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quote: Why is it OK for Apple to do it, and not others?
quote: So, it sounds like you are claiming that the validity of a patent is based on how well something sells...
quote: Anyway, truly innovative products rarely sell well (at least initially). If it's TRULY innovative, people don't know what to do with it. Most people don't even want innovation - they want products that do things they already do, but better. This is what Apple's good at. Not innovation. AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. In fact, judging from a financial perspective, there's a lot right with that...
quote: So, its OK for Apple to copy Neonode, because they made slide unlock better. And its OK for Apple to copy Palm because they made the smartphone better.
quote: OK, so by that logic Android should be fine then. Google added to the tech and now make a far superior product. Problem solved... Android 4.0 blows IOS away, and there are many many phone hardware designs on Android that blow the iPhone away as well.
quote: It's OK for Apple to copy Neonode because they didn't infringe upon a patent(on the evidence so far).
quote: Just because Apple innovated doesn't necessarily mean they didn't copy - but it does mean they innovated so they don't 'just' copy.
quote: While I don't agree that Android blows iOS away ( I actually am quite indifferent , both do everything the end user needs)
quote: LOL....the evidence is all AROUND YOU. You choose to ignore it.
quote: quote: Just because Apple innovated doesn't necessarily mean they didn't copy - but it does mean they innovated so they don't 'just' copy. Can you contradict yourself anymore here? Either they did or they didn't. Evidence shows they did.
quote: I've stated that Apple did NOT infringe on Neonode patents.
quote: I think you have it backwards. There isnt a case, so Neonode isnt suing
quote: Neonode obviously doesn't believe Apple infringed upon their patent. Nor, clearly, do the Motorola lawyers.
quote: In Apple's case, they have plenty of money to buy the best team of corporate lawyers money can buy to send these cases to court in the hopes they can use their high prices lawyers to scrape out a victory. So for this has not happened. It will very likely fail because the patents are vague and not enforceable.
quote: What is Apple doing? Its a PR game. It's not that they think they have a case, its that they want people to think that they have a case. Sheep like you buy into and actually think apple invents and doesnt copy
quote: Low down, dirty law tricks and PR is all it is. It's a shame really, because Apple products are nice and well built and people want them. Apple is more than capable to compete on their own without the frivolous PR lawsuits.
quote: Secondly, don't ever try to tell me, a superior mind
quote: I'm posting logical facts, you... aren't.
quote: I grasp what you are saying you ignorant ass, i just think you are full of s#$t.
quote: Don't think that disagreeing with you = lack of intelligence
quote: You need to grasp the concept that maybe, just maybe you are wrong
quote: Legally speaking yes, Apple at least has enough to merit an investigation. But they aren't winning anything outside of the one case in Germany.
quote: yet you come off as if they are winning all these cases
quote: You seem to have a respect for the rule of law, but conveniently ignore the results of the court cases that dont support your view
quote: But, hey... You go on acting as if they are winning. That is what you fanboy/trolls do.
quote: Again, you need to realise that I have still not yet voiced an opinion on the outcome I would like to see in this case, or what should be the outcome.
quote: Lets see here... You ignore any postitive points about competing companies cases, and ignore any negative points about Apples cases.
quote: You concentrate on any postitive points about Apples cases, and concentrate any negative points about competing companies cases. You take one side, no matter what.
quote: All that would be at least OK, if you ever did anything here but post in article s about iPhone and Apple
quote: How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you only have one subject matter?
quote: then you insult people that dont subscribe to your agenda, and lets not mince words
quote: Look at the posts in this article alone. You are all over it defending Apple as if it is your personal company
quote: I bet you dont have a lot of friends do you?
quote: You have to so emphatically associate yourself with a company that you just cant stand to see differeing opinions
quote: Then you state claims as if they are facts and and yes, you DO come off as if Apple won these cases when they haven't.
quote: Really, get a life man. Apple is just a company. You dont need to defend their honor as if it matters. It doesnt.
quote: The only thing you have proven here is that you are a troll with an agenda. Wow, thats a really smart use of your time genius.
quote: Anyone half way intelligent t wouldnt feel the need to tout it several times in a single thread. ME thinks he is overcompensating for something lacking in his life. =)
quote: You are laughable... I post in all sorts of articles here.
quote: Anandtech has been my start page for over 12 years and I also post positive things about Apple.
quote: I think they drive the industry to higher standards and I am very glad for it. The initial iPhone release changed the smartphone industry in a major way for the better and we ALL owe them a pat on the back for that. A big pat on the back. I also like thier products and see why people buy them in such high #'s.
quote: I only have issue with their lawsuits and questionable patents. I leave that for the courts to decide. Like I said, so far they are deciding againts Apple. I am not going to get into that with a troll like you any longer.
quote: At the time I post this, there are 113 comments on this article. 38 of them are from you alone Testerguy
quote: You have argued with every single person that posted anything at all in this article, and then you have to go back to make sure you get the last word
quote: What does that look like to you? Surely someone with your "superior" intelligence can see that it looks like you are trying WAY too hard to get your point across (/cough Troll).
quote: All that and "I have no preference toward Apple" LOL. Hilarious... You sure try awfully hard for no preference. Your just a joke at this point.
quote: Jeez - could you be any more of a fail?
quote: and also using Apple icons in their promotion.
quote: Update: SetteB.IT reports (via Google Translate) that the app wall is part of the Euronics store's design and not commissioned by Samsung.
quote: Picking out one and disregarding all the others just shows you have no response to any of them
quote: People need to start understanding that
quote: It's the difference between illegal and legal copying. People need to start understanding this.
quote: This is the clown who insists he is not an Apple fan, and doesn't have any preference for them.
quote: Yet somehow, when you click on his ID, he only posts in Apple related articles
quote: and no matter the issue, sides with Apple
quote: The only thing I'm doing is explaining logic.
quote: That you interpret it as bias
quote: Whether Apple is or isn't correct, as I've explained to you several times already, is not relevant to the facts I've laid out.
quote: Even right now, in this article, I haven't taken any side
quote: It's OK for Apple to do it because Apple didn't infringe upon patents.
quote: ason has shown that Apple should have cited Neonode's patent in their patent application because of the huge amount of similarity between Neonode's patent and what Apple wanted to do, but didn't.
quote: If what you want to patent is so similar to what someone else has patented that your application might be rejected if you cite that patent, then doesn't that sound like your idea isn't unique and original?
quote: on which I have not voiced any opinion
quote: (at least on the evidence so far
quote: they were found to have infringed by a court and the Galaxy tab was banned
quote: Rightttttttttttttttt, keep telling yourself that.
quote: Plenty of evidence, but like Tony, you refuse to believe it.
quote: One court out of the many Apple has tried to ban them in.
quote: Compared to how many courts who found that Apple infringed upon Neonodes patents and should have its devices banned as a result? Hint: 0
quote: For somebody claiming to maintain a completely logical point of view, that is a completely ridiculous statement to make. Courts can only judge cases that are brought before them. How many lawsuits has Neonode filed against Apple? I won't even give you a hint, it's NONE. Thus, logically speaking, the fact that no courts have judged Apple to have infringed upon Neonodes patents is completely and utterly meaningless.
quote: if they are not taking advantage of that, it would be very irresponsible to the investors and creditors of the company.
quote: In any case, the out-of-context quote from Steve Jobs is an unnecessary character slam.
quote: But then, I'm admittedly utterly biased
quote: It can be exceedingly expensive to enforce a patent, especially against companies with very deep pockets. Neonode may very well just not have the resources available to cover an infringement lawsuit against somebody like Apple. Just another flaw in our current patent system.
quote: objective perspective
quote: What a novel notion -- a company narrowing its own patent to cover only what it actually has designed!
quote: And Neonode has narrowed its scope of potential litigation to 2-3 inch devices.
quote: Also, a very interesting point is that the patent office did not apparently consider Neonode's art when assessing Apple's claims as the Neonode publication was not printed on the face of the patent. Obviously, the examiner can't catch everything and, in this case, you too overlooked it. However, I didn't read the Neonode's patent application to see if it could actually be used to reject any of Apple's claims.
quote: And bear in mind, Apple is not patenting capacitive multi-touch. Other people have already done that
quote: Replying to you since you posted here...Actually apple did patent the multi-touch screen. How the hell they did that, I don't know.http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT...Reply back if I'm wrong.
quote: 'that an active application, function, service or setting is advanced one step'
quote: 'the active application, function, service or setting is closed or backed one step by gliding the object along the touch sensitive area from right to left. '
quote: Seriously dude... what is wrong with you? Who cares if its Apple or any other company...
quote: if its conducting business in an unethical way... then how is it pathetic to highlight this?
quote: What you think theirs some big conspiracy against Apple? Just grow up and stop acting like a child!
quote: I think it's painfully obvious to virtually everyone who reads these blogs that I am unbelievably biased
quote: It simply refers to taking good ideas (which are not patented) and improving on them.
quote: Regardless of what Jobs meant, the simple fact is Apple are trying to stop everyone from owning a smartphone or tablet that isn't made by Apple.
quote: they just don't want people buying phones and tablets that copy Apple's designs and patents
quote: Here we have a case where Jason has shown at least one example of prior art
quote: and this should have been cited in Apple's patent application and wasn't, nor was patent US 2002/0109677 A1, and I think I found at least one or two other patents that seem to also be so similar as to require they should have been cited in Apple's patent applications and weren't. It is arguable that if Apple had cited these two patents, and the others that aren't very hard too find but were not included in the citation list, then Apple wouldn't have been granted their patent.
quote: Oh god, how many more times is this failed journalist gonna bang on about his insecurity driven Apple-hatred by making references to a Steve Jobs video which has nothing to do with illegally stealing patents. It simply refers to taking good ideas (which are not patented) and improving on them.
quote: Of course, any normal person knows this. Jason is just a complete moron.
quote: Furthermore, the Apple patent IS different since it specifically states that the contact point is followed with visual feedback. Furthermore, it does not restrict itself to a specific direction, simply a predefined path. Finally, it does not talk about swiping the other way to go back or to undo the process. Ridiculous article, number... 5? on this subject, none of which actually had anything intelligent to say.
quote: And posting the Steve Jobs video, god you're just so pathetic. I think even people who hate Apple know that posting that video over and over just makes you look ridiculous.
quote: How do you know? Did you talk to Steve Jobs?? The context seemed relatively ambiguous... he was talking about his creative process. I'm not saying that he was speaking directly to lifting ideas from Xerox, but it certainly shows his thinking (and his company's thinking) in a broad sense.
quote: Name calling, how precious.
quote: So, you admit that the prior art is similar, but you think dragging an icon makes Apple's UI element novel enough to patent?
quote: Have you ever heard of drag and drop? Does it have a "visual feedback" element under your cursor?? It's even in OS X! You should know this! Hello, prior art calling, are you there testerguy?!
quote: As for the path, you really think it's novel enough that Apple can just take Neonode's UI innovation, change the direction of the swipe to unlock and then repatent it? Besides, Apple itself used the SAME direction as Neonode... so it appears to be infringement of Neonode's IP, in addition to its patent being invalid.
quote: My, you are emotional and bitter. Try having a level headed debate for once.
quote: And for good reason.Apple is trying very hard to hang on to its market share and is doing some pretty stupid things in the process. The facts are the facts.
quote: And for good reason. Apple is trying very hard to hang on to its market share and is doing some pretty stupid things in the process. The facts are the facts.