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Apple claims Google's unified search, word suggestions, slide unlocking, and data tapping features are illegal

Apple, Inc. (AAPL) may have fared pretty badly of late, in terms of its lawsuit performance, scoring nothing but Pyrrhic victories and outright rejections [1][2][3][4] [5][6].  But the electronics maker is determined to kill its arch-nemesis Google Inc. (GOOG).  It has now filed a new major suit which looks to cripple Android Ice Cream Sandwich.

I. Apple Latest Attack Hits Ice Cream Sandwich

The core panzer in this patent blitzkrieg -- brought against Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KS:005930), and by proxy Google, in United States District Court for the Northern District of California -- is U.S. Patent No. 8,086,604.  Filed in 2011, and granted just after Christmas (Dec. 27), it describes a "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system." Apple is using the patent to attack the search features found within Android Ice Cream Sandwich

The suit specifically calls out Samsung's Galaxy Nexus smartphone, which was the first smartphone to carry the new version of Android.

A copy of the lawsuit can be found here.

II. The Return of the Touch Unlocking Patent

In the suit Apple also brings some familiar weapons to the table.  The four-patent suit is rounded out by U.S. Patent No. 8,046,721, which describes a method of "unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image"; U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647, which covers turnings phone numbers/addresses in actionable hyperlinks; and U.S. Patent No. 8,074,172, which covers voice search word suggestions.

We've discussed at length how a wealth of prior art with regard to slide unlock existed (and was seemingly ignored by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office).  It may be that the USPTO intended to only grant the patent on a narrow scope, but if that was the case, it will be crucial that the federal court recognize that and avoid giving Apple credit for a technology it clearly did not invent.

The data tapping patent was file in 1996 and granted in 1999.  It was not originally targeted at the mobile space.  Here, Google may again be able to defend itself via prior art.  Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Word 1997 used a similar method to recognize and generate hyperlinks, though it remains to be seen whether this would be similar enough to invalidate the patent.

Double tapping
Apple has already succeeded in banning some of HTC's handsets using its double-tapping patent.  Now it looks to do the same to Samsung. [Image Source: Droid-Life]

Both slide-to-unlock and the data tapping are relatively crucial, as they're features users have come to expect from smartphones.  Apple's hope is clearly to drive these features out of Android, and thus drive users to the iPhone, slowly bleeding the life from Android.

Recall, also, that HTC Corp. (TPE:2498) was forced to gimp its Android smartphones, removing data tapping after Apple won a preliminary injunction against it, on the basis of that feature.

The third patent -- word suggestion -- was filed in 2007.  Again, this was a feature that appeared as early as 2006 in Ford Motor Comp.'s (FSYNC platform.  That said, this patent is less crucial.  While the quality voice search app, Siri, is a major selling point of the iPhone 4S, it's not as big a deal in Android Ice Cream Sandwich.  Still, being forced to remove the voice search app would be another setback for Android.

voice search
Apple hopes to force Google to remove voice search from Android.
[Image Source: Gadget Pdamu]

III. What's Next

Apple has already brought a preliminary injunction against the Galaxy Nexus, looking to ban it from sale in the U.S. Apple's new case appears very aggressive, but it remains to be seen if Apple will be able to achieve its fantasy of a Google-free world in court, when it has thus far struggled to scrape together many wins.

Google has a powerful second line of defense, via Motorola.  Motorola has won key decisions abroad [1][2], thus far and may succeed in banning the iPhone, iPad, and iCloud in some regions.  If it can do that, it may force Apple into an uneasy armistice, out of self-preservation.

Source: Apple v. Samsung [PDF]



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FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By nafhan on 2/13/2012 1:51:58 PM , Rating: 5
Something I noticed while looking at this article:
More than 1/4th of all US patents EVER CREATED have been granted in the last 25 years*. I will step out on a limb here and guess that this doesn't mean that 25% of all things worth patenting have been developed in that time frame... Rather, I'll say that the patent system is very much stacked in favor of those who have the most money and are willing to file as many patents as possible, and this development is just reflecting that problem.

*Patent 5,946,647 granted in Aug. '99; patent 8,000,000 granted in Sept. '11.




RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By Etsp on 2/13/2012 3:11:04 PM , Rating: 4
That's not 25 years. That's 12 years.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By nafhan on 2/13/2012 3:59:39 PM , Rating: 3
MATH FAIL. I guess I must have been thinking '89 or something...
Anyway, 12 years instead of 25, makes my point even stronger, I'd say.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By Etsp on 2/13/2012 4:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
I Agree.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By masamasa on 2/13/2012 4:33:57 PM , Rating: 2
US patent office has become quite the joke.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By Shig on 2/13/2012 5:00:52 PM , Rating: 5
Very good post Nafhan. With computer technology and more lawyers then ever, it's also speeding up.

The problem was voiced succinctly by an Apple executive who said recently in a New York Times story, "We don't have an obligation to solve America's problems."

While Apple may not feel obligated to solve US economic issues, it expects Uncle Sam (i.e. every single tax payer) to protect intellectual property rights and to keep waterways safe so that it can deliver it's made-in-China products.

Should companies have an obligation to their home markets? The very markets that originally gave them venture capital and hard working intelligent Americans simply so they could exploit them and when timing was right just move off shore, yet still enjoy all the tax breaks, freedom, and market access at no cost at all.

Patents have been broken for a long time. We can sit here and blame X political party or X president, but we know they're ALL in the pockets of private interests. Take a good look America, this is what it looks like when the corporate entity has more power than your government.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By TSS on 2/13/2012 5:57:34 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The very markets that originally gave them venture capital and hard working intelligent Americans simply so they could exploit them and when timing was right just move off shore, yet still enjoy all the tax breaks, freedom, and market access at no cost at all.


Why, yes if the people are willing to finance it.

Don't get me wrong i'm against the patent system as we know it and even against patents in general. But apple didn't get as big as google and microsoft combined because they printed the money they have. It has got to come from somewhere.

Capitalism is about voting with your money. While the system has become somewhat diluted, because there are so many people with so much money that individual votes mean very little, that does not apply to hyper-large companies, who can only get so large by the collective donating of cash of a nation, even a world.

The above is not a patent problem. It's a culture problem, of people willing to accept any abuse as long as they don't lose anything and get what they want when they want it. And while i can fathom sollutions to the patent system, i haven't got a clue how to turn culture around.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By FITCamaro on 2/13/2012 7:30:15 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Should companies have an obligation to their home markets? The very markets that originally gave them venture capital and hard working intelligent Americans simply so they could exploit them and when timing was right just move off shore, yet still enjoy all the tax breaks, freedom, and market access at no cost at all.


They have an obligation to sell a product that is what they claim it to be. That's about it. They have no obligation to produce said product here, keep any profits here, or anything else. They are a business. Not a charity.

I'm not saying this in support of Apple. I dislike Apple. I'm saying this for businesses as a whole. The people have only two (possibly three) entities to blame for jobs leaving America. Themselves for voting for certain politicians and caring more about price than quality. The federal government for creating an environment that is now hostile to businesses, especially those who make large amounts of money (unless their CEO engages in crony capitalism with the administration). And potentially their state government for creating an even more hostile business environment (looking at you California and friends).


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By bupkus on 2/14/2012 9:15:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Themselves for voting for certain politicians and caring more about price than quality.
Why the conjunction "and"? To me this sentence makes no logical sense if the first part is supposed to somehow be related to the second... unless we're buying cheaper politicians.

Then you follow that with Federal and State hostility to business as the causes of job exportation? Jobs are exported because of cheap labor with no regard to pollution or work conditions, etc.
Apple would not have failed if they kept production here in the U.S.A. They just wouldn't have made nearly as much m.o.n.e.y.

My question is, why does Apple have so much loyalty to its product? Sure, there was a time when Americans wouldn't dare buy a foreign car. Maybe Americans think Apple is an American company at least in title-- certainly not in action,i.e., "
quote:
The problem was voiced succinctly by an Apple executive who said recently in a New York Times story, "We don't have an obligation to solve America's problems."
Maybe we have become so used to foreign companies for our preferred products that we no longer see our borders so clearly.
I imagine a satirical piece where an american company contracts a hostile foreign power like China to build weaponry components designed by scientists and engineers in India to be used by the American military to protect Taiwan from Chinese aggression. The Chinese lend money(US dollars) to the USA to maintain a military force that depends on foreign subsidies and technology becoming a larger and larger financial anchor until the USA defaults on a loan, its interest rates jump, the Saudis drop the US dollar as the currency accepted for oil purchases and adopt the Chinese Renminbi in its place. The US dollars are dumped into the market place, just like the Iranians once tried to do to damage the value of the dollar.
Said dollars are used to buy American Corporations and infrastructure and we all learn to speak Chinese.
Hmmm... I wonder how cat tastes.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By nafhan on 2/14/2012 11:10:20 AM , Rating: 3
I agree with what you're saying. I want to point out that "price vs. quality" is kind of a BS argument in this case for a number of reasons, among them:
--Quality is a bit of a nebulous concept - often based on perception
--Quality and price don't generally scale at the same rate: a small increase in perceived quality may equate to a massive increase in actual price
--"Made in America" may just mean the price is going to be higher, not the quality of the item - especially if the manufacturer makes a big deal about it


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By nafhan on 2/14/2012 10:27:03 AM , Rating: 2
Companies (large or small) have no obligations whatsoever other than to, their customers, shareholders, and the laws in the countries in which they are operating. It's the "Justice" department failing here, not Apple. Apple may be the company most blatantly taking advantage of a ridiculous legal situation, but you can pretty easily argue that Apple is just doing the best they can with the tools available - nostalgia (or "obligation to their home markets" if you want to call it that) is not necessarily a good way to run a business. With luck, though, Apple's flagrant use/abuse of the patent system will lead to IP law reform. ...I do consider myself an optimist, though.

Problems like this are certainly not specific to one "side" or the other in US politics. IP owners have seemingly bought themselves a pretty wide support base, which is made easier by the fact that, up until recently, this was not an issue that polarized voters ("polarizing" issues tend to get picked up by one side and demonized by the other in a two party system). Hopefully, (again being optimistic) people will become more concerned about IP issues going forward, and this will become more difficult for the big IP owners.

I believe that restrictive IP law is the number one threat to personal freedom in the world, right now (especially the "developed" world).


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By sprockkets on 2/13/2012 7:50:50 PM , Rating: 2
Probably has to do with the fact software patents were allowed around that time.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By StraightLine on 2/14/2012 10:36:18 AM , Rating: 2
Years ago, I don't know the dates, the patent office required a working model. That requirement was dropped early in the 20th century. This allows tech companies to patent just about anything they can think of without needing to build anything first.


RE: FILE ALL THE PATENTS
By Tyr0ne on 2/14/2012 10:16:12 AM , Rating: 2
If apple should get their own way they will be the only manufacturer of smart phones and tablets. Personally, I love options when choosing my devices.


What does Apple hope...
By The Raven on 2/13/2012 1:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
...to accomplish here. Aren't all of these features readily available as their own 3rd party apps? I mean there are apps that turn an Android based phone into something much better than an iPhone (varies on user's opinion). So Apple sues the pants off of Google, they remove them and the OEMs put "bloatware" on the devices that do the same thing, right? I mean anyway you slice it, Apple can't stop innovation no matter how hard they try.

And BTW, wasn't the linkifying of phone numbers also implemented by Skype long before the iPhone came out?

I really wish Apple would just leave us all alone.




RE: What does Apple hope...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/13/2012 2:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I really wish Apple would just leave us all alone.


Oh and they will. Just as soon as you buy only their products.


RE: What does Apple hope...
By bupkus on 2/14/2012 9:42:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just as soon as you buy only their products.

Right now I'm wearing Apple underwear. Fruit of the Loom got nuttin' on my boys.


RE: What does Apple hope...
By Exelius on 2/13/2012 4:27:27 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is trying to use some of their massive 35% margins to file lawsuits and eat into the narrow, 3-4% margins that everyone else is seeing. As a percentage of profits, it's a lot more expensive for Samsung or Motorola to fight these lawsuits around the globe than it is for Apple to sue them.

Considering how Apple makes ~75% of the profits in the cell phone industry, they're in a very strong position for this strategy.


RE: What does Apple hope...
By testerguy on 2/14/2012 9:00:47 AM , Rating: 2
If Apple loses the lawsuit, they have to pay the fees of the opposition.

In other words, legal cases of themselves are not a mechanism by which you can reduce margins in competitors.


RE: What does Apple hope...
By mcnabney on 2/14/2012 9:26:06 AM , Rating: 2
Not true.

While at times a judge may require the losing party to pay legal fees, it is the exception to the general rule. Those generally occur when lawsuits are considered frivolous and harrassing, but not when there are legitimate legal matters to rule on.


RE: What does Apple hope...
By testerguy on 2/14/2012 10:44:05 AM , Rating: 3
In the UK and various other EU countries (where many of these legal cases have been heard), it is true.

You're thinking only of the US.


Sick and tired ...
By Ryestag on 2/13/2012 3:31:18 PM , Rating: 4
I've been a smartphone user for only about a year now. I both an HTC Sensation, Galaxy Nexus and an Asus Transformer Prime.

I honestly think that both Apple and Google have great products and enjoy the competition. It's a breading ground for innovation as each company tries to one up each other, over and over.

But I'm growing EXTREMELY TIRED of these lawsuits. I'm completely fed up! If Google and Apple don't sort their shit out by next year (when it's time to upgrade my HTC phone) I'm going to say to hell with it and not support either of them. A lot of my money is being wasted on litigation instead of innovation and I'm not going to be a part of that cycle any longer.

Although MS is not a saint, they do seem to be the lesser of evils at the moment and I'll most likely bring my business to them.




RE: Sick and tired ...
By Ramtech on 2/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Sick and tired ...
By Ryestag on 2/13/2012 3:57:52 PM , Rating: 2
As I said they're not saint, but at least they're willing to settle with licensing fees instead of outright trying to ban everything that competes with them.


RE: Sick and tired ...
By Ramtech on 2/13/2012 5:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
Don't licensing fees sound like extortion ? I mean if they are based on serious patents... but software patents ? common

What is better ban competition or make their products unprofitable therefore potentially bankrupt competition

I haven't seen any Google started lawsuit lately so why exactly are you tired by their actions


RE: Sick and tired ...
By Gungel on 2/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Sick and tired ...
By Ramtech on 2/14/2012 8:51:26 AM , Rating: 2
In fast changing software world patents are actually harmful because:

1)They encourage anti patterns for example reinventing the wheel (especially FLOSS developers love to do that)
2)Sometimes there is just not a better way of doing same thing (if you want to achieve same thing you will end up with similar result)
3)Theres so many SW patents that developers are knowingly or unknowingly infringing patents daily

In licensing deals Microsoft never states which patents are actually licensing why?


RE: Sick and tired ...
By tayb on 2/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Sick and tired ...
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/14/2012 8:06:22 AM , Rating: 1
Except....Apple didn't really "invent" anything they are suing over...


RE: Sick and tired ...
By BZDTemp on 2/14/2012 9:19:00 AM , Rating: 1
You need to look closer. Microsoft is just as bad as Apple and it's not just about patents, it's all sorts of underhanded tactics. Fx. look up the term Vaporware.


RE: Sick and tired ...
By Invane on 2/14/2012 11:54:37 AM , Rating: 3
So wait. You don't like litigation, so you plan to boycott the aggressive litigator and the company that is being forced to defend itself by that aggressive party? Do you know why they're litigating? To try to get customers to buy a product other than that of the company they are litigating against. So basically, you're doing exactly what they (the aggressive litigator you seem angry with) want you to do. Did you even think that through?


RE: Sick and tired ...
By Wolfpup on 2/14/2012 12:13:14 PM , Rating: 2
I'd hoped this story would be able new Apple PRODUCTS, or marketing at least...not "we're combating Android by suing everyone, weeeee!"


F*** off Apple
By masamasa on 2/13/2012 4:33:10 PM , Rating: 5
"U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647, which covers turnings phone numbers/addresses in actionable hyperlinks; and U.S. Patent No. 8,074,172, which covers voice search word suggestions."

We're all sick of your BS patents and lawsuits that are clearly aimed at impeding creative development and monopolizing the market. It's not as though these are creative ideas by any means.

I pray for the quick death of your company you bottom feeders.




RE: F*** off Apple
By Tony Swash on 2/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: F*** off Apple
By priusone on 2/13/2012 10:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
So true, since, 'myself and him, and her, and him, her over there, that person as well, by golly, a majority of persons in this room' detest(s) how brilliantly Apple is bending the system in its favor. Yeah, that sounds so much better than 'we'


RE: F*** off Apple
By bupkus on 2/14/2012 10:00:10 AM , Rating: 1
Tony, please tell everyone where Steve Jobs is buried. You must know where. People need to know where to go to bring the dead body of Android for a sacrificial offering. I'm so sorry for my transgressions. See! I have smashed my PC laptop. What more must I do to show my sincerity.

Not


RE: F*** off Apple
By scrapsma54 on 2/14/2012 2:46:15 AM , Rating: 2
Owning anything from apple is boring. Yes it is beautiful, but so is the kindle fire.


Chutzpah
By Dorkyman on 2/13/2012 1:19:18 PM , Rating: 3
And Apple is claiming that these things are "...not obvious to one skilled in the art?" That's the very definition of what's patentable.

I once admired Apple. I worked for the company back in the 1980's. My admiration has turned to disgust as Apple resorts to sleight-of-hand to try to maintain market share.

Shame on you, Apple.




RE: Chutzpah
By nafhan on 2/13/2012 1:45:53 PM , Rating: 2
Software patents gotta' go. This is a mess.
The patent 5,946,647 for instance basically says Apple owns doing anything useful with raw data. Taking unstructured data and structuring it is essentially one of the basic endeavors of computing.
As far as I can tell, the 24 claims in the above patent are basically violated when I write a simple Linux shell script.


RE: Chutzpah
By Captain Orgazmo on 2/14/2012 8:08:19 PM , Rating: 3
That patent is completely invalid due to prior art, and the court that upheld it should be investigated and people fired.

Software should still be patentable, but the period of their validity should be reduced, and BS like filing some vague patent without actually using it in a product for years should be banned.


Ridiculous
By bbcdude on 2/13/2012 5:16:16 PM , Rating: 5
This is getting out of control. I have never bought an apple product. Not for any political reason, just liked other stuff better. But I never once suggested somebody else shouldn't buy their stuff. But apples new approach to try and squash competition by lawsuit has stepped over the line. (Don't bother claiming its a IP issue, cause if it was, money would be the request and not bans).

In light of their new tactics I have now moved off the fence and will now be advocating against others buying apple products. I will do everything in my power to stop others buying apple products, and it is alot of power having tech influence over a large group and the ears of people in positions of power. If apple stops this ridiculous abuse of patent then I will stop.

Enough is enough, this is just clear anti-competition practices and should be punished by the law. If MS was hit billions for including a free web-browser, then apple should be fined even more for such blatant abuse.




Retcon in software?
By StoveMeister on 2/13/2012 7:29:51 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't anyone think it insane that Apple is seeking to sue over patents only granted December 2011? The SDK for ICS was released in October 2011, so how in hell does Apple get away with patenting the stuff inside ICS in late 2011?
And, FYI Apple, just because you can now do it on a phone does NOT make it new tech. I am sick of this sort of patent- how in HELL can Apple seriously think they can sue Google over search technologies? A phone is now a computer- live with it.




RE: Retcon in software?
By testerguy on 2/14/2012 9:05:08 AM , Rating: 3
It's when the patent was applied for that matters, not when it was granted.


The point of patents (today)
By mycropht on 2/13/2012 3:19:40 PM , Rating: 2
So, the main point of patents TODAY is to prevent someone else of using an invention or, in many cases, an "invention".
All Apple should get at court for the "slide to unlock" "patent" should be a fair compensation. If a device costs $300, the fair compensation for the "slide to unlock" (a.k.a. the greatest invention of all times) or an invention of a similar magnitude should be no more than 5 cents per device. And that should be the end of it. Using patents as a tool to prevent use of an invention should be illegal.




RE: The point of patents (today)
By powerwerds on 2/13/2012 10:35:35 PM , Rating: 2
I can't even believe things like that can be patented. Almost everyday in my life as a human I have to slide a mechanism to unlock whatever I am trying to interact with.

All the sudden I am navigating a space in my hand and as I go to use the trusty human meme of slide to unlock to use device I see turf wars over what I thought was just a common human move. Like turn knob to open door. Ok cool I've been practicing that since toddler.

Its almost as annoyingly dumb as a gang making some stupid hand sign where they spell some rubbish word with their fingers, and when they see someone not in their gang spelling THEIR word they want to jump the person because moving human fingers like that is THEIR move.

I just don't get it, its just one of those things that yes my eyes see corporations trying to own this, but no my brain regurgitates it, it simply does not go down.


By cpeter38 on 2/13/2012 1:03:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We've discussed at length how a wealth of prior art with regard to slide unlock existed (and was seemingly ignored by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office)




Star Trek
By dgingerich on 2/13/2012 6:57:17 PM , Rating: 2
Did you know nearly all of this comes from early Sci-Fi, and was made widely public in the first Star Trek series. Possibly the only one that didn't, the so called tapping patent, want made widely public in Star Trek The Next Generation, long, long before Apple patented it. These should never have been allowed to be patented. It;s like patenting mowing a lawn in a crosshatch pattern or patenting the way pickup truck tailgates work. It's just a no-brainer.

Of course, most people, judges included, are no-brainer types. They'll likely allow Apple to keep the patents.




By bigboxes on 2/14/2012 12:31:02 AM , Rating: 2
It gets old. Just stop it already. It doesn't make your blogs any better, just more pretentious. I don't have anything against your writings otherwise. Carry on.




Apple makes me sick
By morphologia on 2/14/2012 11:46:03 AM , Rating: 2
Any design-based argument made by Apple is null and void, since other companies were making and selling tablets almost a decade before Apple did. Motion Computing and HP had tablets/slates on the market back in 2002, and they were full-blown computers, not just oversized cellphones. Yet Apple comes along and pretends they invented the whole idea...it's like Exxon or BP coming along and claiming they invented fire and suing everyone else who makes flammable stuff.

I really think Apple is just jealously attacking everyone to hamstring the competition since their main driving force, Steve Jobs, is no more. Granted, His Holiness would have approved of all this lawsuit nonsense and indeed was the one who started it, but it comes across more like greed and jealousy than like righteous indignation.




meteor blitzkrieg
By haukionkannel on 2/14/2012 12:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
Meteor blitzkriek is so much better than patent blizkriek ;-)
http://www.meteorblitzkrieg.de/

I just hope that patent system would be closer to it's original intention... aka making new innovations advance faster... *sigh*




boycott
By p05esto on 2/14/2012 5:13:21 PM , Rating: 2
Boycott APPLE now. No DailyTECH reader should be buying Apple products. Period. Those of who know, need to educate the sheep about the crappy closed Apple systems and the worst software in the entire world called iTunes!




By Adam M on 2/15/2012 12:38:58 AM , Rating: 2
Speaking strictly for my self, Apple continues to look like a spoiled child acting out because someone else has similar toys. Between the endless litigation and on going issues with Chinese working conditions, Apple has successfully driven me away from every buying one of their products. It would be different if they would work to innovate and get the word out about why they are better. They need to show or do something positive instead of lashing out using patents for products and technology they had nothing to do with creating.




What Steve said..
By TileGuyJesse on 2/17/2012 1:17:59 AM , Rating: 2
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android....."

Well, he DID spend his last dying breath, and he DIDN'T destroy Android, case closed.

So how about that Peyton Manning deal coming up?..




Ridiculous
By bbcdude on 2/13/2012 5:16:36 PM , Rating: 1
This is getting out of control. I have never bought an apple product. Not for any political reason, just liked other stuff better. But I never once suggested somebody else shouldn't buy their stuff. But apples new approach to try and squash competition by lawsuit has stepped over the line. (Don't bother claiming its a IP issue, cause if it was, money would be the request and not bans).

In light of their new tactics I have now moved off the fence and will now be advocating against others buying apple products. I will do everything in my power to stop others buying apple products, and it is alot of power having tech influence over a large group and the ears of people in positions of power. If apple stops this ridiculous abuse of patent then I will stop.

Enough is enough, this is just clear anti-competition practices and should be punished by the law. If MS was hit billions for including a free web-browser, then apple should be fined even more for such blatant abuse.




Ridiculous
By bbcdude on 2/13/2012 5:17:09 PM , Rating: 1
This is getting out of control. I have never bought an apple product. Not for any political reason, just liked other stuff better. But I never once suggested somebody else shouldn't buy their stuff. But apples new approach to try and squash competition by lawsuit has stepped over the line. (Don't bother claiming its a IP issue, cause if it was, money would be the request and not bans).

In light of their new tactics I have now moved off the fence and will now be advocating against others buying apple products. I will do everything in my power to stop others buying apple products, and it is alot of power having tech influence over a large group and the ears of people in positions of power. If apple stops this ridiculous abuse of patent then I will stop.

Enough is enough, this is just clear anti-competition practices and should be punished by the law. If MS was hit billions for including a free web-browser, then apple should be fined even more for such blatant abuse.




Ridiculous
By bbcdude on 2/13/2012 5:17:39 PM , Rating: 1
This is getting out of control. I have never bought an apple product. Not for any political reason, just liked other stuff better. But I never once suggested somebody else shouldn't buy their stuff. But apples new approach to try and squash competition by lawsuit has stepped over the line. (Don't bother claiming its a IP issue, cause if it was, money would be the request and not bans).

In light of their new tactics I have now moved off the fence and will now be advocating against others buying apple products. I will do everything in my power to stop others buying apple products, and it is alot of power having tech influence over a large group and the ears of people in positions of power. If apple stops this ridiculous abuse of patent then I will stop.

Enough is enough, this is just clear anti-competition practices and should be punished by the law. If MS was hit billions for including a free web-browser, then apple should be fined even more for such blatant abuse.




Ridiculous
By bbcdude on 2/13/2012 5:18:09 PM , Rating: 1
This is getting out of control. I have never bought an apple product. Not for any political reason, just liked other stuff better. But I never once suggested somebody else shouldn't buy their stuff. But apples new approach to try and squash competition by lawsuit has stepped over the line. (Don't bother claiming its a IP issue, cause if it was, money would be the request and not bans).

In light of their new tactics I have now moved off the fence and will now be advocating against others buying apple products. I will do everything in my power to stop others buying apple products, and it is alot of power having tech influence over a large group and the ears of people in positions of power. If apple stops this ridiculous abuse of patent then I will stop.

Enough is enough, this is just clear anti-competition practices and should be punished by the law. If MS was hit billions for including a free web-browser, then apple should be fined even more for such blatant abuse.




Well it was only a matter of time...
By Shadowself on 2/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By The Raven on 2/13/2012 1:34:10 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah this is very underhanded...Apple is much worse than the Nazis!


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Ramtech on 2/13/2012 1:45:14 PM , Rating: 4
He also did equated AT&T symbol to Death Star why weren't you complaining then? hmm?


By The Raven on 2/13/2012 1:52:51 PM , Rating: 1
lol because that is too cool. The Nazi are the only real evil in the world. Let's just all focus on hating them and ignore anyone else of a lesser evil.


By Basilisk on 2/13/2012 2:36:44 PM , Rating: 2
The "Death Star" nickname for the AT&T icon predates Anandtech and Jason, and was often used within AT&T -- though not with corporate sanction!

The only time "blitz" should be paired with lawsuits is the commonly held, refreshing image of lawyers being lightning-struck. Any high-speed metaphor for legal actions is nonsensical and, from a lawyer's perspective, contra-productive as there'd be fewer billable hours.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Shadowself on 2/13/2012 8:04:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple is much worse than the Nazis!


Clearly you have no idea who the Nazis were then. Absolutely no idea.


By B3an on 2/14/2012 7:13:42 AM , Rating: 2
Didn't you know?? Jobs WAS a Nazi!

http://fotos.rynelan.nl/Steve-JobsNazi.jpg

Recent evidence also shows that Steve Jobs was infact grown in a iTube - A Nazi biological experiment used to create near identical offspring, using Hitlers DNA.


By AmbroseAthan on 2/13/2012 2:29:21 PM , Rating: 3
This article brought to you by Godwin's Law; it was bound to happen!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/13/2012 2:45:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
until Jason equated Apple with the Nazis.


I agree...

-wait for it-

he should have gone there sooner!


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Shadowself on 2/13/2012 8:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
This site has truly gone off the deep end.

Instead of the truly asinine concept of equating Apple to the Nazis and the support shown here, people on this site should be hammering Jason for doing it.

Then they should be pushing him to do some real investigation work (if he even understands the concept or could do it) into the recent allegations that Apple is pressuring one of their manufacturers that assembles the Mac Book Air into not producing the Asus equivalent. That is a horrible thing and IF true it should be illegal. If it is not illegal it should be the basis for people to rally against Apple. Jason -- and the tech community in general -- should find out if Apple is really doing this -- and if true crucify Apple for it.

People on this site need to find the real battles and fight them against Apple -- not hailing Jason for truly asinine equivalences!


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By TakinYourPoints on 2/14/2012 7:06:29 AM , Rating: 2
Anti-semitism nor defending Hank Williams Jr should not surprise me coming from you.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/14/2012 7:43:03 AM , Rating: 1
Anti-Semitic? Bullcrap! He just seems very offended at Nazi references here. Even though they're a long standing thing that goes on daily. I thought maybe he's super sensitive to it because he's Jewish or comes from a Jewish family. How is that racist?

People here know I'm Italian. If I flipped out over a gangster reference you guys would probably say "well, you know, he IS Italian". But that's not racist.

And I'm not defending anything. But that song was a nifty tradition eh?

I guess Takin is turning into Yash. Where he just makes drive by comments about my character. Spineless.


By TakinYourPoints on 2/16/2012 12:21:29 AM , Rating: 2
Your posts say enough about your character. What I say is just gravy.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Shadowself on 2/14/2012 8:02:54 AM , Rating: 2
No, I am not Jewish -- even remotely. However, I am old enough to know about Nazis first hand (and not the "Neo Nazis" of the past few decades).

No, not "everyone pulls the Nazi card at one point or another"! Saying that lessens the true horror that was the core Nazi movement of 70+ years ago.

I'm making it an issue because it was Jason who made the connection in his imagery and image editing. Authors on sites such at this should have at least a tiny bit of decorum -- something about which Jason seems to know nothing.

While it would appear that Jason does not hate all Apple products, Jason truly hates Apple and Apple's senior management no matter what they do or their motives -- and has done so for years. Jason has been inching toward true, blind fanaticism for a long time. He finally crossed the line for what should be acceptable versus not acceptable for everyone who reads Daily Tech.


By Reclaimer77 on 2/14/2012 10:48:00 AM , Rating: 1
Well you have to understand that most people using the Internet aren't 80+ years old. You have a sensitivity to Nazi references and unfairly projected that onto the author. He wasn't making a Holocaust comparison or anything of the like. He was likening Apple's decisions to fascism.

quote:
No, not "everyone pulls the Nazi card at one point or another"!


Sorry but, they kind of do. Nazi references have permeated the subculture and appear on almost every issue and topic. It's just NOT taboo anymore, sorry.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By TakinYourPoints on 2/14/2012 7:04:09 AM , Rating: 2
Hammering won't happen because this site is a tabloid circlejerk. The style generates flamewars and page hits.

Why DT is on the Anandtech sidebar is beyond me. With Anadtech you have probably the best, most thorough, most balanced tech site out there, and it has this garbage sitting alongside it. It is like The Economist having side columns from the National Enquirer.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By testerguy on 2/14/2012 9:07:56 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed, lets all email Anandtech and tell them to take the garbage out.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/14/2012 10:54:48 AM , Rating: 2
I love how the two biggest Apple tards are the ones saying this lol. Sooooo butthurt.

Don't go away mad guys, just go away.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By testerguy on 2/15/2012 6:36:55 AM , Rating: 2
Coming from the two biggest Apple haters and Android apologists?

Lets be clear - you openly admit to 'hating' Apple. I have a rational brain so I am completely indifferent to all companies, I just tell it like it is.

Lets be clear again - whether this site was biased towards Apple or against Apple - it would still get the same criticism from me, particularly as it influences how stories are portrayed and leads undereducated guys like you two to false conclusions based on misleading statements. Even you, as a self-confessed Apple hater, you should still want non-biased journalism - and I don't believe there can be any doubt that that isn't what we find here.

For example, you probably still believe the Galaxy Tab was banned due to being rectangular and having round corners. That kind of awareness fail is probably caused by this site and it's failed journalism.

Oh and by the way, the majority of the reasonable and balanced Anandtech fans don't bother posting on here because of it's ridiculous phandroidism.


By Cheesew1z69 on 2/15/2012 11:00:53 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I have a rational brain so I am completely indifferent to all companies, I just tell it like it is.
No, no you don't, that's a load of bullshit and it's getting DEEP now...

quote:
Oh and by the way, the majority of the reasonable and balanced Anandtech fans don't bother posting on here because of it's ridiculous phandroidism.
Most don't post here because of idiots like you spouting your bullshit all the time...


By Cheesew1z69 on 2/14/2012 8:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, we should, we should ask them to remove you from posting...


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By luseferous on 2/14/2012 2:46:14 PM , Rating: 1
Just to be pedantic.

The word replaced by Apple in the pic is Axis not Nazi.


By luseferous on 2/14/2012 2:49:15 PM , Rating: 2
And to be even more pedantic the main character shown in the pic is Erwin Rommel who was not a Nazi.


RE: Well it was only a matter of time...
By foolsgambit11 on 2/14/2012 7:39:40 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry? He equated Apple's strategy with a military strategy. It was named by the Nazis, but that doesn't mean that using "blitzkrieg" as a metaphor equates Apple with the Nazi philosophy. If I called a string of defensive patents a "Maginot Line", would you say I was comparing the company to the French? Or a "shock and awe" campaign equating a company to the Bush Administration?


By luseferous on 2/15/2012 6:40:50 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't disagree about the conclusions people would jump to. I was pointing out that is not what is portraid.

As for Blitzkrieg it came from the British who first developed the tactic but didn't put it to use.


More background info here
By Tony Swash on 2/13/12, Rating: -1
What is everyone's problem?
By nealc5 on 2/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: What is everyone's problem?
By tecknurd on 2/13/2012 3:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
Apple does not need to defend the "slide to unlock" patent. They should just let it go and see who is fit to compete against their iPhone or iPad. Apple is very whining. If I had this "slide to unlock" patent and people want to use a similar way, I would just let them. At least I am the only one that had the idea. Apple is making this tiny "slide to unlock" patent become a very, very big deal. It is not a big deal and it does not hurt their property if someone is using it. Basically "slide to unlock" is a software patent that is completely irrelevant patent to other patents that have a better statement of changing the world. The "slide to unlock" patent does not change the world of how people think.

Blackberry is the first company that made a smartphone. Did they care to sue Apple. No, they let the competition began and let it happen. Blackberry is getting demolished by Apple and Android phones, but at least Blackberry are enablers of competition compared to Apple.


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By V-Money on 2/13/2012 4:24:33 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Apple does not need to defend the "slide to unlock" patent. They should just let it go and see who is fit to compete against their iPhone or iPad


Especially considering the Neonode n1m had this feature over 2 years before Apple. I'd link the proof, but I figure non-apple users will just google it and find it in a couple seconds while iphone users will spend half an hour trying to Siri it before going down on a blow up Steve Jobs doll.


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By Icopoli on 2/14/2012 4:21:40 AM , Rating: 2
I wish I could +6 :(


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By bupkus on 2/14/2012 10:10:57 AM , Rating: 2
Yes. A true lol experience.


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By drycrust3 on 2/13/2012 3:47:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
If not, it gives you a patent. Now another party may argue that the USPTO was wrong, but the only way to deal with that is to ignore the patent, work around it, or sue.

Ok, so what happens if the patent is for something that already exists? If we look at the first Apple patent mentioned, US Patent 8,086,604, "Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system" which was issued in December, we can see that it more or less describes the way Napster, Bittorent, and other peer to peer file sharing programs work.
You install appropriate application onto your computer to access the system (a "unitary interface"), you put in a bit of the song title into the application (a "descriptor"), it then sends that bit of song title to thousands of computers over the internet ("capable of accessing information in a variety of location"), which use that bit of song title and search the computer for music that roughly matches the request ("plurality of heuristic algorithms"), that distant computer then sends back to the searching computer any suitable results which are displayed and can be selected for download ("locates and displays candidate items of information for selection and/or retrieval").
As you can see, it is arguable Apple have been given a patent for something that already exists.
Another factor is that Apple recently set a precedent in Germany when they argued that they may have an alternative algorithm inside their closed source OS which does the same thing as a patented algorithm, and because it was closed source it was arguable the owner of the patent didn't have the legal right to see if their algorithm was being used.
In this case, if Android made the parts of their OS in question closed source, then they can claim they also used an "alternative algorithm".


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By nealc5 on 2/13/2012 6:44:56 PM , Rating: 2
The point I was making was that regardless of whether you agree with the merits of the slide to unlock, or any patent, it is, nevertheless, a valid patent. Apple has not only the right to defend that patent, they must defend it.

If you or I had a patent, and we wanted to give it away, we can. A publicly traded corporation has a legal, fiduciary responsibility to defend their ideas, and maximize profits for the shareholders. If Apple allowed their IP to be "stolen", the company can (and should) be sued by shareholders for violating their responsibilities.

Like it or not, think Apple is evil or not, doesn't change this fact. Even if Apple management thought "wow, they actually gave us a patent for that crap??", they would still have to defend it if they believe their competitors used it without permission.

If Kodak had defended their digital imaging patents more rigorously in the past, they might not be in Chapter 11 today.


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By cmdrdredd on 2/13/2012 7:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
What they should do is get rid of patents completely. Invalidate them all immediately. Then everyone is free to develop any technology they want in any form factor. Let the consumer decide which product to spend money on based on the creative marketing of the manufacturer, word of mouth, and personal experiences.

Disagree if you want...I'm at the point where I feel this would be the only way to fix things. Force the companies to compete on a level playing field. You have to win over the customers, not simply sue the competition into oblivion because they kick your ass and you want to cry foul.


RE: What is everyone's problem?
By testerguy on 2/14/2012 9:10:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ok, so what happens if the patent is for something that already exists?


If the court agreed with your assertion that there was 'prior art' - the patent wouldn't be granted.

Clearly, they disagree with it for some reason, given that the patent was granted.


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