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Microsoft makes it clear that its new console has no home with folks with unreliable connections

Gamers are in an uproar about Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) new "always-on" digital rights management (DRM) scheme, which requires the console "phone home" via your internet connection on a daily basis.  

Many gamers were outraged.  What if local construction or service provider difficulties knocked out your connection for a couple weeks?  What if you lived in a region like Alaska or the Rockies that had power, but had slow (or no) internet?  What if you were a service person serving overseas?  Microsoft's requirement was unprecedented and rubbed many gamers the wrong way.

Microsoft Xbox (Interactive Entertainment division) President Don Mattrick says he's sorry for gamers who don't have the internet and hence are not entitled to an Xbox One.


He's asked by GameTrailer's Geoff Keighley about the controversial DRM strategy.  Mr. Mattrick comments:

Some of the advantages that you get, of having, a box that is designed to use an online state, so, that, uh, to me is the future-proof choice, and I think people, could've arguably gone the other way if we didn't do it and fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360.

[I]f you have zero [or unreliable] access to the internet, that is an offline device, I mean, seriously, when I read the blogs, and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said 'hey, I'm on a nuclear sub,' and I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub but I've gotta imagine it's not easy to get an internet connection.

But lest you think he's unsympathetic he comments, "Hey, I can empathize, if I was on a nuclear sub, I'd be disappointed."

It seems the Microsoft Xbox comments sound remarkably similar to those of former Xbox Creative Director Adam Orth, who was fired for debating with gamers about their ability to play offline.  In light of Microsoft's willingness to put forth a relatively flagrant face on the issue, it's somewhat baffling why Mr. Orth was fired for following the party line.

Xbox One
Faulty internet == No Xbox One for you!

But for better or worse Microsoft's policy for anyone who doesn't have 100 percent reliable, speedy internet is this: don't buy an Xbox One.

Microsoft says you should buy an Xbox 360 instead.  Of course, you could always buy a nice gaming PC, a Sony Corp. (TYO:6758) PlayStation 4 ($100 cheaper than an Xbox One), or Nintendo Comp., Ltd.'s (TYO:7974) tablet-equipped Wii U console ($150 cheaper than an Xbox One).

Source: GameTrailers on YouTube



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WTH
By Rage187 on 6/12/2013 10:11:00 AM , Rating: 5
It is like they are purposely trying to make their console fail. This has to be intentional at this point.




RE: WTH
By lagomorpha on 6/12/2013 10:17:40 AM , Rating: 5
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance.

Yes they probably really are that stupid.


RE: WTH
By StevoLincolnite on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By StevoLincolnite on 6/12/2013 10:51:52 AM , Rating: 5
Heck, they basically killed the idea of hanging onto the console for decades as they will inevitably kill the online service for the machine eventually.

Nothing like pulling out the old Mega Drive or SNES and doing a bit of retro gaming.


RE: WTH
By Argon18 on 6/12/2013 2:51:20 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly. Xbox One isn't a gaming console like SNES or Genesis. Xbox One is a gaming *service*. A service which requires a $499 piece of hardware to access. No thanks!!


RE: WTH
By lagomorpha on 6/13/2013 7:11:40 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Xbox One isn't a gaming console like SNES or Genesis. Xbox One is a gaming *service*.


They should have subsidized it like cell phones. Free to purchase with a 2 year contract of $80/month. :O


RE: WTH
By coolkev99 on 6/13/2013 7:30:35 AM , Rating: 3
They would LOVE this. Don't you all see this is where they want to go? MS would love nothing more than to charge you all $20/Month for an XBOX + LIVE service. Subscription models is where everything is going... everything a "service".

You would have NO control, and they would own everything.

Don't buy the XBOX ONE!!!!


RE: WTH
By nafhan on 6/13/2013 8:58:32 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're joking, but considering they did this with the 360 (although, I don't think it was a popular option), it seems likely that they'll do it again with the One.


RE: WTH
By Argon18 on 6/12/2013 2:55:30 PM , Rating: 2
The other differentiator is buried in the fine print. With a SNES, you bought a copy of the game. Period. That copy is yours to dispose of as you please, lend it, sell it, etc.

With Xbox One, you aren't buying any games. You are buying LTU's. License To Use. You are paying for a license to access the services. Kind of like Netflix.


RE: WTH
By polishvendetta on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: WTH
By bighairycamel on 6/12/2013 8:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
Because someone that has internet now means they'll have an inseverable connection for the rest of their mortal lives?

I moved once... took the cable company 2 weeks to send a tech out to install cause they had to run new underground lines. Moments like that are when consoles are best. Without internet or TV gaming was the most enjoyable use of my free time. Too bad I didn't have an XBone back then to use as a decorative table piece.


RE: WTH
By mcnabney on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: WTH
By inighthawki on 6/12/2013 9:44:40 PM , Rating: 2
Good for you. To some people a mere $5 or $10 can be a lot money to just up and waste.

God forbid a company tries to treat its consumers kindly.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 11:28:15 AM , Rating: 1
I hope it does.

With any luck there will be a massive class-action lawsuit the moment that XBOs get into consumer hands over their interference in the 2nd hand market. But if (when?) the MS network service goes down...and no one, possibly worldwide, can use their console? Yeah.

BTW...still have an N64 around here. And a Genesis. Fun every once in a while to whip them out and do some retro gaming. How long do you honestly think MS is going to keep network services for XBO running? And once they shut the lights out, all the money you spent on that platform is just gone.

Morons.


RE: WTH
By Mitch101 on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By PresidentThomasJefferson on 6/12/2013 12:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
difference is Steam allows you OFF-LINE play for about 1 month before checking in.. you can also download off-line executables that allow you to play Steam games completely offline

with Xbox 1, you can ONLY PLAY FOR 24 HRs OFF-LINE (or 1 hr off-line if not on your home console)

Xbox 1 also only has 16 ROPs rendering pipelines like a 7790 radeon & 768 shaders vs. PS4's 32 ROPs rendering pipelines & 1152 shaders & 50% greater TGlops 1.84 performance (ala Radeon 7850-7870) with

PS4 has 8 GB DDR5 (7 GB ram usable for games, 1 GB reserved for operating system)
vs
Xbox1 ONLY has 5 GB of usable DDR3 ram (3 GB ram is reserved for the operating system/TV functionality)


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 12:21:41 PM , Rating: 2
what Mitch is saying is that it's your choice to buy whatever best fits you.
MS didn't take anything from you and they are nowhere near a monopoly in this market. It is also not a necessity like Windows.

Yes we all know the PS4 is technically superior by spec.


RE: WTH
By tdktank59 on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By polishvendetta on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By nikon133 on 6/12/2013 4:19:58 PM , Rating: 2
MGS is not XBO exclusive.

Anyway, PS had (and will have) good exclusive franchises as well - Uncharted, God of War, Killzone, Resistance, Infamous, Ratchet, GT... Drive Club looks promising, as well as Kingdom Hearts (not sure if that one is exclusive tho').

End of the day, it does not sound as bad idea to swap platform now and then. How many games from same franchise can one play before it becomes stale? I'm struggling a bit with latest Assassin game - even with new hero and new historic period, it is still much of same old running the roofs and stabbing people from above.


RE: WTH
By inighthawki on 6/12/2013 8:59:01 PM , Rating: 2
You're right, we should start class action lawsuits for every console we don't like because they have exclusives and that "took the experience away from me"


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 12:23:12 PM , Rating: 5
Also, because Americans already have no rights for digital content (unlike Europeans, whose courts have guaranteed them the same First-Sale rights for digital content as for physical product), the Steam game is already lost.

We already lost those rights. And now the morons want to give up their rights for physical product too.

The idiocy is incredible.


RE: WTH
By Mitch101 on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By DiscoWade on 6/12/2013 12:54:41 PM , Rating: 4
That explains it. Microsoft is confusing tools yet again.
quote:
purely digital game marketplaces like the iOS App Store have thrived despite having absolutely no physical media.


A video game console IS NOT A TABLET COMPUTER ! A desktop or laptop computer IS NOT A TABLET COMPUTER ! Stop trying to make everything like a tablet. You don't put a screw in with a hammer, yet that is essentially what Microsoft is trying to do. Microsoft is forgetting different tools have different purposes.


RE: WTH
By Xplorer4x4 on 6/12/2013 11:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
Putting an app store in makes it a tablet? Interesting..people want digital content delivered to them via the console. Essentially this is not much different then the XBLA.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 12:21:23 PM , Rating: 5
Your ignorance is astounding.

I don't give a sh1t about owning *any* console. What I care about is basic, fundamental consumer rights being abdicated by morons like you.

YOU are responsible for that happening. I'm trying to make sure people who aren't abject retards are aware of the implications of what MS is doing. Because once it starts in earnest, I can guarantee it's not going to be just video games.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 12:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
They haven't done it yet so it hasn't happened. When they do, there'll be plenty of lawyers that will take a class action lawsuit for you to sue MS. You have a good point but action is louder than words.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 12:30:24 PM , Rating: 5
You are right - action is louder than words.

The action I'm trying to get people to take is to not buy the XBO.

It's very simple - buying an XBO tells the entire entertainment industry that you are happy to abdicate your consumer rights.

Refusing to buy an XBO does not send that message.

Ergo, it's crucially important that XBO sales be horrifically bad, so that the message isn't given to industry that we don't care about our rights as consumers.


RE: WTH
By polishvendetta on 6/12/2013 3:57:35 PM , Rating: 1
You guys do realize Sony and their PSN disaster started a precedent for manufacturers to put in "i promise not to be a part of a class action lawsuit" in most EULAs


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 4:22:43 PM , Rating: 2
They didn't start it. That started well before then. But I would think that has as much weight in court as other shrinkwrap contract talk. Which is...none.


RE: WTH
By Digimonkey on 6/12/2013 6:46:06 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it's called a waiver. It does hold up or else we'd just get rid of the concept in law.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 7:41:31 PM , Rating: 3
No, I can assure you it doesn't matter. In software or anything else.

Case in point: I am an avid motorcycle racer, and donate large amounts of my time as a volunteer in motorcycle clubs and sanctioning bodies.

We have everyone who comes to the gate sign a waiver. We have them sign it again at rider registration. If the racer is a minor, we have mom & dad fill out and sign yet another waiver.

Court cases happen all the time. The courts barely even blink at those things. You have to do them, as a race operator...if for no other reason than because your insurance company forces you do. But do they do any good in court?

No...not really.


RE: WTH
By p05esto on 6/12/2013 1:13:38 PM , Rating: 1
You are clueless. We are the consumers. If we dont' like it then we won't buy it and xBox goes AWAY. So, yea... it's TOTALLY up to us, 100%. If MS doesn't listen then the xBox flops. Period.


RE: WTH
By Kiffberet on 6/13/2013 8:49:10 AM , Rating: 2
Hey Motoman , tell me again about your consumer rights - I didn't understand it from your last 100 posts ;-)


RE: WTH
By wempa on 6/13/2013 3:46:12 PM , Rating: 2

Good. Maybe by the 1000th time those brain-damaged enough to buy into this system might actually understand the consequences of their actions.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/13/2013 4:47:58 PM , Rating: 2
Not likely. Look at everyone all around us just begging to lose their rights, claiming that they don't care...utterly incapable of thinking ahead and seeing what that precedent will do for vast swaths of our economy.

We're swimming in an ocean of stupid.


RE: WTH
By Kiffberet on 6/13/2013 8:44:48 AM , Rating: 1
He's telling it like it is.

But you'll still get fcuk wits who buy the BXO and then b1tch and moan when they can't use it, 'cause they live in a hut in the sticks with no internet conection.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/13/2013 10:44:28 AM , Rating: 2
Or, they're rich as f%ck compared to you, and own huge custom-built houses on a 100 acres of land in their own private country paradise. Where there's no DSL or cable.

Which is pretty much everyone I know. Country dwellers around here probably make several times what you, or the average DT reader, makes.

People live out in the country because they can afford to - and you can't.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/13/2013 12:16:03 PM , Rating: 2
When I lived out in the country, making 60k a year allowed me to buy 5+ acres with a 2500+ sqft home brand new custom built for $250k. Apartments were all under 1k/month for a nice 1200 squft brand new.

Now making ~100k, I can only afford a small apartment in DC and it cost 2.2-3.5k/month.

The general trend is the further away from the cities, the cheaper it gets. That's not saying anything about what people actually make. This statement you made
quote:
People live out in the country because they can afford to - and you can't.

is not true


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/13/2013 12:21:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, and you're making $100k/year. Which, I'm going to guess, is vastly higher than the average DT reader.


RE: WTH
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 10:45:50 AM , Rating: 5
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance. Yes they probably really are that stupid."

You, totally true. MS often seems to put absolutely zero thought into the actual user and what they actually do and experience. That Sony video mockingly showing how easy it is to share a game (guy hands game disk to other guy and other guy looks at camera and says "thanks") really hits home for alot of people. There is no reason it should be any more difficult than that. Step one - done.


RE: WTH
By polishvendetta on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 6:50:24 PM , Rating: 2
Your resorting to reductio ad absurdum doesnt really make your point. Using just kind of shows you have no point.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 7:43:10 PM , Rating: 3
No one is scared by new technologies. Not that anything the XBO is doing is new, technology-wise.

But abdicating your rights as an American citizen under the First-Sale Doctrine? Yes - that is scary as hell. But what's even scarier is the retards who aren't hesitating to do it.


RE: WTH
By Ammohunt on 6/12/2013 8:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
Good point example: Windows 8 no apparent market research at all. Just arrogant assumption on what the consumer wants. They pay with decreased revenue and increased uptake of alternatives.


RE: WTH
By BrgMx5 on 6/12/2013 10:46:39 AM , Rating: 2
I thought, in the beginning, they were spreading rumors just to test consumer sentiment on the issue. I was obviously wrong.

I am quite happy with my 360, i've been a live gold subscriber since de 360 launch, and spent about $3.000,00 since then with the consoles, xbox live, accessories and games.

Was considering buying the xbox one, but not anymore.

It´s not just the always online thing (have a reliable connection), and used games (never bought one), it´s the attitude.

But hey it's my $ and they won't see a penny from me.

Probably will sign off live in November and buy a PS4


RE: WTH
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 10:49:03 AM , Rating: 2
"I thought, in the beginning, they were spreading rumors just to test consumer sentiment on the issue. I was obviously wrong."

That is exactly what I thought. Its still not too late. I have a feeling if the backlash is too hot, they will change it by the time its released. One firmware update and it's like it never happened.


RE: WTH
By Lord 666 on 6/12/2013 11:46:26 AM , Rating: 2
Just like Windows 8.1, right?


RE: WTH
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 1:37:53 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... I would imagine the used game thing would be an easy ROM and network update, not like a whole OS, but yes, like that ;)


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 12:31:18 PM , Rating: 1
You're not the only one. I'm currently on xbox360 #4 due to RROD or DVD issues. Sure 2 of them were covered by warranty but it's just too unreliable. I don't even play it anymore besides using it for netflix.

I will probably buy a PS4 as $400 is pretty affordable. I could also drop my BD player and save clutter.

My reasons are pretty simple. I have a sour taste in my mouth from win8 and 360. I don't even care about used game DRM or always on BS. Their bad management and bullying tactics on customers will not have my money.

I've tried for years to find a suitable replacement for Windows and Office but still haven't found it. The best one was from Apple lol. Talk about picking the lesser of two evils.


RE: WTH
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 1:41:38 PM , Rating: 2
"I've tried for years to find a suitable replacement for Windows and Office but still haven't found it. The best one was from Apple lol. Talk about picking the lesser of two evils."

Between MS and Apple, its more like the "Jacker of two asses" ;)


RE: WTH
By Argon18 on 6/12/2013 3:05:17 PM , Rating: 3
LibreOffice is a fantastic Office replacement. I've been using it for a while now. No, it doesn't have the most advanced options of MS Office, but usually only professional business writers care about that. For home and school use, LibreOffice is a winner.

And say what you will about the whole iTunes/iPod/iPhone ecosystem, I agree that it's crap and I won't go near it. But the OSX desktop operating system is fantastic. The "walled garden" criticisms of iOS devices do not apply to OSX on the desktop, it's a whole different environment.

And don't forget Linux. While Linux has been dominating the server and mobile space, it hasn't gained a lot of traction on the desktop. Not because of any technical deficiency, though. It is especially robust, reliable, and easy to use nowadays. It hasn't caught on at home because of lack of video games. Although the recent release of Steam for Linux may help change that. And it hasn't caught on at work because of lack of MS Office. But examine your own requirements, you may find its a good fit.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 3:22:26 PM , Rating: 1
Like I said, Apple route was the best option. But that's just picking the lesser of two evils. My work needs to be flawlessly compatible with everyone else so it's not ideal.

Right now I'm trying out google.


RE: WTH
By tamalero on 6/16/2013 9:24:46 PM , Rating: 2
more like the buyers are really really stupid(see Amazon's on how xbox is selling #1 )..
all blinded by HALO, bright graphics and shinny stuff.. which is hilarious as the PS4 does almost the same except a few exclusives.


RE: WTH
By drumsticks on 6/12/2013 10:19:29 AM , Rating: 2
The Xbox will do fine. Whether that's a good thing or not is a different story. Most people wont pay attention to online rights, DRM, and the like. And some families will find real use out of the other features of the Xbox one.

That said, the PS4 looks to easily be the better machine for pure gamers. I'd much rather (if I get one this time around) get a ps4 or even a Wii U then the XB1. The big name games for Nintendo are coming out soon, which will hopefully give Nintendo a nice boost.


RE: WTH
By xti on 6/12/2013 10:24:27 AM , Rating: 2
agreed, majority is not going to care about DRM, used games, being online, etc...

techies will get all riled up but it is not a huge %


RE: WTH
By zlandar on 6/12/2013 10:34:32 AM , Rating: 1
We'll see.

Gamestop would be bankrupt if not for the used game market. It's the item that generates the biggest gross profit margin. Then there is Amazon and Ebay with tons of used video game trade-in or sales.

Point is alot of people resell their games and can recoup 25-75% of what they initially paid for it.

Do you think the "majority" are just going to quietly give up on that money?

MS should have used the Steam model where DRM is not presented as a bitch slap to the consumer.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 10:42:01 AM , Rating: 2
Gamestop? does any adult really go there?
I can find everything gamestop sells for cheaper somewhere else.


RE: WTH
By chripuck on 6/12/2013 11:49:51 AM , Rating: 5
No, but I'd wager that college kids and younger spend far more per person on a game than working adults do. I simply don't have time like I did when I was 22 to play games.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 12:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
I thought the working adult would spend far more on a game than a college kid. I don't have time to hunt for bargains. It's quicker and easier to just use Amazon Prime and have it at my door in 2 days. It's also cheaper most of the time.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 1:23:20 PM , Rating: 4
I make time. It's fun saving (and therefore amassing) my own money.

Mom wanted a laptop. Got her a Nexus 10 instead. For $300. Saved $100, technically more like $300, plus saved headaches over virus removals (lmao). She loves it, too.

Ditched my $90/mo. AT&T and got the AT&T-tower-based Straight Talk for $45. On my $600 phone that I paid $280 for.

Got sick of my Xbox, AMD offered me $100 worth of games (and this is using my $30 Max Rule, not MSRP) to buy a $220 GPU, put it in my HTPC. $120 Gen 7.5 console, AAA titles for $30 by waiting for Steam sales.

I highly doubt I would stop looking for the best value even if I was rich.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 2:19:37 PM , Rating: 1
My enemy is time. I can occasionally browse and piss off DTers for a minute but I work all day and then spend my evenings in school. Full time job + 18 credit semesters leaves me nothing but sleep deprivation 5 days of the week. Saving money is the least of my concerns.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 2:37:02 PM , Rating: 2
School. Ouch.


RE: WTH
By ven1ger on 6/13/2013 4:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. If you have kids, you go with your kids to purchase the games for them...and if you're like me, I like to browse looking at the used games. I still try to look for interesting used games for the kids Wii, PS2, PS3, DS.


RE: WTH
By xti on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 11:46:10 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see how the console makers can really get away from physical disks.

What is Target going to sell if they went to streaming downloads for games? If MS went to all digital downloads, and Sony didn't (or vice-versa), guess which console is going to be seen in stores and which one isn't.

Each gamer buys, at most, one console. And I don't think the margin is that high. Retailers make their money off the games...take that away, and the retailers are no longer interested in selling your product at all.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 1:06:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What is Target going to sell if they went to streaming downloads for games?
Internet service, lol. Points cards. Extended service plans. Controllers and headsets. Charging stations and batteries. HDMI cables. AVRs.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 1:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
Which is nothing compared to selling games. lol.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 1:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
Actually selling Internet crushes selling games, but it's harder. Most of the other stuff I listed has higher margins than games.


RE: WTH
By Rukkian on 6/12/2013 3:47:11 PM , Rating: 2
While it may not be as much, it would be pretty easy to just sell a key code in a box at a store like Target for those that dont want to pay over the internet. For Microsoft, it is in their best interest to get a cut of every game, which I am not sure they do with the current model.


RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 4:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
That makes no sense at all. Why go to Target in the first place if you're just going to have to do the exact same thing at home as if you never went to Target?

And if you just have to download your games online regardless, why both to go to the store even for a new controller? F%ck that...I'll just order one from Amazon.

Cutting out physical media cuts the whole thing out of retail. The whole retail equation for consoles rotates around the attach rate of games.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/13/2013 8:23:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why go to Target in the first place
If you're paying with cash or debit.
quote:
The whole retail equation for consoles rotates around the attach rate of games.
The whole equation equation for consoles revolves around the attach rate of games, lmao. But yeah I get what you're saying. Understand though, attaching other things is better than games, just harder. And in the end, it's just a box. If this attachment goes away, if all attachments go away, there's still reason to sell the box if the manufacturer puts any margin on it at all (in the case of consoles, probably through rebates or something as opposed to lower up-front cost).


RE: WTH
By ven1ger on 6/13/2013 4:12:55 PM , Rating: 2
I think many stores already do this. Even Gamestop, in the PC section, many games are DLC and not physical disks anymore. I've never purchased DLC games except via Steam, and I refuse to do that for any games I purchase for my kids. If the game sucks on physical media, the DLC is not going to change that, but at least we're able to recoup some of the money if we trade in, or sell it as used, or give it to a friend to try so they can see how bad it is.


RE: WTH
By wasteoid on 6/12/2013 10:40:44 AM , Rating: 2
the friends i know who pre-ordered the xbox one would have pre-ordered it regardless of the drm, online-only, or even if it required blood-sample authentication. they buy because it has the latest madden football game, they have other friends who will be playing the latest madden football game, and they don't want to lose their xbox gamer points.


RE: WTH
By kattanna on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: WTH
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/12/2013 10:43:52 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
are you sure? While I'm not a console gamer, im a PC gamer, the fact that the console by default can utilize "cloud" based resources for processing could be one heck of a boost.


How quickly we forget about SimCity ;)


RE: WTH
By kattanna on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 11:53:10 AM , Rating: 5
Except that basic physics dictates that it can't work.

The "cloud" BS is nothing but an excuse to enforce the internet connection so they can easily prohibit you from buying, trading, or sharing used games.

Watching people like you try to rationalize it makes me sick.


RE: WTH
By kattanna on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: WTH
By tamalero on 6/16/2013 9:31:44 PM , Rating: 1
Being and expert in earth and rocks do not make you an expert in consoles or internet.

just like being a Pilot doesnt make you a perfect chef.


RE: WTH
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 1:06:01 PM , Rating: 2
It looks like Microsoft is making no excuses for the always on requirement. They have basically said "The system will require an internet connection. Deal with it." As such, I think you're completely wrong about the motivations for the cloud processing, and the potential benefits.

That said, even though I have a reliable internet connection, I will not be buying an Xbox 1. It looked like a great system, with unique features I would really enjoy, but the always on requirement is something I cannot support in any way.

I would have been dealt with it if they had provided a workaround, like the requirement of having the disc physically in the system as an alternative to checking in online.

Microsoft decided that the publisher's wants are more important than the end user's, and that is something I cannot abide.

Looks like I will be skipping this decade in console gaming.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 1:08:49 PM , Rating: 1
rofl, Even though the XBO is the only console that has that? Odd.


RE: WTH
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 1:31:44 PM , Rating: 3
I refuse to buy Sony products because of other anti-consumer actions they have taken in the past, especially with the PS3.

I refuse to buy Nintendo products because they make absolutely no effort to make sure their components aren't made in part by slave labor. http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.i...


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 3:03:59 PM , Rating: 2
So the vast majority of products in the US is out of the question for you.


RE: WTH
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 3:28:44 PM , Rating: 2
Most companies make at least some effort to avoid using conflict materials, with policies and inspections and contract stipulations and things of that nature. Nintendo has made absolutely zero effort to do so. None.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 3:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like Apple enforces strict rules to make sure their slave labor don't burn alive?
Or the vast majority of clothing companies making sure their slave labor only work 12 hrs instead of 16 in the sweatshop of China, Vietnam, Bengladesh, India, etc...


RE: WTH
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 4:57:17 PM , Rating: 1
I am referring to people being taken from their homes at gun-point, dragged to mines, and forced to dig materials out of the earth by local warlords to fund their armies. Nintendo does nothing to ensure that these materials aren't in their products.

People volunteer to work at Foxxcon by the thousands. Apple has taken steps to help prevent abuse and exploitation of the employees. They haven't gone nearly far enough, but they have taken steps.

Nintendo has not done a single thing.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/17/2013 9:09:29 AM , Rating: 1
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Investig...

Nintendo use 3rd party contracts to build their consoles just like most electronics companies. They're no saint. It's all about money in the end.


RE: WTH
By tamalero on 6/16/2013 9:29:37 PM , Rating: 1
except it has happened with EVERY GOODDAMN PUBLISHER that tried to do it.

Diablo III? Thats Activision-Blizzard.. they made the same problem.
how about Other ubisoft games like Driver? SAME PROBLEM TOO.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 10:54:30 AM , Rating: 3
I'm deeply amused at people getting tricked by this cloud compute thing. It's truly hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.

If you want to know how computers work, all you have to do is ask.


RE: WTH
By Digimonkey on 6/12/2013 3:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Tell us how you think it works, or doesn't work.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/13/2013 9:11:46 AM , Rating: 2
This is actually pretty straightforward:

First of all, the Internet is slow in both throughput and latency, so the computing that can be done over the Internet is computing that can be done well before it's needed and is a small amount of data. This doesn't amount to much, to be honest. And everything that is on the list (AI, physics, and lighting are the things you'll hear all the time) should have an asterisk beside it, because there are different kinds of each of those things and different ways to do each of those kinds -- going distributed massively reduces the types and methods you have to choose from.

Then there's the inconsistency of Internet service connections, and I'm not even talking about outages. There's prime time traffic issues, router hiccups (yours and theirs), you name it. A service like this (lol, graphics as a service, lawd) would have to be designed to output-balance itself so that what you're seeing isn't constantly going up-and-down and in-and-out, which means for several reasons that even in full effect, the effect will necessarily be subtle and therefore have nothing to do with the actual rateable quality of the art, design, or gameplay.

Finally, we're not talking about a part inside the Xbox One. The main argument for MS is that the PS4's hardware advantage doesn't matter because XBO is legion, except Sony will always be able to buy some servers (they already have servers) and offer the same service. Distributed computing can be done by any computer that has a network interface. This is a feature the 360 could've had. Anyway, if developers show deep interest in it Sony will comply. But honestly it's difficult to imagine that whatever price MS is putting on this is going to go over as a strong value proposition.


RE: WTH
By BrgMx5 on 6/12/2013 10:51:41 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
the PS4 looks to easily be the better machine for pure gamers


It's a bit more powerful, hardware wise, but as seen before, the developers will tune their games to the least powerful system to save development costs, and games will look virtually identical in both consoles.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 10:57:45 AM , Rating: 3
I don't understand why everyone believes this myth.

If you want to know how a developer targets a development platform, ask a developer. Or Google it. Seriously. Jesus.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 11:08:38 AM , Rating: 1
Since hardware architecture is pretty much identical, optimizing for one console means the same for both. It also mean one console will probably pump out more fps than the other.


RE: WTH
By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 11:13:28 AM , Rating: 3
There's a difference between architecture and configuration. Optimizing for one wouldn't be optimizing for both at all. BUT, it does mean the optimization process going from one platform to the other will be far simpler than before.


RE: WTH
By polishvendetta on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: WTH
By nikon133 on 6/12/2013 4:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
And yet, multiplatform games almost always look best on PC. From pumped up graphics to additional features (like 64 vs 24 players in BF3).


RE: WTH
By Argon18 on 6/12/2013 3:09:46 PM , Rating: 2
Consumer ignorance is nothing new. It's up to those in the know (us) to spread the word that Xbox One is a crippled piece of crap. Spread the word far and wide, get it on all the pop culture and vid game sites, and then Joe Consumer might get the hint.

Voting with your dollars is the only way to sway corporate opinion. Don't just shrug your shoulders and say 'meh'.


RE: WTH
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 3:18:17 PM , Rating: 1
Or sue when they are doing anything illegal like what real people do.


RE: WTH
By Argon18 on 6/21/2013 11:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
Look at that, the strategy worked. Get the word out, vote with your dollars, and you *can* sway Goliath's opinion.


RE: WTH
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 10:42:26 AM , Rating: 2
"It is like they are purposely trying to make their console fail. This has to be intentional at this point."

Yup... Totally agreed.

"Xbox Chief: If You Can't Get Online, Don't Buy an Xbox One"

Thank you. I wont be, and no-one I know will be either. It sucks too, because I really wanted one. The inability tyo easily share, buy and sell used games (and rented ones from gamefly for that matter) and the always on internet thing are absolute deal breakers for alot of people. That is exactly when I want to play my games the most, when my internet is down.


RE: WTH
By FaaR on 6/12/2013 12:17:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is like they are purposely trying to make their console fail.

No, that would be Nintendo actually.

The Wuu's doing quite literally everything wrong ever since it was released. Cheap, low-end hardware selling for high price (not selling as the case may be), barely any games coming out, terrible, super slow firmware despite 50% (!) of RAM held in reserve, no unified login between devices forcing you to re-buy the same downloadable games for each device you want to play it on, tying downloadables to the console rather than the account...

On and on the list goes of Nintendo screwups. It's like they're waving their arms desperately for the internet to just go away, so they can return to their old roots of cartridges and crushing market dominance. ...Which is never going to happen, of course.


RE: WTH
By Cobra Commander on 6/12/2013 3:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
PRISM?


RE: WTH
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2013 1:13:35 AM , Rating: 2
I think this console is DOA this time, I really do.

However on the always-online thing? I don't get it.

At this point the Internet should be considered the same as electricity or running water. It's a necessity to life, yeah I know, it sounds pretty lame saying that out loud. But come on, look at the age we live in. I'm just stating a fact.

Yes yes I know, there are people in the middle of goddamn nowhere in America without reliable broadband. Well all I can say is Internet isn't that important to them, because my ass would have moved somewhere else like a decade ago or more.

Of all the reasons to bash Microsoft for the Xbox, this one is pretty stupid IMO. Always-on connectivity is a way of life now, and we need to keep moving forwards with it. NOT BACKWARDS! If a few holdouts have a problem with it, oh well I hate it for them, but it's time to evaluate some priorities imo.


fine with me...
By trajik78 on 6/12/2013 11:18:24 AM , Rating: 5
dont buy a xbox one? already on that train buddy.

M$ has forgotten that it's about what WE want as gamers not what they want us to want as consumers. glad Sony understood that after some time.




RE: fine with me...
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 11:43:44 AM , Rating: 2
"glad Sony understood that after some time."

Tip to MS... If Sony is doing a better job than you looking at what consumers want, and adjusting it to the end user experience, you have a problem. I still cant believe it as I type it... Sony... SONY ?

Same thing they did with Win8. They didn't look at what we want, they looked at what they want us to want then forced it on us. Not because of a technical issue, but because of an executive decision made miles away from real people.


RE: fine with me...
By half_duplex on 6/12/2013 1:19:00 PM , Rating: 3
Holy hell... I have just realized that I'm considering buying Sony merchandise!

How did MS fap this one up so badly?!?


RE: fine with me...
By polishvendetta on 6/12/2013 4:22:15 PM , Rating: 1
1) you have too much time on your hands if you are complaining about a design decision
2) you have too much time on your hands if you are complaining on the internet
3) you have no idea what you want if you are complaining on the internet about a device that is always connected to the internet
4) just because you dont like something doesnt mean everyone else doesnt like something. I happen to love Win8
5) sony will always give the customers what they want (this is ironic, Backwards compatibility, linux, PSN hacked)


RE: fine with me...
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 4:34:24 PM , Rating: 2
1. I am just not buying it. How I spend my time isnt at issue, I was stating my opinion that its abad descision by MS. No skin off my back
2. I am more laughing an MS than complaining. Like I siad, I am not buying it.
3. What I want is a device that always works, whereever I am, even if my internet goes out, or hay how about this - I take it up to our cabin in the winter on a weekend trip. I cant use it? WTF?
4. I see a whole lot of people pissed off about this one. But if its cool with you, go ahead, buy it.
5. Not the Sony I have been familiar with for the past 20 years.

Are you really that upset that so many people dont like the always on and no used games thing? Are you really that far gone that you cant at LEAST understand why people dont like it? FFS, I cant bring my game to a friends house to deathmatch? I cant borrow his game? I cant take my hardware on vacation and play it because there is no internet where I am? Come on.


RE: fine with me...
By polishvendetta on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
RE: fine with me...
By retrospooty on 6/12/2013 5:12:55 PM , Rating: 3
" can understand people not liking it. Its a big change. And change is scarry. Too scarry for alot of people I guess."

It's not about change, change is good, especially if its a good change. The inability to use it without an internet connection is NOT good. The inability to easily share games with your friends, or to give away or sell games when you are done with them is NOT good.

"So youre saying that Sony in the past 20 years...."

I didn't way anything like that. I was just saying they haven't been a customer focused company and if MS as a company inst doing as well as Sony on that subject, its a bad thing.

" dont know where you are vacationing, but if you dont have internet access there, and are going to be so bored that you need a game console to keep you entertained, you need to find better places to go on vacation."

I was throwing that up as an example. We have a cabin we go to in the winter for weekend trips. We do outdoor, snowy type stuff in the day and its nice to have an option to play at night. Its not about the specifics, its about the option to use it as I see fit, where I see fit, when I see fit. "Its mine, and I own it, get your fing rules off of it and me". I don't want it to be a useless lump if my internet is out, or I take it somewhere where connecting it to the web isnt convenient... period. It's BS.


RE: fine with me...
By mikeyD95125 on 6/12/2013 4:30:19 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Same thing they did with Win8. They didn't look at what we want, they looked at what they want us to want then forced it on us. Not because of a technical issue, but because of an executive decision made miles away from real people.


Microsoft is trying to take the Apple approach to product development. While Apple has a huge following there is a reason that a large group of people don't like the walled garden. We don't like getting whipped and spanked like the others. We want control, not submissive S&M BS.

Give us back the whip Microsoft, or we'll go do it with your arch rival, Sonya. Who frankly is a bitch but is looking pretty nice right now compared to your jealous, controlling mentality.


nuts?
By p05esto on 6/12/2013 1:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
Are they nuts? So They expect me to rip apart my hours to get an internet connection down I the basement so the kids can play xBox in the den? Dream on Microsoft. I think they are trying to go out of business at this point. Windows8 was the first step in their demise.




RE: nuts?
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 3:36:49 PM , Rating: 3
It has a wireless adapter built-in. This particular argument has no merit.

There are plenty of other, very valid reasons to not buy the new Xbox. This isn't one.


RE: nuts?
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 3:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
Unless his point is that their basement doesn't get any wireless signal, which is pretty common.


RE: nuts?
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 4:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
Getting a wireless repeater doesn't require tearing up walls either. Also, there's always powerline ethernet.


RE: nuts?
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 4:46:02 PM , Rating: 2
Sometimes there's something about the construction of a building that just doesn't let wireless around seemingly no matter what you do. And I've done powerline ethernet in a number of cases...it's not exactly foolproof either.

His best case is to stay with the 360, or buy the kids a PS4 if they want something new. Or a Wii U I guess. For whatever that thing's worth.


RE: nuts?
By Etsp on 6/12/2013 5:15:25 PM , Rating: 2
At this point, that's his best case regardless of being able to get internet access into the basement.


Trying to be cute
By half_duplex on 6/12/2013 10:13:55 AM , Rating: 2
MS is trying to deflect the real reason people are concerned, and that is WHY the console needs to be always online.

I have 100% online capability. I just won't buy a game console that requires it.

In fact, I'll buy a PS just to prove a point.




RE: Trying to be cute
By crispbp04 on 6/12/2013 10:33:11 AM , Rating: 1
Wow you're such a rebel! Go you!


RE: Trying to be cute
By half_duplex on 6/12/2013 1:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
Why am I a rebel for not buying an XBO?


RE: Trying to be cute
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 1:19:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why am I a rebel for not buying an XBO?


quote:
In fact, I'll buy a PS just to prove a point.


RE: Trying to be cute
By ven1ger on 6/13/2013 4:59:46 PM , Rating: 2
So, if one was to buy an XBO would that make them one of the sheep?


RE: Trying to be cute
By Lifted on 6/12/2013 11:07:09 AM , Rating: 3
Why?

Because PRISM can't watch and listen to you if your Xbox/Skype isn't online.


Microsoft supporter what will you say about it
By nangryo on 6/12/2013 11:27:16 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder of what microsoft supporter like mitch and kleinma will play the word about it

It's funny that in this forum there are some people that will say good thing and defend to death about everything the company the loved for.

For what reason I don't know and don't care much, but it's fun to see those comment :)




RE: Microsoft supporter what will you say about it
By kleinma on 6/12/2013 2:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
I have the same opinion about a required internet connection, regadless if it is Sony, Apple, Google, Microsoft or anyone else with that requirement. Internet is akin almost to electricity for many people now. They can't live without it, and don't have to live without it. It is becoming a common utility just like water, heat, power, etc. Yes we CAN live without it, but to function on the same level and speed as the rest of society, in a way people do need the internet. Just the fact that every single company who sends you a monthly bill has been pushing everyone to paperless billing means I can't even pay my bills or know how much they are without the internet.

So yeah, if you don't have internet, then I don't know what you are doing buying a 500 dollar console that half or more of its core functinality has to do with the internet.

I just see an internet connection requirement as the most moot point to argue about the flaws in the upcoming xbox one, just like I though arguing about a start button was the most moot thing to complain about in Windows 8, when there was plenty of actual things to complain about.


By karimtemple on 6/12/2013 2:49:41 PM , Rating: 2
This would be a good comment if the situation had anything to do with Internet.

This is about who is in control. This is about who is supplying the cash. This is about a console launching with a list of things it won't allow you to do, and stipulations on how to do what it will allow you to do.

Of course people have Internet. It was never about that. It's always been about unnecessary restrictions.

Check this out:

Unnecessary . And not even convenient-unnecessary lol, just doesn't-help-anyone-unnecessary.


RE: Microsoft supporter what will you say about it
By kleinma on 6/12/2013 4:06:12 PM , Rating: 2
Consoles have always launched with stipulations and things you can't do. That is why they are consoles and not PCs. They are closed system black boxes.

All you people jumping to buy a PS4, just remember something. Who lost all their users data and handled it horribly when it happened? Who promised backwards compatibility at launch only to remove it later, and who promised you that you could run OtherOS with the likes of full blown linux on your hardware, only to yank that rug out too? Just keep all that in mind when you drink the Sony cool-aid and run out on launch day to get one. What they tell you today is not nessesarily what you will have later.


By ven1ger on 6/13/2013 5:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
Never logged into Sony network and never will. Don't do online gaming. Have a PS2, backwards compatibility would have been nice but no big deal. Never cared about OtherOS, I can run Linux on other computers so no big deal. Didn't buy the PS3 for any of the things you're griping about. Guess what, a majority of other people probably didn't get the PS3 for what you're griping about. It was to buy it as a games console to play games, for a friend he bought it mainly because of the Bluray capability.

I wouldn't even consider an XBO because there may come a time when I won't be able to play because my internet service may be down, I'll most likely stick with the PS4 as the next game console, and the only thing that is Sony in my house is its games consoles.


By Ramstark on 6/17/2013 1:12:55 PM , Rating: 2
well, I'm a Microsoft supporter and I have to say that the approach to the new generation of gaming wasn't wrong.
BUT, again, the marketing people at MS are nowhere to be seen or with their head up their a$$; the idea is good (go with the trend of Netflix and Amazon), prices in other countries than US are way higher thanks to importing taxes or physical distribution. I myself have felt the changed as this last months have been buying more games on XboxLive.

Now, opening every presentation event, trying to sell that the Xbox1 is awesome and not adressing directly the issues which have the gamer community worried, is terribly wrong. Sure the non-gamer community and hard core fans will get One (pun intended) but Hardcore gamers that LOVE to try every game out there and that form communities around a console (like with the 360) are right to be upset.

The DMR limitations are a source of money, I give you that, but are mainly a way to push the consumer toward a market that's cheaper for the publishers and developers and that is easier to manage, anyway, some consumers HATE to be pushed around, and those are the ones that are complaining on this page (Including Motoman that will complain about EVERYTHING just for the sake of the world ::<3 u Moto::).

So, concluding, good idea, good intention (maybe) bad execution, seems like the trend on MS these days :/


Sound advice
By Gondor on 6/12/2013 11:43:24 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Don't Buy an Xbox One


I shall definitely heed to it, no Xbox One for me.




RE: Sound advice
By HaB1971 on 6/12/2013 12:45:57 PM , Rating: 4
Already decided not to get it. It has far too much stuff that I don't give a rats a$$ about.

Kinect - I Don't care for it or want it
Online - I Don't play Online games
Ugly design - Don't want ugly design
Halo - Don't care about Halo
Entertainment Hub - I don't want your device being a hub of what I chose to watch/listen to or fap to.


RE: Sound advice
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 1:20:42 PM , Rating: 2
You really know what you don't want.


what did you expect?
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 10:37:17 AM , Rating: 2
MS learning new tricks? nope, same old tricks as always.
MS listen to customers? nope, only a half assed compromise at most. EG. we'll give you a start button that'll take you directly to Metro lol
MS caring about customers? nope, overpriced software and OS

I also find it ironic that everybody who is raging about this have internet access.




RE: what did you expect?
By wasteoid on 6/12/2013 10:57:28 AM , Rating: 2
It isn't the requirement of always-on internet, it is the requirement of always-on DRM. Big difference and definitely something to get rage about.


RE: what did you expect?
By wallijonn on 6/12/2013 11:37:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I also find it ironic that everybody who is raging about this have internet access.


Uh, because those who don't have internet access can't rage against it?

Windows 8 phones home every 90 days. Why must the console phone home every day?

If you go on vacation and turn off every electronic device in the house, when you come back you expect the garage door, desktop computer, microwave, hdtv, DVD/BD player, sound system, cable box or satellite box to work, right? But not the console?


RE: what did you expect?
By DiscoWade on 6/12/2013 1:00:26 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Windows 8 phones home every 90 days.


Reason #1,531 to hate Windows 8.


What he REALLY said...
By jnemesh on 6/12/2013 12:07:44 PM , Rating: 2
"Some of the advantages that you get, of having, a box that is designed to use an online state, so, that, uh, to me is the future-proof choice, and I think people, could've arguably gone the other way if we didn't do it and fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360."

Change that last to "fortunately, there is a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called a PS4."

There, fixed it for him. Does he REALLY think that consumers would be happy with a SEVEN YEAR OLD console, when the competition has a new box, that is arguably MORE POWERFUL, and LESS RESTRICTIVE, oh and also CHEAPER? Who are they marketing this to? Blithely ignorant casual gamers who are stupid enough to pay for cable? Yeah, that will work in the US (especially in Southern States), but not so well in the rest of thw world!




RE: What he REALLY said...
By KurgSmash on 6/12/2013 3:19:59 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, I'm sure the PS4 will _rock_ without an Internet connection.

Seriously, what kind of dolt spends $4-$500 on an entertainment device with as many online capabilities as the PS4/Xbox and doesn't have a decent Internet connection?

I'm going to go buy a $50k sports car and then complain that it takes 91 octane gas! Whaaaaaa!


RE: What he REALLY said...
By wallijonn on 6/13/2013 7:44:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
fortunately, there is a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called a PS4."


The PS3 & PS4 do use Internet access - to update firmware, for one. Many Sony BD movie discs will have the PS3 firmware update, if so needed.

What it doesn't do phone home once a day.

Guess: Sooner or later MS will start data mining your once a day connection for the music you've listened to, the movies you've watched, the games you've played, the people you've Skyped, the things you've bought on-line, etc. I mean, really, how hard could it be to save on the HD and then upload to their Servers?


XBOX 1
By drevas2528 on 6/12/2013 10:54:24 AM , Rating: 2
I think there is a misperception that the PS4 COULDN'T use online connectivity the same way the XBOX1 can. Microsoft dictates that connectivity, Sony doesn't. It doesn't mean that Sony cannot take advantage of it if the if players want it to. If a game gets a boost from connectivity it is up to the developer to add that feature to the game and advertise it that way. Then it is up to the player to decide. Well, at least it's up to the PS4 players! :)




RE: XBOX 1
By polishvendetta on 6/12/2013 4:31:47 PM , Rating: 2
It cant. Xbox 1 is designed to use MS Azure which is MS personal cloud computing platform. Sony would have to licence something from someone or build one in house. This would cost them or you.

Seeing the differences in reliability and customer service regarding their online services, my money is on MS.


Who would by such junk anyways
By KOOLTIME on 6/12/2013 3:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
Consoles are dead anyways, everything is going mobile aka phones and everything else, so being stuck to a traditional console box, and then paying fees for it is stupid.

This new Xbox is not offering any new technology, that sets is aside from the rest of the gaming world doesn't have already to even justify its purchase in the 1st place.

I definitely would not want to never be able to play old favorite games that enjoyed over the years, so many are still fun, and to lose all those for junk online spam games is a waste of money.




By wallijonn on 6/17/2013 4:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Consoles are dead anyways, everything is going mobile aka phones and everything else, so being stuck to a traditional console box, and then paying fees for it is stupid.


There's a big difference between playing a game on a 60" HDTV and playing on one with a 3" - 6" display. Do you really think that there will come a time when a game comes out on a phone that will make over $1 billion? (Black Ops, Battlefield 3, for two). Maybe they'll sell the game for $1 and 1 billion phone-playing-people will buy it...


What I'm hearing...
By eagle470 on 6/12/2013 11:10:57 AM , Rating: 1
....Is don't buy an XBox.

Cool, just another thing for MicroShaft to drop money into on it's ever lasting spin down the toilet bowl.




RE: What I'm hearing...
By flyingpants1 on 6/13/2013 12:22:05 AM , Rating: 2
DON'T BUY OUR PRODUCT AND WE WON'T MAKE MONEY, PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!?!?!?


Speedy internet & lag time
By wallijonn on 6/12/2013 12:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft's policy for anyone who doesn't have 100 percent reliable, speedy internet is this: don't buy an Xbox One.


If 70% of Americans have internet access, does that mean that 70% also have "speedy" internet? Unlikely. If you figure that 50% have the slower or slowest DSL or cable packages, at best that means that 50% of that 70% have high speed internet, or roughly 35% of Americans.

Seeing as computing is being off-loaded to the cloud, and seeing as we obsess over TV lag time when playing single player games (plasma vs LCD vs LED), will lag and ping times be a factor when playing XBO games?




By polishvendetta on 6/12/2013 4:36:28 PM , Rating: 1
If 99% of Americans have pens and pencils in thier homes, does that make 99% of Americans novelists?

quote:
Seeing as computing is being off-loaded to the cloud, and seeing as we obsess over TV lag time when playing single player games (plasma vs LCD vs LED), will lag and ping times be a factor when playing XBO games?


If gamers are that concerned about lag and ping times, wouldnt that mean that they already have a fast internet connection?


Probably not!
By mchentz on 6/12/2013 2:48:14 PM , Rating: 3
I am not a big console gamer. My son is and I was thinking of getting a Xbox one but my resolve is crumbling at this point to get one. There are a lot of negative things about this device.




Exactly why I will buy a PS4...
By bkiserx7 on 6/13/2013 1:56:05 PM , Rating: 3
Thank you for making my decision that much easier MS.




Get out!
By Spookster on 6/12/2013 10:18:07 AM , Rating: 2
No soup for you.




No problem
By Motoman on 6/12/2013 11:25:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Xbox Chief: If You Can't Get Online, Don't Buy an Xbox One


Don't worry - we won't. And those of us with brains in our heads won't buy one under any circumstances, even if we have fiber optic feeds into every room in our house.

All who buy an XBO are abdicating their rights of ownership and fundamentally undermining one of the most basic pillars of our economy. The very fact that there is even one person left who thinks the XBO is a good idea is proof of nothing more...and nothing less...than the irrefutable fact that humans can be really f%cking stupid.

I sincerely hope that anyone who buys an XBO chokes on it. Because you're not just screwing yourself - you're screwing all of us. Stop the precendent now.




MS no friend of mine
By mike66 on 6/12/2013 5:37:39 PM , Rating: 2
Win 8 meet your new friend X box one. MS has it's head up it's ass yet again. I wonder how long it will take to announce the X box 1.1 free upgrade




mine means mine
By DockScience on 6/12/2013 8:18:49 PM , Rating: 2
Dear Microsoft.

When I purchase something, it is mine.
Mine to keep. Mine to use without permission.
Mine to sell. Mine to loan.

Apparently I will not be purchasing an Xbox One.




offended by microsoft attitude
By rob19478 on 6/13/2013 5:18:57 AM , Rating: 2
As said before this time will not be getting an xbox, I not support any product with such a drm that limits so much the use of the things you paid for.




So..
By synapse46 on 6/13/2013 3:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
What if I'm not on a nuclear sub and I don't want to connect my game console to the internet? Oh, you don't want my cash, OK!




By dxf2891 on 6/18/2013 12:47:58 PM , Rating: 2
OK, I won't.




Microsuck #@*!box
By vinnymills on 6/18/2013 3:04:03 PM , Rating: 2
A $500 price tag is too high in this economic toliet that we are swimming in. If the console didn't require online connections I might consider it if under $200. For the $500 price and no internet it better not require a tv and have a 360°, 100% holographic picture that is projected into the air from the top of the console. Truly, when are they going to come out with something like that? I could give a rat's ass about online play, I'd rather see the 3-D (I mean true 3-D where stuff jumps at you, not depth into the screen) types of gakes. I wear the red/blue glasses if I have to just to get that effect, but I really want to see holographic gameplay get developed. Something I could stick my hand into to block the image. I remember seeing a game a long time ago in an arcade that did this. It's time to mass produce a console with that capability. Gamers want in your face graphics, not some waste of money BS with online play and extra charges for lending out games.




Microsuck $**#box 2nd comment
By vinnymills on 6/18/2013 5:01:11 PM , Rating: 2
Forgot to mention that MS has forgotten that the rest of the world outside of (Silicon Valley I think) doesn't have free internet. If the console came with free internet and/or internet installation with free internet for as long as you use the console, more people would be inclined to purchase it. They also claimed to have researched with gamers that this is a step in the right direction. What gamers were polled? The ones with Xbox live subscriptions? I wasn't asked, but I don't have internet execpt for on my phone which is how I'm leaving this message. I'm currently unemployed and my two previous jobs didn't pay me well enough to purchase a $500 system anyways. I mean JFC my rent is only $250 more than that per month. But by the time you figure in internet cost, electricity cost (which is on the rise) and game cost......I might as well live in a cardboard box playing the fricking system from outside a store display window. It must be REALLY NICE to have money. Hey Bill, could you loan me a few million, I know that f-ing pocket change to you, but I could retire at 37 (current age) andbe set for life. Seems to me the bottom line here is the bottom line of profits for the company and not the enjoyment of the consumer. I hope this falls even more on it's face than the first Xbox did! Hey at least now I can look forward to more Gran Turismo and DOA games in my collection. That means I'll be puchasing a PS4, way to go Japan. Now my new console will match my car.....a Honda Accord which is what Sony is doing with it's consumers, striking accord. Sony, I love you for listening. MS can take a long walk off a very high short cliff, maybe even have some of those spike at the bottom like in MK. Sorry MS, butthe Japanese are still beating you at every turn. They have pretty much had a stranglehold of the vg world since NES. The last point I will make is - how many of you have problems with your home computer? My last one had to be trashed due to viruses and male/spyware, what guarantee is there that things like that will NEVER, EVER HAPPEN? None? that's what I thought. Just another reason to keep off online gaming. No viruses, no maleware, no spyware......oh yeah and no theft. If this console was a good as they promote itto be, iI should be able to play anything on it. Meaning even my Intelivision, NES, SNES, GENESIS, NES 64, PS, PS2, PSP, XBOX AND 360 games on it without having to buy them again. That would be an all in One system!




Straightforward.
By KurgSmash on 6/12/2013 3:17:40 PM , Rating: 1
So we always complain about CorporateSpeak and people not being honest/blunt.

So this guy is hones, and he's 100% correct and suddenly people don't "like his attitude". He's right - if you don't want to be online, don't buy the Xbox One.

All the nonsense Internerd upset about the Xbox One has confirmed my low opinion of 90% of the people on the Internet.

Really the FUD and hysterics regarding the Xbox One is laughable, and the people engaging in it are like shrill 14 year old girls whining because Bieber got his hair cut.




RE: Straightforward.
By polishvendetta on 6/12/13, Rating: 0
The way of the GAME.
By rippleyaliens on 6/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: The way of the GAME.
By BRB29 on 6/12/2013 12:17:07 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
in the year 2013, you could actually get 200 mb internet, for under $60.00 Incredible.


Please let me in on this secret. I seem to be paying nearly $100 for 75 mbps


RE: The way of the GAME.
By daveinternets on 6/12/2013 5:58:56 PM , Rating: 2
That's because you live in the US.


RE: The way of the GAME.
By ven1ger on 6/13/2013 5:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
Lower specs? Who's asking for lowering specs. This has nothing to do with specs other than greed. If you were looking at specs only don't you think that the PS4 offers better specs against the XBO, and without the always online crap?

It's called choices, MS is making the choice of getting greedy. Gamers have the choice of not buying into it, period. MS will lose a lot of gamers to Sony for this screw up.


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