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The only thing in the black right now for Microsoft's EDD is the Xbox 360 Elite
Xbox 360 in the black by 2008 -- and not just the Elite console

The Xbox 360 is the leader of the home console market at the moment. Its year head-start has given it the largest user base along with the greatest number of quality titles. Despite all that, however, the Xbox 360 is a financial loser for Microsoft, which lost $315 million USD from its Entertainment end Devices Division in the third fiscal quarter.

Microsoft is in the gaming business for the long-haul. The company’s deep pockets allow it to sit in the trenches, weathering the storm until the tides turn – and according to Robbie Back, president of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, those days may be coming in 2008.

“It's a business that will be profitable next year—we'll make money next year and that will be the first time, which is pretty exciting,” said Bach in an eWeek interview. “And then the next two or three years are the place where you need to make tracks, and the next two or three years are where you have to make money.”

Bach details that the Xbox hardware itself is something that may never end up being profitable, though accessories such as controllers and other peripherals usually do bring in some money. A major source of revenue is from its own games divisions and royalties from other publishers. The last piece to the Xbox profit model is the Live service, which is now six million subscribers strong.

“The pieces are in place to drive the proverbial billion dollars. Specific date—oh, that's going to depend on what happens in pricing, which partly we control, partly we don't,” Bach explained when asked about turning a profit. “You know what happens in component costs—mostly we have pretty good influence over that, but there are places where we don't. Pricing on memory goes up and down seemingly like a yo-yo, so [we have to manage] through that.”

“Right now we're doing a pretty good job. We're humming pretty well in the business,” added Bach. “Our costs are a little higher than we'd like, [but] we're pushing those down; there are good initiatives underway to drive that.”



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By achintya on 5/7/2007 9:19:19 AM , Rating: 1
I thought that MS was already making a profit on every Xbox360 sold.




RE: ???
By FITCamaro on 5/7/2007 9:23:02 AM , Rating: 1
I think you're thinking about Nintendo. While its no where close to what Sony is loosing on each PS3, Microsoft still looses some money on each 360.


RE: ???
By Lonyo on 5/7/2007 10:16:05 AM , Rating: 2
I think some random company said MS was already making profit on each Xbox 360 sold, the same one saying that Sony loses $240 or so on each PS3.
But IMO those numbers are complete crap, since they had the Xbox 360's DVD drive priced HIGHER than an OEM drive from Newegg for a PC. I don't think MS would pay more than a regular person for a DVD drive.

So it has been claimed MS are making a profit on each Xbox 360, but I wouldn't trust what's been said.


RE: ???
By masteraleph on 5/7/2007 10:50:15 AM , Rating: 2
There was a company saying that, however, they took into account only the cost of components. Amazingly enough, each Xbox360 also has things like packaging, shipping, and the fact that MS doesn't receive the retail price to deal with in not making a profit.


RE: ???
By Oregonian2 on 5/7/2007 3:37:39 PM , Rating: 1
Might also be an import duty from wherever it's manufactured (as well as shipping from there, broker's fees, warehousing, shipping to retailer's warehouses, insurance, coverage of damaged or missing units, etc).


RE: ???
By Plasmoid on 5/8/2007 4:11:55 PM , Rating: 2
Dont forget all those xbox that had to be replaced or repaired... their bleeding money on those. Not to mention the shipping on them.


RE: ???
By Mitch101 on 5/7/2007 10:20:31 AM , Rating: 2
Im under the same impression that they do make a small profit on each X-Box 360 and when they go to 65nm will either drop the price or just make more money if demand is still decent.

I think if they plan on doing a price drop is will be before X-mas 2007 after I hear ATI recently tapped out the 65nm design for the chips recently. From what I understand ATI gets a lump sum for that and maybe a small coin for each chip as Microsoft owns the chips in the end. TSMC I believe makes the chips for Microsoft.

In all Im surprised they didnt mention making money from movies but maybe thats included with Live?


RE: ???
By Murst on 5/7/2007 10:54:07 AM , Rating: 3
You're both right and wrong...

It has been reported that MS can make the units for less than the cost of the 360. So, for example, MS can make the 360 premium for less than 400 USD. However, that still doesn't mean it makes a profit on the system, as shipping costs, advertising, etc. add up to cause a net loss.


RE: ???
By Murst on 5/7/2007 10:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm... someone else beat me to it by 4 minutes :)


RE: ???
By TheDoc9 on 5/7/07, Rating: -1
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By ViperROhb34 on 5/7/2007 12:29:02 PM , Rating: 2
The article refers to how it balances out.. they ( MS ) lost money intially.. and now they are making money on each console - but the current profits don't balance out the those initial massive negatives in just a few weeks..

If PS3 were to start making a profit of 80 dollars on each PS3 today - they still need yrs to make back all the money they've lost so far.


RE: ???
By Samus on 5/7/2007 2:28:02 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft does MAKE money for EACH console sold. The hardware has been profitable since last fall.

I think the article is speaking for the WHOLE XBOX DIVISION. They're still not making money on developement and support (warranty claims are killing them I hear)


RE: ???
By psychobriggsy on 5/7/2007 8:10:47 PM , Rating: 2
Did you read the article you are replying to?

"Bach details that the Xbox hardware itself is something that may never end up being profitable"

i.e., the 360 hardware is not profitable NOW, never mind 6-10 months ago when iSupply made the $323 hardware cost estimates.


RE: ???
By S3anister on 5/7/2007 5:56:57 PM , Rating: 2
it's a lie. there are soo many more things that go on behind the corporation that what most consumers and (sorry) DT readers know.


Do they pass it on?
By TheDrD on 5/7/2007 9:16:55 AM , Rating: 2
Will they pass it on to the consumers?




RE: Do they pass it on?
By dice1111 on 5/7/2007 9:54:46 AM , Rating: 2
I doubt they will until after they get their ROI. After that, it would seem most likely.


RE: Do they pass it on?
By encryptkeeper on 5/7/2007 10:24:01 AM , Rating: 2
Pass the savings to the customer? Good god man, how did you perfectly smack your head as to get enough brain damage to conjure that insane idea but still know how to use your fingers to type??? This is MICROSOFT we're talking about here! After SIX years, Windows XP is the SAME price as it was at it's introduction!

OK so yeah, OS's are different from consoles, but don't expect a price drop anytime soon. The only time they would do one is if the red headed stepchild of consoles (of course I'm talking about the PS3) comes down BELOW the 360's current price. Otherwise, don't even fool yourself about the price budging a cent.


RE: Do they pass it on?
By Nekrik on 5/7/2007 6:00:46 PM , Rating: 3
Your statement is true, but it has nothing to do with it being Microsoft, it's because it is a business.


RE: Do they pass it on?
By mars777 on 5/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: Do they pass it on?
By redbone75 on 5/8/2007 7:12:17 PM , Rating: 3
I can tell your major wasn't economics:)


RE: Do they pass it on?
By Oregonian2 on 5/7/2007 3:39:17 PM , Rating: 1
Pass the profits on to the customers? How about if they send a bill out to customers to cover the losses they're taking now, to be fair?


RE: Do they pass it on?
By Tsuwamono on 5/7/2007 11:44:46 PM , Rating: 1
considering they are already ripping us off on the costs of OSes they certainly owe us enough already