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"Obvious" patents should never have been granted, given prior art

Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) international quest to kill Android, not by competition, but by lawsuits hit a roadblock in the United Kingdom when a Judge ruled Apple's patents to swipe-to-unlock patents to be invalid due to obviousness and prior art.

I. Neonode Invented Swipe to Unlock, Not Apple

The judge wrote in his decision that HTC Corp.'s (TPE:2498) four targeted Android handsets were not in infringement of Apple's patents on swipe-to-unlock as those patents never should have been granted in the first place.

The ruling comes in a London lawsuit brought by Apple against HTC.  The ruling is a dangerous for Apple as it threatens to invalidate previous wins over Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd.'s (KSC:005930) and others in Germany and the Netherlands, which forced the Android device-makers to modify their products.

His decision echoes my own analysis remarkably closely, citing technology from Neonode Inc. (NEON), who included slide to unlock on an icon in its patented July 2004 n1m smartphone:


Similar prior art referenced by HTC convinced the judge that Apple had habitually trolled the patent waters, patenting technology that other companies had already brought to market at the time of its filings.  Two other key software patents were also found to be invalid due to obviousness and/or prior art.

The results are important, but not terribly surprising.

After all late Apple CEO and co-founder Steven P. Jobs famously brazenly bragged of his company's lust for stealing others' work, "Picasso had a saying - 'Good artists copy, great artists steal.' And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
 

 

II. Bye, Bye Apple Patents, Bye, Bye Lawsuits 

The decision decimates in the EU much of the patent stable Apple has tried to leverage to bully Android smartphone makers in the U.S. and EU alike.  In total the judge invalidated three EU Apple patents:
  • EP1964022  (A1) "UNLOCKING A DEVICE BY PERFORMING GESTURES ON AN UNLOCK IMAGE" (swipe to unlock)
  • EP1168859 (B1) "Portable radio communication apparatus using different alphabets" (a multilingual keyboard patent)
  • EP2059868 (A2) "PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICE FOR PHOTO MANAGEMENT" (a gesture patent)
The judge was particularly taken by the abundant evidence of invalidity of the slide to unlock patent.  The Neonode n1m in 2004 displayed a padlock icon with the words  "right sweep to unlock".  Yet astonishingly an Apple patent filed over a year later was granted.  Apple lawyers would later argue that the inclusion of a capacitive touch screen (the n1m used resistive touch) to detect the swipe more accurately and a different icon were sufficient to seize broad ownership of all swipe to unlock on touch devices.

Unlocking the iPhoneUnlock n1m
[Image Source: YouTube]

The British judge blasted that line of thinking calling the inclusion of a slider "obvious" and saying that the advances in touch detection did not call for a repatenting of the same technology.

Apple issued a statement to the BBC, "We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."

But according to the British judge, it was Apple who stole others' work, not the other way around.  Apple refused comment on whether it considered it an acceptable practice to steal others' work, a practice it has repeatedly condemned others for supposedly doing.

HTC was ecstatic, commenting, "HTC is pleased with the ruling, which provides further confirmation that Apple's claims against HTC are without merit. We remain disappointed that Apple continues to favour competition in the courtroom over competition in the marketplace."

A single Apple patent -- EP2059868  (A2) -- the "bounce animation" patent survived, but the British judge narrowed its scope saying that that a somewhat similar animation on some of HTC's smartphones was sufficiently different that it was not in violation.

Android Gingerbread Gallery App
Browser App Gingerbread
Bounce animations on an HTC EVO running Android 2.3 "Gingerbread"

While the ruling is devastating to Apple's EU lawsuit campaign, it can at least seek solace in the fact that it has banned Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet and Galaxy Nexus smartphone in the U.S.

III. Editorial: U.S. Invalidation is Coming Soon to a Courtroom Near You

Andrew Alton, a lawyer at UK firm Urquhart-Dykes and Lord -- a firm which used to work for Apple -- comments, "National patent laws thematically are very similar, but can be applied very differently.  Not only are the tests different but also the evidence that can be introduced in different courts varies. If the Neonode wasn't released in the US it might not be able to be cited there.  So the fact that Apple has lost this particular patent battle in the UK shouldn't mean it should be seen to have lost the global war."

Indeed, while the EU court justly found that Apple has received an invalid patent on a technology which its competitors were selling years before, U.S. patent law may be structured in such a way in which courts allow it to ban would-be competitors on the grounds of technology that had been released years before overseas, assuming those competitors did not release devices to the U.S. market or file for a U.S. patent.

Of course, I would disagree with Apple's lawyer's assessment, at least on the issue of the swipe to unlock, given that Neonode did patent its technology in the U.S.  Simply take a gander at Fig. 11 and Fig. 12 (pg. 5) in U.S. Patent No. 8,095,879 -- a "User interface for mobile handheld computer unit":
Neonode patent
There's swipe-to-unlock, the same technology Apple reworded and repatented, effectively "stealing" (as Apple would say) Neonode's novel idea and claiming it for its own.

I correctly predicted the EU invalidation, and I would expect the U.S. court system, despite the Android OEMs less-than-stellar legal representation and Apple's great level of influence in the Californian court system, will eventually come around to reason and invalidate this patent.

After all, the U.S. court system has to maintain some semblance of competence and non-biased behavior.

Then again, I don't expect Apple to give up without a fight.  After all, Apple has been badly beaten by Android in market share.  Apple attorney Josh Krevitt sums up his company's plight, remarking, "Samsung is always one step ahead, launching another product and another product."

Apple isn't launching product as fast as it used to.  Since the departure of founder and visionary Steven P. Jobs, it saw its iPhone 4S launch slip to October 2011.  Now hopes that Apple would "catch up" with a July launch are all but lost.  To make matters worse, Apple'shomely iOS 6 was left "playing RIM" to a the slick, stylish Android 4.1 Jelly Bean, unveiled at last week's Google I/O developers event.  Word has it that Jelly Bean's built in search even beats Siri in accuracy -- and Google supports many features absent in iOS, such as offline dictation.  And that's not to mention Windows Phone 8 who also makes iOS 6 look like a 2007-era dead-end.

Apple left behind
iOS, left behind: iOS 1.0 (top left), iOS 6.0 (top right);
Android 1.0 (bottom left, Android 4.1 (bottom right); Windows Phone 8 (far right)

As HTC said in its comment, Apple, despite virtually standing still interface-wise hopes to compensate by courtroom thuggery.  Unfortunately for it, much of its technology appears to be invalid and borrowed (or "stolen" to use Apple's own terminology).

Source: BBC



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Schizophrenic
By Motoman on 7/5/2012 3:59:10 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Apple issued a statement to the BBC, "We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."


quote:
After all late Apple CEO and co-founder Steven P. Jobs famously brazenly bragged of his company's lust for stealing others' work, "Picasso had a saying - 'Good artists copy, great artists steal.' And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."


Go ahead, you f%cking Macolytes, and reconcile those two statements. Would love to see you try.




RE: Schizophrenic
By Tony Swash on 7/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By Boze on 7/5/2012 8:06:12 PM , Rating: 5
Well you wanted to see it Moto, you just saw it.


RE: Schizophrenic
By sprockkets on 7/5/2012 11:19:53 PM , Rating: 3
Denial. Which again, without it, no apple product would function.


RE: Schizophrenic
By testerguy on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By Motoman on 7/6/2012 12:56:42 PM , Rating: 4
If you've ever said anything like the "patent system is self regulating" you're a retard - as can be easily seen over the past few years, the patent system is horrifically broken and essentially completely ineffectual.

Also, if one has a "great idea" one is most certainly going to patent it. There's no credible way to start inserting anything else into Jobs' quote about "well he meant only great ideas that the inventor didn't patent."

That quote gets trotted out continuously because it's continuously applicable and valid, and continuously demonstrates the predatory intent and attitude that Apple has.


RE: Schizophrenic
By testerguy on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By croc on 7/6/2012 7:32:46 PM , Rating: 3
The next applemactard that uses the word 'blatant' is going to cause me to reject my long-held pacifist beliefs and obtain an instrument of destruction with malice aforethought.


RE: Schizophrenic
By themaster08 on 7/6/2012 2:17:56 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The fetishisation of the Jobs quote always strikes me as an expression of the insecurity of those who use it, they need it as a sort of shield because they know inside who really copied who and, along with the sad failures of the Android model, it hurts.
And insecurity isn't being a shill and feeling like you have to justify Apple's every move, be it right or wrong?

Apple are losing their battle in the courts. You have said many a time that the courts would take the right decisions. It seems as though finally they're starting to.

Don't you ever look in the mirror and think "how did I ever become so brainwashed?"


RE: Schizophrenic
By Tony Swash on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By bupkus on 7/6/2012 7:23:55 AM , Rating: 2
To own HTC is to own Google is to own Apple is to own Neonode.


RE: Schizophrenic
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 8:21:35 AM , Rating: 4
"What's hard to stomach however are those that, all evidence to the contrary, insist even though they know it's not true, that Google didn't copy Android when it reengineered it's OS following the success of the iPhone"

Yet it's perfectly OK for Apple to have reengineered it's OS following the success of the Treo and Blackberry. Apple stole so much from those products. They really only added a multitouch screen and UI. Yes it was well done, but a blatant ripoff. Why is one OK and not the other?


RE: Schizophrenic
By Tony Swash on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 11:45:53 AM , Rating: 3
"which followed the success of the Palm PDA which in turn was built on the back of the Apple Newton"

Which was a direct ripoff of the psion and you know it.

What is your point exactly? That it's OK for Apple to copy, but not OK for others?

My point is the opposite. All companies copy each other, they take aspects that are working and make products based on that. If it werent normal and accepted, and totally legal, then Ford would be the only car company, because all others copy the manufacturing process Ford invented in the early 20th century.

Apple copied psion, and improved it with newton. Palm/Handspring copied Apple and improved it with phone/internet capabilities to become the Treo. Apple copied Palm and added a slick multitouch UI. I would argue that adding phone/internet was FAR more functionally responsible for today's smartphones than the UI that Apple added. Apple didnt add anything that couldnt already be done in 2007, in fact the 1st iPhone had less capabilities than a Treo of the day. What Apple did was make it a fun device to use and make it appealing to the masses. That was awesome, and we all owe Apple a thanks you for that, but doesnt allow them free reign to act as if they envented the entire smartphone genre. They didnt, they just copied as they always have and all companies do. Only with an extreme bias could anyone see Apple copying as art, and others copying as infringement. Copying is copying and its not art, nor infringement its called "business"

If you could throw some ice water on your Apple hard on you would see that clearly.


RE: Schizophrenic
By Tony Swash on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By themaster08 on 7/6/2012 1:06:02 PM , Rating: 5
Nice way to cherry pick to suit your argument. You do realise that Psion made many more devices than just the Psion Organiser, right?

quote:
Go immediately to an optician and get some specs - you need them.
Rich coming from the selective eyesight of yourself.


RE: Schizophrenic
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 1:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
"A Psion. Tiny screen, no touch interface on screen, hardware keyboard"

Like I said " Apple copied psion, and improved it with newton . Palm/Handspring copied Apple and improved it with phone/internet capabilities to become the Treo. Apple copied Palm and added a slick multitouch UI."

You havent added anything to the debate, nor have you answered the obvious question as to why its OK for Apple to copy and not for others. Still waiting.


RE: Schizophrenic
By Skelum on 7/6/2012 10:56:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What's hard to stomach however are those that, all evidence to the contrary, insist even though they know it's not true...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_project...

Dude... Come on... I've you red the article... It exposes facts as well you are just twisting them to your advantage.

I'm sure your next statement will be a meta-denial!


RE: Schizophrenic
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/6/2012 12:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you are just twisting them to your advantage.
That is his whole MO. Every post.


RE: Schizophrenic
By Motoman on 7/6/2012 12:57:20 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Don't you ever look in the mirror and think "how did I ever become so brainwashed?"


Retards don't know that they're retards.


RE: Schizophrenic
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 1:51:44 PM , Rating: 1
"Retards don't know that they're retards."

I've known a few retards, and they do know they are retards. The reality of Tony's situation is closer to - nutjobs don't know that they're nutjobs.


RE: Schizophrenic
By topkill on 7/6/2012 3:01:40 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly, I'm afraid you're correct. Most people of limited mental capacity can tell they are limited. People like Tony are more along the lines of a nut-job who can't see they live in a different reality than everyone else.


RE: Schizophrenic
By Tony Swash on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 3:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
"Stunning example of the Dunning–Kruger effect"

OK, giving you the benefit of the doubt here, I have a serious question for you Tony. If not a mental issue, how can you explain a man who spends so much of his time on the internet at a tech website defending a company and the products they make, and the political moves they make. I cant see any reason other than of of the two scenarios... Either you are being paid or otherwise compensated to do what you do, or you are just that overly zealous about Apple that you just have to do this all day. If its the latter, I stand by my assertion that you have mental issues... But, please enlighten us all as to your motive. We are waiting.


RE: Schizophrenic
By Tony Swash on 7/7/12, Rating: -1
RE: Schizophrenic
By themaster08 on 7/8/2012 3:47:18 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
That may upset some people but there are plenty of people around here who want Android to crush Apple so what's the difference?
Then there are those that are not complete brainwashed idiots and realise that competition is good for everyone.


RE: Schizophrenic
By themaster08 on 7/8/2012 3:47:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That may upset some people but there are plenty of people around here who want Android to crush Apple so what's the difference?
Then there are those that are not complete brainwashed idiots and realise that competition is good for everyone.


RE: Schizophrenic
By retrospooty on 7/8/2012 9:35:33 AM , Rating: 2
" tell me how that is different to those on this forums who spend so much time attacking said company?"

Because most of us here are here for tech news and we are involved in commenting on all stories on all sorts of products, not just Apple related. You on the other hand are here solely to defend Apples honor, as if it is some wispy southern belle that cant take care of it self and needs "a mayan to defeyund huh"

"What's so telling is how fragile some people's mental state and world view is when all it takes to make them hopping mad is a different opinion."

I get your point, some people are like that, but most of us here arent pissed at your opinion, its your constantly biased postings that are irritating. I swear if Apple came out with a pro child porn stance, you would defend child porn. Not because you are pro child porn, but because Apple is.

"Stop being such pussies and grow a pair."

LOL... That is the first normal thing I think I've seen you post. +1


RE: Schizophrenic
By lexluthermiester on 7/8/2012 12:01:24 AM , Rating: 2
That was, singularly, one of the most pithy responses I have ever read. Not to mention pathetic. While your interpretation may have a degree of lucidity, it is also misconstrued. Mr. Jobs admitted openly, on many occasions, to having "borrowed" inspiration from many others' works. This IS NOT a new concept. EVERYONE does it! That is how we, as creatures of intelligence and reason, learn from one another. We see something and it inspires a different take on the same idea. And every once in a while, someone comes up with something new.

Prime example; The iPad. Do you think Apple came up with it? Not a chance in hell. The creators of Star Trek; The Next Generation did, in 1986 when they created props for the show. Manufacturers came up with similar ideas in the late 90's, but it wasn't until 2008 did we have technology of a type that was able to emulate such a grand idea envisioned by Gene Roddenberry and his master SciFi crew. Apple has made a very compelling copy of that idea. But it is only that, A COPY! Android is doing much the same. And each are getting better at it.

The point is; Why defend an undefendable perspective? It's pointless and solves nothing. Steve Jobs knew that he was a copier. But he took coping and modding to the point of an art form. And he was proud of his copied/inspired creations. What he and the rest of the crones at Apple need to be ashamed of is their unethical patent trolling, fear mongering and legal heavy-handedness. For that reason alone, I shall not purchase an Apple product until they pull their head from their butt-cracks...


RE: Schizophrenic
By lexluthermiester on 7/8/2012 12:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
I want to reiterate; I said "Prime example; The iPad. Do you think Apple came up with it? Not a chance in hell."

I wish to restate.

Prime example; The iPad. Do you think Apple came up with it? Not a snowballs' chance on the surface of a type O star.


RE: Schizophrenic
By themaster08 on 7/8/2012 4:20:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Prime example; The iPad. Do you think Apple came up with it? Not a chance in hell. The creators of Star Trek; The Next Generation did, in 1986 when they created props for the show. Manufacturers came up with similar ideas in the late 90's, but it wasn't until 2008 did we have technology of a type that was able to emulate such a grand idea envisioned by Gene Roddenberry and his master SciFi crew. Apple has made a very compelling copy of that idea. But it is only that, A COPY! Android is doing much the same. And each are getting better at it.
What I don't understand is that Tony laughs at the suggestion that a modern interpretation of a tablet can be found in Star Trek, but he doesn't find it funny that Apple is allowed to patent an idea of a tablet that they wouldn't manufacture for years to come. What's the difference? They're both an idea, an interpretation. Because one is a television series and the other is a consumer electronics company? That doesn't necessarily mean that Apple's patent would come to manufacturing fruition, and just because it did, that doesn't discredit the idea was thought up before Apple.

Hell, the scetches in Apple's tablet patent don't even look like the iPad, it looks like the Compaq TC1000. Just look at it. It could be anything. It's 2 rectangles, one within another. It's that generic, even the iPad doesn't completely follow it. It has no physical button on the front. The designs don't show the left and right sides. It shows nothing on the bottom, where the iPad has a speaker and the 30-pin connector. It shows a circle on the top, which could be an on/off button, or it could be an LED. the iPad's on/off button is not circular. What kind of research and development did Apple have to spend to come up with such a unique design? Who granted this?!

Well, who am I kidding, of course Tony laughs at it, because it doesn't suit his bias.


RE: Schizophrenic
By vicarious1 on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By WalksTheWalk on 7/5/2012 4:13:07 PM , Rating: 5
So a patent on a bounce animation survived. I can't believe it was issued in the first place, but that survives legal scrutiny? WTF is the world coming to.




RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Manch on 7/5/2012 5:03:38 PM , Rating: 1
Obamacare survived too. Its a crazy new world!


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Belard on 7/5/2012 7:52:53 PM , Rating: 2
But since it's a copy of Romneycare, you should praise it. Romney himself said it worked great and saved the state money.

Note the HCRA states that a state can override the fed if their system is better.


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/5/2012 9:14:28 PM , Rating: 2
That's the same tripe the media is trying to dumb America down with.

Romneycare was fine because it was a state program, and as a sovereign state they were within their rights to reform healthcare. For their state.

The problem with Obamacare is that it shatters the small limited Government with separated powers that the Constitution decreed this Union to be.

There's nothing praiseworthy about this situation. The only ones who could possibly support it are either diehard Liberals who think the ends justify the means, or those too ignorant to truly understand the implications of what just happened to our once free country.


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By retrospooty on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/5/2012 10:37:58 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly. What Government are all these people supporting Obamacare looking at? Medicare bankrupt. Social Security bankrupt. They can't even run the Postal Service! It's going bankrupt too. The whole country is bankrupt!

But Healthcare, one sixth of our economy? Oh yeah, they'll run that really well I'm sure /sarcasm.

Of course the whole point of Obamacare is wealth redistribution, so the less efficient the better in these peoples minds.


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By sprockkets on 7/5/2012 11:53:01 PM , Rating: 3
So? State governments are going broke as well. Why mention the postal service when it hasn't been run by the gov in years? Why is mandating people get healthcare run by private corporations "wealth redistribution"?

And better yet, what makes you think that conservatives/republicans and their ideals are the solution to this problem? Unless you've figured out how to overcome the laws of thermodynamics you, liberals, libertarians, conservatives or whatever or whoever else aren't going to solve the issues that plague this nation, nor what ills the rest of the world.


By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2012 12:43:35 AM , Rating: 4
The Postal Service is a Government agency, so I don't know what you're talking about.

The USPS is created as a government agency under Title 39, Section 101.1 of the United States Code which states, in part:

(a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.

Furthermore the Postal Service is exempt from paying federal taxes. Sound like a private industry to you? Yeah right. There is also a yearly "Postal Service Fund" where Congress gives the service money.

How in the hell you can sit there and claim it's not being run by the Government is absurd. Study history.

quote:
And better yet, what makes you think that conservatives/republicans and their ideals are the solution to this problem?


I wouldn't accept any solution that sweeps aside the Constitution in one fell swoop, no matter what side it comes from.


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By gamerk2 on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2012 1:01:26 AM , Rating: 1
You're an idiot. Everything went to hell under Carter! Reagan inherited a worst economy than Obama did in '08. I love how you people cite ONE statistic and claim things went to "hell" when in fact Reagan brought us out of the brink. The largest peacetime growth of the US economy happened under Reagan. Hell under Reagan inflation went from 10% to 4%.

You have a lot to learn kid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Paj on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2012 10:14:33 AM , Rating: 3
Seems like you're only bringing up the negatives for some reason. And ignoring the explosive economic growth, the massive cutting of inflation under Reagan, and the prosperity of the nation as a whole. The 2.4 million private sector jobs added to the economy per-year under Reagain.

quote:
The parallel tax system hit middle class Americans the hardest by reducing their deductions and effectively raising their taxes.


Ummm where are you getting this from? Reagan made tax changes that eliminated the Federal Income tax burden for nearly 40% of all Americans. In fact as much as it might pain Conservatives to admit this, but because of Reagan we have nearly half the country today not paying income taxes.

People like Gamer, and probably you, refuse to understand that you CAN lower taxes and actually gross MORE federal revenue. Federal Income taxes only make up about a third of the Fed revenue. When you lower taxes, you spur economic growth, and in turn the Government grosses MORE revenue. Every time taxes have been lowered, there has been a corresponding increase in federal revenue.

Liberals will bring up Clinton and his great "balanced budgets". Well what did Clinton do in 1997? Yup, he cut taxes!

This is a nice simple non-partisan read if you're interested. Using all easily researched data.
http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutfact...


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 8:15:00 AM , Rating: 2
"Everything went to hell under Carter! Reagan inherited a worst economy than Obama did in '08."

True Reagan inherited a mess and it made Reagans #'s look much worse than they should have been, but you gotta give Obama that same slack. Obama inherited a worse mess than Reagen by far though. Granted he did crap with it, most of what we are dealing with today would have happened to anyone that was elected. Even Reagan... It was unstopable as of January 2009.


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2012 4:11:43 PM , Rating: 1
Retro it will be really cool when you can take the kid gloves off and actually judge Obama. The apologist stance you take is indefensible.

quote:
Obama inherited a worse mess than Reagen by far though.


Since there are very few numbers that actually support this statement, I figure you just said it because it sounded good at the time.

quote:
but you gotta give Obama that same slack.


Oh we are. I think he needs a break in fact.

And when Romney is elected, and the economy actually REALLY improves, it's going to be funny watching everyone claim it was because of some delayed result of Obama's plans and reckless spending.


By lexluthermiester on 7/8/2012 12:43:27 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that Romney is the better candidate, but there is not promise of his election. There are not enough middle ground moderates in this country to guarantee his election.

To many extremist liberals and conservatives fighting over power. Not enough people willing to do the correct thing, for the correct reason at the correct time. And I am NOT talking about political correctness. Political correctness is anything but correct MOST of the time. I'm talking about proper correctness. Doing what's right regardless of popular opinion.


RE: Bounce Animation Patent...Really?
By Paj on 7/6/2012 7:18:18 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
But Healthcare, one sixth of our economy? Oh yeah, they'll run that really well I'm sure /sarcasm.


Its not like US Healthcare is working great at the moment. It has one of the worst health records of any OECD nation, even with more being spent per capita than any other nation.

Sure, its fine if you have lots and lots of money. But not everyone has that.

Public health services dont completely supplant private providers. The private model is there for those that have the money to use it. At least thats the way it works pretty much everywhere else.


By leviathan05 on 7/9/2012 10:45:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but many believe that the best way to improve health care would have been less regulation, not more.


By lexluthermiester on 7/8/2012 12:20:50 AM , Rating: 1
Reclaimer, rarely before have we so been on the same page.

With this one you are spot on. The United States of America was once "The land of the free". Now we are becoming "The land of the free if the government says it's ok". Tyranny is taking hold in this country and fear is driving it. I am going to be one of those people who the Feds will have to come after for refusing to participate. Now if Utah wants to come up with their own, better, version of doing things, I'll join in.

I have in the past, disagreed strongly with many of your points. But we have one thing in common, neither of us are mindless sheep. This country could use more people like us...


By Manch on 7/6/2012 3:51:27 AM , Rating: 3
What's praise worthy about...

-2.3 percent tax on medical device makers

--now everything from crutches to pacemakers will cost more. How does this save me money?

-raising the tax threshold from 7.5 to 10 percent before you can deduct high medical expenses.

-limiting flexible spending accounts to $2500

--These are pre-tax accounts that many families with special needs children or the disabled use to pay for medical care. It was unlimited before. Now its capped, and they will have less money to pay for their care.

-Raising the top dividend rate rises from 15 to 43.4 percent, and top capital gains rate from 10 to 23.8 percent.

--Im not rich, and this is going to kil my investments. Im pulling everything out before I lose any gains to this absurd tax hike.

None of these things were done under Romneycare


By shyhh on 7/6/2012 2:35:09 AM , Rating: 2
Who are patent office working for anyway.. Walt disney?


pic
By kleinma on 7/5/2012 3:16:53 PM , Rating: 5
I love the thumbnail picture... priceless




RE: pic
By corduroygt on 7/5/2012 4:50:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's cool but kinda NSFW...


RE: pic
By vanionBB on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: pic
By sprockkets on 7/5/2012 5:39:26 PM , Rating: 3
Well it isn't like an actual person doing it but...

We could make it funnier and picture the apple as being rotten and thus the Android is skullf*cking apple.


RE: pic
By ViroMan on 7/5/2012 11:35:56 PM , Rating: 2
Damn it... why can't you just keep rating something up? This would be a 300 by now. That is a great picture.


RE: pic
By CZroe on 7/8/2012 1:26:11 PM , Rating: 3
YOU are why.


RE: pic
By CZroe on 7/6/2012 5:41:17 PM , Rating: 2
Only to teenagers who think that crap is "mature" (quite the opposite, really).

I wonder if Jason Mick even thought for a second that it might not be appropriate for a professional news wire service?


RE: pic
By retrospooty on 7/6/2012 5:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
"I wonder if Jason Mick even thought for a second that it might not be appropriate for a professional news wire service?"

The last I checked this was a tech news/reviews site. Well, Anandtech is, Dailytech is more of a blog. But, if you dont like it, dont click there.


RE: pic
By CZroe on 7/8/2012 1:24:09 PM , Rating: 2
The reason there are two sites with two different names offering much of the same news is so that they can offer a stand-alone newswire service and get in line with the others as their own "customer" (helps promote the service). There are expected standards and levels of professional conduct in all news organizations (see DailyTech's "Ethics" ection). How do I know I won't like it before I click it? I shouldn't even have to.


RE: pic
By TakinYourPoints on 7/9/2012 1:11:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder if Jason Mick even thought for a second that it might not be appropriate for a professional news wire service?


You must be new here, "professional" and DT don't belong in the same sentence together


Tony
By momorere on 7/5/2012 5:14:39 PM , Rating: 3
Who wants to bet that Tony a.k.a. Testerguy a.k.a. MacDevDude will not post on this story ? They (Tony) always seem to post only on threads that he thinks will give him some sort of credibility with the tech community as everything he says is strictly "facts." I can't recall ever seeing him post on a topic that is so "anti-apple" in his eyes, yet it is strictly rulings from the courts




RE: Tony
By retrospooty on 7/5/2012 9:04:21 PM , Rating: 2
You're absolutely right. Even when they do post, when you confront them with irrefutable facts they stop posting as if they didn't see it, this way they can come back 2 weeks later and act as if it never happened. It's actually really funny cycle I have been watching for the past year and it repeats again and again.


RE: Tony
By tamalero on 7/6/2012 8:57:52 AM , Rating: 2
he already did post.. except? he's still making excuses..
love how he claims this:

quote:
I understand that some people like Android, like Samsung and also often don't like Apple. That's OK that's just their opinion


except he never understand, he just goes to attack and try to invalidate like a rabid fanboy.


RE: Tony
By drycrust3 on 7/6/2012 4:31:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who wants to bet that Tony a.k.a. Testerguy a.k.a. MacDevDude will not post on this story ?

No, I don't think so. Tony using two other "logins" (nome de plumes, aliases, or whatever they call them) as well on this website?? That just doesn't equate with the impression Tony gives of himself. I'm sure those other names are used by similarly thinking other individuals.
And, no, I can assure you that I'm not Tony either ... I use a 64 bit processor Lenovo laptop running 64 bit Ubuntu 12.04 (with the Gnome Classic desktop), and at the moment I'm using the 64 bit Opera browser.


RE: Tony
By momorere on 7/6/2012 6:28:32 PM , Rating: 3
If you take notice, each persona has a different aspect for the love of Apple. The "Tony" personality talks more of the legal aspect of matters. The "Testerguy" speaks more the functionality side of things. The "MacDevDude" is more into the programming of iOS. He splits it up into 3 "different" people to try to further his agenda of how great Apple is but, we all know that he is just a delusional fanboy that just so happens to be on their payroll. It is really sad when companies have to stoop to new lows in hiring bloggers and such to speak highly of themselves.

What else should we actually expect from a company that is too afraid of competition and tries to sue their way to a monopoly ?


RE: Tony
By drycrust3 on 7/6/2012 7:05:58 PM , Rating: 2
In one of his posts, Tony said that he wished he was paid by Apple to write on this forum, so I take it from that that he isn't employed by Apple. Considering the amount of flak thrown at him, I would say his being paid would be well deserved. I think he just likes Apple products.


RE: Tony
By testerguy on 7/7/2012 12:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
Just to clarify, I'm not Tony... I don't even particularly like or care about Apple, I own no shares in them and honestly when friends ask me which phone to get I often recommend Androids.

I'm just a normal tech guy with my own custom rig, including OCZ Revodrive and i7 extreme, running perfectly silently (Zalman ZM-850 PSU) with a Vapor-X graphics card and Samsung 830 SSD for Storage (+30" Monitor).

I also have a Macbook Air because it's simply the best lightweight laptop at the moment, but I run Windows on it - Windows is simply far far better, IMHO.

I don't have an iPhone 4S, and I am due a new phone soon. I will be choosing between SG3 and iPhone 5, it seems.

I find that on this site there are too many instances where people overstate how bad Apple or their products are. I simply aim to correct any of those claims which are incorrect. I don't see many people on here slagging off Android devices incorrectly, but if I did I would correct them too.


RE: Tony
By Tony Swash on 7/8/12, Rating: 0
RE: Tony
By Tony Swash on 7/7/2012 1:56:51 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
If you take notice, each persona has a different aspect for the love of Apple. The "Tony" personality talks more of the legal aspect of matters. The "Testerguy" speaks more the functionality side of things. The "MacDevDude" is more into the programming of iOS. He splits it up into 3 "different" people to try to further his agenda of how great Apple is but, we all know that he is just a delusional fanboy that just so happens to be on their payroll. It is really sad when companies have to stoop to new lows in hiring bloggers and such to speak highly of themselves.

What else should we actually expect from a company that is too afraid of competition and tries to sue their way to a monopoly ?


Wow! All that's missing is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

Perhaps you saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-jzblCbsuA

and thought is was a documentary :)

Simply disagreeing with some people can, apparently, tip them into a paranoid delusional state.

Who knew :)


Bounce Animation
By Horizon79 on 7/5/2012 4:31:28 PM , Rating: 3
How did that one patent still survive? Is bounce Animation an "invention"??




RE: Bounce Animation
By boeush on 7/5/2012 5:05:37 PM , Rating: 3
Assuming there's no prior art, I'd actually call this one a valid invention. That's because it is not obvious apriori.

The more natural way to implement zooming and scrolling with gestures, would be the same way those are handled in traditional UIs with scrollbars and zoom buttons.

In other words, the obvious and traditional response when scrolling and you hit the end of the document, is that you just hard-stop. The idea that you are allowed to scroll slightly past the end of the document (thus visually aiding your determination where the document's end actually is), then when you release automatically snapping back like a rubber band to maximize the view of the document on-screen -- is a neat and convenient technique, and not one that's obvious. If it were obvious, it would've long since been present on all sorts of other interfaces (e.g. Windows desktops.)


RE: Bounce Animation
By JediJeb on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: Bounce Animation
By sprockkets on 7/5/2012 5:54:32 PM , Rating: 2
The "bounce" you refer to has prior art in other areas. I've seen it in video games.

In any case while HTC uses the bounce look, stock android uses the "glow" and now they and HTC use the "accordion" look.

It's just apple trying to patent the "look and feel" of something instead of inventing something actually worth patenting.


RE: Bounce Animation
By Solandri on 7/6/2012 5:19:35 AM , Rating: 6
Yeah, the bounce has long been a staple in animation. So's the squash (like a rubber ball flattening as it bounces), though I haven't seen that implemented yet in UIs (unless that's the accordion animation you mention). It probably will be eventually though, with more graphics processing being shifted over to 3D hardware. Both had their own video explaining the concept and how to animate them in the copy of 3D Studio I played with in the early 1990s.

Technically, the "bounce" is just a transient response from a slightly underdamped system (overshoot). Like how your car suspension responds if you jump on the bumper. Looks cool, but there's nothing innovative about it that hasn't been known for centuries. Should be obvious to anyone with an engineering background who asks himself "how do I give a virtual item 'weight'?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_response


RE: Bounce Animation
By Schmide on 7/6/2012 12:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
Technically I think I had a RCA TV set in the mid 70s that perfected this animation through a faulty flyback circuit.

Prior art?

All errors are undocumented features waiting to be discovered.


By voodoobunny on 7/5/2012 4:37:01 PM , Rating: 5
... couldn't they
(a) get Apple's patent invalidated in the US, and
(b) get an injunction stopping Apple from selling any products that infringe their own patent (like Apple did to HTC)?

This could be very *very* dangerous territory for Apple, because it could cost them sales of *all* their iOS devices in the US. And maybe Europe too.

*hope hope*




By voodoobunny on 7/5/2012 4:40:03 PM , Rating: 4
And wouldn't that make Neonode just a *prime* takeover target? After all, if they own the patent that holds the key to Apple's temporary destruction, how much would it be worth to, say, Google or Samsung or HTC to get hold of those patents and then exercise them?


By Lifted on 7/5/2012 7:17:29 PM , Rating: 2
I've been wondering that for a while. They have a market cap of $230M. Peanuts compared to the damage this could cause for Apple and everyone else using this swipe to lock feature.

Maybe the board members were given hundreds of millions in
Apple stock to just let it be.


By TSS on 7/6/2012 12:28:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
(a) get Apple's patent invalidated in the US, and


Oh! Oh! I know this one!

No.

Because the US patent system got reformed not too long ago, from a first-to-invent system based on the constitution, to a First-to-file system based on the corperations.

So since apple filed this patent first, even though the neonode was already on the market, they are the legitimate owners of the patent.

And that's why i keep laughing when people say "patent reform". With those corrupt cronies in charge you're only going to make things worse.


By erple2 on 7/6/2012 4:17:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So since apple filed this patent first, even though the neonode was already on the market, they are the legitimate owners of the patent.


but that right there violates prior art. If the neonode was on the market after apple filed for patent, then that is something different. I don't know how that works.


Poetic Justice
By TileGuyJesse on 7/6/2012 12:20:18 AM , Rating: 4
.."And that's not to mention Windows Phone 8 who also makes iOS 6 look like a 2007-era dead-end."
Beautiful!




No words...
I can't believe some of these
By Milliamp on 7/5/2012 6:45:11 PM , Rating: 2
If you have a touch screen phone with no keyboard, doesn't it kind of make sense that you would use the screen to unlock the phone too?

I agree if someone designs something unique they have a right to patent it, but Apple is winning cases with the most obvious crap like "it looks like an iPhone" (duh, it is a flat rectangle with a display like every display in the last 10 years) not to mention the touch screen LG Prada that came before the iPhone looked just like it too.

Maybe it is time to make a community website for following Apple patent cases and listing out the patents they are claiming Android phones violate so others can assist in locating examples of prior art.

Sure Apple lost this case for slide to unlock this time but they will win in courts in other jurisdictions and they will appeal this ruling.

We could maybe help search for prior art for patents, we could email representatives. What else can we do to help?




By Omega215D on 7/6/2012 12:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
It appears he seems to feel like this:

"You just have this proliferation of patents," Posner said. "It's a problem."

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Judge-who-threw-out...




By wannabemedontu on 7/6/2012 9:15:35 AM , Rating: 2
This is the first common sense judgement on patent issues I have seen from any judge on the planet, literally. Why is it so hard for other judges to see this? Are they just technologically ignorant? or do they own Apple stock?




New great patent idea!
By ct760ster on 7/6/2012 9:37:56 PM , Rating: 2
Hey guys at Apple Inc. , I got a great idea and think if you're interested in helping me to file a patent about it. It's called 'The Middle Finger Swipe Unlock' or TMFSU for short. It's quite unique in that it require the sole and compelling action of rubbing the middle finger up and down the screen (otherwise in anyother available position) to trigger the unlocking of the screen. Nobody has tried this unique gesture to unlock smart-ASS-phone yet. I'm sure you would be very proud to be the first to carry out this innovative gdaget in your pricey (ojo)phones. If somebody try to imitate your patent just show them your middle finger LOL. ;)




Pink Elephants
By Stuka on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: Pink Elephants
By Reclaimer77 on 7/5/2012 4:02:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Then, maybe my dream of having a sliding hardware switch to lock/unlock will be implemented across the board.


No thanks. A switch like that would break WAY before a touch screen would.


Question
By Gondor on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
mistake in your post
By NeoReaper on 7/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: mistake in your post
By geddarkstorm on 7/5/2012 3:58:28 PM , Rating: 3
Here's a shot of iOS 1.0 from 2007 http://www.mobilesdna.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/...

The real difference between 1.0 and 6.0 visually from what I see is in the graphic for the pinned icons on the bottom.


RE: mistake in your post
By Lonyo on 7/5/2012 4:22:56 PM , Rating: 2
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
And if two competitors (Palm and Microsoft) come out with things which have been widely noted as at least equal, if not superior, still don't fix it.


RE: mistake in your post
By NeoReaper on 7/5/2012 4:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
i agree with you completely, both android and ios have a very nice foundation which doesnt need much change. besides if you change too much, you might alienate your existing user base. i find microsoft's layout most intriguing but then again it is the newest one as well. on a side note, why is this site filled with such silly children that down rate me for posting something informational (thumbnail mistake)?


RE: mistake in your post
By JediJeb on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: mistake in your post
By NeoReaper on 7/5/2012 6:55:05 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, so true. that's a great observation.


RE: mistake in your post
By daveinternets on 7/5/2012 7:05:02 PM , Rating: 3
It might be best to refrain from commenting on things you have no experience with. There is a big difference between the "squares" on Windows Phone 8 and those of Android and iOS. Mainly that the "squares" in WP8 display useful information without having to waste time loading the actual app.


RE: mistake in your post
By sprockkets on 7/5/2012 11:43:23 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There is a big difference between the "squares" on Windows Phone 8 and those of Android and iOS. Mainly that the "squares" in WP8 display useful information without having to waste time loading the actual app.


Yes but that's what Android's widgets do. However you and others may like how they took the best of both and came up with Metro.

Personally my home page is a clock and nothing else, so my picture of me and my lady shows through. Kinda hard to do that by default on WP7/8.


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