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Peter Moore declined to comment on whether or not he will remove his Microsoft-friendly tattoos before his move to EA.  (Source: Microsoft)
Peter Moore steps down from his position at Microsoft

This morning we reported that Peter Moore had more than a few words for Sony and the sales performance of the PlayStation 3 in Japan. Moore was asked about the poor sales of the Xbox 360 in Japan and instead decided to take the opportunity to go full bore at the Wii's 6-to-1 sales advantage over the PS3.

Just a few hours later, Microsoft reported that Moore stepped down as Microsoft Corporate Vice President of Interactive Entertainment. Former Electronics Arts president Don Mattrick was appointed to take his place.

“Peter has contributed enormously to the games business since joining Microsoft in 2003 and we are sad to see him go,” said Robbie Bach, president of Entertainment and Devices Division at Microsoft. “Since that time, he presided over the global launch of the Xbox 360™, spearheaded a revitalized and rebranded Games for Windows business, and helped steer the console’s ascent.”

Bach also had kind words for the incoming Mattrick. “While Peter will certainly be missed, we are delighted to have one of the industry’s most talented and passionate veterans on board to lead the business,” Bach continued. “Don is well-known and respected throughout the industry for his deep knowledge, technical expertise and management savvy. Under Don’s leadership, the games team is looking forward to embarking on our biggest holiday ever, with a wide-ranging roster of some of the most highly anticipated titles.”

Moore's departure wasn't exactly unexpected given the recent turn of events with the Xbox 360. Microsoft missed its forecast to ship 12 million units by June 30 (the company instead fell slightly short at 11.6 million).

Then there's also the infamous Red Ring of Death (RROD) on the Xbox 360. Despite increasing the standard warranty of the Xbox 360 and bulking up its warranty services, Microsoft and Moore downplayed the significance of the RROD on Xbox 360 consoles.

"I can’t comment on failure rates, because it’s just not something  -- it’s a moving target. What this consumer should worry about is the way that we’ve treated him. Y’know, things break, and if we’ve treated him well and fixed his problem, that’s something that we’re focused on right now," remarked Moore in May.

The issue came to head just days after DailyTech reported RROD failure rates as high as 33 percent on Xbox 360 consoles. Microsoft on July 5 announced a 1.15 billion dollar initiative to extend Xbox 360 warranties affected by the RROD to three years and reimburse customers who paid to have service performed on machines with the RROD.

Moore even offered a public apology for the debacle in an open letter to the Xbox Community. "If we have let any of you down in the experience you have had with your Xbox 360, we sincerely apologize. We are taking responsibility and are making these changes to ensure that every Xbox 360 owner continues to have a great experience," said Moore.

Moore may have left Microsoft behind, but he is not jobless. Electronic Arts announced today that Moore has been named as the President of the EA SPORTS division.

"Peter Moore’s proven record of leadership in games and sports makes him a terrific fit for heading up EA SPORTS," said EA CEO John Riccitiello. "As a partner at Microsoft and earlier, as a competitor, we’ve learned to respect his vision and leadership."

In addition to his new position, Moore will receive an annual base salary of $550,000 (plus a discretionary target bonus percentage of 75 percent of annual base salary), one-time bonus of $1.5 million, the option to purchase 350,000 shares of company stock and relocation-related expenses of $330,000.





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24 Hours ago
By KristopherKubicki on 7/17/2007 8:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
"You can bet that Sony built a long-term business plan about being successful in Japan and that business plan is crumbling." -- Peter Moore

Hmm, good luck with that new job at EA -- hope you don't have to deal with Sony!




RE: 24 Hours ago
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 8:16:50 PM , Rating: 6
You unfortunately dont understand the business.

Its actually the other way around. Sony will have to deal with Moore. EA Sports is such a large producer of sports games, among others, that are so incredibly successful on all platforms, that sony actually pays rights to EA to produce games on their platforms, then gets a percentage of what sells.

Therefore, Sony would be downright stupid to make a backlash statement at Moore rightnow, out of fear of losing the Madden franchise, amongst others.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By KristopherKubicki on 7/17/2007 8:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
Very true. You get a star :)


RE: 24 Hours ago
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
Gracias!


RE: 24 Hours ago
By lukasbradley on 7/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: 24 Hours ago
By lukasbradley on 7/17/07, Rating: 0
RE: 24 Hours ago
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:48:55 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. He was being sarastic. So I agave sarcasm back. Along with what the fellow DT users deemed as a 6 rating, just for his pleasure.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By tuteja1986 on 7/18/2007 2:50:42 AM , Rating: 1
Stupid Microsoft... they are giving it to person who pretty much is responsible for the big fuck up of Windows Live anywhere.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By KristopherKubicki on 7/17/2007 10:24:24 PM , Rating: 2
I liked his idea because it was a good counter post to mine. I'm the only person who can give people a 6 post, and I think he deserved it there.

If you watch other posts in our forum, you'll see I often highlight dissenting and disagreeing posts. It has nothing to do with opinions or bias, it's just a good post.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 10:31:49 PM , Rating: 1
Then i apologize for giving you sarcasm in response. I thought you were being silly with me ;-)


RE: 24 Hours ago
By Sahrin on 7/18/2007 12:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
Downvote that.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By SandmanWN on 7/18/2007 5:24:16 PM , Rating: 1
Looks like everyone was so saddened by your post that they all unanimously elected to give you the red banner. Do you feel special now?


RE: 24 Hours ago
By PAPutzback on 7/19/2007 9:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
Somebody has a case of the Mondays


RE: 24 Hours ago
By Ard on 7/17/2007 9:01:28 PM , Rating: 3
Except for the fact that Moore, and EA as a corollary, would have to be stupid as hell to even consider excluding the Madden franchise from Sony products. EA's already losing money as it is. A move like that would bleed them even harder and I don't think the shareholders would be too pleased.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:12:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
would have to be stupid as hell to even consider excluding the Madden franchise from Sony products


You are right in this sense, they would not pull back the franchise from the PS3 (unless such a high bid was made to do so, as an exclusive), but what they can do is charge Sony much higher royalties than they would a competitor.

quote:
already losing money as it is.


Im not so sure about all these companies "losing money". If that were the case, they wouldnt be in business. They may not be hitting their "estimated" revenues or gains, but highly doubt that Sony, MS, EA, etc are all losing money, while still expanding and increasing development.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By Oregonian2 on 7/18/2007 1:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They may not be hitting their "estimated" revenues or gains, but highly doubt that Sony, MS, EA, etc are all losing money, while still expanding and increasing development.


Sony and MS are both making money overall, but Sony's gaming division is hemorrhaging and seriously cancelling out profits from other divisions while MS's gaming is "only" losing money (and have been projecting to finally make money this next year, at least before the extended warranty costs came up).


RE: 24 Hours ago
By Rockjock51 on 7/19/2007 5:57:16 AM , Rating: 2
Pretty sure the extended warranty costs were tacked onto last quarters losses. Don't have a link right now, but I read it here. I'd guess that's an effort to finally have a profitable quarter.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By zaki on 7/17/2007 9:12:54 PM , Rating: 1
yes i agree, and along the same lines, I dont think (despite Moore's influence) EA would make such huge changes based just on what Moore feels at a certain point in his career.

I think he did a good job for MS, the tats were stupid but did help publicize


RE: 24 Hours ago
By deeznuts on 7/17/2007 11:46:33 PM , Rating: 4
You might understand the business, but you missed a counterpoint. Sony wouldn't want to lose EA business, but I bet some harsh words would be overlooked by EA. Think about it. Yeah there aren't too many PS3 owners. But there are 100 million PS2 consoles sold. Would EA want to alienate, oh I don't know ... 85% of their current customer base?

One developer dropping off of Sony's boat would definitely hurt, EA is a huge publisher. But losing 85% of your customer base? That's deadly.

http://ps2.ign.com/index/release.html

See how many EA games are on there.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By Superbike on 7/18/2007 2:56:42 AM , Rating: 2
Ya sure! Money talks.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By Aikouka on 7/18/2007 8:56:11 AM , Rating: 5
That's just silly; you're completely ignoring the fact that EA wouldn't just drop Sony, because believe it or not, keeping their Madden series on the Sony consoles is a good business decision. Making a poor business decision because someone offended you with something as trite as words is not something you'd expect of someone like Moore. If Sony said anything, nothing would happen.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By SandmanWN on 7/18/2007 5:22:35 PM , Rating: 3
I would be willing to bet Moore and Sony drop their differences about 2 seconds after Moore's move to EA.

Simply put EA and Sony need each other to succeed. Both would lose ground without the other and that would piss off all those other rich execs with those large stock options and high stakes in either company.


RE: 24 Hours ago
By afkrotch on 7/22/2007 11:19:41 PM , Rating: 2
Or Sony can say whatever they want, as EA makes more than just sports games. Not to mention, just about everyone has a PS2 chilling at home.

EA would be stupid to not to business with Sony. We are talking PS2, PS3, and PSP. That's a whole lot of money to say "oh...you made fun of Moore, we'll just give up millions of dollars because of that."


Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By iluvdeal on 7/17/2007 8:57:53 PM , Rating: 5
Reporter: Please explain why XBOX 360 sales are so poor in Japan.

Peter: SONY SUCKS! SONY SUCKS! SONY SUCKS!

I gotta think Peter still harbors some sort of personal grudge against Sony from his Dreamcast days. How all this transfers over to EA will be interesting.




RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:08:29 PM , Rating: 4
You should read the rest of the article as well. Not defending MS's low sales figures in Japan, but it was stated that MS did not target a high sales quota in Japan, but Sony did. There is a big difference between NOT targeting a specific market and its not being successful in that market vs. targeting a specific market and it not being successful.


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By zaki on 7/17/2007 9:16:48 PM , Rating: 2
oh yeah right, of course microsoft is going to say they didnt have a "high target" but have you forgotten the xbox 360 lead up when MS boasted that they were making 360 for a the global community and where aiming to overthrow Sony in Japan,

since that didnt happen now they are saying, oh we didnt want to anyways, this is childish and I believe most people will indeed see the truth.


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:20:01 PM , Rating: 1
I am just stating what is in writing from the media in regards to the two companies. Unfortunately, we do not see the behind the scenes paperwork detailing the target markets for either MS or Sony or Nintendo. So everything we say is either going to be biased or inconclusive. The only thing really to go on is the cold hard facts of actual sales figures.


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By zaki on 7/17/2007 9:23:55 PM , Rating: 1
I see what you are saying, but I think most people will use their own discretion when adjudging the true meaning of certain statements. In this case, there is no way, in my opinion, that Microsoft should give up the fight in Japan so soon by saying "our goal wasnt that high".

If I was a gamer in Japan, my reaction to this would be : screw microsoft, they obviously dont want to commit to this market.


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:28:15 PM , Rating: 1
I agree that they shouldn't & wouldn't give up the fight just yet - especially when trying to make a name for the console - and this goes for both MS and Sony. However, since I am not from Japan, I cannot comment on what the trend is over there and what the consumers are actually looking for. There are many differences in the two cultures - both personally and technologically.

Just one of my examples would be to looks at some of our sports franchises that are so successful here - Madden for example. Many gamers in the US buy the 360/PS3 console just to play that game specifically. That would not be the case in Japan. That may just be one small instance of the differences in target marketing.


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By zaki on 7/17/2007 9:55:53 PM , Rating: 1
also, one thing i think everybody can agree on is that no one likes arrogant higher ups blowing their own horns at the cost of sounding irrational and childish.


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:59:17 PM , Rating: 1
Referring to the above thread?


By Ryanman on 7/18/2007 1:03:45 AM , Rating: 1
lol no he's not talking about you.


By afkrotch on 7/22/2007 11:36:27 PM , Rating: 2
I'd say the only way for Microsoft to do well in Japan is garner more support from 3rd party companies in Japan. The best way for that to happen is for Sony to alienate them.

It's an extremely big bump in the road for Microsoft to overcome and it simply may not happen for this generation of consoles.

The only 3rd party company (that aims at Japanese audiences) I've seen to come to Microsoft so far is Bandai. They currently have 2 exclusives on the Xbox 360. One failed and the other one was successful for the small percentage of the audience they were aiming at (some Gundam game and Idolm@ster)(I don't think they made any other games).


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By iluvdeal on 7/17/2007 9:58:25 PM , Rating: 5
Eh it's still Peter deflecting. Slamming Sony is just a case of trying to make someone else look worse than you so you don't look as bad. Don't buy into his excuse they weren't trying to target Japan or they didn't have high expectations. BS. I'm surprised he didn't claim he knew the Wii would become this megahit. Read some articles on the Xbox 360 and Japan before they actually flopped, they didn't see this coming. Microsoft did not set out to come out a distant third in Japan with the 360.

Make no mistake, their performance in the Japan market is a disappointment to Microsoft that they'll try to make right the next go around. Expect them to throw even more money in trying to win Japan the next time they release a console as Japan is a country Microsoft DOES want to conquer, they just still don't know how to yet.

For a guy on his way out of the door, it's strange comments to make about a future partner as opposed to rival. IMO, the Dreamcast failure due to the PS2 really got to him.


By DingieM on 7/18/2007 3:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
I'm curious, but did MS executed a survey with the Japanese folk how the Xbox360 should enter their market in terms of console build, services and games????


RE: Nice going deflecting the question Peter
By Oregonian2 on 7/18/2007 1:25:49 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Don't buy into his excuse they weren't trying to target Japan or they didn't have high expectations. BS.


I don't agree with you. Japan is a country that VERY heavily favors locally produced things. Not just gaming boxes. Everything. Much more than Americans who really don't care that much where something was made or what company made it. Or at least that's been my observation over the last few decades. The only way I've seen American companies be successful in Japan is to partner with a company there and be in the shadow of their Japanese partner that's "up front" or to have their goods sold OEM with a Japanese company's label on it. Probably are lots of exceptions, but that seems to be my observation as the general rule.


By SirLucius on 7/18/2007 1:35:52 PM , Rating: 4
While it's all very true that the Japanese tend to buy their domestic goods over imports when it comes to just about everything, that has nothing to do with the fact that Microsoft (and Moore specifically if I remember correctly) did state that they had high expectations for the 360 in Japan, and that they planned for it to do much better than the original Xbox. And it's not like Microsoft didn't know going in that Japan would be a tough market to crack.

Personally, I don't think the 360 will ever stand a chance in Japan until Microsoft comes to understand the kinds of games that Japanese gamers go for. Half of the most most popular games in Japan never even make it to the U.S. solely because they wouldn't appeal to the mainstream American gamer. Quite frankly, big name shooters like Gears of War and Halo 3 just won't sell as well in Japan. The Japanese tend to go for RPGs, simulators, and off the wall, wacky games. The 360 sold best right after the release of Dragon Quest IV(?), or a similar RPG from that series, which just proves this point.


EA is the Devil
By EarthsDM on 7/17/2007 10:19:35 PM , Rating: 5
I can't be the only person who thinks this. They buy games licenses and jack up prices while lowering the quality. They push down the wages of their workers, and try to see how much they can get customers to pay for features that should be free.

It's like Peter Moore has gone from working at the DMV to working for the LAPD. I honestly believe that EA is the greatest threat to the game industry and consumer satisfaction today.




RE: EA is the Devil
By Ryanman on 7/18/2007 1:10:37 AM , Rating: 1
damn I can't uprate you cause I already posted. I would if I could. I'm tired of the steaming piles of bugs EA constantly produces. Battlefield 2 was un runnable on my previous computer, not because of system specs but because of bugs. 2142 was slightly better but by a thin margin. Black and White, also, runs terribly on what was an ultra-high system when it cam out.It's getting ridiculous and I'm tired of the crap.


RE: EA is the Devil
By therealnickdanger on 7/18/2007 10:32:40 AM , Rating: 2
BF2 runs amazing on three computers in my house as well as all my friends' PCs... and also for several million other players. It's probably your PC. LOL

Black and White was created by Lionhead Studios and merely published by EA. Can't blame EA for that one either.

With the exception of BF2, I don't think I own any other EA titles, so I've got no love for them, but it would be nice if we could at least be fair when ripping them.


RE: EA is the Devil
By Rampage on 7/18/2007 3:13:22 PM , Rating: 2
I dont think BF2 runs "AMAZING" on anyones PC.
Lets not get carried away. It does work, and it works OK.


RE: EA is the Devil
By Screwballl on 7/18/2007 10:36:28 AM , Rating: 3
Thank you! I am not the only one... I refuse to buy ANY EA products if at all possible. I bought BF2 once it hit the bargain bin.
EA has sucked up so many awesome companies only to turn the product to complete crap (Maxis, Westwood and many more).
I have been looking at C&C3 but with all the bugs and junk in that game, I refuse to buy it on the basis of being an EA product.

I stick with other companies that have much better products. Supreme Commander is the first to come to mind.

Eventually people will start seeing the problem and start showing their buying power by excluding EA... maybe then they will release a decent product (not likely).


RE: EA is the Devil
By FITCamaro on 7/18/2007 12:43:11 PM , Rating: 2
I'm no fan of EA but what C&C3 bugs are you referring to. It plays awesome on my PC without a hitch.

I'm sure there are some bugs in it. There is in any software. But I haven't experienced or even heard of any game crashing bugs.


RE: EA is the Devil
By Master Kenobi on 7/18/2007 2:05:37 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, even on Vista 64 (Unsupported) it runs flawlessly. Very good game, I was impressed after the terrible game known as Generals.


RE: EA is the Devil
By killerroach on 7/18/2007 10:42:44 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't go as far as to say they're the devil, but they do represent a marked lack of innovation in the gaming industry. Their games aren't terrible; just usually mediocre and unimaginative. You know things aren't going well for you when your most "innovative" in-house titles lately have come from a game series of which "long in the tooth" doesn't even hardly begin to describe (I'm referring to the Need for Speed games, in particular Underground 1 and the upcoming Pro Street, but even this franchise has been plagued by laziness, such as the Initial D ripoff that was Carbon). That being said, they don't do a lot that's terribly bad, either... just not compelling.

In regards to "pushing down wages", I think the glut of computer programmers in North America did that. Even still, it is kinda sad when a mid-level programmer with a Bachelor's Degree makes comparable money to a junior insurance agent with a high school diploma.


RE: EA is the Devil
By FITCamaro on 7/18/2007 12:54:05 PM , Rating: 2
Well if you listen to Microsoft, Google, and a lot of the rest of the tech industry, there's a shortage of computer programmers which requires them to import them from India.

There is however a shortage of games programmers who have a published title under their belt. Because without one on your resume, the chances of getting a job in the games industry is slim.

I had an offer for a job in the games industry when I graduated. I desperately wanted to take it but the guy only wanted to offer me $25,000 a year because to him, I didn't have any more experience than a kid out of high school due to the lack of a published title. I'd loved to have taken it, but I wouldn't have been able to pay my bills. He promised a higher salary in the future once I got some experience but student loan lenders don't take that as an excuse to why you can't pay your loan payments.

This unwillingness by the games industry to hire anyone who doesn't have a title under their belt is going to bite them in the ass eventually. There's plenty of skilled programmers out there who haven't made games. I don't consider myself a genius but I know when I can do the work and when I can't.

But as a programmer a year and a half out of college, I don't think I'm doing too bad. I make twice the average salary in US and have good benefits. And my job isn't nearly as stressful as it would be in the games industry.


RE: EA is the Devil
By SirLucius on 7/18/2007 1:05:58 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that the games industry needs to open up more. I'm approaching things from a slightly different angle, seeing as I would like to go into the concept art and character design end of things, but the same "No prior experience, no job" attitude is really shutting out a lot of truly interested people with high potential. I know some companies still look at applications from people with no prior experience, and in some cases even hire, but many are just flat out rejected.


RE: EA is the Devil
By bkm32 on 7/18/2007 11:58:16 AM , Rating: 2
I wish I could uprate this. Awesome post! KK, give this guy a star.


This guy is a winner! /end sarcasm
By The Boston Dangler on 7/17/07, Rating: 0
RE: This guy is a winner! /end sarcasm
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 9:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
Just to clarify.....

They didnt fall short on sales. They fell short on shipments. Big difference. Obviously the more they ship out, the better chance there is for them to sell, but seeing as there are plenty on the shelves, im not sure how much the sales would have increased.

Also, the 33% mortality rate is not a confirmed figure by MS. It is a figure thrown out there by a retailer, speaking from what they believe this figure is based upon the number of returns they have experienced. There are probably retailers as well that have had very little returns and would be false if they claimed a 1% mortality rate.

Executives absolutely do apologize if the problem goes so deep that they need a "client facing" authority figure to make a statement to settle the crowd. You see it all the time in business. If you complain enough, you eventually work your way up the chain. Im not talking about compaining at Best Buy, but I have first hand knowledge working at a NASDAQ publicly traded company in the Pharmaceuticle Software Development industry.


RE: This guy is a winner! /end sarcasm
By hr824 on 7/17/2007 10:16:25 PM , Rating: 4
Ahhh doesn't setting aside 1.15 billion dollars perty much confirm the 33% failure rate?

Yep he did apologize... After he couldn't hide the 33% failure rate anymore. Hiding the problem for almost 2 years and apologizing after you get caught isn't much of an apology.

And yet some one still hires him for insane cash. Corprate busness confuses me so.


RE: This guy is a winner! /end sarcasm
By mdogs444 on 7/17/2007 10:34:50 PM , Rating: 2
The main thing i keep disagreeing with the the "33%" figure. No doubt is it much higher than its supposed to be, and yes thats why they responded with the warranty and 1.15 billion in cash put aside.

Im just saying that by stating 33%, which is not a confirmed number, is falsification.


RE: This guy is a winner! /end sarcasm
By hr824 on 7/18/2007 12:08:18 AM , Rating: 2
If it cost MS 500.00 for every 360 they have to fix then 1.15 billion is enough for a 19% failure rate for 11.6 million 360's .

@ 400.00 24%
@ 300.00 33%
@ 200.00 49%

I don't think it's a falsifaction at all. The money they put aside fits the 33% mark perty well don't you think?
Dose it realy matter even at 19% the stock holders of MS should be able to cain the crap out of him.


By Rockjock51 on 7/19/2007 6:08:43 AM , Rating: 2
The costs they took was paying people back who paid to have their 360's fixed out of warranty. So, it's not directly proportionate to their personal cost.. but what they charged people for the repairs.


By bkm32 on 7/18/2007 12:05:28 PM , Rating: 3
Hopefully, now MS will truly be able to post a profit from this division.

Moore ran Sega into the ground (they're just now recovering). If MS had less money, he'd have done the same there. EA, beware! Although, I doubt Madden could get any worse. This just means that the new 2K football games will be awesome and totally bring back the NFL license.

All-in-all, I'd say that Moore was Sony's and Nintendo's best executive.


330k for relocation, relocate from half moon?
By Roy2001 on 7/17/2007 8:48:48 PM , Rating: 2
330k for relocation, relocate from half moon?




By kenji4life on 7/17/2007 9:05:01 PM , Rating: 2
This is pretty standard. Even moreso for an exec. When my boss moved from Sunnyside, OR to Socal with a promotion, they not only helped him sell his house at his asking price (they'll buy it for your asking price if it doesn't sell); but they paid the difference between the houses. That's going from a 300k house to a 600k house as if it's a free upgrade.


RE: 330k for relocation, relocate from half moon?
By amehbah on 7/18/2007 9:52:00 AM , Rating: 5
330K on an Executive = no problemo!
330K to finish a product before shipping it? No f'in way!


By Master Kenobi on 7/18/2007 2:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
That is depressingly accurate in most corporations.


I think your all missing the point
By vitul on 7/17/2007 10:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
Look at moores track record.

Worked for rebook which got beat by nike and eventually sold to adidas.

head of sega of america, well we all saw what happened to the dreamcast.

suddenly the xbox360 has announced 3 year warrenty taking a 1billion dollar hit in money.

e3 for microsoft has the most terrible presentation ever.

a week later moore leaves ms for ea.

more then anything this probably spells trouble for microsoft and the 360.

as far as people saying sony needs to watchout for moore and ea and such. he is heading the sports and only the sports division.

The owner of EA would never do anything to hurt its relationship with sony. The playstation 1 and playstation 2 have made them the biggest share of their money from console games. look at the amount of people who own a ps2 to a gamecube, or xbox. Do you think ea would be dumb enough to write off sony because moore is president of the sports section?

Im sure all he will do is help try to make ea a bigger company in anyway possible. I doubt he will even step on toes of nintendo or sony anymore.




By iluvdeal on 7/17/2007 10:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
Whether it's fair or not, someone had to take the bullet for that $1 billion charge and it was him. I hope no one actually believes he's leaving Microsoft because we wants to be closer to his family. When Microsoft wants to keep someone, they know how to keep them. And when they want to get rid of someone, that person "resigns."

His salary at EA is impressive for us working stiffs but I can pretty much guarantee it's less than what he made with Microsoft. There should be much less stress with his EA Sport position though, he just has to make sure they get the year right on the title when they reissue their Sports titles (with roster updates of course) each year. ;)


By DingieM on 7/18/2007 3:35:12 AM , Rating: 2
"more then anything this probably spells trouble for microsoft and the 360".

Err, if it didn't do well at MS and for the games division and he leaves, this actually would do good to MS and the games division, wouldn't it??????

Do not think MS will ever be in "trouble". I don't like MS that much except for the Xbox360.


the end of EA
By Gul Westfale on 7/17/2007 10:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
seriously man...

first he turned sega from a console maker into a software only publisher, then jumps ship; then he worked at some then-unknown and still-unknown publisher of crap games and then jumped ship; then came the "success" of working with MS on xbox 1&2; and now he is at EA. wow.

then again, given EA's recent history of releasing unfinished code and then basically telling gamers that we should be happy that they are even making patches (anyone who owns BF2/2142, BFME2, or CNC3 knows what i mean); and of course their tendency to simply change a few design features on their sports titles and then re-release them again, year after year, as "new" games- that really does match moore's talents quite well, does it not?

yet one more reason not to buy EA crap anymore. and does anyone remember when they said they wouldn't support the dreamcast in the US because they were up sony's butt? oh the irony...




RE: the end of EA
By piroroadkill on 7/18/2007 6:28:57 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, EA were RIGHT up Sony's arsehole - even though they promised to support the Dreamcast if it sold 10 million, they still didn't support it.


This was expected !
By crystal clear on 7/19/2007 6:30:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft reported that Moore stepped down as Microsoft Corporate Vice President of Interactive Entertainment.


This was expected-M.S. did what anybody would do-

Ask him to step down gracefully-a face saving solution for senior executives !

This reminds me the folllowing-

I had made this following comment sometime back-

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RE: Curious RE: Curious
By crystal clear on 7/2/07, Rating: -1
By crystal clear on 7/2/2007 11:47:14 AM , Rating: -1

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a 33 percent failure rate is unacceptable for any product.

Yes you are right-a lot of people at M.S. (incharge of Xbox )should be recieving that very famous letter-

"We regret to inform you that your services are not needed anymore in our company-we wish you all the best.

Thats the only solution !



Yes people here on this site preferred to disagree by voting this comment down,rather than accepting it or responding to it with a counter argument.

Now ofcourse I can say "I was right all the way"




RE: This was expected !
By crystal clear on 7/19/2007 6:36:35 AM , Rating: 2
There will be many more like Moore on their way out,from M.S. ofcourse sooner or later !


KenMoore Videogames of Jamerica
By bkm32 on 7/18/2007 2:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Kutaragi and Moore should create a gaming company that only hires executives that have "resigned" after they've run their former companies into the ground.




LMAO EA SPORTS
By TimberJon on 7/18/2007 5:57:31 PM , Rating: 2
Really going somewhere now!

Werent we all just flaming the EA pres a while ago?

Man things are falling apart.




By peritusONE on 7/19/2007 12:01:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet, but I remember back in the Dreamcast days when EA basically hated Sega. Absolutely no EA sports games were released on the Dreamcast because of some kind of bad blood between the two, during a time when Moore was in charge.

Does anyone know the story behind this? It would be an interesting read now that Moore is actually in charge of an Electronic Arts division.




Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By LiptonGreenTea on 7/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By creathir on 7/18/2007 1:38:58 AM , Rating: 4
No offense, but I hardly see this as spelling doom for Microsoft.

So they lost their marketing guy. Big deal. I PERSONALLY do not think brand management is one of his strongpoints... (Something like the Xbox, in my opinion, should dominate the console world... it is just not there yet (almost, but not quite...))

Let us not forget, Allard is still in charge of the division. Marketing folks come and go... project leads such as Allard would indicate confidense in the brand.

Also, do you HONESTLY think Microsoft would jump ship?

Have they done this in the past? NO WAY! With 360 sales in the NA market still surpasing PS3 sales... I would not be that worried if I were them.

They did miss their target (by 400,000 units, or at most around $216 million assuming each unit with attach was worth $540 to them. This seems like a lot to the average person such as ourselves, but this is a penny in the bucket for a company which has around $70 Billion in assets alone.

I would not jump to conclusions quite yet on the death of the 360...

- Creathir


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By Mach Omega on 7/18/2007 11:43:30 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I PERSONALLY do not think brand management is one of his strongpoints...


The HELL you say. This guy's resume is such that he shouldn't be marketing Depends undergarments, let alone products that generate hundreds of millions in revenue. Just goes to show that if you can talk shyte and get to the executive level, there are a lot of jokers willing to drink the Kool-Aid.

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(Something like the Xbox, in my opinion, should dominate the console world... it is just not there yet (almost, but not quite...))


On the merits of what? A product failure rate that's considered a catastrophe by any objective standard? Sony gets slammed for unrealistic marketing claims and MS gets a free pass for putting out crap hardware? Perspective, grasshopper, perspective.

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With 360 sales in the NA market still surpasing PS3 sales... I would not be that worried if I were them.


Ummm, you DO realize that Microsoft's XBox division is still in the RED, right? Tack on another billion dollars for this warranty issue and its unlikely MS will see a profit for at least another fiscal year, maybe longer. This warranty issue would have been enough to put a dedicated console company out of business. From a financial and business standpoint, the Xbox endeavor has been a complete failure. The only think it has accomplished is run interference on Sony so that MS can find a way to get PCs in the living room. MS decided to face Sony in its own backyard rather than wait for the PlayStation to mature into a true multi-media device and, from that perspective, it has been successful. But, make no mistake, the Xbox would have already been off the market if it had been released by a dedicated console company.

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I would not jump to conclusions quite yet on the death of the 360...


The only reason the Xbox isn't already dead is because of Windows and Office. About the only real positive for Xbox fans is that Microsoft can't allow Sony to get a beachhead in the living room. So the Xbox will continue to survive until MS finds a formula for getting honest-to-goodness Windows PCs in the living room. Then the Xbox will go the way of the dodo.


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By FITCamaro on 7/18/2007 1:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
If you honestly believe that Microsoft would abandon the Xbox program, you're an idiot.

In 6 years they've managed to make themselves a major contender in the games console market. Yes, its from their vast resources due to Windows sales and their other products. But this is what Microsoft does and always will do. They'd rather make a product of their own and loose money on it, than let competitors have all the pieces of the pie. And yes they're still in the red but they've said they'll soon be in the black. Likely one the 65nm revision is in place since they've said those chips are 50% cheaper to produce. Then they can start making up those lost billions. Not that they need to to remain a vastly profitable company as a whole.

Unless not a single 360 was sold from this day forth, and every developer making games for it pulled their titles, the 360 and future Xbox's aren't going anywhere. In a year from now, when the 360 has the 65nm revision under its belt and the quality issues are gone, I really want to see what you'll bitch about then with the 360. I have a feeling it'll just be "its from Microsoft so it sucks". But as a fully satisfied 360 owner, I'm looking forward to the games coming up in the next two months, all the games after that, and the Xbox 720 in 3 years or so.

/sarcasm
But remember, the PS3 will last 10 years (Sony's words mind you. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=... ) so all the Sony zealots don't have to worry about buying a new console for a while.
/end sarcasm


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By Mach Omega on 7/18/2007 2:48:06 PM , Rating: 4
It's obvious you know absolutely nothing about business. The 65nm revision will make the 360 cheaper beyond a doubt but billions in the red is still billions in the red. You also obviously didn't actually READ my post. I said the Xbox will CONTINUE to be made... but the simple reality is that, as a money making venture, it has been a failure by every OBJECTIVE standard. The ONLY thing it has been successful at is keeping the pressure on Sony. In that respect, the Xbox has more than accomplished its end.

The simple fact is that Microsoft has an UNDISPUTED monopoly in gaming on the Windows platform... and over 50% of the software sold for Windows is GAMES. Sounds good right? Problem is, PCs are obsolete roughly every 18 months to 3 yrs. Sony comes out with the PS1, which completely changes the gaming market and, for the first time, a platform OTHER than Windows has the potential to become a more cost effective platform for gaming, possibly stripping the Windows platform of 50% of its value. You honestly don't think Microsoft is aware of this? Microsoft HAD to do SOMETHING to protect its gaming revenue source and Window's value as a platform. PCs simply can't compete against consoles from an economic perspective so it made sense for MS to enter into the market... if it beats Sony head-on or simply forces Sony to expend resources while it develops a Windows user experience that will make PCs viable CE products (Media Center OS anyone?), it's a win-win proposition. MS simply has to weather the storm. However... MS has to compete in the one area it is weakest... user interfaces. Sony has decades of making products for the CE market and it knows the ins and outs of making user-centric systems. MS, on the other hand, specializes in the opposite... MORE features, more COMPLEXITY. Also, Sony has spent years developing diverse assets to support its business model. On the other hand, MS is primarily a SOFTWARE company with little diversification and few relevant assets regarding content. That isn't being a fanboi, my friend, it's simply understanding business.

I'm glad you like your 360, but that doesn't change the facts. If you're a Microsoft fan, that's cool. But the REALITY of the situation is that the XBox is not profitable and will not be anytime soon. If it had been produced by a dedicated console maker, it would already be gone *poof*.


By robinthakur on 7/19/2007 5:58:21 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that The Xbox would have been sunk early in the original Xbox's life had MS not been willing to simply keep absorbing the losses, unlike any other console manufacturer (on a bigger scale i mean) and if that's their strategy to keep absorbing losses while keeping Sony down, then that's err, interesting. Most of those web tv, cdi, 3DO which I would have said the original Xbox seemed to be when it came out, sunk because the manufacturers were unwilling to keep pouring marketing and developmental effort and money into keeping them afloat. Micrsosoft does not have this problem. The one thing it does mean is that they really probably don't care about the consumer in this equation, if they don't even care about the bottom line cost to themselves, and are likely to bring out the Xbox720 sooner rather than later to further hamstring Sony. That's if they don't realise enough is enough and it makes no sense throwing good money after bad, and then just can the whole Xbox shebang. I would not be surprised. All they care about is attachment rates as its the one thing that would minimize their losses (assuming you buy a 360 to begin with).

I don't think its really a question of what's affordable to Microsoft, they have deep pockets really. The question is, do you want your console of choice to be made by people with no real passion or innovation who are content to keep the product on the market just to screw the rest of the industry over and consumers just to kill one of their competitors? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but maybe that's just the odour of burning silicon and solder from the Xbox 360. ^_^*


By robinthakur on 7/19/2007 5:58:25 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that The Xbox would have been sunk early in the original Xbox's life had MS not been willing to simply keep absorbing the losses, unlike any other console manufacturer (on a bigger scale i mean) and if that's their strategy to keep absorbing losses while keeping Sony down, then that's err, interesting. Most of those web tv, cdi, 3DO which I would have said the original Xbox seemed to be when it came out, sunk because the manufacturers were unwilling to keep pouring marketing and developmental effort and money into keeping them afloat. Micrsosoft does not have this problem. The one thing it does mean is that they really probably don't care about the consumer in this equation, if they don't even care about the bottom line cost to themselves, and are likely to bring out the Xbox720 sooner rather than later to further hamstring Sony. That's if they don't realise enough is enough and it makes no sense throwing good money after bad, and then just can the whole Xbox shebang. I would not be surprised. All they care about is attachment rates as its the one thing that would minimize their losses (assuming you buy a 360 to begin with).

I don't think its really a question of what's affordable to Microsoft, they have deep pockets really. The question is, do you want your console of choice to be made by people with no real passion or innovation who are content to keep the product on the market just to screw the rest of the industry over and consumers just to kill one of their competitors? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but maybe that's just the odour of burning silicon and solder from the Xbox 360. ^_^*


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By bkm32 on 7/18/2007 12:10:18 PM , Rating: 2
This is only good news if you're an MS fan(boy). However, if MS "resigned" Moore, then there could be a problem. Then again, now both Sony and MS hate him, perhaps, Nintendo is the big winner in this.


By Rampage on 7/18/2007 3:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
I dont think its good news or bad news, for anyone.

I doubt Sony or MS "hate" him. Sometimes new blood is necessary, its not a petty little game where they hold grudges (at least not for real grudges).

It's business, Sony would hire Moore if they thought he could help them rock the competition.
And Moore would be happy to do that for the right price.

As much as they make it out like a bunch of school ground kids pointing fingers, they want money and nothing else.


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By BiuTech on 7/18/2007 11:50:09 AM , Rating: 1
Although I do not believe MS is a doomed sinking ship it does seem a little suspicious that Robbie sells off 6.2 million in stock and then Peter Moore suddenly resigns on the same day. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened at MS that didn't sit well with them, or others. Then again these two instances could be completely unrelated.


By Oregonian2 on 7/18/2007 1:32:53 PM , Rating: 2
Keep in mind that Moore resigned a month ago, it's only being announced now. He gave them time to find his replacement before the public resignation.


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By robinthakur on 7/19/2007 5:40:45 AM , Rating: 2
I consider most of what Microsoft and Sony to be business bluster as neither of them is doing especially well, truth be told. Its obviously really bad to lose someone so synonymous with the Xbox as Moore and I have no doubt *whatsoever* that he has moved on involuntarily due to the design flaw in the 360, and the lacklustre presentation at E3 is purely a symptom. Marketing is important, its what's got Micrososft this far. Its what causes Fanboys and zealots to convince their nearest and dearest that they should buy a product. Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen as last generation, with one company deciding that since it can't win the current generation, it will prematurely start the next. Though I don't think Sony deserve anything less than blame for their mismanagement of the PS3 failure, I think that Microsoft's decision to bring out the 360 so early has brought several knock on effects in the industry

1) It caused slow initial sales of the 360 while cannabalizing sales of the Xbox1, which was quickly abandoned. Thanks MS. Design flaws crept in through hasty/bad thermal design.

2) It caused Sony to rush the PS3 and load it with extraneous parts just to try and rub MS nose in the dirt. Ironically it was late because of this, extending the PS2 life to what it naturally would have been, which unbalanced the whole industry. Its also too expensive to sell the volumes which will raise the attachment rate.

3) When I say unbalance, I mean that the whole industry suddenly had to pay HUGE ammounts to develop proper HD next gen engines/games (ps3/360) which will only really sell in volume on one of those platforms, as the PS3 userbase is so small, and there's no guarantee of even that!! MS missed their sales/shipping target and I'm not exactly surprised at that to be honest. Nobody's going to buy a console when it has a) a big design flaw and b) a better version coming out soon with HDMI/cooler core. developers probably don't optimise the code especially for the PS3/360 because its likely that they would sell more copies if they released the game on Wii, DS or especially PS2.

3b)Japanese gamers don't like games what American Gamers like. They don't like or play FPS games. They don't think there's much special about the violent, 'urban', misogynistic GTA series. I would agree with them. The ps3/360 are too physically big for the japanese home and the latter too noisy, with very little to recommend them.

4) Nintendo could not realistically afford to compete on the same playing field (in terms of maintaining their profitability at least, due to hardware costs and time and cost to develop games) but has now won with a better business strategy overall (i.e. make profit from day 1),simplification and more innovative technology. Games are cheaper to develop for it, it has a cool buzz, and consumers, some of which have never played a video game or don't really claim to like them go absolutely ga ga for. I didn't believe this until I saw how worked up and excited people get playing Wii tennis lol.

Hmm, if I were a developer, which would I develop for, hmmm. Difficult decision...

Incidentally I own all the big three consoles, (as of last week) and so far I'm most impressed with the Sony offering (ignoring the price) as its quiet, does not get as hot, the interface feels more responsive and the HD is integrated better. Also it has wifi integrated. And blu ray. I did get the PS3 first before I picked up a 360, so maybe that's what's different between my view and yours. It just seems to do more. The 360 feels a bit cheap and tacky Also its the little things...The power brick is massive and gets really hot, as does the machine, and god is it noisy!! Considering that it looks all cool and lifestyly, its just too loud. The IR on the front keeps turning on the 360 when I'm using my MCE remote for my Vista media centre, I get really pissed off that wireless is not integrated, and since I don't play games online, why does it keep blathering on about profiles, signing in/out etc?!? I don't want a profile, I just want to play the game! Why does the image on screen tear during movement all the time even on menu screens? I absolutely cannot stand how games run at 30fps on it, why on earth is 60fps not the norm? I don't want to play slide shows. Some of the supposedly 'best lookin' games on 360 run like dogs (e.g. Dirt, Gears, PGR3 from what I've seen so far) Very pretty in stills though. What's that even about I just don't get it. If you're going to tout graphical horsepower over the Wii, then the games should look good. Sega had it right saying that everything had to be 60fps *so long ago* with Dreamcast, it makes it look like the latest generation are just underpowered for the ambitions of game designers.

I think I'll go play the Wii now :)

R
T


RE: Peter Moore is jumping off the sinking Ship
By afkrotch on 7/23/2007 1:09:43 AM , Rating: 2
I enjoy the 360 and the PS3. Their are pros and cons of each system. Online system for 360 is better, but too ingrained. Take for example, Idolm@ster. I can't continue from a saved game, unless I log into Xbox Live. Ya...found this out recently, while I've been moving from Japan to Germany. Xbox Live is more responsive than PSN though and has a lot more content.

Music sounds better on the PS3. Course Xbox has playlist options, while PS3 doesn't. I think the PS3's visuals look better though, but that's just personal opinion.

Picture viewing is better on the PS3, with multiple modes to view pictures. Xbox allows you to create your own folders to store images though, while PS3 uses stupid image dates and transfer dates to organize images.

PS3 provides users with better data transfer options. Easily moving music, movies, saves, etc to different storage mediums. Xbox is locked down like a mofo, trying to force users to pay for their overly expensive memory cards. Can't even transfer music off a flash drive to the internal hdd.

Course to think that either the Xbox 360 or PS3 are failures, is just ignorance. Ever since Sony and Microsoft have come into the console field, they've always lost money on the console, until technology advances and the cost of the parts for the consoles came down. Also new revisions to lower the cost of each console.

1. Do I think the 360 was rushed? Yes and no, but this was hardly the reason that the 360 has design flaws. If it were, why hasn't the latest revisions fixed these design flaws?

Also millions of consoles sold in a few months is hardly a slow initial sale.

2. Huh? Sony planned to have tons of parts in the PS3, but due to Microsoft being a year ahead of the game, they cut out tons of options that were planned for the console. Course these were probably more for cost savings, than because of Microsoft.

3. No one had to move to HD, just cause the console was capable of it. Also, WTF is an HD next gen engine? Some of the most current HD capable games are based off old game engines. Take for example Splinter Cell: Double Agent, which is based off the Unreal Engine 2.5. An engine used for PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox games.

3b. You apparently have never lived in Japan to make the assumption that the Japanese don't play FPS games. I have lived in Japan for 2 years and I can tell you that the Japanese play FPS games. I went to Tokyo Game Show 2005 and they had a large booth for nothing but Counterstrike: Source and the booth was filled up. Every FPS game I have on my PC, I could easily find game servers to play on (minus Blackhawk Down - course it's an old game).

Also you didn't want to see the mad rush for PS3 consoles when it was released in Japan. Course, they have a better overall scheme for selling consoles on the 1st day.

4. Nintendo simply decided to hit an untapped market with their console, based off of how well their DS did. I hate the term innovative. Nothing innovative about the Wii. The technology has been around forever. It's been used in arcades around the world.

The Wii was a great design, but I don't think it'll last as long as the Xbox 360 or PS3. Once the wow factor is gone, it'll just die away. Much like the arcade games of old (which you rarely see nowadays).


By Mach Omega on 7/24/2007 12:55:29 AM , Rating: 2
Me likey post. Good shyte, would uprate you if I could.


By robinthakur on 7/25/2007 11:17:47 AM , Rating: 2
It sounds like you have a good experience with both systems, but I would like to pick up some of your points...

Neither might currently be classed as failures, however, its not really important what I think, its what Game developers think, where they gamble their development budgets and on which platforms. So far, I get the impression that they approached the XBOX 360 in the same way as dev teams approached the Dreamcast ages ago as being very easy and friendly to program for, but only the warm up for when the PS2/3 came out. Now that the PS3 has underwhelmed most people's expectations in terms of sales, they're stuck somewhat between a rock and a hard place. The XBox 360 has not sold enough to merit exclusive development (plus the overheating issues) and the PS3 is not building up an installed user base as quickly as thought. Crucially, nobody I know apart from myself has got a PS3, a couple have an Xbox and most (>5) have Wii's, but this is merely anecdotal.

1. I completely agree that the design flaw must be extremely expensive to fix for MS if it means that paying upwards of $1billion is cheaper to throw at the problem instead. Either that or its not fixable in a cost effective way and they'd have to offer a recall otherwise...ouch.

2. I know right, what happened to the dual hdmi output on PS3 lol...I meant only that Sony were under significantly more pressure because MS started the next console round early. That's why the PS2 is still selling so well, because there are still very decent games available for it (FF12 and GOW2 for example). Granted Sony had their own production issues, but I don't think that they would have been so quick to kill off the last generation if left to their own devices.

3. I'm talking about games built from the ground up for PS3 and Xbox360 not upgraded ports from the last generation as SCDA is. The cost of developing dedicated games for both consoles has reached such huge complexity and cost if one wants to produce something with high production values that it makes it prohibitively expensive for alot of independent developers. They were forced to move to "HD" by the weight of public perception, expectation and MS/Sony hype on "Photo-realistic" graphics. To support this, just look at the dumb western reaction to the look and feel of Blue Dragon on 360. "It looks like its made for kids". Idiots.

Yes they had to start sometime, I guess, but the end result is that until about 2 years into each console's lifespan, most games will be upgraded ports from the last generation. eg. PGR3, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, any Ridge Racer, DOA4, Splinter Cell, the usual EA suspects. I honestly haven't been genuinely impressed by anything running on either console so far. They either look fantastic in still shots then run at 30fps (GOW) or run at 1080p 60fps and still lack wow factor (Ridge Racer 7 PS3)

3b. Yes I have lived in Japan actually, about 3 years ago for 2 years in Tokyo, and nobody I knew played them. Having said that you've merely proved that some japanese play FPS games, not that they regularly sell them in any volume. Of course the area was crammed, it was a games show... A fact bourne out if you look at the recent sales charts. They are not a popular genre over there, if they were, then they would have gone mad over the XBOX 360 as that's what most of its games consist of.

There's always a mad rush on any launch day in Japan. For once though, the maddest launch days were in the US where someone got shot for one...

4. It is innovative, I don't care what you say. If it wasn't why did Sony copy it with the 6-axis? Why is it on every news channel in the world that a console has an accurate motion sensing controller? Whether that innovation was the initial development of the underlying tech, or the business innovation in building this in as the primary control mechanism to the Wii and pitching it to a non-gaming mass-market, I'd say Nintendo is the most innovative of the big three. Most people you ask in the street (not necessarily game aware) would likely agree. When I had some non gamer guests round recently, they just went nuts for the Wii, purely from word of mouth, and they didn't even mention the other two behemoths sitting alongside.

Which arcade games do you mean? I think that given that the Wii is not a graphics powerhouse and its still selling better than anything else, people aren't really bothered about the graphics being better on PS3/Xbox, because they don't expect them to be. As long as the games keep coming then it has a rosy future. People always seem to predict death for the Wii, even when its kicking the competition's ass. When the installed user base shoots past the Xbox as it will in the near term, which platform does it make sense to develop for? Which platform is it easiest to make money from? The answer is obvious. Developers are businesses and have little time for a console with no user base and an arrogant backer, and another console whose sales have stalled and which has a design flaw. Its not rocket science...add in the fact that games are cheaper to make for the Wii, and we have a winner.

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