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Authorities and trade organizations in several different nations have claimed AllofMP3 is not a legal MP3 download service

The AllofMP3.com music download service has been under constant fire from Russian and American authorities.  The legality of the popular MP3 download service has been in question for quite a while now -- in Russia and abroad.  The music site recently released a press release claiming that it has operated legally within Russia for the past six years.  The press release also contains a statement that says the company is trying to arrange new agreements with copyright holders before copyright law in Russia is changed on September 1, 2006:

The site AllOfMP3.com belongs to a Russian company and for 6 years it has operated within the country, in full compliance with all Russian laws. Throughout this period the various government offices have scrutinized site's legality and have not found any breach of the law. So far there has been no decision by any Russian court contesting the site's legality.

The British Phonographic Institute (BPI), official trade association for British record companies, has announced that it plans to sue AllofMP3.com, because the site is illegal under UK law.  Instead of suing British music listeners using the service, the BPI has decided to only sue the site.  The BPI also claims that the site is not licensed to sell music in the UK.

Recently, there has been much news about the US willing to oppose Russia's membership into the World Trade Organization if Russia authorities do not try to shut down AllofMP3.com.


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Good luck with this one...
By Cunthor01 on 6/8/2006 3:54:58 AM , Rating: 3
The British Phonographic Institute (BPI), official trade association for British record companies, has announced that it plans to sue AllofMP3.com, because the site is illegal under UK law.

Newsflash. Russia is not Britain...




RE: Good luck with this one...
By hwhacker on 6/8/2006 4:02:02 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly...That's the problem with all of these sites, be they mp3 or torrent searching.

It's not international law, yet countries and organizations such as Britain, our good old US of A, the MPAA/RIAA etc seem to not understand our laws do not police the world. I think they will slowly realize that...After wasting a crapload of money.

Their only real legal option (next to passing international copyright law including websites/torrent tracking/search site liability) is to prosecute the actual citizens in countries in which it's illegal, such as our own.

...and yeah, good luck with that.


RE: Good luck with this one...
By Lemachshava on 6/8/2006 6:45:08 AM , Rating: 2
Technically, there are other (legal) options; for example, the US pushing russia to shut down allofmp3 for them to join the WTO.


RE: Good luck with this one...
By dug777 on 6/8/06, Rating: -1
RE: Good luck with this one...
By Sunbird on 6/8/2006 10:00:42 AM , Rating: 2
"Pesky americans, prepare to be nuked!"

Here in South Africa we cant get a iTunes or anything up and running cause the record companies are so addicted to their CD based distribution model. All hail allofmp3 our saviour!


RE: Good luck with this one...
By Obadiah on 6/8/2006 3:32:01 PM , Rating: 2
You can see them doing that. Just read the New York Times:

quote:
So great is the official level of concern about AllofMP3 that American trade negotiators darkly warned that the Web site could jeopardize Russia's long-sought entry into the World Trade Organization.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/01/world/europe/01c...


RE: Good luck with this one...
By TomZ on 6/8/2006 9:15:25 AM , Rating: 2
If the site is in fact operating in compliance with Russian law, then how can Russia shut it down, despite pressure from WTO?

Also, as I posted in another thread, China is a WTO member, and they have a larger copyright protection problem than Russia. But because China is a major U.S. trading partner, we don't take exception to China's WTO membership. The U.S. opposition to Russia's membership appears to me to be a big double-standard.


RE: Good luck with this one...
By Lifted on 6/8/2006 9:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
The China copyright problem is local to China though, for the most part. The Russian copyright problem can(is) effecting global sales.


RE: Good luck with this one...
By Schadenfroh on 6/8/2006 9:11:06 AM , Rating: 3
So.... I guess this means that the British can purchase illegal material as long as the site is outside the bounds of British Law. Say allofmp3.com was a child porn site. I guess it would be OK in your eyes for British citizens to make use of its services since the site is in Russia and not Britain?

I realize that you may say that it is illegal to have child pron in England and not to have an MP3 that was purchased from the Russians in which no money was given to the people that wrote the music, but is it not also illegal to have music that is in violation of copyrights under British law on a PC?


RE: Good luck with this one...
By TomZ on 6/8/2006 9:21:46 AM , Rating: 2
The differences are, first, that possession of child pornography is illegal because most people in the country find it highly offensive and possibly dangerous. The same is not true of music MP3 files.

Second, the citizens in the example you describe have paid for songs from a (supposing it is) legal web site. The local music industry's only complaint is they didn't like the price they paid, since the U.K. music sellers generally operate together to keep music prices higher.

If the U.K. (or any government) wants to protect itself from foreign competition, then they have to petition their government to enact protectionist legislation accordingly.


RE: Good luck with this one...
By Cunthor01 on 6/9/2006 1:52:07 AM , Rating: 2
To put it bluntly - kiddie porn is not mp3. Also the last time I typed that very sentace :~


As Inigo Montoya would say...
By aiken666 on 6/8/2006 3:25:56 AM , Rating: 3
...you keep using this word "Legitimacy." I do not think it means what you think it means.




RE: As Inigo Montoya would say...
By hwhacker on 6/8/2006 3:56:47 AM , Rating: 2
I thought all Inigo Montoya would say is:

"My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father...Prepare to die."

...but perhaps you are right. ;)


By Inkjammer on 6/8/2006 4:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
More appropriately:

"My name is Hilary Rosen. You have downloaded my MP3... prepare for persecution."


RE: As Inigo Montoya would say...
By TomZ on 6/8/2006 9:25:35 AM , Rating: 2
Not sure your point. From M-W:

le·git·i·ma·cy (n.) the quality or state of being legitimate

le·git·i·mate (adj.) being exactly as purposed : neither spurious nor false <legitimate grievance> <a legitimate practitioner>; accordant with law or with established legal forms and requirements <a legitimate government>; conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards <legitimate advertising expenditure> <legitimate inference>


RE: As Inigo Montoya would say...
By ZetaEpyon on 6/8/2006 10:22:03 AM , Rating: 2
The point is that they aren't being accused of being legitimate. They're being accused of being illegitimate.


RE: As Inigo Montoya would say...
By TomZ on 6/8/2006 12:29:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, good point.


By Justin343563611 on 6/11/2006 9:48:07 AM , Rating: 2
Question, so if this site is operating legally within Russia, does the U.S. have the right to prosecute one of its own citizens for purchasing music from the site?


The Will power to ACT..
By crystal clear on 6/8/2006 3:39:26 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Tip of the iceberg
By crystal clear on 6/3/2006 9:49:26 AM , Rating: 2

I focus my attention more on 2 countries rather than on bittorrent.
I wonder if you have travelled to these countries on business trips like I did/do.
Piracy/hacking is a way of life.
Clones of original hardware are the bestsellers.
If you track down the authors of viruses,you land up in Russia.
Thats where something has to be done.

The above comment appeared a few days ago.
Now to the comment of today-
The Russian govt lacks the will power to ACT on this matter
It appear a lot of cash is passing hands to keep those law enfocrement officials shut.(nothing new in Russia)
The Russian govt did not hesitate to takeover those oilfields/oilcompanies & put their owners behind bars-even though
the owners had a perfectly legal case of ownership.
The govt can close this case in a few hours & its all over-no questions asked.
People who know Russia well know what I am talking-Russia is not a USA.





RE: The Will power to ACT..
By crystal clear on 6/8/2006 3:44:56 PM , Rating: 2
Tip of the iceberg
By crystal clear on 6/3/2006 6:50:54 AM , Rating: 2

This is just the tip of the iceberg compared to others around the world.
China holds the number 1 spot then Russia at 2-these two hold the world record for pirate sites/piracy.e.g.
Allofmp3.com
The only way to stop piracy of music/movies/software is through the World Trade Organiztion (WTO).
By the way all those Viruses come from RUSSIA with love.
Russia & China have in the past & in the future will play the role of spoilers.
Add to the above HACKERS.
Everything criminal starts from these 2 countries


RE: The Will power to ACT..
By JAGedlion on 6/8/2006 5:14:27 PM , Rating: 2
with all your nice formatting I thought you were writing a poem
it doesn't read nearly as well as I expected when scrolling through the page :(


RE: The Will power to ACT..
By Xavian on 6/8/2006 5:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
because censorship is a big no-no in both the US and the UK, besides unlike China the internet in both countries is fully matured, where-as the infrastructure for internet access in China is still developing, allowing China's Government to step in and institute the Great Firewall of China (TM).

If US or UK were to create the same thing, there would be one hell of a ****storm and probably the governments would have to stop.


RE: The Will power to ACT..
By Xavian on 6/8/2006 5:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
strange this reply went on the wrong thread, this answers the one below, not this one.


RE: The Will power to ACT..
By cochy on 6/8/2006 5:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
I understand what you are saying. But we aren't talking about freedom of speech here. We are talking about sites that are clearly illegal in these countries. All backbone ISPs simply need to block access. This should keep everyone at home happy, plus the US and the UK don't need to waste time sueing foreign companies. Child porn is illegal, and no one has a problem when that is censored.


RE: The Will power to ACT..
By bob661 on 6/9/2006 7:08:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We are talking about sites that are clearly illegal in these countries.
I guess you have reading issues also. Allofmp3 is NOT illegal in Russia. I'll say it again for those whose IQ's are in the single digits, Allofmp3 is NOT illegal in Russia.


Yeah, sure.
By AnaxagorasZeres on 6/8/2006 8:20:47 AM , Rating: 2
They're illegal. No doubt about it. They're only able to claim legality because of a loophole in Russian law that makes absolutely no sense in the first place (Really, how can downloading a freaking song be considered 'receiving a radio broadcast.).

And I'm going to have to say this again: If you're going to get music illegally, why don't you just steal it in the first place?




RE: Yeah, sure.
By TomZ on 6/8/2006 9:12:08 AM , Rating: 2
If you are correct, and they are operating because of a loophole in the law, then they are operating legally, not illegally.

You may not like the site, or agree with its legitimacy, but that doesn't make it illegal.


RE: Yeah, sure.
By segagenesis on 6/8/2006 9:29:37 AM , Rating: 2
He's just angry for the sake of trolling thats all. No cure for aids, people commiting murder every day, my left toenail might catch fire for no apparent reason. Same stuff different day.

At the moment the site is barely legal under convoluted Russian copyright law so yet again Team America World Police assuming that US law applies everywhere fails at life. Works before 1974 (I believe this is the correct year) are all public domain in Russia anyways, so if worse came to worse they could just sell older stuff.

This would likely change when they pass new legislation, but assuming everyone gets "illegitimate" mp3s from allofmp3.com is also an asenine statement too... life goes on and people would just get them elsewhere.

My personal thought on the site itself is why can't others take a hint that the site is popular because it offers choice. eMusic is a good step towards non-DRM music and if you had the option to choose quality and format also that would be great. News flash: Consumers hate limitations.


It's too bad
By Xorp on 6/8/2006 1:48:47 PM , Rating: 2
It's too bad. AllofMP3 was the only site that got it right as far as encoding options. You got the option of 384k MP3, great sounding OGG, and even uncompressed PCM, and a few more. No one wants to listen to Apple's crappy 128k AAC. Legal downloading has a long way to go if they want to attract people with more than $10 dollar headphones like me, that actually want to HEAR the music.




RE: It's too bad
By bob661 on 6/8/2006 3:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Legal downloading has a long way to go if they want to attract people with more than $10 dollar headphones like me, that actually want to HEAR the music.
I think you'll be waiting a LONG time for that to happen, honestly.


RE: It's too bad
By xsilver on 6/8/2006 5:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
lol, so true

the 128kbps & ipod headphones listening experience is priceless

although I dont think that increasing to at least 160/192kbps is too much to ask


Here's a question
By cochy on 6/8/2006 4:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't the countries that have a problem with these sites just block access to them like China blocks google.com? If the services that these sites provide are illegal within their borders then there wouldn't be much of a problem to block them.




RE: Ya right
By Totalfixation on 6/8/2006 5:53:06 PM , Rating: 2
[quote]Recently, there has been much news about the US willing to oppose Russia's membership into the World Trade Organization if Russia authorities do not try to shut down AllofMP3.com.[/quote]

Whoever brought that up was stupid, no in is the use going to stop russia from enter the wto over a website.


RE: Ya right
By Lemachshava on 6/8/2006 6:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
I might've been insulted if your sentences made any sense.


Wow
By littlebitstrouds on 6/8/2006 11:40:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Recently, there has been much news about the US willing to oppose Russia's membership into the World Trade Organization if Russia authorities do not try to shut down AllofMP3.com.


I mean... We don't get that pissed at them when they spy on us... Now U2 and the gang is gonna keep em out of foreign trade. I mean I see how this could hurt our economy and weak economy = weak government, so this might be a problem but it's not that big of a problem.

I feel like Russian is our friend Bob who took a piece of our cake, so we kicked him out of our house, and told him never to come back. Doesn't seem like we like our friend Bob that much.




RE: Wow
By littlebitstrouds on 6/8/2006 11:44:04 AM , Rating: 2
Though my friend Blake stole a piece of pizza our freshman year in college... 5 years later and I still bring that up. Gonna be 60 till I trust that fool again.


on a lighter note...
By bennymankin on 6/8/2006 1:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
This reminds me of our old joke:

In Soviet Russia, u don't legitimate allofmp3, Allofmp3 legitimates YOU...




yep thats the reaosn
By Loser on 6/8/06, Rating: 0
"You can bet that Sony built a long-term business plan about being successful in Japan and that business plan is crumbling." -- Peter Moore, 24 hours before his Microsoft resignation

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