they treat their competition. But still, RIP.

But, what I find funny, when I found this story, there is an ad on top of the story:

"This section brought to you by Sony VAIO® ..."

No comment :)




sad
By jithvk on 10/5/2011 8:01:06 PM , Rating: 2
really sad to hear this.




In before the trolls...
By wicktron on 10/5/2011 8:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for revolutionizing the personal computer, the music industry, and the mobile device industry, Steve.




Sad day indeed
By ATrigo on 10/5/2011 8:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
Whether we liked or disliked him, we have to recognize him as a great icon and leader in the industry. I'm no fan of Apple products and never use them; however, I do feel the loss of a leader whose legacy is so big and that has shaped and changed the consumer electronics and software industries forever. My condolences to his family and friends... my condolences to the industry.




Damn...
By Omega215D on 10/5/2011 8:12:38 PM , Rating: 2
We all knew this was going to happen soon after he stepped down from Apple but it's still quite shocking and a bit saddening to hear this.

Him and his company may have been arrogant but there's no denying he and others helped pushed computing in a different direction.

RIP




R.I.P Jobs
By KamiXkaze on 10/5/2011 8:13:02 PM , Rating: 2
Sad to see someone pass on like that rest in peace Steve Jobs.

KxK




He Made His Mark
By The Insolent One on 10/5/2011 8:19:41 PM , Rating: 2
He set out to change the world. And did.

Many people may choose to throw stones, but the way we all live our lives are different because of him.

Thanks for your vision and determination Steve.




For all the fanboys
By DigitalFreak on 10/5/2011 8:55:19 PM , Rating: 2
RIP
By Steve1981 on 10/5/2011 9:06:19 PM , Rating: 2
Rest in peace Steve, you will be missed.




dead?
By Beavermatic on 10/5/2011 9:41:23 PM , Rating: 2
I SIRI-ously doubt he's dead. Probably working on facetime from the beyond.. I'm certain we will see each other again!!!




R.I.P. Steve
By TheRealArdrid on 10/5/2011 10:07:26 PM , Rating: 2
While I can't say I've been a huge fan of Apple or Jobs' way of doing things, I can give him the credit and respect he deserves for innovating at times and saving Apple from the brink of destruction.

R.I.P. Steve.




By moenkopi on 10/5/2011 10:40:58 PM , Rating: 2
So god offed steve jobs in anger.




RIP Steve.
By ie5x on 10/5/2011 10:56:49 PM , Rating: 2
Even though I pity the greedy metamorphosis Apple went into to come out as an ugly mantis under his leadership, as a fellow human, my prayers are with his family at this time of grief. Like someone else said, being rich does not make one great.




Maybe am I only one wondering
By solarrocker on 10/5/2011 11:00:13 PM , Rating: 2
No disrespect to the man, he did many great things.

Just wondering what going to happen to apple and more so their stock.




Interesting thought
By moenkopi on 10/5/2011 11:00:50 PM , Rating: 2
That would be funny that at his funeral they bury a prototype iphone 5 and then 2 days later the undertaker finds his grave dug up and the iphone 5 prototype missing.




By Migraine on 10/5/2011 11:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
I have never been a Apple Fan , and though I Use a PC and Not a Mac, and a Android Phone Not an iPhone, It's clear that with out the mind of Steve Jobs many of the Tech Toys we have would not be here to day!

He was a Brilliant Man And with out him I am Sure Apple will Never be the same.

James Farmer




Theres a patent on death
By B3an on 10/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: Theres a patent on death
By thisisaname on 10/6/2011 3:20:34 PM , Rating: 2
Death? There's an app for that.


Servers....
By croc on 10/6/2011 12:17:51 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe now I can finish that server upgrade I started many years ago....




Rest in peace Steven Paul Jobs!!!
By atlmann10 on 10/6/2011 12:29:17 AM , Rating: 2
I don't really know what to say, the world has lost a great soul, a genius, and a visionary of technology if not of humanity in general. Sarah came downstairs earlier and asked me why I had not told her that he had passed, and I did not know what to say! A better man than me has passed this way, and from this place on this day, the world will be a lesser place for it. I wish the best to his family, children and various kindred spirits still left on it.




By BZDTemp on 10/6/2011 3:12:39 AM , Rating: 2
RIP Steve Jobs

Sad for his family but seeing at headlines in main stream media seems excessive.




Blame Obama...
By Arsynic on 10/6/2011 9:18:01 AM , Rating: 2
He's a Jobs killer...




By UsernameX on 10/6/2011 11:58:38 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you for all of your hard work, creative vision, dediciation and great ideas. Rest in peace Steve Jobs.




Sad
By borismkv on 10/6/2011 12:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
It's a sad day when a real business genius dies. I don't like Apple products or the way they do business, but it's undeniable that Jobs put the world of computing on the path that has brought it to where it is. Without his guidance Apple almost crumbled to dust and he was able to bring it back to a world leader in a few short years. It remains to be seen whether Apple can continue to see it amazing success without the Reality Distortion Field that Jobs emanated. If the lackluster response of the iPhone 4S is any indication, we may well have seen the best of Apple. It may take some time to truly set in, but I don't think Apple is going to be the same without Steve.




Deal With It.
By Autisticgramma on 10/6/2011 2:27:42 PM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs - Killed 6 years ago from liver failure. After many a zombie trial, it only took 2 Iphone 4S reviews to put down Zombie Jobs.




OK Serious one
By Autisticgramma on 10/6/2011 2:32:49 PM , Rating: 2
Steve's Biggest achievement was finding the place to stand and a stick long enough to force the music industry to accept the eStore as their platform of the future. Greatest moment? When Itunes started selling DRM free songs.

Richest company bleh iphone blah macbook air bleh etc. blah
Simple ohhh shiny sheep herding.

Additionally any walled garden platform is destined to be AOL. At least he didn't live long enough to see it.




By johnsmith9875 on 10/6/2011 3:13:04 PM , Rating: 2
For some reason that terrifies me.

I sure hope Steve Wozniak gets more face time at Apple, maybe he can put a fun playfulness back into the company that was lost.




Woooah
By just4U on 10/6/2011 4:49:37 PM , Rating: 2
That was my first impression on hearing this news. Perhaps it was expected by some.. Anyway, the man had some impact on this world or this would not be news here at DT. My condolences to his family.




To summarize it.......
By crystal clear on 10/6/2011 10:09:29 PM , Rating: 2
You got to be aware of the fact that every human being has its good/bad/ugly side of his life/character/personality - nobody is perfect.
None of you here have achieved even 1% of what Jobs has achieved in his lifetime,so you are just NOBODY/good for nothing, to criticise him & post all those negative comments.
Even the industry greats have good words for him & his achievements.
Those criticizing Jobs here have crossed all levels of decency & could be called Mentally Sick.......




By bryanW1995 on 10/7/2011 11:44:31 AM , Rating: 2
I never liked using them in school, I build my own PC's, the only decent thing I've ever had/seen from apple is my iphone 3gs, and even that has quickly become outdated.

But Steve Jobs was one bad mofo. I'm sorry I never got to meet him, and I hope that the company he built has continued success.




aol/huff
By Etern205 on 10/7/2011 12:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
Saw a comment by one of the Aol/huff post users saying something like this

quote:
We lost Steve Jobs, Bob Hope, and Johnny Cash.
Now we have no Jobs, no Hope, and no Cash
RIP Steve Jobs, Bob Hope, and Johnny Cash...LOL




The dead need freedom...
By M4gery on 10/7/2011 1:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
and our shovels will set them free!

Be prepared for apple's next innovation... the iZombie.




By callmeroy on 10/10/2011 10:27:05 AM , Rating: 2
First my honest and heart felt sympathies to Steve's family and whoeever else was truly closest to him.

Second, I'm not a raging Apple fan -- I do own a classic Ipod and a newer Ipod Touch (which never really leaves my car) - I think both products are fantastic and I use them daily or very close to daily.

That said I think Steve deserves respect , first and foremost my personal belief is you just respect the dead (with exceptions to that rule only if the dead is someone who was evil -> rapists, terrorists, serial killers, etc. - they deserve no respect) if its someone who lived a legal and "more right than wrong life" (about the best way I can state it)...they deserve peace upon their death and not to blasted or made fun of.

HOWEVER....(of course that was coming!) ... for as much as he did for the face of technology and Apple...I never was a fan of his hard nosed attitude and how he kept apple so "closed"...as popular as Apple computers are today they'd be arguably exponentially more popular if they had the same "model" as the PC...where you had any number of vendors making cases, motherboards, video cards, etc. and you could buy them and build your own just like a PC. That and the very poor gaming machines that Apple's make is what kept me from getting to engrossed with Apple computers.

*And PLEASE PLEASE someone argue that Apple's make great gaming machines...because I'm not JUST talking about some popular games running on an Apple....I'm talking about choice in parts and varied accessories...that enhance the gaming experience.

Anyway...that aside -- I do agree , in part, with Reclaimer (which is rare)...the fact someone is rich doesn't deserve sainthood.

As a human being -- I give my sympathies to his loved ones...

As a cyncial computer / IT enthusiast -- Meh...he gets a nod of respect for what he did with apple. But I do think a lot of people are over-stating it too.




Before the flame war begins...
By Quadrillity on 10/5/2011 9:32:30 PM , Rating: 1
Ok guys, I hate Apple just as much as the next guy, but this isn't the time for jokes or hate rants. Let's just pay him and his family some respect, and say farewell.




He died...
By Philippine Mango on 10/5/2011 9:59:57 PM , Rating: 1
Because everybody was dissapoint with the iPhone 4S....




:(
By dsx724 on 10/5/2011 10:46:27 PM , Rating: 1
Who can I hate on now? :'(
RIP Jobs, you were a noble adversary/asshole with vision.




I never ...
By FireSnake on 10/6/2011 2:13:07 AM , Rating: 1
... bought a single Apple product, but this man is a legend!!!




The empty chair
By Tony Swash on 10/6/2011 11:03:04 AM , Rating: 1
I wondered why the guys giving doing the presentations at the iPhone 4s event seemed somehow somber, why there was not the usual ebullient energy. Now we know. Their long time colleague, and I guess buddy, was at death's door.

They left an empty chair for him though…………

http://www.cultofmac.com/121223/steve-jobs-and-the...




W00t!
By BillyBatson on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: W00t!
By retrospooty on 10/5/2011 9:53:11 PM , Rating: 2
wow... that's low. I hope you don't have people cheering when you die.


RE: W00t!
By BillyBatson on 10/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: W00t!