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Microsoft is now on a level playing field with the PlayStation 4

Microsoft today has some new ammunition in its fight against the PlayStation 4: a new starting price. The Redmond, Washington-based software/hardware company will soon offer the Xbox One without the bundled Kinect camera. As a result, the console by itself will be priced at $399, matching the price of entry for the Sony PlayStation 4.
 
The PlayStation 4 has maintained a sales lead over the Xbox One since its introduction late last year, but the tides could easily shift now that Microsoft is at pricing parity with its main rival.


The $399 Xbox One will go on sale June 9. Microsoft will still continue selling the Xbox One bundled with the Kinect camera for $499.

In other Xbox news, Microsoft also announced that Xbox 360 and Xbox One users will no longer need an Xbox Live Gold subscription in order to use Netflix, Hulu, and HBO Go (among other services).

Source: Microsoft



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Saw this on Engadget earlier
By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 11:40:08 AM , Rating: 4
Great news to see. The biggest turnoff for me has always been the fact that Netflix required a gold subscription, but no other console or device has required anything similar. Maybe now I'll actually use my 360 from time to time. It's been collecting some dust pretty much since I bought it.




RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By niaaa on 5/13/2014 11:44:26 AM , Rating: 3
that's a well planned buy!


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By p05esto on 5/13/2014 11:51:10 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the same thing.... you bought and never used... like an $300 impulse buy? I suppose. Why would you buy a gaming machine to stream Netflix? My tv, bluray and WDTV all stream Netflix already.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 12:08:53 PM , Rating: 2
It was. I bought it the same time I bought a new TV during a black Friday sale. I got the console super cheap and it came with 2 games that I wanted and an extra controller, and the plan was to use it has a media extender, but I didn't end up using it as much as I had planned. In retrospect it was not a great idea, but what's done is done.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Manch on 5/13/2014 1:52:39 PM , Rating: 3
I use my 360 equally as a gaming machine and as a media extender. It works great for that purpose. I dont have a smart TV and since I already have a 360 I didnt feel the need to get a roku or any of those other boxes.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Mitch101 on 5/13/2014 11:50:59 AM , Rating: 2
I used to feel the same way but since I still have two 360's the free gold games makes up for it. Microsoft said they will do the same for the XBox One at a later date. Probably not until next year. Not all the free games appeal to me but it does get me/kids to try new things we wouldn't normally.

I would like to see some new Kinect titles for the One even re-releases that can utilize the enhanced performance of the One Kinect.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By retrospooty on 5/13/2014 11:52:02 AM , Rating: 2
"The biggest turnoff for me has always been the fact that Netflix required a gold subscription, but no other console or device has required anything similar. "

Nice... Glad MS is listening. That is one thing that really bugged me. They appear to be removing all of the irritating things they have done lately.

Win 8 start menu
Win8 full screen Metro apps
Xbox - always required internet
Xbox - used game policy
Xbox - gold for video streaming

Hopefully they continue with the "give the customer what they want" mentality and don't re-revert back to the "give the customer what drives our internal agendas" mentality they have had for the past couple of years.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Mitch101 on 5/13/2014 12:09:41 PM , Rating: 3
Its history now.

Details
Xbox One is on sale in 13 countries
The PS4 is on sale in 48 countries

Ideally who cares both will sell enough that companies will make games for both.

You would feel this way regardless if Microsoft cured cancer.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Mitch101 on 5/13/2014 12:20:06 PM , Rating: 3
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RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By room200 on 5/13/2014 9:14:46 PM , Rating: 1
Hey Reclaiamer, I'll help you out.............Benghazi!!!!!!


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Jim_Liquor on 5/15/2014 6:19:06 AM , Rating: 2
I have read many of Reclaimer's posts and don't agree with a lot of them... but to try to troll him on a tragedy that is the fault of the current administration (and it is, there is no way to dispute it) is wrong.

Grow up, jackass.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By room200 on 7/27/2014 8:13:46 AM , Rating: 2
Tell your mother. There were many other "tragedies" of US embassies being attacked. You couldn't name one of the dead. Like you cared.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By BRB29 on 5/13/2014 12:19:10 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
They've made billions off people by locking Internet services behind their artificial paywall - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+One+Now+Priced+at+39...


do you realize how much Sony makes locking people into propriety crap?

Every business will try to lock you in. Google, MS, Sony, Apple, etc... all do it. Your blind hate is hiding behind a wall of bias.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Alexvrb on 5/13/2014 11:44:30 PM , Rating: 2
What exactly do you mean by "accepts plain old USB devices"? I found an old USB controller in my closet. Can I use it on a PS4? What about this printer? Spare external hard drive for game installs?

P.S. He mentioned Google in a non-positive manner - Go boy, get him! Attack!


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By MindParadox on 5/14/2014 3:30:43 PM , Rating: 2
"It even accepts plain old USB devices while Microsoft insists you buy Xbox branded peripherals."

umm, I've been using a 32 gig usb stick bought from Microcenter for about two years on my 360, before that, an 8 gig for at least two years, neither of which was Microsoft branded.

Also, my son has used since 07 or so a gamestop branded wired controller(it's usb too!) oh his 360.

so, wanna try again?


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By tamalero on 5/19/2014 1:16:38 PM , Rating: 2
They are clearly talking about the new consoles, not the 360 or Ps3.


By retrospooty on 5/13/2014 12:35:59 PM , Rating: 3
"They're only now removing this restriction because of the continued domination of the PS4. Not that they are "listening" to the consumer."

OK, listening to the consumer or bowing to pressure. Either way, if they stop the crap, I am happy. I'd rather they do the right thing for the wrong reason than do the wrong thing for any reason...


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By googlefumaster on 5/13/2014 1:42:15 PM , Rating: 2
I have to disagree here.

The reason MS originally made the Kinect mandatory was to ensure game developers would code for it, knowing everyone had it.

Sure the thing's little quirky and buggy, but that would've been worked out over time.

And the extra hundred bucks as a reason for not buying XBone, I find that a little hard to believe when you're going to be shelling out 60-70 bucks for each new game.

Now it's never going to go anywhere. Who wants to write games for a device that only some people own? BTW I don't really care, as I'm a PC gamer but it was a cool technology with a lot of potential that will probably crash and burn now.

2014 -- RIP Kinect


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Manch on 5/13/2014 2:00:10 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, the fact that they will now fracture their user base with this move is stupid. Like you saif game developers will not consider it anymore since not everyone will have it. The whole purpose of bundling it was to ensure that! MS should have just dropped the price to $399 w/kinect and been done with it. That would have made it parity with PS4. yeah they would have taken a bath but the payout in the long run would be worth it. Now its the less powerful console that cant hit 1080 for the same price....

MS should have snagged Mulally. He knows how to run a corporation.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Mint on 5/13/2014 2:11:10 PM , Rating: 2
I think Kinect will still do well.

Honestly, what's the point of buying a XB One without it? It has no distinguishing features over PS4 anymore, and several disadvantages.

MS is making a new console experience with Kinect, and is slowly improving it with Cortana, better voice recognition, universal apps, etc. PS4 to me is just an average PC, and XBox One w/o Kinect is slightly lamer still. I'm not a console guy, but if I had to choose, it would be the Kinect model. At least there's potential, and chicks dig dance games :)


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By themaster08 on 5/14/2014 1:54:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
People don't WANT to use the Kinect.
That must explain why the original Kinect held the record for the fastest selling consumer electronics device.

Why do you have so much hatred towards everything that Microsoft does? Because they're in direct competition with your beloved Google?


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By tamalero on 5/19/2014 1:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
Pretty sure the older Kinetic was more of a dumb machine and not the NSA-esque wet dream of the new one.
Remember; it was blasted a lot because Kinetic could NOT TURN OFF, and It would be ALWAYS LISTENING unless you shut down the entire thing (by pulling the electrical cord).
Things changed, but Some people do not forget easily and the track of Microsoft with the Xbox one is against them big time.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By tamalero on 5/19/2014 1:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
also, "fastest selling consumer device".
Compared to what?


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By degobah77 on 5/13/2014 2:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
The Kinect just needs one killer app and it's only a matter of time.

I already use my Xbox One 10x more than my PS4 (I should probably take a Swiffer to it when I get home). Doesn't matter how much more powerful it is if it doesn't have any decent games.


By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 9:01:47 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I was specifically referring to the gold subscription requirement for streaming services. I have no feeling sin particular about Kinect being bundled; although, it seems pretty clear based on feedback that there are a number of people who are not interested in what it has to offer.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By Jim_Liquor on 5/15/2014 6:24:30 AM , Rating: 2
RIP? No, its more like "I hope it burns in hell" ... its useless to gaming and I don't want a robot eye looking at me and listening to me at all times.


RE: Saw this on Engadget earlier
By russki on 5/13/2014 4:43:02 PM , Rating: 2
About time. I went with ps4 because I didnt want a motion controller or had to pay extra fees to enjoy streaming content. Part of the reason why I ditched xbox alltogether. The ps4 finally has a comfortable controller, so it was a no brainer. People who complain about the console being underpowered: compared to what? A $300 gfx card? or to a $99 gfx card? or to a 2k gaming computer? It also has an integrated blu ray drive and comes with a controller. Well worth it in my book, plus I play on my 60 inch plasma with true surround sound!


By inperfectdarkness on 5/14/2014 6:05:34 AM , Rating: 2
Should have done this at release. And I'd still be hard pressed to shell out more than $299. MS is so busy trying to push XBOX...they're still missing the boat on Win 8.1...


XBox One transforms...
By OnyxNite on 5/13/2014 11:50:46 AM , Rating: 3
Into an over-sized and underpowered PS4. Doesn't everything the Xbox One did that the PS4 didn't require the Kinect?




RE: XBox One transforms...
By Mitch101 on 5/13/2014 12:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
They are both underpowered.
Sony and Ubisoft just pulled Watchdogs 1080p support and neither will answer why.

Both consoles should be way beyond a reasonable doubt to play everything at 1080P today without question. When they try to force 1080P it will effect gameplay at some point in the game. Its just a debate that should be happening with this generation.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: XBox One transforms...
By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 12:16:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Ugh give it up. One is more powerful than the other! Period, convo over, moving on...

Why do you have to instigate? That wasn't his point. He wasn't defending the xbox one, nor was he praising PS4. He was calling them both underpowered. No need to turn this into a fanboy rage fest of "nuh-uh <insert console> is the bestest"

quote:
But that much weaker AND $100 more? No, that's not okay.

This entire article is how it is now the same price, so there is now only a performance difference. More reasonable, but still lacking in the gaming department.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: XBox One transforms...
By BRB29 on 5/13/2014 1:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Both are "weak" compared to PC's yes


I doubt a PC for $400 with blueray, wifi and gaming ability is going to less than $399.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/2014 2:38:29 PM , Rating: 2
I'm right there with you. And I have pointed that out here SEVERAL times. I was just using their argument for the sake of the discussion, mind you.

The video card for new PC alone was $300.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 3:25:07 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody is saying that a PC will have the same value. The argument is about the proportional capabilities to last generation's consoles. When the 360 and PS3 shipped, they were very powerful contenders and featured relatively high end hardware. They were both capable of comparable quality to higher end gaming PCs, and the amount of quality sacrificed by porting to console was minimal. This is not true of the xbox one or PS4. With the xbox one not even hitting 1080p and the PS4 likely struggling to do so with graphical detail being cut just to achieve it, it is an absolute disgrace to call them gaming machines.

Yes, adding better hardware may have inflated the price - maybe the PS4 would've been $500. But game developers are already complaining about how weak the consoles are and they haven't even been out 6 months yet - let alone the 6 years that MS and Sony are likely going to milk them for. The CPU cores are effectively low power netbook processors, and the GPUs are relatively low end. $100 at the volume that MS and Sony are purchasing at could've yielded drastically improved visuals, and that price will fall over time making it more reasonable. There is no reason that everyone and their neighbor needs to be a first adopter of a new console.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/14, Rating: 0
RE: XBox One transforms...
By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 5:31:55 PM , Rating: 2
Cell's problem was just overcomplexity. It was too difficult to program for. But with x86 based processors, it's a lot easier, especially considering most game engines already have PC versions optimized for it.

quote:
Plus after all that cutting edge arms race of technojargon, the lowly kiddie Nintendo Wii outsold them by a mile.

True, I can't really argue with that.

quote:
So "good enough" graphics for $400? Or "really good for six months" graphics at $650?

I guess that depends a lot on what "good enough" is. The xbox one can't even do 1080p in most games. That's definitely not good enough. The PS4 (from the perspective of graphical capabilities) is not a lot faster than the xbox one, and is even slipping at the 1080p mark on some titles. To me, "good enough" means solid framerate and decent graphics at the mainstream expectation, which these days is 1080p. I don't think they've hit the mark. When the PS3 and 360 came out, even without fully utilizing the hardware I was impressed. This time around, they just feel vastly dated on launch. Not at all capable of my expectations.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By atechfan on 5/13/2014 6:03:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think the simple fact is console gamers have never really had top shelf graphics, they don't expect them, so from the OEM's point of view: why bother?


You say this, yet you go on and on about how the XB1 is underpowered. If, as you say, console gamers don't care about graphics, then why would they care about the deficit in power of the XB1? Either graphics matter, then they are both weak, or graphics don't matter, and the XB1 is just fine. You cannot have it both ways.

Games are what sells consoles. Games are where the money is at. The XB1 line-up is looking better than the PS4 line-up so far. We'll see what is announced for both sides come E3.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/2014 6:14:57 PM , Rating: 1
It was underpowered compared to the PS4, and $100 more.

But hey, why bother with details? Just strip out the ENTIRE context of the comparison and call me a hypocrite...


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Reclaimer77 on 5/13/2014 6:19:48 PM , Rating: 2
Also it's clear that I'm not putting forth my own opinion there. I'm playing Devils Advocate of a possible OEM motivation.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By themaster08 on 5/14/2014 1:59:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
But hey, why bother with details?
Yeah, like how you missed out the detail that the Xbox One was $100 more because it came with additional hardware.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By retrospooty on 5/13/2014 5:59:09 PM , Rating: 2
"When the 360 and PS3 shipped, they were very powerful contenders and featured relatively high end hardware. They were both capable of comparable quality to higher end gaming PCs"

No... That just isn't true. They weren't anything near a high end PC. They weren't near the middle with GPU. They were near middle with CPU. Today the CPU is more than plenty and the GPU is right where consoles always are, like a low-middle gaming PC. Doent matter anyhow, as they dont compete for the same market.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By inighthawki on 5/13/2014 7:31:12 PM , Rating: 3
The 360 was based on the X1800 (with slightly differing features), which at the time was AMD's flagship card. The PS4 had a slightly less powerful version of the 7800GTX. Both would've been considered fairly high end at the time it was launched.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_(graphics_chip)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthe...


RE: XBox One transforms...
By retrospooty on 5/14/2014 12:14:47 AM , Rating: 2
Your definition of the word slightly is not the same as mine. Read those links you put up.

"Based on G70 Chip in turn based on the NV47[5] (GeForce 7800 GTX) but with only 8 ROPs activated[6] and 128 Bit memory interface"

Half the ROPS, half the memory bitwidth and lower clocks is less than half the bandwidth... All that is not "slightly". it's the same with the Xbox 360. Way less memory bandwidth. I remember I was alive and in into all this back in those days and I had a 7800gtx. They were nowhere near as fast and the image quality was nowhere near as good as a high end PC. the other thing is at that time was the beginning of a massive growth spurt and graphics quality on the PC side. Chalk it up to bad timing. But it was slower significantly slower. That's the way it's always going to be with a console.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By inighthawki on 5/14/2014 3:16:28 AM , Rating: 1
Since there aren't really any benchmarks, since they're not truly comparable, I cannot tell you for sure, but I'm betting the two are closer in performance than you might think. Half the memory bandwidth does not necessarily translate to half the performance. Rendering engines can also easily trade off memory bandwidth for computer power. I'd actually be surprised if it was anything less than 80% as good as a 7800GTX, which falls directly in line with the estimates that the perf is somewhere between a 7600 and 7800. Maybe "slightly" was a bit under-exaggerated, but it should be decently close.

The GPU in the PS4, it's practically a disgrace for gaming. The PS4 chip is supposedly about as powerful as an HD 6850 or 6870. Compared to the high end now, it's pathetic. In some cases it barely hits 1/3 the speed, sometimes less.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1077?vs=1056

I don't have any references to CPU perf, but I'd be shocked if (relatively) the CPUs in the 360 and PS3 weren't significantly better than those in the XBO and PS4. The extremely poor CPU power has been a complaint of a significant number of game developers already, and has been since even before the consoles launched. The performance on those things will probably be dated by smartphones in a year.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By BRB29 on 5/14/2014 7:41:56 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The GPU in the PS4, it's practically a disgrace for gaming. The PS4 chip is supposedly about as powerful as an HD 6850 or 6870


The PS4 is about the same as a Radeon 7850. I don't know where you're getting your stats from. I have a 7850 in my computer and it runs every game just fine. Most being on high details at 1080p.

I wouldn't call the CPU weak or "netbook" performance either. Maybe you have no idea what netbooks are or have ever seen its performance.

The consoles are fine. The initial launch games are underwhelming with graphics just like when every generation when it first launched.

The reason why games didn't look much different on the new consoles vs the old consoles are simple. They know Titanfall or COD Ghost is going to sell at least 5x the volume on the older generation. It's common sense since there's only a handful of people with the new consoles. Why optimize a small platform when you have the much larger platform? games both sell for $60 regardless if it's PS3 or PS4.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By inighthawki on 5/14/2014 11:24:44 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps I just remembered incorrectly (I was fairly sure its been compared several times to the 6800 series, but maybe it was the 7800 series). Nonetheless, the perf difference between those two is not enormous, and still leaves the consoles at roughly 1/3 the power of higher end chips.

quote:
I wouldn't call the CPU weak or "netbook" performance either. Maybe you have no idea what netbooks are or have ever seen its performance.

The CPUs are AMD Jaguar cores, which are fairly low end, and comparable to some of the lowest end PC CPUs you can get in a new PC today.

quote:
The reason why games didn't look much different on the new consoles vs the old consoles are simple. They know Titanfall or COD Ghost is going to sell at least 5x the volume on the older generation. It's common sense since there's only a handful of people with the new consoles. Why optimize a small platform when you have the much larger platform? games both sell for $60 regardless if it's PS3 or PS4.

I know some people at various studios working on next gen games. Games that will be exclusive to the new gen of consoles. They have still complained that their engines, which are redesigned from the ground up and optimized for these new platforms, are still underperforming from their expectations.

I understand that with each new generation of consoles there is some break-in period as people adjust and learn the architecture, etc. But I still have my own expectations that a BRAND NEW *GAMING* console be capable of hitting the de facto standard of 1080 in their games at all times.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By retrospooty on 5/14/2014 8:43:52 AM , Rating: 2
It's just not. "based on" a consumer card is not anything remotely the same as a consumer card. EVen if you could do a valid benchmark, its still nt valid... The problem is the memory bandwidth is by far the bottleneck so it does matter alot. That is why Xbox360 and PS3 had suck horribly low res textures. That is where you see it the most because the memory just cant handle the texture swaps so the textures were dumbed down to ridiculously low levels... So benchmarks if ran are at lower texture res than you could even set on the same game on a PC.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By retrospooty on 5/14/2014 8:48:10 AM , Rating: 2
"The GPU in the PS4, it's practically a disgrace for gaming. The PS4 chip is supposedly about as powerful as an HD 6850 or 6870. Compared to the high end now, it's pathetic. In some cases it barely hits 1/3 the speed, sometimes less."

That is about right, but its not a "disgrace". The Xbox One GPU is OK too... Just mid range gaming rigs. Somewhere in that neighborhood, but that is pretty good for a modern console. Well, its the faster console ever, so there is that. Both about the same but the PS4 doesn't have the memory bottleneck problem.

"I don't have any references to CPU perf, but I'd be shocked if (relatively) the CPUs in the 360 and PS3 weren't significantly better than those in the XBO and PS4"

Relatively speaking you are right, but CPU isnt the bottleneck anymore. GPU is, and for the XBO, GPU/Memory bandwidth.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By someguy123 on 5/15/2014 11:32:09 PM , Rating: 2
The RSX was the same frequency as 7950 (nvidia), which was right below their single gpu flagship at the time (excluding the 8800 chips released just days before the console launch). The entirety of the PS3 was bandwidth constrained, but processing power wise it was technically top of the line, especially with additional effects processing through the cell. The 360 was first to the market with unified shaders, which gave it a decent boost over fixed gpus at the time in terms of efficiency, and was also spec'd comparably to mid~high end ati gpus. Not to mention EDRAM for high bandwidth demands.

Compare that to something theoretically similar to a 7850 and 7790, both of which were mid to low end gpus even before the console launches. Not to mention architecture improvements like GCN give even better performance scaling with freq/shader count thanks to efficiency bumps. The ps4 and xbone are way behind PCs compared to the relative performance of the ps3 and 360.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Flunk on 5/13/2014 12:07:36 PM , Rating: 3
1080p is one of the things you get from any decent gaming PC, it's considered low resolution now on PC.

It will be interesting to see how this stacks up in 5 years, because if the consoles don't last at least that long this is definitely the last generation.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Mitch101 on 5/13/2014 12:19:33 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Mantle might make it closer but still I think they both jumped the gun one CPU/GPU generation too early trying to one up each other in being first and both fall just short of the goal.

One of them should have packed a 7850 chip inside.

I hear Nintendo might be showing the Wii-U replacement.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By FITCamaro on 5/14/2014 12:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
I think once they're more used to the consoles, they'll have no issues getting 1080p out of them.

At least with the PS4s hardware, you have a machine that on a Windows based computer, you'd be able to do 1080p gaming with at least medium settings.

With the Xbox One, you're obviously worse off.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By retrospooty on 5/13/2014 12:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but One of them is even more so. You know which One. the One with horribly slow GRAM because it isn't GRAM. It's DRAM


RE: XBox One transforms...
By FITCamaro on 5/14/2014 11:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
I'd much rather games be in 720p and have lots of detail rather than a retarded focus on 1080p with far less detail. On consoles, 720p is fine. PCs are different and its hard to play a lot of games at 720p. But for consoles its fine.

Yeah I have a high end PC too.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By stm1185 on 5/17/2014 11:04:56 PM , Rating: 2
I'd rather the games be in 1080p with less detail. I know this because when I moved to a 1440 monitor I found myself having to turn down detail settings, yet still enjoying it more.


RE: XBox One transforms...
By Flunk on 5/13/2014 12:11:49 PM , Rating: 2
That's not fair, the Xbox One is a much better doorstop than the PS4 owing to it's boxy shape and huge size!


RE: XBox One transforms...
By stm1185 on 5/17/2014 11:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
Door stops are supposed to be small so they can wedge underneath, which clearly the XBox One cannot due, it would simply slide when pushed on by the door.

No it would have to be angular...


Kinect
By Flunk on 5/13/2014 11:44:00 AM , Rating: 3
Can we all agree now that there really is no compelling software for Kinect on Xbox One? Unless you want a dance game there is literally nothing.




RE: Kinect
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 5/13/2014 11:51:11 AM , Rating: 2
Well, there's exercise.. And who knows, maybe with a lightsaber peripheral another Old Republic game could be fun.


RE: Kinect
By RGrizzzz on 5/13/2014 12:05:50 PM , Rating: 2
The voice command stuff requires the Kinect, because it contains the mic.


RE: Kinect
By OnyxNite on 5/13/2014 12:11:10 PM , Rating: 2
The voice commands don't work with the bundled headset?


RE: Kinect
By kattanna on 5/13/2014 12:45:49 PM , Rating: 3
i find it interesting that MS stated they would never unbundle the kinect

kinda like they could never unbundle IE

LOL


RE: Kinect
By BZDTemp on 5/14/2014 3:28:39 AM , Rating: 2
For sure this is not gonna help. It's like with the 360 where the no-hard drive SKU meant all games was made to work on that basis, so this moves essentially ensures Kinect is dead in the water.

I see the move not as increased argument one should go One rather then PS4, but in fact the opposite because who want's to invest in a sinking ship.


Stupid, Stupid, Stupid
By Arsynic on 5/14/2014 9:51:40 AM , Rating: 4
Phil Spencer needs to listen to the real userbase instead of the naysaying Twitter army.

These folks will just move the goalposts to the next complaint.

This won't boost Xbox One sales one bit.




Huzzah!
By Beefmeister on 5/13/2014 12:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
Fan-bloody-tastic. Now find out a way to give me backwards compatibility with my library of 360 games, and it will be an insta-buy for me.




As a PC gamer,
By atechfan on 5/13/2014 3:51:38 PM , Rating: 2
the only console I have bought recently is the Wii U. The console is for the kids, and neither XB1 nor PS4 are particularly good in the kid-friendly game dept. But if I was going to choose between the XB1 and PS4, I'd probably choose the company that is not bleeding money and in danger of bankruptcy. Just saying.




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