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On Monday federal agents arrested a Cal State student for modifying his Xbox. The student faces up to 10 years in prison on charges stemming from an investigation that cost taxpayers thousands and lasted a year. States federal ICE agent Robert Schoch, "Playing with games in this way is not a game -- it is criminal."  (Source: Comedy Central)
"Playing with games in this way is not a game -- it is criminal" -- Robert Schoch, federal agent

Learning soldering, tweaking hardware, uploading new firmware -- these sound like the wholesome kind of extracurricular activities you might run across at an electronics club or robotics league.  However, they landed one young college student on the wrong side of the law.

Like millions in the U.S. and abroad, Matthew Lloyd Crippen, a 27 year old resident of Anaheim and Cal State student, modified his video game console using widely available mod chips and bootleg firmware.  Unlike many, though, Mr. Crippen was busted -- by federal agents, nonetheless.

A year long investigations ended Monday with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents taking Mr. Crippen into custody.  The expensive investigation, which likely came at a cost of tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars began with a tip from the Entertainment Software Association, which likely caught caught wind of Mr. Crippen's hobbies via watching message boards, or perhaps by tracking mod chip shipments.

The investigation end with the arrest and Mr. Crippen being arraigned on two charges stemming from violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA).  He has been charged with two counts of modifying for personal financial gain technology affecting control or access to a copyrighted work, two charges that carry a potential prison time of 5 years a piece -- for a total of 10 years if he is convicted on all charges.

Robert Schoch, special agent in charge of the ICE investigations office in Los Angeles had little sympathy for the young lawbreaker, stating, "Playing with games in this way is not a game -- it is criminal.  Piracy, counterfeiting and other intellectual property rights violations not only cost U.S. businesses jobs and billions of dollars a year in lost revenue, they can also pose significant health and safety risks to consumers."

According to Mr. Schoch 750,000 Americans lose their jobs a year due to piracy and $250B USD of the U.S. economy is lost.  Mr. Crippen played a small part in that loss -- a raid of his apartment in May revealed 12 modified Xbox, Wii, and Playstation game consoles.  It is believed that Mr. Crippen was selling the modded consoles for a small profit.  That small part may earn him some big prison time and fines, though, and will likely end his dreams of getting his college degree.

While Mr. Crippen may have been aiding software piracy, the extreme penalties the charges carry and the fact that he is not being charged for pirating software, but rather for merely modifying hardware he legally purchased seems highly questionable. 

One thing's for sure, though -- with Apple urging the U.S. government to outlaw iPhone unlocking as a potential terrorist act, with the RIAA scoring a jury verdict of $1.92M USD in damages against a filesharer, and with the EFF and ACLU unsuccessful thus far in halting such actions, it appears that the U.S. government and industry officials are more ready than ever to resort to extreme punishments to curb tech crime.  And the irony is that across the nation piracy is soaring to new all time highs.


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Statistics...
By Mclendo06 on 8/6/2009 1:12:59 AM , Rating: 5
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According to Mr. Schoch 750,000 Americans lose their jobs a year due to piracy and $250B USD of the U.S. economy is lost.


In other news, today I saved 50 people's lives by not driving into a large crowd of people.




RE: Statistics...
By halcyon on 8/6/2009 1:15:16 AM , Rating: 2
Expect a knock on - nay, crash through the door by the same agents.

Piracy is one thing, but modding is another. Why do the reporters have to confuse these things.

I have a modded Xbox (100% legal where I live) and not a *single* pirated game for the console. I run Linux on it. Never played anything on it - not even the free game that came with the box.


RE: Statistics...
By Mclendo06 on 8/6/2009 1:23:58 AM , Rating: 5
Thankfully I won't be getting any knocks since I don't pirate stuff (and don't even own a game console). It just really vexes me to no end when people come up with totally indefensible numbers to try and make their case. 75% of people are just going to look at the number and decide that it adds legitimacy to someone's argument without questioning the means by which the number was arrived at.


RE: Statistics...
By MikeO on 8/6/2009 6:45:15 AM , Rating: 5
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It just really vexes me to no end when people come up with totally indefensible numbers to try and make their case. 75% of people are just going to...


Nice :P


RE: Statistics...
By SSDMaster on 8/6/2009 8:47:35 AM , Rating: 2
hahahhahaha
I know :)


RE: Statistics...
By MarkHark on 8/6/2009 5:30:51 PM , Rating: 2
You win!


RE: Statistics...
By WinstonSmith on 8/6/2009 10:05:26 AM , Rating: 5
I don't condone what he did by any means, but a 10 year sentence when the average sentence for murder is 15 years?

Welcome to the corporate police state.


RE: Statistics...
By Mr772 on 8/6/2009 10:16:35 AM , Rating: 2
Amen whatever happened to the idea that the punishment should fit the crime.

Convicted child molesters = off with their heads.


RE: Statistics...
By MrBlastman on 8/6/2009 10:51:26 AM , Rating: 3
Console molesting is far more a serious crime I suppose. Those chips and bits, they have feelings too. That little kid down the street - "bah!," as far as the lawmakers say, that punk that was downloading to his harddrive and spinning his cd-rom the wrong direction is a criminal!

Poor consoles, all naked in their platic shell. Wide open to those wanting to pry inside them and play with their innards. Freaks.

That geeky guy with glasses, a monacle and a soldering iron... watch out! He'll finger the xbox's USB port if you look the wrong way!

*Pssssst, hey man, do you want to lengthen your controller port wire? The girls will go wild*...

What a backwards society we live in. If it were a perfect world, I concur, off with the CHILD molester's heads, but spare the lowly console modder. All they are doing is what people have been doing for years with their cars, houses and farm equipment. They're just trying to make their consoles better.

What is wrong with that? (aside from the piracy - there are people out there that _only_ play pirated games on their consoles - and that is lame. Those developers work their butts off while having a whip cracked on them being forced to work 60 - 80 hrs a week, well, at least in the EA of old).


RE: Statistics...
By vanka on 8/6/2009 1:07:22 PM , Rating: 3
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I don't condone what he did by any means

Why not? Nowhere did I read that he was actually accused of pirating games; in fact the article says that only modded consoles were found (what the author in typical Jason Mick fashion calls "pirated consoles"). This is not a case about piracy, but rather whether or not you have a right to mod the hardware that you legally purchased and own.

I can think of several legitimate reasons why someone would want to mod their consoles; first and foremost is to unlock the full functionality of the hardware locked away by the manufacturer. Second, the new breed of consoles are power computers that have been locked by the manufactures to run only a limited selection of software approved by them. If I want to create or run homebrew games or software, I'll need to mod my console. If I want to experiment with Linux and make my Xbox a mini ftp/web server; again, I'll need to mod my Xbox. Or add more advanced web functionality - you get the picture.

Yes, the mods could be used to help in pirating games or running pirated games; but does that mean that the other legitimate uses get canceled out? The only thing this kid did wrong was to make a small profit on installing mods on consoles for people who aren't technical enough to do it themselves; nowhere is it alleged that he pirated or provided pirated games to his customers.


RE: Statistics...
By aj28 on 8/7/2009 12:26:51 AM , Rating: 2
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The only thing this kid did wrong was to make a small profit on installing mods on consoles for people who aren't technical enough to do it themselves; nowhere is it alleged that he pirated or provided pirated games to his customers.


That's considered a bit of a big deal actually. Btw, think he paid taxes on the profits?


RE: Statistics...
By dxf2891 on 8/7/2009 4:10:00 PM , Rating: 2
He should get paid for his effort. And as far as taxes, if this was a legitimate business (legitimate as in paying taxes) he could write off a portion of his utilities and mortgage as small business space. Of course it would also depend on how much he earned (I believe anyting under $10,000 is negligible). It kills me how these companies all but beg you to PURCHASE their hardware and then scoff when you want to use it to your own ends. It reminds me of the satellite wars of the early 90's. Echo Star and DirectTv tried to dictate to individuals what to do with the receivers they purchased. The judge said, and I quote, "The consumers have purchased this equipment. If they chose to shoot it with a shotgun in their backyard, that is their perogative." The satellite companies then only allowed consumers to lease the receivers, which put a huge dent in their bottom line. Greed man, it mucks up everything.


RE: Statistics...
By putergeek00 on 8/6/2009 10:51:37 AM , Rating: 4
Dilbert giving a presentation:

Dilbert: "I didn't have any numbers so I just made this one up. Studies have shown that accurate numbers aren't any more useful than the ones you make up."

Someone in the back: "How many studies showed that?"

Dilbert: "Eighty Seven."

http://espanol.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-05-08...


RE: Statistics...
By Tripmasta on 8/10/2009 3:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
And don't forget how statistics can be spun any which way.

Did you know that 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang-rape?


RE: Statistics...
By StevoLincolnite on 8/6/2009 2:13:18 AM , Rating: 2
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I have a modded Xbox (100% legal where I live) and not a *single* pirated game for the console. I run Linux on it. Never played anything on it - not even the free game that came with the box.


I have a Modded Xbox 1 console as well, however I'm running Windows XP on it. (Modded the console with an extra 64mb of memory). - Plays Quake 3 rather well, but it makes an excellent HTPC for a Standard Definition TV in the kids room.

Luckily it's 100% legal here as well. :)

My Xbox 360 console isn't modded, I find people insane to mod there Xbox 360 consoles as it voids the warranty, and considering the older revisions had such high failure rates...
Thankfully I haven't needed to mod my 360, as it already makes a great Media Center without it, I have 2x 500gb USB bus powered drives connected, and all my favorite TV shows and movies ripped from DVD stored on it.


RE: Statistics...
By Samus on 8/6/2009 3:48:31 AM , Rating: 2
They fail to mention the majority of piracy causing these 'lost jobs' and '250 billion dollars in lost revenue' comes from Chinese bootleging.

After all, where were the modchips he used manufactured?

Personally, I believe people have a right to modify their personal game consoles for themselves. I have a lot of fun doing it. Back in the day I modded my PS2 just so I could play import games. And I remember modding my Dreamcast (way before they had bootdiscs and stuff) just so I could play my imported copy of Marvel vs Capcom.

They failed to mention if this kid had ANY pirated software. All they are charging him with is being in possession of TWO modded game consoles. Exactly what the hell is the problem with that!?


RE: Statistics...
By Cerberus90 on 8/6/2009 6:50:17 AM , Rating: 3
Perhaps you didn't read the article correctly, it says a raid found 12 modified consoles.

So they think he's modifying them and selling them on for a profit, hence breaking the law.

Really it shoudn't be him thats breaking the law, it should be the person who buys the chipped console and then uses it for pirated games.

And 10 years seems a bit much, surely just a sensible fine is enough.


RE: Statistics...
By Quijonsith on 8/6/2009 8:18:33 AM , Rating: 2
Just like it shouldn't have been Jammie Thomas who was breaking the law, but those who illegally downloaded music from her. It's relatively easy for law enforcement to find the facilitator, not so easy to find the actual perpetrator.

Too bad "innocent until proven guilty" only applies in federal cases. In civil cases the burden of proof is on the defendant. Justice is blind.

As far as reminiscing about modded consoles, I installed a simple switch (yep, that was the entire mod with some wire) in my Sega Saturn back in the day that allowed me to play imports. It didn't allow me to play pirated games, yet by today's apparent standards that would have cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars.


RE: Statistics...
By ThePooBurner on 8/6/2009 2:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
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So they think he's modifying them and selling them on for a profit, hence breaking the law.


I fail how to see how the price i sell something for, when i legally bought said item, is breaking the law. What you're suggesting is that if i buy an Dell and upgrade the video card after market and then sell the thing for a profit i am breaking the law. That is asinine.


RE: Statistics...
By myhipsi on 8/7/2009 8:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
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Perhaps you didn't read the article correctly, it says a raid found 12 modified consoles. So they think he's modifying them and selling them on for a profit, hence breaking the law.


Maybe I'm missing something here. Apparently this is still legal in Canada? I can go to several websites hosted in canada and buy a pre-modded Xbox 360 without a problem and no one is busting down these companies doors. What are these companies doing? Modifying game consoles and selling them at a profit just like this poor sap.

I know this guy probably won't get 10 years (at least I hope not), but even so, even if he gets 1 or 2 years for doing this would be indicative of a horribly corrupt corporate run justice system. I mean come on, whatever happened to freedom. Can these consoles be used to play pirated games? sure. Will they be used for that purpose? Not necessarily.

I did notice when I went to one particular popular modchip website here in Canada, that they had a link at the bottom of the page saying, "Your rights are a risk, stop the Canadian DMCA. Click to join the fight" So apparently they're (the copyright goons) are on the march here in Canada as well.

Anyway, this is complete and utter BS. Some rapist will probably get an early release from prison to make room for this "criminal", how pathetic. What a joke of a justice system, just reeking of corporate influence. Do yourselves a favor, and take back your government (A government by the people, for the people?), cause it ain't working for you anymore, it's working for your masters, the corporations.


RE: Statistics...
By nafhan on 8/6/2009 9:36:30 AM , Rating: 1
Best analogy I've heard in a long time.


RE: Statistics...
By Hakuryu on 8/6/2009 2:56:22 AM , Rating: 4
750,000 Americans lose their jobs a year due to piracy.

Screenshots or it didn't happen.

/end utter disbelief at seemingly made up facts


RE: Statistics...
By BansheeX on 8/6/2009 9:27:17 AM , Rating: 1
In case the brilliance of mclendo's joke is lost on anyone, those figures are based on the flawed assumption that people who pirate content would have purchased the games if they hadn't been able to pirate them. That's just bogus, most people who pirate don't even have the capacity to purchase the games they pirate. How is a kid with a couple bucks in his wallet downloading $1000 worth of copied data costing the industry revenue and jobs? It isn't. The numbers are super-inflated by about 95%.


RE: Statistics...
By lightfoot on 8/6/09, Rating: 0
RE: Statistics...
By BIGFOOTPI on 8/9/2009 3:46:20 PM , Rating: 2
"theft of property?" No.
We arent talking about walking into a B&M and taking a disk/box off the shelf are we?
downloading a digital copy is not theft, its taking part in copyright violation. Yes, both are not legal, but lets call a spade a spade.
When are poeple going to get that straight?


RE: Statistics...
By modus2 on 8/6/2009 3:20:46 AM , Rating: 2
"$250B USD of the U.S. economy is lost"

This is total bull, in what way would any money be lost? Its not like people just throw away that amount when its not spent on software, the total disposable income is the same so its just spent on other stuff..ie if they would buy software for the money some other sector would lose the corresponding amount of money and jobs.


RE: Statistics...
By camylarde on 8/6/2009 4:36:48 AM , Rating: 2
Lets make it this way:

" The movie, music and game industry is likely to take away $250B USD from U.S. economy every year, or about 750 000 jobs from other sectors, had they the ability to charge users for everything the users would have pirated."

On the other hand, if it costs tens of thousands to track one student who solders chips onto some xboxes, how about tracking the big fishes?

Has anybody actually cared about catching the crackers groups? Nah, too much effort, and some knowledge required. Its better to spend a year sitting in a car, munching on taxpayers donuts, watching how a kid is playing with solder iron. I have seen legos more complex than xbox.


RE: Statistics...
By Murloc on 8/6/2009 5:08:25 AM , Rating: 2
and that's bs 'cuz the ppl who would not buy the product if not piratable isn't taken into account.

Mafia makes much more money, and they waste a year and lots of money just to catch a boy...


RE: Statistics...
By Yawgm0th on 8/6/2009 10:39:37 AM , Rating: 2
+6


RE: Statistics...
By Hiawa23 on 8/6/2009 12:48:04 PM , Rating: 2
Damn, a football player kills someone while drunk & gets 30days. I love console gaming, & not into the modding, piracy or what not, but he could face some years, come on..


RE: Statistics...
By tedrodai on 8/7/2009 10:57:12 AM , Rating: 2
These numbers all begin from a game played at the US Congress (well other congresses are just as capable, I'm sure). Congressmen like to play with buttons on their calculator, numbers with catchy names, and they won't give money to other government organizations unless they can give them more numbers to play with.

So, don't blame Robert Schoch...he's the one that actually is doing his math correctly. The electronic entertainment industry spits out some pretty huge numbers for some pretty small (although extensive) crimes. For the return on investment, of course he's going to pursue some college kid reselling a few modded game consoles. He's got an easy case to close, can spend an entire year working on it, and can dish out buzzwords and high $$ figures to his heart's desire at his year-end review. This could provide a bonus to his investigation team, himself, his boss, his boss's boss, etc, and guarantee funding for next year for all the snappy numbers they give to Congress.

Think of how much money this kind injected into the government and legal systems for the past year and the next.


Article Fails to Detail the Alleged Crime
By leonowski on 8/6/2009 1:16:17 AM , Rating: 5
This article from the OC Register has a few more details on the allegations:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/crippen-console...

The allegations say that he advertised and profited from modifying consoles. So, it's not that he did this for his own hardware but he did it for others and for profit. That detail is important, I think.




RE: Article Fails to Detail the Alleged Crime
By majBUZZ on 8/6/2009 1:39:08 AM , Rating: 3
begin rant

Yeah there is more too it , but i still think the police and their political corporate overlords are over zealous in their enforcement and priorities.

Wall street who owns both the democrats and republicans ( mostly in the senate ) screwed America for what over 700 billion and a guy like Madoff slips through stealing billions but they caught a guy making maybe at best $20k a year off this yeah hes a real threat to society.

It seems that they don't like it when someone screws them over for 20k but have no problem rapeing the hell outa us.


RE: Article Fails to Detail the Alleged Crime
By headbox on 8/6/2009 2:05:02 AM , Rating: 2
They pursue "pirates" and "modders" because there's a financial interest to do so.

This happens at the local level, where cops will sit around handing out parking and traffic tickets, when they could be looking for felons who jumped bail or failed to appear in court. The department isn't going to make any money looking for a child molester who failed to register... but they can pull in a few thousand dollars in an afternoon going after people changing lanes without signaling.

The USA has become a litigation cesspool, and now they're criminalizing what should be a civil lawsuit at worst.


RE: Article Fails to Detail the Alleged Crime
By Alexstarfire on 8/6/2009 3:57:18 AM , Rating: 5
You should come to Atlanta where the cops hardly bat at eye at people going 15+ over the speed limit, running red lights, and making all kinds of illegal maneuvers.

I agree that there are a great many things in this country that make little sense, and almost all of them are related to the government in some fashion. Many criminal laws make no sense. I don't understand why most of the new technology laws carry such hefty penalties for a relatively minor crimes. I also don't understand how businessmen can get away with effectively stealing millions of dollars with little to no consequences while some random person can pirate 1 song and face years in jail. What kind of F'ing justice is that?


By myhipsi on 8/7/2009 9:05:08 AM , Rating: 2
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What kind of F'ing justice is that?


It's called corporate justice.


By clovell on 8/6/2009 10:40:43 AM , Rating: 3
I completely disagree with that. It makes about as much sense as arresting the owner of the local hardware store for selling you a hacksaw you used to saw off the end of a shotgun.

He performed a service. It's not unprecedented. The 'No Money Gameboy' emulator was the best in its day, and a year or so after release, it came at a cost of $5 or so. There weren't any stories of the feds busting down that guy's door.


By Fallen Kell on 8/6/2009 6:30:09 PM , Rating: 2
Its no more important than a mechanic who modifies cars and advertising said custom cars and selling for profit. If this same rule was applied, Carroll Shelby, should have been jailed, and the entire American Muscle Car phenomenon should not have happened.


By MikeOnline on 8/6/2009 3:28:19 AM , Rating: 5
All this college kid did was add value to stock Xbox products that were already purchased.

Why do we applaud this for other industries -- custom cars, custom motorcycles, etc. -- but when it comes to Game Consoles, the DCMA kicks in and suddenly you're a felon.

I don't get the difference between modding an Xbox and modding a Harley chopper, from a legal standpoint.

If an investigation needs to happen, it should begin with who drafted the DMCA, who sponsired it in Congress, and who in Congress received campaign contributions from companies that stood to benefit from the draconian measures in the DCMA.

- M




By thekdub on 8/6/2009 7:32:14 AM , Rating: 3
Don't forget personal computers.

Many third party vendors offer systems with modified hardware. By the DCMA's apparent reasoning (or lack thereof), a vendor who offers overclocking and custom cooling is running an illegal piracy ring, as they are changing both the physical properties of the hardware and also modifying the software for a purpose not necessarily intended by the manufacturer, and making a profit by selling this modified hardware.

The only difference I see is that the vendor in question has paid the government for a vendor's license, and this student has not.

The government is setting double standards here, and wasting taxpayer money while they do it. There are much more pressing issues at hand that this money could be put towards, instead of making an example by threatening a college kid with 10 years of prison time for modifying legacy hardware.

I hope arrests like these don't become commonplace, I really would prefer to not live in a police state.


By Mitch101 on 8/6/2009 9:21:43 AM , Rating: 3
I dont believe he is up on charges for changing the color or adding glowing lights.

quote:
He has been charged with two counts of modifying for personal financial gain technology affecting control or access to a copyrighted work , two charges that carry a potential prison time of 5 years a piece


I assume he flashed the bios of the chips which bypasses the copy protection then sold them. He should have left that to the person buying the device to do. Cant see this being a problem if they were sold with the cromwell bios.

Im also assuming he pre-loaded games on the Xboxes which is incredibly stupid and petty on an X-box.

My Rundown of where to get games cheap
PC
GoGamer 48 hours madness.
gog.com - This one is growing on me.
BestBuy *chills* has a few good titles every now and then.
Various deals and bargains sites refer you to good locations for cheap games.

Consoles
Gamefly - Rent it and if its good you can buy it pretty cheap this is even for new releases. If its crap or you beat it quick ship it back.
Gamestop constantly has 20-25% off used games. You can pick up tons of games for about $3.00-$8.00 each. They warranty that the pre-used game will work as good as a new one so why waste the cash. I did this with all my PS2 games.
E-Bay You can pick up someones x-box game collection on e-bay or even garage sales for next to nothing. I got 7 games included with a X-Box for $20.00

Please feel free to add to the list.

The main reason people pirate games is price and because they can. $50.00 for a new release is a lot. In some ways it is justified because development can be quite expensive. But If you can learn to live off the cutting edge which is where I am at then you generally pay $3.00-$17.00 for games. I still have a lot in the wrappers.

I don't own a PS3 or XBOX 360 yet but I am planning on getting one for X-Mas this year. I should have bought one at least last year my bad but I just loaded starcraft on my PC. That game was DirectX5. Im betting I can get tons for games for them for $10.00-$20.00 sure all that's the best titles are Platinum hits by now or tons of used copies floating around.


By clovell on 8/6/2009 10:44:18 AM , Rating: 3
IF he pre-loaded games, then he's in a lot of trouble. Otherwise, I don't see the problem.

And - for your list - Impulse and Steam run some pretty good deals from time to time.


By wempa on 8/6/2009 1:47:23 PM , Rating: 4
No, Mitch101 is right. You don't even have to load pirated games onto the console. You can get busted if you load the software that bypasses the copy protection. I know this because I used to be heavily involved in the original Xbox mod scene. If you just install a blank mod chip or one with a legal BIOS on it, you are safe. As soon as you load the hacked BIOS (which also happens to contain copyrighted code), that is when you run into trouble. That violates the DMCA. People mod consoles legally by only installing the hardware since people are scared to do it themselves for fear of damaging something.


US law is a Joke.
By Captin Crunch on 8/6/2009 7:39:53 AM , Rating: 4
10 years for modding, lol. So if i upgrade my computer and sell at a profit is that like 5 years? or some other random number they can think of? The government needs to get a more proportionate penalty system, or just have some common sense!

quote:
According to Mr. Schoch 750,000 Americans lose their jobs a year due to piracy and $250B USD of the U.S. economy is lost


He didn't pirate any software, he didn't even steal the consoles, so he didn't cost M$ any lost revenue or lose any jobs. He in-directly facilitated someone else to pirate software which deserves a slap on the wrist and a fine. However, if you going to spend 10's of thousands of dollars, investigate a bit further and get the people at the top of the tree, not second from the bottom.

I think they raided the house hoping to find more than they did, but to justify the search warrant they have charged him with a big steaming pile of bullocks. Maybe the DCMA have realized they are of use to F@$ing no-one and are trying to justify their existence.




RE: US law is a Joke.
By Spivonious on 8/6/2009 10:26:21 AM , Rating: 1
Wait a minute...you're saying the people who sell pirated DVDs shoudl get a slap on the wrist, but the people who buy pirated DVDs should get jail time?

He did cost Microsoft money because they make money from every game sold.

Also, the DCMA is not a group, it's a law. "Digital Milennium Copyright Act"


RE: US law is a Joke.
By clovell on 8/6/2009 10:46:20 AM , Rating: 3
Bad analogy for my mind. Microsoft lost money from the people who pirated the games - not the ones who modded the console.


RE: US law is a Joke.
By DuctTapeAvenger on 8/6/2009 11:06:41 AM , Rating: 3
Offering a means to break the law and actually breaking the law are two different things. If you are selling pirated media, then you deserve to be punished. If you are selling a means to use your pirated media, that's another thing completely IMO. They may as well start going after stores that sell those cheapo DVD players that will play darn near anything you put in them. People could be bringing about the apocalypse by playing their burned copies of The Fast & The Furious!

Also, in a way he is costing Microsoft money in a different way. If he wasn't selling the systems pre-modded. Some kid would try and do it himself, and either grab the wrong end of the soldering iron, horribly disfiguring his hand, preventing him from ever playing a game again, or manage to kill the system during the install, which would make him buy a second, third, etc. depending on how fast a learner he is.


RE: US law is a Joke.
By Xerstead on 8/6/2009 1:55:17 PM , Rating: 2
With reference to the analogy; I think he meant that they should go after the people MAKING the pirated DVDs rather than going after the companies who make the DVD players.
quote:
He did cost Microsoft money...

You're assuming that every one who pirates software would have paid it otherwise, IMO most would not. Also, he is not making people use pirated games. As mentioned above there are many other reasons to remove the restrictions on the hardware. Take any PC manufacturer, it is possible to rip music and dvds on their hardware or run pirated software. Do we have the Feds kicking down the front door of Dell, HP etc. or Microsoft as their OS facilitates this 'criminal' activity.


Health, safety and you
By Griswold on 8/6/2009 3:02:29 AM , Rating: 2
Piracy, counterfeiting and other intellectual property rights violations not only cost U.S. businesses jobs and billions of dollars a year in lost revenue, they can also pose significant health and safety risks to consumers.

Health and safety risks? By that he can only mean the risk of having a SWAT team take down your door and lobbing flashbangs through your windows to nail one of the extremely dangerous modern day software-criminal-pirates.




RE: Health, safety and you
By segerstein on 8/6/2009 3:39:21 AM , Rating: 2
I was also wondering what this was supposed to mean.

Maybe if you can get games *@a_discount* then you play more of them. And this is bad for your health? And the mod chip could cause the console to burn (safety)?


RE: Health, safety and you
By FITCamaro on 8/6/2009 6:07:49 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah I was like WTF on that as well. Unless there's some underground mafia out there running drugs and killing people over modded consoles, I really don't see how it affects people's health or safety.

In the end I think this got taken a little far. I guess the police decided to make an example of this kid. Shit I had my apartment get raided in college for something unrelated and all my burned games and copies of Windows get confiscated. I got them back from the authorities without even a slap on the wrist.


RE: Health, safety and you
By MegaHustler on 8/6/2009 7:49:02 AM , Rating: 2
The agent must have been talking about counterfeiting and piracy in general - counterfeit electrical appliances can certainly be hazardous.


RE: Health, safety and you
By tmouse on 8/6/2009 9:02:36 AM , Rating: 2
The safety issue is probably referring to the possibility of potentially increasing the chance of fire or electrocution. Anyways the guy was stupid for apparently running a on line business complete with advertising for the purpose of allowing the systems to run pirated games. The raid was back in May so they spent a lot of time gathering evidence before filing charges. Since ICE is involved I'm willing to bet this is a bit more than one small time kid making some pocket change, maybe they are trying or failed to put enough pressure on him to roll over on a bigger operation. Don't get me wrong by and large the DCMA is really poor legislation and carries totally disproportionate penalties but there is probably more to this case than is currently available.


What?
By h0kiez on 8/6/2009 10:06:04 AM , Rating: 2
"revealed 12 pirated Xbox, Wii, and Playstation game consoles"

What is a pirated console?




RE: What?
By mofo3k on 8/6/2009 10:21:18 AM , Rating: 2
He must have jacked them from the back of a truck or something. Maybe he and a group of companions rented a scooner and set sail on the high seas. They came across large vessel traveling on a trade route. They raided that vessel and plundered it's belongings. Arrr, they made way to a deserted island and buried dar treasures. Only, this scallywag decided to doublecross his mates and claimed their wares as his own. WHOA, sorry there. Got a little carried away.

Maybe it's just poor reporting. Oh well.


RE: What?
By clovell on 8/6/2009 10:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
I lol'ed!


RE: What?
By Finnkc on 8/6/2009 10:23:00 AM , Rating: 2
avast!!! ... maybe he plundered the parts off other consoles and then constructed his pirated version ... yes ... that must be it.

the word "pirated" has become a new word for "illegal" ... so we have no more criminals just pirates.


RE: What?
By mofo3k on 8/6/2009 10:31:15 AM , Rating: 2
Actually now that I think about it, maybe he just slapped some Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom stickers and decals on them. Perhaps that's what they meant.


Ridiculous.
By CurseTheSky on 8/6/2009 4:47:14 AM , Rating: 5
He faces up to 10 years in prison, and yet I've seen cases where a person murders another and "only" lands 30-35 years. Don't get me wrong - that's a decent chunk of time, and I realize the sentence highly depends on the circumstances of the case - but to me that's like saying you're roughly 1/3 as bad of a person for modifying your gaming console as you are for killing another human being.

Slap him on the wrist, give him probation, and throw him back in the pool. We have bigger problems to worry about than what some kid is doing to his Xbox.




RE: Ridiculous.
By MegaHustler on 8/6/2009 7:47:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
He faces up to 10 years in prison, and yet I've seen cases where a person murders another and "only" lands 30-35 years.

Actually, here in Denmark and some other European countries, 10 years is about the norm for homicide...


RE: Ridiculous.
By mmntech on 8/6/2009 8:50:37 AM , Rating: 2
They definitely are going to have a difficult time proving how much money he lost. However, 10 years in prison for modding Xbox systems reeks of a Eighth violation. It's a misdemeanour at worst. Hopefully this goes to the Supreme Court as the DMCA has become a ridiculous farce.


Priorities
By ajfink on 8/6/2009 3:20:50 AM , Rating: 5
Now, let's think about this. Is this really how Americans want their tax dollars spent? Is it really what we want federal agents investigating? If there are federal agents sitting around twiddling their thumbs for lack of something to do, perhaps it's time to slim down that portion of the government and use the extra money to buy our freedom back from China.

A guy modded consoles for other people, for extra cash. Woopty-f***ing-doo.

DMCA - Your Government, Working for You!




RE: Priorities
By Regs on 8/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Priorities
By clovell on 8/6/2009 10:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
IP isn't infringed by modders. It is infringed by piracy. Big difference. The emulation wars highlighted the distinction.


RE: Priorities
By foolsgambit11 on 8/6/2009 1:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
And then the Napster-Kazaa-&c. wars washed all that highlighter from the page. Remember that? And what about the PS Emulators that couldn't come with the actual BIOS because of IP rights, so you'd have to get that yourself? The laws regarding IP in general, and the DMCA in particular, are pretty hazy still.

The question that will have to be answered in the case is the same one that was asked in the Napster case - was the primary intent of the product to facilitate illegal acts? In this case, it will come down to exactly which mods he did, what services he advertised, etc.

His actions very well could have been illegal. But at the end of the day, he better not get 10 years. I have a friend who, 10 years ago, stole a credit card from a mailbox and bought a few things with it. He got something like 30 days of community service, a year of probation, and a fine. Which sounds about right for petty crimes by people between the ages of 18 and 22.


Shouldn't it read?
By HDBanger on 8/6/2009 8:58:37 AM , Rating: 2
"Xbox Modding Could Earn Cal State "criminal" 10 Years of Hard Prison Time"

Yesterday the accused was a criminal, today he is a "student". I mean if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.....




RE: Shouldn't it read?
By xRyanCat on 8/6/2009 2:33:06 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't he have to be officially convicted or have past felonies to make him a "criminal?" Or are you a criminal at the point of indictment/arrest in US law?

Serious question.


RE: Shouldn't it read?
By Gingivitis on 8/6/2009 3:41:55 PM , Rating: 2
lol from what ive seen in the US it appears everyone is Guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around like they claim. Since 9/11 every american whether its a man woman or child is a suspect and is guilty of something.


EA should be charged as well
By mofo3k on 8/6/2009 10:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
If all this guy did was make it possible for others to pirate software, then I'm calling shenanigans on Electronic Arts.

I *cough* have a friend *cough* who bought and used a copy of a 007 game for his original XBOX for the sole purpose of loading a SoftMod. Sure my friend may have just used as a cheap Media Center pc, but nonetheless, he had the ability to load pirated software.

This would not have been possible without the assistance of that 007 game, so EA should be charged as well. And to any federal agents that may be monitoring this message, you're welcome!




RE: EA should be charged as well
By Renski on 8/6/2009 5:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
Add Nintendo for releasing Zelda Twilight Princess to that list.... xD


750,000 Jobs Lost
By btc909 on 8/6/2009 10:17:50 AM , Rating: 2
I was mislead by the media. I was under the impression the "let’s give a loan to anyone who makes up an income at a temporary interest rate to qualifying purchasing a home" was the reason why the ecomony went to crap. No it's young adults modding Xbox's costing 750,000 jobs a year. Now I know why I'm unemployed.




RE: 750,000 Jobs Lost
By Gingivitis on 8/6/2009 3:44:43 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the outsourcing. I bet you more people lose jobs to outsourcing then piracy. Piracy steals a measily 60$ from someones pocket when its an xbox game, stealing jobs and moving them to other countries takes away thousands of revenue that your economy could use. Thanks America for making the world work backwards.


Outraged.
By clovell on 8/6/2009 10:34:41 AM , Rating: 1
This is absolute garbage. As a former webmaster for a small 16-bit & under emulation ring (NES, SNES, Gameboy, Genesis), I find this outrageous. This guy is modifying stuff he owns - and we're not talking about catalytic converters or anything of the sort.

We're talking about Xboxes. Modifying hardware and emulators is not piracy. It is a legitimate hobby and exercise over one's own personal property that has no effect on others. If a person chooses, after getting a mod chip, to play pirated games, that's their mess (and they should be prosecuted for it).

Nintendo didn't shut down the Wonderful World of Emulation almost a decade ago because they had emulators. They shut them down because they distributed ROMs. Writing emulators isn't so different from unlocking iPhones, or modding your Xbox or PS3 - I just fail to see any rationale behind arresting a man on federal charges for tweaking with entertainment consoles in his basement.

So, finally - and this is very important, so i want say it as clearly as I can:
FUCK. THAT. SHIT.

http://www.xkcd.com/137/




RE: Outraged.
By Renski on 8/6/2009 5:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
Amen to that... What has this country come to?

Where are they days when you could:

1)Do anything under the hood of your car?
2)Record your favorite show on beta or VHS?
3)Simply copy your favorite game simply by typing copy a: b: *.*

These are examples of my experience growing up without worrying about Federal Agents knocking at my door.

Does that mean just because I am technical to be able to due these type of things I can arrested for that? What a bunch of BS and corporate greed.


Excellent News!
By oldscotch on 8/6/2009 8:54:15 AM , Rating: 2
Now I can report all the damned Civics with aftermarket mufflers to the police!




The irony
By jojo29 on 8/6/2009 11:45:40 AM , Rating: 2
In other news, while this raid team were too busy raiding a kid who "modded his xbox", millions of dollars worth of drugs were smuggled into the country...without so much of a police officer noticing...some poor 711 got knocked up...where was the raid team?..some corporate VP is busy embezzling BILLIONS of dollars...where was the raid team?




Meanwhile....
By EasyC on 8/6/2009 12:17:24 PM , Rating: 2
Celebrities who DUI and beat women get off with minimal 'slap-on-the-wrist' sentences. Makes me sick everytime I hear a celebrity get sentenced and what the outcome is.




Wish
By fic2 on 8/6/2009 12:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
Wish I was on the jury. I see this as a case for jury nullification.




LoL
By Gingivitis on 8/6/2009 3:02:20 PM , Rating: 2
First off the article heading is some what deceiving because you make it sound like he just modded his own system and got caught when the article clearly states that he uses piracy for personal financial gains. Thats a little more serious of an offense then just modding your own xbox for personal enjoyment. And I don't support pirating for personal financial gains.

I have no sympathy to companies losing money to piracy. Yah its illegal blah blah but in the big picture big corporations who gave us the software / hardware to continue on with piracy are to blame. Since tape to tape recording before Cd's were the big thing piracy has been around. Its never going to be stopped no matter how much you police it or enforce it. Piracy is like marijuana its every where, tons of people that you don't think do it actually do do it, its easily accessible and is really just wasting time and resources trying to fight it. But of course the american mentality is always protect the big corporations and let them get richer while screwing you out of every possible penny you make.




Microsoft is evil.
By finetsky on 8/6/2009 3:20:19 PM , Rating: 2
If Microsoft allow this rediculous case happend than It is evil company as It actually showed many times before. Remember that this guy may have created something revolutionary you might be happy to have. This way first computers were created. Imagine you lock Stewe Wozniak ( Mac computer creator ) to prison for modifing hardware. Common people! What is wrong with you out there in US. Fight that ridiculus corporation slavery you got into. Where is your freedom and where is your constitution? Unfortunatally It is long gonne. I will not buy MS product after this any more. Fk'em!




By BZDTemp on 8/6/2009 4:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, boy am I happy to live in what many people here call a socialist country :-)

Our taxes may be high but we do not have 0.7% of our population in jail and in fact we make due with 0.07% of our people.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-...




Jury Duty
By thatsiebguy on 8/6/2009 8:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
And we all know they will pad the jury box with people who know nothing about technology so the lawyers can beat them with fake numbers. Then once they win, they will make a poster child out of their victim, er, I mean "victory".




Poor choice of wording...
By aj28 on 8/7/2009 12:31:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
On Monday federal agents arrested a Cal State student for modifying his Xbox.


Negatory. He was arrested for modifying and reselling Xbox consoles illegally. Yes, that is illegal. Yes, modding consoles is different than modding cars. Do I think it's fair? No, but pegging this guy as your average Joe Techie is more than a little sketch.

If he had 12 modded ones on-hand in his apartment, I wonder how many consoles total, and how many he was reported to have sold over the course of the investigation? There's no way they followed the guy for as long as they did if it was some paltry number.




!@#$ gangs
By ggordonliddy on 8/9/2009 8:41:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mr. Crippen

We need to keep these Crips and Bloods out of our Internetubes.




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