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April 15 is the last day gamers playing the original Xbox can play online

Microsoft has been in the gaming business for a long time with peripherals, game development, and consoles including the Xbox and Xbox 360. One of the best aspects of the Xbox 360 and the original Xbox for users was the online gaming service called Xbox Live.

Microsoft has made an announcement today that many Xbox gamers who enjoy original Xbox titles on either the Xbox 360 or the original console will not like. Starting on April 15 the Xbox Live service for the original Xbox console and original Xbox games will be discontinued.

The discontinuation of service will also include service for original Xbox games that are playable on the Xbox 360. Marc Whitten says that the decision wasn't made lightly, but is for the benefit of the entire Xbox Live community.

Whitten wrote in a blog post, "On April 15 we will discontinue the Xbox LIVE service for original Xbox consoles and games, including Xbox v1 games playable on Xbox 360 and Xbox Originals. I want to start by saying this isn’t a decision we made lightly, but after careful consideration, it is clear this will provide the greatest benefit to the Xbox LIVE community."

The reason for the discontinuation of Xbox Live service for the original games and console is cited as one of compatibility. Changes need to be made to the Xbox Live service to support future goals for the platform that aren’t supported by early hardware and games.

Whitten wrote, "Your Xbox LIVE community has grown to 23 million strong. And as we look down the road, we’ll continue to evolve the service with features and experiences that harness the full power of Xbox 360. To reach our aspiration, we need to make changes to the service that are incompatible with our original Xbox v1 games. We will contact the Xbox LIVE members directly impacted by this change and if this includes you, I encourage you to check your LIVE messages and associated e-mail account over the coming weeks for more details and opportunities. We view you as a partner in this process."

Gamers who are affected by the changes will be contacted via email accounts associated with their Xbox Live accounts and via Live messages. The messages will share more details on the change and offer opportunities. Exactly what those opportunities are is unknown. This announcement isn't as big a deal as the mass bans that took place on the Live service, but some Xbox gamers will be unhappy.


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I suppose it was inevitable...
By Enigmatic on 2/5/2010 9:15:57 AM , Rating: 2
...But I know a few people who still game on some original Xbox games and I'm sure they're a ton more out there. It was bound to happen sooner or later, but there will nonetheless be a lot of angry people.




RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By Ristogod on 2/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By jojo29 on 2/5/10, Rating: -1
RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By jmke on 2/5/2010 9:35:27 AM , Rating: 2
you're paying to have dedicated servers to play one today. You don't pay now to have dedicated servers next year.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By Iaiken on 2/5/2010 10:27:46 AM , Rating: 2
No you're not...

Very few xbox/360 games actually use dedicated servers. What's more, in all of the cases where they do, it is because of a commitment by the developer to take that route. Many of these developers have to pay out of their own pocket in order to provide dedicated servers because Microsoft won't let them create community hosted dedicated servers for fear of mods/hacks/cheaters.

So far, the only developers even bothering with dedicated servers are the folks over at Valve, Dice, SouthPeak and a few others. The rest pretty much all use peer hosting because it is cheaper and the mindless masses won't even notice anyway.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By StevoLincolnite on 2/5/2010 11:13:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So far, the only developers even bothering with dedicated servers are the folks over at Valve, Dice, SouthPeak and a few others. The rest pretty much all use peer hosting because it is cheaper and the mindless masses won't even notice anyway.


I prefer P2P, gives me more of a chance to be matched up with people in my own country with decent latency instead of a server half way across the planet with pings of 200-300ms (Like Battlefield 1943).

In such a case P2P is a more economical (And faster) way to go than to drop servers in every country on the planet the game was released in.

Still there is a heck-of-allot of content on Xbox Live! Like Demo's, Arcade/Full version games, Movies, Music, Expansion Packs, Map Packs and other Addons for all your games and entertainment needs that Microsoft has to pay the bandwidth bills for.


By captainBOB on 2/6/2010 2:24:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In such a case P2P is a more economical (And faster) way to go than to drop servers in every country on the planet the game was released in


Yeah, because Modern Warfare 2's P2P connections are sooo fast. Being disconnected for no reason at all is what I definitely pay for, and when I leave a match for another I really want to end up in the same match I just left. /sarcasm

P2P gaming is cheap, but has major flaws, one being that you are at the mercy of the host's connection, and half the time it was crap (Try playing at 1am, where most hosts are from Europe). Not every peer has satisfactory bandwidth, but at least every server can. And no, you don't 'drop' a server in every country, you have them in regions where the most players are connecting from, namely the US, UK, Asia, etc... Africa doesn't need as many :)

On another note, MW2 is the epitome of server fail. I've never seen so many hacks that modified a match on XBL.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By Maiyr on 2/5/2010 10:36:31 AM , Rating: 2
So by your logic anyone paying for any service, lets say cable, would have been for nothing if the cable company suddenly shutdown. Somehow all the shows you watched while it was in business weren't worth it ? Somehow all the game time folks were able to put in while the XBOX Live service was available wasn't worth it ? For one thing the service is so insanely cheap I don't know how anyone could complain about anything they did with it. People paid, they played, the service will end, they will not pay anymore. I mean this is so simple !


By Hiawa23 on 2/5/2010 10:51:10 AM , Rating: 2
So by your logic anyone paying for any service, lets say cable, would have been for nothing if the cable company suddenly shutdown. Somehow all the shows you watched while it was in business weren't worth it ? Somehow all the game time folks were able to put in while the XBOX Live service was available wasn't worth it ? For one thing the service is so insanely cheap I don't know how anyone could complain about anything they did with it. People paid, they played, the service will end, they will not pay anymore. I mean this is so simple !

I agree. His logic did not add up to me. All of a sudden all the good times you had with the console isn't just wiped away. I have owned an Xbox1 since day 1, been a Live member since day 1, & I don't consider all the time I logged on worth nothing, especially given it was my favorite console last gen, as the PS2 sucked for online play.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By DtTall on 2/5/2010 11:43:12 AM , Rating: 4
I could see how someone who purchased the digital version of an original Xbox game via LIVE would feel slightly ripped off here. I mean, it wasn't that long they introduced them to LIVE and to not build in support for the next generation of LIVE support seems a little sketchy.

Not saying that the money they paid for LIVE subscription was a ripoff, just the digital games.


By osalcido on 2/7/2010 1:39:23 AM , Rating: 1
Dont be f**king retarded

If you have 5 people paying 40 bucks a year.. that don't even cover the cost of electricity to run any type of server

It's called progress you fugging moron.


By Hiawa23 on 2/5/2010 10:26:05 AM , Rating: 2
Got a 360, & Gold membership, my Xbox1 is still hooked up in my bedroom, although not online. You had to know this would come. Of course MS wants you to pay like every other company who is in business to make money. This comes as no surprise to me. It's about time they finally put the Xbox1 to bed.


By Hiawa23 on 2/5/2010 10:33:20 AM , Rating: 2
might have something to do with Natal, or they just need to concentrate on making LIVE better for the 360. The Xbox is the past. I had mine since day 1 still play it. Atleast the Xbox1 crowd has until April to enjoy it, but the 360 is their cow not the Xbox1. I don't have an issue with this as I don't play any Xbox 1 games online on the Xbox or 360, & if you do have an issue with it, that doesn't even matter wither as they are moving forward, either move with em or, well, there is Nintendo & Sony. It is what it is. All my friends moved on to the 360 back in 2005, anyways.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By Drag0nFire on 2/5/2010 11:33:25 AM , Rating: 3
Eh, I don't think it was inevitable. BattleNet still works fine for anyone looking to play StarCraft or DiabloII games online. And that's >10 years after release. This didn't stop Blizzard from moving to newer and greater things (WoW)...


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By BigPeen on 2/5/2010 1:06:13 PM , Rating: 2
Bingo. I paid what....$0 a month for years to play various C&C's, WC3, Diablo II, etc. I can still play all of those anytime I want, 15 years later in some cases. What a joke console gaming continues to be.


By tastyratz on 2/5/2010 1:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
agreed.
That's the problem I have with consoles not having p2p server hosting support. Many games and consoles come and go but classic games are here to stay. I still fire up duke3d or doom from time to time or get a little commander keen going on. Given the online support for something like Starcraft I would be heartbroken if you couldn't play anymore. If anything they could significantly reduce server load by utilizing a form of dht. I like that consoles are cheat free now but VAC and similar on the computer seem to be doing a mighty fine job on that front to really help cut down on it.
At the very least determine a promised support schedule and allow support for a fallback structure so developers can host their own servers FOR FREE after MS drops support.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By vcolon on 2/6/2010 9:17:35 AM , Rating: 4
More like, how foolish people continue to be. Buying into this console nonsense. Consoles have been one major reason why PC gaming hasn't advanced to the level it should. Years later we are still seeing the majority of games developed in DX9 while DX11 hardware had been out there since last year. This is obviously because game developers are shackled by those damn consoles. Shame on you if you call yourself a hardcore gamer and worship the console.


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By jojo29 on 2/8/2010 9:45:55 AM , Rating: 2
To all you people who marked me down, Bigpeen has it right with this comment...$0 a month to play WC/Diablo/C&C YEARS, YEAARS later, and i can play them ANYTIME I WANT TO...go ahead, continue to pay for a service that rips its customers off, at least Sony/Nintendo's online gaming is free :)


RE: I suppose it was inevitable...
By Smilin on 2/8/2010 11:01:54 AM , Rating: 2
Actually yes it did stop them. You just haven't seen it yet.

As of right now the new Battle.net that will be out to support SC2 and Diable3 is not compatible with older titles. They hope to add support "in the future"


umm..
By omnicronx on 2/5/2010 9:46:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The reason for the discontinuation of Xbox Live service for the original games and console is cited as one of compatibility. Changes need to be made to the Xbox Live service to support future goals for the platform that aren’t supported by early hardware and games.
I'm really confused here.. Why can't they just keep another set of servers and not 'upgrade the service' and just leave it as is? I think its just a few years too early to be shutting down that service for a giant company like Microsoft.




RE: umm..
By Lord 666 on 2/5/10, Rating: 0
RE: umm..
By omnicronx on 2/6/2010 2:43:04 AM , Rating: 2
Its not going to be a new platform.. MS has already flat out denied that, its just an addon for the 360.(and there will most likely also be a new version that comes with it included)


RE: umm..
By Smilin on 2/5/2010 4:38:03 PM , Rating: 1
Tell you what...you just go ahead and write them a check to cover the costs of a whole second XBOX Live server farm.

What does microsoft gain by making such an investment? Nothing. Or more accurately: they provide a reason for people not to buy their newer product. Not a good business decision.

Holding off on an upgrade isn't an option either. There are a lot of limitations inherent in the original XBox and to move forward they'll need to break compatibility. The 100 buddy limit for example is a problem with the original XBox.


RE: umm..
By BigPeen on 2/5/2010 7:09:04 PM , Rating: 3
They also provide a reason not to buy their newer products because they won't adequately support it. Which is why I have never bought and xbox product and probably never will. I prefer to support companies that care about their consumers and understand the fact that it's in everyone's interest to treat their customers well.


RE: umm..
By Smilin on 2/8/2010 10:44:22 AM , Rating: 2
When they finish cutting off service the original XBox will be 10 years old. *10 years old*.

What do you consider "adequate"? 20 years? 30?

Besides if you have never purchased an Xbox WTF does your opinion count for here troll?


RE: umm..
By omnicronx on 2/6/2010 2:36:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tell you what...you just go ahead and write them a check to cover the costs
I did, its called buying an xbox and games and paying for xbox live service.
quote:
What does microsoft gain by making such an investment? Or more accurately: they provide a reason for people not to buy their newer product. Not a good business decision.
In your opinion perhaps. It could just as easily force legacy users to upgrade to 360's.

I'm not saying hold off the upgrades, I'm saying the worlds largest software company shouldn't have a problem supporting the original xbox live platform as is for another few years.


RE: umm..
By Smilin on 2/8/2010 10:50:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I did, its called buying an xbox and games and paying for xbox live service.


..and your money has gotten you years of xbox live. Now if any progress is to be made Microsoft will have to build an entirely new server farm for "xbox live classic" to continue to support the incompatible old models. This is going to cost more money so whip that checkbook out.

How many "another few years" do you want? The xbox will be 10 years old by the time this goes into effect. It's *expensive* to support old products.

Everyone just wants to have their cake while they eat it.


XBOX Lives on
By Mitch101 on 2/5/2010 9:20:45 AM , Rating: 2
At Microsoft my original may be dead but my X-box lives on through XBMC and as a Retro Game Player for the kids and the big kids. I can honestly say this got the most use of any console I have ever owned mainly because of the work done by XBMC.

If Microsoft doesn't drop the stupid requirement of Gold membership for Netflix then I will be purchasing a PS3. I see it as a $40.00 discount to purchase a PS3.




RE: XBOX Lives on
By ExarKun333 on 2/5/10, Rating: 0
RE: XBOX Lives on
By supergarr on 2/5/2010 12:05:25 PM , Rating: 2
Only for their "premium" stuff. They are not charging for normal online play.


Yes! Original banned
By rbfowler9lfc on 2/8/2010 9:42:28 AM , Rating: 4
Yes!!! Original console banned, now only pirate and counterfeit consoles work!




Move on people....
By Freezebyte on 2/5/2010 4:12:05 PM , Rating: 2
Original Xbox live service been up and running for nearly 8 years since its inception, thats pretty damn impressive for a new online service with no prior history. How many other online services are still running after that amount of time? The new 360 live service has been operational since late 05, so pony up for a 360 already or go play a Wii if your that strapped for cash.




RE: Move on people....
By BigPeen on 2/5/2010 7:12:24 PM , Rating: 2
Uhhh, its not about getting a free service, it's about being able to play the old games online if you want to. Also Command and conquer, 15 years, Wacraft 2 and 3, starcraft, counterstrike, etc. All much longer than 8 years and still going! Oh ya, and they can't just disconnect your service for any random reason, and THEY'RE FREE (the online play that is) Xbox live is pathetic. Always has, always will.


RE: Move on people....
By Freezebyte on 2/5/10, Rating: -1
lol
By Soldier1969 on 2/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: lol
By MindParadox on 2/6/2010 10:07:29 AM , Rating: 3
wait, you must be talking about the PS3, you know, where nearly all games are 720p? check again stupid, most of the games youll find on both consoles are full 1080p for xbox, and only 720p for PS3

get yer facts straight


backwards compatible
By supergarr on 2/5/2010 12:02:45 PM , Rating: 2
So i guess when they upgrade the Live system there is no way to make it backwards compatible? I find that a little fishy.




At Least There Is Xlink Kai and XBC
By wempa on 2/5/2010 12:15:11 PM , Rating: 2
For games that support "system link", the original Xbox works great with Xlink Kai and XBC. That gaming can continue using those tools. It's not XBL, but anybody who still wants to play online can do so.




At least I can still play on my
By Sazar on 2/5/2010 5:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox?

quote:
One of the best aspects of the Xbox 360 and the original Xbox for users was the online gaming service called Xbox .


Some typo's are just daft, but this one got a nice chuckle out of me. :)




By greylica on 2/5/2010 9:00:25 PM , Rating: 2
A new Anti-Virus for Xbox. (60 day trial)
Some Wall Papers. (Subject to 'XGA''Advantage Notification')
Free Pac-Man and Tetris Games... Including the new ''Pipe Dream''




For all you online payment whiners and $!#*$ers
By Freezebyte on 2/5/10, Rating: -1
By ClownPuncher on 2/5/2010 7:50:00 PM , Rating: 5
Did your keyboard make a whimpering noise while you were RAGEtyping?


By rmclean816 on 2/5/2010 11:07:00 PM , Rating: 3
And had sex with your own mom. burned


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