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Apple has risen to a 10 percent U.S. market share in sales for the first time in years.  (Source: MacLife)

Lenovo posted even bigger international growth.  (Source: Flickr)

  (Source: guardian.co.uk/)
Lenovo wins even bigger in world sales

In a testament to its brilliant marketing, innovative packaging, and strong brand image, Apple, Inc. (AAPL) has reportedly achieved over 10 percent U.S. personal computer market share for the first time since the early 1990s.

Both Gartner, Inc. (IT) and IDC Research, Inc. -- two of the most prestigious market research firms -- have concluded [1][2] that Apple took 10.7 of the U.S. market in calendar quarter 2011.  The researchers used gathered shipment data to draw their conclusions, the most accurate of several market analytics approaches.

While the 10 percent figure represents computers sold in the quarter and not the total percentage of computers in operation, the study shows that consumers are increasingly picking Apple, even as the overall PC market struggles.

Incidentally, Apple's best-selling iPad tablet is cited as a major factor in declining PC sales.  Gartner estimates that sales dropped 5.6 percent year-to-year, while the IDC estimates that sales dipped 4.2 percent.  

Gartner analyst Mikako Kitagawa remarks, "Given the hype around media tablets such as the iPad, retailers were very conservative in placing orders for PCs. Instead, they wanted to secure space for media tablets. Some PC vendors had to lower their inventory through promotions, while others slimmed their product lines at retailers."

But Apple managed to buck the trend it helped create, posting 8.5 percent growth, according to Gartner, or 14.7 percent growth according to the IDC.  Both Gartner and the IDC say Apple is now in third place in PC sales.

Another clear "winner" was Japan's Toshiba Corp. (TYO:6502) who rose 3.3 percent according to Gartner, or 3.7 percent according to the IDC.  Toshiba bumped Taiwanese computer-maker ASUSTEK Computer Inc. (TPE:2357) to sixth place in U.S. sales.

Market-leader Hewlett-Packard Company (HPQ) and the Taiwanese Acer Inc. (TPE:2353) shed market share in the U.S.  In Acer's case, the fall was particularly precipitous, with both Gartner and IDC estimating its drop at over 20 percent.  Acer's fall was precipitated by the mild collapse of the netbook market, a key driver of its sales.

Dell, Inc. (DELL) lost ground to HP, dropping 10.2 percent (according to the IDC) or 9.8 percent (according to Gartner), however it still clung to second place.

Global sales showed anemic 2.3 percent growth (Gartner) or 2.6 percent growth (IDC).  HP and Dell both posted similar world growth and enjoyed the same rankings as in the U.S.  Apple did not rank in global sales.  

In global sales ASUSTEK occupied the fifth spot, with Acer's posting a smaller global lost and dropping to fourth.  Globally the biggest winner was Hong Kong-based Lenovo Group, Ltd. (HKG: 0992) who grew 22.9 percent (IDC) or 22.5 percent (Gartner) to seize third place.  Lenovo's biggest gains were in the U.S. and Japan, markets it has traditionally seen lower sales in.

Apple's rise from obscurity to a solid third place ranking in the U.S. is not without its shortcomings.  Apple has thus far struggled to replicate that growth globally, particularly in markets where price trumps image or where local players have a strong foothold (e.g. Asia).  The rise in market share has also led to a rising number of serious malware attacks on Apple's OS X platform -- a platform that has typically been ignored by hackers, thanks to its small market share.



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You get what you pay for
By MartyLK on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: You get what you pay for
By macdevdude on 7/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: You get what you pay for
By kleinma on 7/14/2011 3:15:55 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, and they don't get viruses, but even if they do, they still don't, because Apple will say they don't, which means they don't, even when they do.

There is also no chance that a mac's hard drive can fail, even though they use the same ones as PC laptops, they still can't fail, even though they can, but they won't, because Apple will say they don't, even when they do.

Then there is security. Mac has the best security, because Apple says it does, so it must, even though it doesn't.

Apple did not take top honors for the most insecure software in the world, even though they did, but they didn't, because Apple will not acknowledge that they have totally insecure hackable in 30 second software. Microsoft makes 2-3x the amount of software Apple does, and they still don't even come in second place for most software flaws.

http://www.techeye.net/security/apple-has-the-most...

Keep living in your dream world devdude, and hopefully you are an actual mac dev, so stevie can stick it to you good sucking up 30% of anything you might want to sell on his platform...


RE: You get what you pay for
By RjBass on 7/14/2011 2:50:31 PM , Rating: 5
Lol, wow, I see somebody really partakes in the kool-aid.


RE: You get what you pay for
By W00dmann on 7/14/2011 3:10:11 PM , Rating: 4
He's only expressing his opinion.

Perception of "value" can be subjective based upon the individual's needs and wants. In the case of laptops, if you want a solidly built laptop with superb battery life and access to Apple's app store, you pay extra and you buy the Mac. In exchange, you forgo being able to use a wide range of PC software and you "lock" yourself in to Apple's way of doing things. Conversely, if you want a less expensive laptop built from (typically) flimsier materials, but one that offers higher-spec'd components and compatibility with almost every application written on the planet, you buy a PC. PC's typically offer better "bang for buck" in the hardware / component department, but people may or may not value that over and above the Macbook's strengths. So you buy what you think works best for you.


RE: You get what you pay for
By Pirks on 7/14/2011 3:19:46 PM , Rating: 3
best post ever, I couldn't have put it better than you

*thumbs up*


RE: You get what you pay for
By macdevdude on 7/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: You get what you pay for
By Pirks on 7/14/2011 3:44:48 PM , Rating: 3
Correction: only the wealthy are picking Apple, majority is still picking Windows 'cause it's much cheaper and much more flexible and compatible solution


RE: You get what you pay for
By Methal on 7/17/2011 12:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is an Idiot company building crap for idiots who think if they spend a ton more they are getting better.


RE: You get what you pay for
By ApfDaMan on 7/14/2011 3:47:25 PM , Rating: 1
The free market isnt buying products based on w00dmans approach. they are completely blind to apples shortcomings, just as the average consumer has no idea about the limitations of a windows system. they are buying them because of their blind love for apple. very few people buy apple because they have legitimate reasons for thinking it is better for them.


RE: You get what you pay for
By Pirks on 7/14/2011 3:52:56 PM , Rating: 4
Even then, if you assume that only blind Apple followers get Apple products, the ever expanding number of such followers must give you a hint Apple is onto something that others don't know and/or don't have. Any kind of the cult can't grow without its leader giving them something. So, Apple thus is giving someting important to people, and this is why its cult is growing.

Uh, I'm basically saying here that there are some solid reasons for the number of Apple followers to grow. You should keep this in mind, it's important.


By snakeInTheGrass on 7/14/2011 10:16:51 PM , Rating: 1
Not thinking, knowing, but we get your point.


RE: You get what you pay for
By lukarak on 7/15/2011 12:43:28 AM , Rating: 2
That's simply not true. It's no fluke that apple sells almost 3/4 of their computers as laptops. There is no blind love for apple. People just don't care about price/performance ratio in this category, especially in the 13'' form factor, that is the most sold one for apple. Design is pretty important, mobility, build quality, and apple is either tied with the competition, or light years ahead in these areas.

Plus, here in Croatia, i can sell my old macbook, almost 4 years old, for around 3000 kunas, which is around $500. My HP 15'', i can't sell for 1500, so around $250, although it was just 7% cheaper when i bought it. I think it would go for $200.


RE: You get what you pay for
By amanojaku on 7/14/2011 3:42:51 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
He's only expressing his opinion.
Does this sound like an opinion to you?
quote:
In the case of Mac OS, you get higher quality and reliability. They cost more because they are better.
He stated an opinion as fact.
quote:
In the case of laptops, if you want a solidly built laptop with superb battery life and access to Apple's app store, you pay extra and you buy the Mac.
More opinion stated as fact.
quote:
Conversely, if you want a less expensive laptop built from (typically) flimsier materials, but one that offers higher-spec'd components and compatibility with almost every application written on the planet, you buy a PC.
More opinion stated as fact.

Apple makes three notebooks. Dell, HP, and Lenovo make around 20 between them. I won't bother naming all the other vendors. Quality runs the gamut, but it has been MY experience that Apple is among the worst. All of my MacBook friends need repairs every year, starting with the DVD drive, then hard drive, motherboard, and finally the screen.

Even my crappy Dells made out of tissue paper have lasted at least two years without a repair. The most solid laptop I have ever used is an HP workstation, but Lenovo has models, even thin and light ones smaller than a MacBook, that come close to its level of sturdiness. Most of these systems are cheaper than a similarly spec'd MacBook, too. My OPINION.


RE: You get what you pay for
By W00dmann on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: You get what you pay for
By mircea on 7/15/2011 3:25:58 AM , Rating: 2
I know why this is:
quote:
the absurdly high customer satisfaction levels with Apple products, highest in the industry by a wide margin


Most Apple buyers are so in love (or protective/wanting to prove they payed more for getting more) with their Apple products, that they put in this survey as a plus that "I can just drop my laptop at the Apple store when it brakes and come back 3 day later and pick it up all fixed".

This wile most PC users complain and put as minus on survey every time they do something stupid and have to manually restart the computer (no real repairs needed).


By inperfectdarkness on 7/14/2011 3:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
let's be fair. the jonestown cult drank flavor-aid, not kool-aid. :)

i'll thank you to stop despoiling the kool-aid name, or else be prepared to reap the whirlwind the next time somebody shouts "OH YEAH!"


RE: You get what you pay for
By sabbede on 7/14/2011 3:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
Not really. The only quality difference I have seen in Macs is in hardware design. They are quite elegant and often lovely.
However, the components themselves are nothing special and a PC can be assembled with the exact same components (different case obviously) for far less.
As for the OS, its really nothing special. For my own needs/purposes, it would be a serious disadvantage. The locked in nature of the software (including the draconian guidelines of the new app store), and the general lack of openness and configuration is just plain wrong.
Truly, a terrible lack of flexibility. A lack of freedom.
It is the openness and flexibility of the PC that permits the instabilities one may encounter. A trade-off I consider more than worthwhile.
Besides, if you're a gamer (like me) then buying a Mac is just a waste of money. Of all the games I play (and there are many) only one is available for the Mac.

Of course, there are certain applications that remain heavily Mac-centric or are available only on the Mac. So, if you need them, you need a Mac.
Or, perhaps all you want to do is check your email and browse the web while showing off the fact that you have money to waste.
Or, you just might not be capable of handling anything more complicated then the striped-down, oversimplified Mac OS. Nobody's fault of course. Some people just aren't that bright.


RE: You get what you pay for
By TakinYourPoints on 7/14/2011 8:57:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
However, the components themselves are nothing special and a PC can be assembled with the exact same components (different case obviously) for far less.


The keyboard, trackpad, and displays are why I have the Macs that I have. Internals are only one part of the equation. It is the price:horsepower:size:weight:interface:battery life ratio that MBPs balance so well. If you want to spend less then one or more of these things will be compromised. That's totally cool btw, everyone should be aware of their budget.

quote:
As for the OS, its really nothing special. For my own needs/purposes, it would be a serious disadvantage. The locked in nature of the software (including the draconian guidelines of the new app store), and the general lack of openness and configuration is just plain wrong.


I don't understand this argument. The App Store is completely optional, nothing is stopping you from buying software from other sources. It is also far less draconian than Steam in that it isn't nearly as restrictive a piece of DRM, and I LOVE Steam. All my games except for Starcraft 2 and League Of Legends are bought on Steam. If I can't complain about Steam then I sure as hell am not going to complain about the App Store.

As for the operating system, it is as configurable as Windows, and you actually get more control if you know your way around a Unix command line terminal. Now if you want to talk about unnecessary complexity then yes, Windows has that over OS X. There is no reason why something as simple as changing file permissions takes 5-6 steps in Windows 7 (if you know EXACTLY what you're doing) as opposed to two logical steps in OS X. The submenus and preference panes are my only real complaints about Windows 7 at this point, and hopefully they address them in Windows 8.

quote:
Besides, if you're a gamer (like me) then buying a Mac is just a waste of money. Of all the games I play (and there are many) only one is available for the Mac.


I agree, but it also depends on the games. Most of what I play is available on both operating systems (Valve/Blizzard games and League Of Legends), but if you want everything and gaming is a prime focus then you'll obviously want a Windows PC, both for OS support and faster GPUs. I've built my own uber-PCs since 97 and I'm not stopping anytime soon. :)

quote:
Of course, there are certain applications that remain heavily Mac-centric or are available only on the Mac. So, if you need them, you need a Mac.


Yup, Final Cut Studio here. My Mac is for work while my PC is for games. Works out fine here. Its actually great since my 27" iMac functions as the main display for my PC, its like I got a $1000+ monitor with a fast Mac built into it.

quote:
Or, perhaps all you want to do is check your email and browse the web while showing off the fact that you have money to waste.


Or maybe things like good displays, multitouch trackpads with full OS and application integration, good keyboards, magsafe connectors, excellent customer service, and battery life are important to you. If someone wants to spend the cash on a MBP then it isn't always because they are deluded, there are several practical and logical reasons why they are desirable over other brands. Most notebooks outside of Macs and Lenovos just aren't very good.


RE: You get what you pay for
By Pirks on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: You get what you pay for
By maven81 on 7/15/2011 12:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
"As for the operating system, it is as configurable as Windows, and you actually get more control if you know your way around a Unix command line terminal."

Are you serious? You can't even change the appearance of the OS without downloading iffy 3rd party applications, and I'm talking about simple things here like fonts and colors. The fact that you need to get into the terminal to get to the guts of the OS is a failure, not a feature. I shouldn't need to use the command line to perform basic tasks. And sometimes you don't even have a choice. You mentioned file permissions. I've had many instances where doing it through the GUI kept failing, and only doing it through the terminal finally did it correctly.
But aside from that, the OS is incredibly slow (basic things like redrawing windows and opening applications. Even on a mac pro I experience the dreaded beachball). It's got awful memory management (tries to keep everything running, which eats up your ram very quickly and starts paging to disk. Or assigns half a gig of ram just to firefox!) I'm sorry but it's a fisher price OS and I say that as someone that has to use it the whole day every day at work.


Ipad /= PC
By spamreader1 on 7/14/2011 2:23:21 PM , Rating: 2
Last time I checked anyway...




RE: Ipad /= PC
By dubldwn on 7/14/2011 2:34:08 PM , Rating: 2
I think the claim here is that some people bought an iPad instead of a PC. You know, like that netbook crowd. Although I could have swore I read an article here that disputed that phenomenon.


RE: Ipad /= PC
By icanhascpu on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: Ipad /= PC
By mscrivo on 7/14/2011 2:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
by that definition, phones (even the dumb ones) fit into that category, even modern pocket calculators and gpses too. The OP's point is that traditional PC's are not in the same class as the iPad and I agree.


RE: Ipad /= PC
By icanhascpu on 7/14/2011 2:59:39 PM , Rating: 2
Then we'd have to come up with a proper name for them.


RE: Ipad /= PC
By sabbede on 7/14/2011 3:15:53 PM , Rating: 1
Perhaps the term "PC" can no longer be considered an acronym, but rather as a classification. A desk(lap)top computer running a non Mac OS.


RE: Ipad /= PC
By Natch on 7/14/2011 3:37:28 PM , Rating: 2
This is really going to throw a wrench into the whole Mac vs PC commercials!


RE: Ipad /= PC
By ShaolinSoccer on 7/14/2011 4:15:33 PM , Rating: 3
That's like saying how Apple is suing people over smartphones when smartphones are actually PC's but smaller... with added cellular tech...

*waves fist* damn you Apple!


RE: Ipad /= PC
By cerx on 7/14/2011 3:29:27 PM , Rating: 5
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Chlorine: a halogen element, a heavy, greenish-yellow, incombustible, water-soluble, poisonous gas that is highly irritating to the respiratory organs

Sodium + Chlorine: Regular salt.


RE: Ipad /= PC
By Golgatha on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: Ipad /= PC
By psonice on 7/15/2011 8:56:27 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe not, but a lot of people who have a PC also want a convenient portable. Last year they were buying netbooks, this year they're buying ipads. Netbooks are classed as PCs, thus ipads are taking market share from PCs. That's the reasoning.

I'm interested to see what effect iOS5 has on all this, because it won't be necessary to have a PC before buying an ipad any more. There's a lot of people out there who have near zero computing skills, but want web + email and a few basics. An ipad is ideal for those people, but not if you need a desktop as soon as you get it out of the box.


Timing is everything...
By nomagic on 7/14/2011 2:30:54 PM , Rating: 5
Is it worthwhile to write Mac virus now?




RE: Timing is everything...
By Taft12 on 7/14/2011 3:18:44 PM , Rating: 2
It was never worthwhile to write a virus. The $$$$$ is in botnets and phishing!


Analrapist
By ThatNewGuy on 7/14/2011 3:24:22 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry, every time I see the word "Analyst" I think of Tobias Funke and his combination of "analyst" and "therapist" as a profession.




RE: Analrapist
By sabbede on 7/14/2011 3:32:08 PM , Rating: 2
Easily the best business card ever.


RE: Analrapist
By foolsgambit11 on 7/15/2011 2:32:30 AM , Rating: 2
"It wasn't the pronunciation that bothered me..."


Go Lenovo
By Belard on 7/14/2011 9:38:16 PM , Rating: 3
If you need a cheap no frills PC desktop ($400~600) - Lenovo Desktops are pretty good. They don't have the crap-ware preload that you find on HPaq and Acer-gateway.




RE: Go Lenovo
By Kiffberet on 7/15/11, Rating: 0
By GatoRat on 7/14/2011 3:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
Market share is not the same as what shipped last quarter. Apple simply doesn't own 10% market share as detailed in your own poorly written article.




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By shaidorsai on 7/17/2011 9:03:24 AM , Rating: 2
I laugh because I was forced to use a 9 month old Mac at school for Photoshop class and it was absolutely horrible. File associations didn't appear to work correctly and the thing is very very slow. An example of broken file associations...trying to open a standard PDF file for course instructions failed. When I raised my hand and asked the professor why the assignment wouldn't open I got a 5 minute lecture on why the Mac is better than the PC at everything (even though I never said anything about a PC)and I was then instructed to follow some bizarre ass series of steps to get into the root drive and start Adobe Reader manually. Once that was done I had to go through all of the steps to log back into the class web portal and finally was able to read the PDF file. Seriously? When I said it was a one click process to read PDF files on my PC at home (and everywhere else in the known universe) I was again lectured on the merits of the Mac and how I needed to "get on board" with the graphic capabilities of the Mac or I wouldn't be successful with Photoshop. So after getting "on board" I sat and tried to run a bunch of filters on some high-res images I took for class...the basics really...just some Vibrance, Hue and Saturation adjustments...some Levels work and then some color matching on a group of photos using some custom Action scripts that I wrote at home. Painful is the only way I can describe the slowness of the dual core w/16gig of ram Mac. Painful.

I cry because after that experience I understand completely why kids coming out of school think Mac's are so good. They've had it beaten into them by misinformed asses like my professor.

Just so you know...for the almost the entirety class I sat and stared at the Mac while pretending to do useful work for that ignorant ass of a professor. After ever class I went home with my assignments and ran all the photoshop filters on my 3 year old quad core PC. Mine is running Win7 and Photoshop CS5 Extended and I sighed with relief almost every time at the speed and ease of use doing the same work.

100% true account of my personal experience with a relatively new Mac. And before any of the Macfanbois chastise me let me save you the trouble...as far as the Mac goes...yeah I already know, "I dont get it".




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By rangrangang on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By quiksilvr on 7/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By ClownPuncher on 7/14/11, Rating: 0
RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Pirks on 7/14/2011 3:14:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why get a Mac in this day and age?
Because people buy things not just by specs like GB, GHz, HP and such.
quote:
utterly destroy what Mac offers at the price point
Well, destroying Macs by specs (better GeeBees for the same price) not gonna work. If they want to compete with Macs properly they will have to start destroying Macs not by specs but by the qualities people are actually choose their computers for nowadays.


By AssBall on 7/14/2011 3:20:25 PM , Rating: 4
The whole PC industry has slown down in general mostly because a four year old PC works just as good in everyday software as a brand new one does. Computers are more reliable than ever too. The only people buying new ones every year or more frequently are those who run specialty software, have money burning in their pockets, or as a fashion accessory.

/personal opinion


By ShaolinSoccer on 7/14/2011 4:23:38 PM , Rating: 2
I went to Best Buy with a client of mine to buy a new pc. He had plenty of money. I showed him what all he could do with a PC and how safe he would be if he let me set it up. He took one look at the Apple Mac and bought it because it was "pretty". Good thing he doesn't use it for much...

But hey, to each their own, right? I still got paid because after he saw it, I said "well, it does get less viruses, if any" and he bit...


By Nutzo on 7/14/2011 6:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
Not for long.
At 10% market share, they are going to increasingly attact more malware writters. The Fake AV that has receintly been hitting Mac's is only the begining....


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Taft12 on 7/14/2011 3:17:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...aluminum alternatives like the ENVY and other high quality laptops like the VAIO that utterly destroy what Mac offers at the price point.


Now that Macbooks are on Sandy Bridge, that's just not true anymore unless you're a hardcore gamer (and Mac users generally aren't)

None of the other OEMs can offer OSX which is what many non-techsavvy users prefer, making Mac the only choice right from the start.


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By sabbede on 7/14/2011 3:55:43 PM , Rating: 3
But is it actually any better for the non-tech savvy?
Is it really any easier to use? (Windows 7 is pretty simple and intuitive...)
If you start off with the Mac OS, you can become locked into the platform, cutting yourself off from the advantages of other platforms.

Besides, Sandy Bridge ain't no great shakes. CPU/GPU integration has a looong way to go before it can truly compete with discrete units.


By TakinYourPoints on 7/14/2011 4:19:31 PM , Rating: 2
Integrated GPUs make up the majority of laptops out there, mainly since so many are designed around either being big but cheap (ie - any given $600-$800 POS), or light and thin with an emphasis on battery life (ie - 13" MBP or Macbook Air, Lenovo x220, Sony VAIO Z, etc etc). Beefy dedicated GPUs are great but they also require a larger chassis, and form factor and battery life are both very important factors when we are talking about a portable device. Not everyone wants to lug around an 8+ lb behemoth with 2 hours of battery life.

I use both operating systems and while I think that Windows 7 is great on the desktop, OS X is better optimized towards laptops due to the systemwide integration of multitouch trackpad gestures, the UI scaling better towards smaller 15" and 13" displays, and superior power management which yields more battery life compared to if I was running Windows on the same machine. Applicationwise I'm not really missing anything at all (my favorite FTP and IM applications are actually both OS X exclusive, and I'd love a Windows port), and the games I play are generally available on both (Source games, Blizzard games, things like League Of Legends), so whatever.

I have no hate either way, I use and like both platforms, and both have very well defined positives and negatives. I can't think of ditching either. Windows desktop and a Mac laptop is something many of my friends have done and they're all really happy with it.


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Belegost on 7/14/2011 9:25:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
the UI scaling better towards smaller 15" and 13" displays,


The who-what now? As someone who has to support a vision-impaired coworker with a MBP, OSX is the worst of the major windowing systems (Windows, OSX, Gnome, KDE) for scaling elements.

Apple does not officially support DPI scaling in any way, and forcing it through devtools/config file adjustments breaks the UI in a way that clearly shows why. Text overlaps or simply cuts off, graphical elements and icons get cropped or overlap.

Even something as simple as changing the UI font size is terrible. Certain elements can be changed, such as the text IN the finder window, but not the text in the folder pane. You can get Tinkertool or the like to force the change, but you quickly realize why that's not available, as once again text ends up hiding under things, or merging together in fun and creative ways.

So as of right now, my friend is running an incredibly expensive 17" MBP at 1280x720 blur mode (yea, downscaling on that panel is painful) just to be able to find the menus.

Funny thing is that half the time he uses my $600 Dell with Win7 to do things because I set a user profile for him with higher DPI settings, and "magically" (am I allowed to use that word with Windows, or is it trademarked?) it just works!


By TakinYourPoints on 7/15/2011 5:34:24 AM , Rating: 1
I'm talking about managing windows and a desktop with limited display space, not font scaling. I should have selected my words better. Expose and Spaces are great tools for managing numerous application windows and the desktop when you only have a 13" or 15" display.

Adjusting from the default font size isn't something I really do in any OS, but pinching with the trackpad or command+shift+plus/minus keys has worked fine for me when I have in email, web browser, etc etc. I completely understand your issues with the menu bar and Finder not being adjustable though. Hopefully they finally fix that (without the need of the accessibility zoom tool) once resolution independence makes it in.


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Tony Swash on 7/14/11, Rating: -1
By sabbede on 7/14/2011 3:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
Apple's great skill seems to be in miniaturization and packaging. That is where they are actually innovative. Of course a good deal of their success comes from skillful marketing, but the marketing only works because they produce a good product in a small, pretty, box.
For example, the MacBook Air is incredibly thin and light; apart from that it is without advantage.
People like that sort of thing though. So they are bought.


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Ushio01 on 7/14/2011 4:16:04 PM , Rating: 1
The are 27 million mors citizens of the USA today than ten years ago so more retards = more Apple buyers.


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Ushio01 on 7/14/2011 4:18:17 PM , Rating: 2
Er I meant to say more :)


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Tony Swash on 7/14/11, Rating: -1
RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Pirks on 7/14/2011 7:12:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple never uses focus groups or significant market research
Please explain how this could be an advantage? Why researching market is bad?


By snakeInTheGrass on 7/14/2011 10:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
Zune brown? 700 products tailored to every possible whim of every possible consumer instead of making a few products that are better? Maybe because if market research is your #1 guide you have no actual vision?

Dunno. I can't really come up with any reasons either.


RE: Are people high or just incredibly stupid?
By Taft12 on 7/14/2011 11:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Please explain how this could be an advantage? Why researching market is bad?


It's certainly not ALWAYS bad, but look no further than the Windows Vista shutdown crapfest for what happens when there's too many cooks in the kitchen:

http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-...

The blog is from the guy who was responsible for that abomination (which has remained mostly the same into Windows 7)


By Pirks on 7/15/2011 12:34:06 AM , Rating: 2
This nice post about how f*cked up and bloated beyong belief MS became since its early years still has no relation to my question about why researching market is bad, sorry!


By Tony Swash on 7/15/2011 4:26:36 AM , Rating: 1
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:Apple never uses focus groups or significant market research Please explain how this could be an advantage? Why researching market is bad?


Before the invention of the car if you had had based your product development on market research into what consumers of transport wanted you would decided to breed a better horse.

The fact that Apple does no traditional market research and yet has produced a string of immensely popular products is in itself an interesting phenomena, unfortunately the scale of Apple phobic piffle on this forum often obscures debate about such interesting topics.


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