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"Yippee-ki-yay, Mr. Falcon." Microsoft prepares 65nm chips for Xbox 360

When it comes to Microsoft's Xbox 360, Dean Takahashi always seems to have the inside scoop. He was the first to spill the beans on Xbox 360 IPTV and provided confirmation on the existence of the Xbox 360 Elite.

Today, Takahashi confirmed that Microsoft's upcoming 65nm die shrink for the Xbox 360's microprocessor and GPU is codenamed "Falcon." Takahashi reports that Microsoft is currently qualifying the new Falcon chips along with a redesigned motherboard. The 65nm-equipped Xbox 360s are due to hit store shelves this fall.

The new chips are not only smaller and roughly 50 percent cheaper to produce than their 90nm counterpart, but they are also cooler. Cooler-running chips coupled with a revised cooling solution would go a long way to eradicating the Xbox 360’s fatal flaw: the Red Ring of Death (RROD).

Heat has been a big problem with the Xbox 360 and has been the root cause of RROD cases around the globe. Microsoft has countered the RROD failures by increasing the warranty of the console, adding various "warranty enhancements" and beefed up cooling solutions on new production Xbox 360 units.

Microsoft ultimately caved in to mounting pressure from the Xbox 360 community on RROD failures and announced a $1 billion initiative to service Xbox 360s afflicted with the problem and extended warranty coverage for those machines to three years.



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Price cut?
By Eurasianman on 7/9/2007 2:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
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The new chips are not only smaller and roughly 50 percent cheaper to produce than their 90nm counterpart, but they are also cooler.


Could this mean a price cut? I mean, I already have a 360, but I love it so much, I wouldn't mind getting a 2nd one... that or just taking my 360 to EB Games and trading it in towards the new model =P

Btw, do you think there will be any label on the box itself to notify customers that this is the newer box?

When the special edition XBOX, "Halo" came out, it was rumored that the hardware was updated in the box *shudders* That's what the guy at EB Games told me... Maybe they'll make an Halo 3 XBOX! =D

My XBOX "Halo Editon" still runs today! =D




RE: Price cut?
By Mithan on 7/9/2007 2:49:26 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty sure that original Xbox hardware never got an update, except for a few minor changes. MS didn't own any of the IP for the components and couldn't lower costs as they can with the 360, due to using off the shelf products.


RE: Price cut?
By Slaimus on 7/9/2007 3:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
They did shrink the CPU from a Coppermine to a Tualatin, IIRC.


RE: Price cut?
By AstroCreep on 7/9/2007 5:31:23 PM , Rating: 2
There was also the thing about the GPU costing less to produce, but nVidia and MS didn't have any kind of stipulation in their contract(s) to revise pricing after die shrinks for the GPU, and a nasty battle ensued.
That's why MS is using ATI for the CPU this time around, and why MS is actually producing all of the hardware themselves and merely licensed the hardware from ATI, IBM, etc.


RE: Price cut?
By MGSsancho on 7/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: Price cut?
By fenderkb76 on 7/9/2007 6:47:26 PM , Rating: 3
There were actually quite a few changes. I think there were at least 3 or 4 different DVD drives and the motherboard had versions up to 1.7 I believe, although one of those revisions wasn't actually ever produced. The power supply changed as well. Version 1.0 had a plug that wasn't close to ATX, the pins were all on one row. Later versions were basically ATX plugs with pins moved around. There was also standby and reverse voltage on one of the pins. The branding and size of the hard drive also varied between 8 and 10 GB. I think they also changed the video output chip (not the GPU). They changed the heatsink design. I think the CPU always had a passive heatsink, but the GPU started out with a crappy heatsink and fan and ended with a better passive heatsink. There was actually quite a bit of hardware revision with the majority of it being made to stay one step ahead of the modchip community. However, all the of the modchips kept making designs to defeat the changes on the mobo. If you look at an original Xbox mobo, there are also blank spots where more memory could be added. I think they decided last minute to use 64 MB instead of 128 MB. You can have people add 64 MB in those spaces, but it's only good for Linux as no games would even know it existed.


RE: Price cut?
By FITCamaro on 7/10/2007 6:55:47 AM , Rating: 2
Thats not true. I have 128MB of RAM on my Xbox and I've noticed better performance from Halo than before I had it. It also helps with streaming video to my TV through XMC.


RE: Price cut?
By fenderkb76 on 7/10/2007 6:15:26 PM , Rating: 2
I can understand the improvement in XBMC since it's third party, but that's surprising that Halo plays better. I hope you didn't pay too much for that mod. Did you get the mod with the 1.4 MHz celeron too?


RE: Price cut?
By mdogs444 on 7/9/2007 2:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
doubtful price cut.....probably stay the same for a while to recoup some of that $1 billion hit they took on the consoles.

I think their goal is to have the Xbox 360 Elite compete with the low end (soon to be 60gb) PS3 in the $479-$499 range.


RE: Price cut?
By FITCamaro on 7/9/2007 3:14:03 PM , Rating: 4
No they'll need a price cut. The Elite is only $20 less than the new PS3 price. It might have a bigger hard drive and come with component, ethernet, and HDMI cables, but it'll still need to drop at least to $399 to keep its competition up. Really Microsoft needs to drop the Core, upgrade the Premium with a 60GB drive and price it at $299 and then make the Elite $399.


RE: Price cut?
By Parhel on 7/9/2007 5:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I'm wrong, but I honestly don't think that MS needs to undercut Sony on price. While I believe that the PS3 has somewhat superior hardware, I don't think that the average consumer is really aware of that. That, or the average consumer doesn't care very much.

Sony's main reasoning for charging a premium is BluRay. If people aren't buying into BluRay, like myself, they won't be willing to pay even a small price premium to have one. If I were in the market for either a PS3 or 360, I would be leaning towards the 360 once the 65nm conversion is complete. If they were priced equally, only then I would even consider the PS3.

I also think there is a sweet spot with pricing, and above that the vast majority of people just won't buy one.


RE: Price cut?
By rockyct on 7/10/2007 5:22:41 PM , Rating: 3
I know when my parents got me a PS2, one of the main reasons they agreed was because of its DVD drive. Why spend $150 on a DVD player when $300 gets you a brand new video game console.

I think parents would be a lot more willing to spend $500 if it gave with an Hi-def video player, which I'm sure their kids will be happy to inform them of. If anything they'll look at the 360 Elite and ask why it is only $20 less than the PS3.

The superior game library of the Xbox 360 is only going to go so far now that the PS3 has games coming out. A $50 price cut on all models would make a lot of sense. The core would compete with the Wii and the Elite would be priced enough below the PS3.


RE: Price cut?
By Rampage on 7/9/2007 6:24:14 PM , Rating: 3
Dropping the Core model is madness.

Far easier to match, and undercut sony with the core than with the premium as the bottom end model.
Most people just want a next gen console at the cheapest price, with the core@65nm they could murder the ps3 no matter what move sony makes with their pricing.

Core is essential to keep.
If they didnt intend to keep it, they'd made HDDs mandatory for the system. It was meant for the price war to end all price wars, if needs be.

If they change anything, they'll kill the current 20GB premium and make the premium the 120GB model.

Unless the Premium stops selling quantity as-is, I see no need for that either.


RE: Price cut?
By FITCamaro on 7/9/2007 8:13:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yes but I want to see all 360s being sold with hard drives. That way maybe devs might eventually support it. Don't say they can't because they're not on all systems. It's been done before. If the 20GB hard drive is made cheap enough($30 or so), then devs could require it for games, same as games near the end of the N64s life required the memory expansion pack.


RE: Price cut?
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 12:22:50 AM , Rating: 3
I don't think they care. They just think that you saved money on the purchase, and now it is time to pitch in another $80 for a HDD. People with the core system will eventually need to buy HDDs, and if they sold a $279 core system it will allow people to pay for additional features as they go. I think it should be $279 core, $349 Premium (or drop it) and $399 Elite. I think it will end up being $279 Core, $349 Premium and $429 Elite. I would actually pay $429 for the elite even though I wanted it to drop to $399. Whats $30 at the end of the day? Frickin' controllers are $50 and Live is $60.


RE: Price cut?
By FITCamaro on 7/10/2007 6:57:47 AM , Rating: 2
13 months of Xbox Live is $50. You can even get it for $45 off newegg.com.


RE: Price cut?
By psychobriggsy on 7/9/2007 4:03:11 PM , Rating: 2
With a choice between a $480 '360 Elite + $$$ 360 Wireless Card (sorry, I don't live in an ethernet cabled basement), or a $499 PS3 including a BluRay drive, yeah, I'm getting the PS3 that has a better reliability record, built-in PSU and quieter operation, despite the smaller hard drive. Now a $299 Premium vs. $499 PS3 is a completely different matter.

I think Microsoft will have to either build-in WiFi into their next release for free, or drop the price for the Elite down to $399 at most. Given that the 65nm chips are cheaper to produce, and hopefully the redesign will be more reliable, I don't expect this to be a problem for Microsoft.


RE: Price cut?
By FITCamaro on 7/9/2007 5:09:41 PM , Rating: 3
What does using ethernet cable have to do with a basement? My Elite is hooked up via ethernet. Same as my original Xbox near it. My router is 8 feet away.

Some of us prefer reliability and bandwidth over portability. Wireless to me is for laptops that get moved around a lot. Not stationary objects.


RE: Price cut?
By psychobriggsy on 7/9/2007 6:16:21 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, it's nice if your cable/dsl comes in near your entertainment unit.

Mine doesn't (it comes into the office, which is upstairs). Hence I require wireless, and I know lots of people who are in the same situation.

And no, I'm not taking my house apart to fit Ethernet cable and jacks either.


RE: Price cut?
By Rampage on 7/9/2007 6:27:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm not taking my house apart to fit Ethernet cable and jacks either.


Internet access on most any console is becoming the future. Even HD DVD players use it.

Time to grow a pair of man nuggets and get it done my boy.


RE: Price cut?
By Hemipower on 7/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: Price cut?
By TomZ on 7/9/2007 11:33:00 PM , Rating: 3
No way, Hosé! Wired has at least 10x the bandwidth and reliability of wireless. Copper may be old school, but it is always better than wireless.

I just laugh when I see PCI/PCIe wireless cards - how lame! Just run those wires!


RE: Price cut?
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 12:28:11 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah and connecting to the internet needs 100mbit/s. Whatever. I don't anticipate doing big LAN file transfers on my console all day. As for reliability, configure your network right and it will be fine - even in an insanely dense place like NYC where I can pickup 20-30 networks on any given day in my apartment.


RE: Price cut?
By 9nails on 7/10/2007 10:30:40 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that Wireless needs to be thought of as a HALF-DUPLEX Hub shared among all the other wireless devices connected to it, not to mention that it operates at the lowest common denominator. So if you have a Nintendo DS connected to it at 1 Mbit, everything in your wireless network shares that slow half-duplex 1 Mbit radio signal. Bummer. And even at Wireless' best, it is still less than half the speed of 100 Mbit CAT5 cable and it can't offer you the other half of the conversation. In a gamers world where you're shooting and being shot at - FULL-DUPLEX is a very nice thing to have.

Having a dense wifi network like in your situation only makes matters worse. I hope some of those people in your 'hood are smart enough to turn their radio power levels down to "sane" and hopefully on something other than channel 6. Even if you can configure your wifi network devices to attach reliably, I'd bet that you're still dropping a lot of the communications due to that density. It sure wouldn't be fun if that communication was you making the winning shot in Halo 3.


RE: Price cut?
By piroroadkill on 7/16/2007 12:31:59 PM , Rating: 2
Wireless is useful but there is no substitute to a wired network


RE: Price cut?
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 12:24:52 AM , Rating: 2
...and no games.

(Yes, I own a PS3 but it sits and collects dust except when I put Planet Earth on Blu-Ray into that thing).


RE: Price cut?
By Belard on 7/10/2007 4:25:33 AM , Rating: 2
The price cut should help sell PS3... we'll know in a few weeks when retailers report their sales. I think SONY should have made the new HIGH end model come with a 100GB drive... 60 isn't bad, its a lot better than the 360's 20GB which doesn't leave much room for anything.

Keep in mind, many people still don't know that the PS3's HD is user-servicable. You can go to newegg, spend $140 for a 200GB drive or $70 for a 120GB drive... the PS3 will auto format and prep the drive.

Okay.. quicky numbers:

PS3 = $500 : BluRay, wireless controllers and networking.
360e = $480 : DVD wireless controller. Add $85 for wireless networking device. Add $200 for HD-DVD, if needed.
Total = $765...

So... how does PS3 cost more? And when you want to transport, the PS3 has a single power cord... PS3 has a brick... and if you need to bring your HD-DVD drive, you're packing 2 bricks, 2 power cords, a data USB cable for the HD-DVD drive... ah...


RE: Price cut?
By FITCamaro on 7/10/2007 7:01:48 AM , Rating: 2
I play games with my games console. So when I bought it, 360 = $480 and PS3 = $600. Yes for $20 more a PS3 wouldn't be a bad deal if it had any good exclusive games. But you can also be sure that a 360 price drop is coming.


RE: Price cut?
By Oscarine on 7/14/2007 4:23:20 PM , Rating: 2

Ah but it will have good exclusive games. I own a 360 now, but I certainly plan on owning a PS3 once exclusives like MGS4, GT5, Killzone, and FF13 start showing up.


RE: Price cut?
By AstroCreep on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Price cut?
By bkm32 on 7/10/2007 10:15:59 AM , Rating: 2
Great link, AC.


just me?
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 2:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
is it just the people i know, or am i the only one that has seen just as many unable to read disc errors on the 360 than the red ring of death? Out of all my friends with xbox360's, only one has experienced the dreaded RROD. weirdly enough though 7 out of 10 of us have had problems with their 360's but not with rrod but the xbox was unable to read certain discs (especially rented games) and would actually what sounded like over spin the disc and make it fly off the tray while in the drive, causing the disc to scratch each time i went back to dashboard or the 360 was on for more than 30 minutes.

My point here is are warped pcb's the only big problem like we are made to believe, i have not heard a thing in the past few weeks about this with their 1 billion dollar warranties and i was just wondering whats up.




RE: just me?
By SirLucius on 7/9/2007 2:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
As far as I know the extended warranty only covers the RRoD. I know there were several people that were concerned that the warranty didn't cover disc errors since they are apparently just as common. Luckily my brothers 360 hasn't had any problems (knock on wood), and I've only known one person that's gotten a RRoD.

On a separate note, once these new "Falcon" 360's come out, I might pick up my own Elite. Although right now I'm leaning towards the PS3 once the price drops.


RE: just me?
By zombiexl on 7/9/2007 2:37:55 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 360 + HD-DVD and a Wii and I'm considering the PS3 after this drop as well. You really cant beat it for a media player.

Although, if you are looking for lots of games you may wait to see what MS does to the 360 prices (they have to do something) because they do have a nice catalog of games.


RE: just me?
By geeg on 7/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: just me?
By Sparke on 7/9/2007 4:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
Lots of problems? Like what? It's difficult to find any negatives when it comes to the PS3 hardware. The return\RMA rate is ridiculously low.


RE: just me?
By MrPickins on 7/9/2007 4:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ps3's have a lot of problems as well.


From what I hear PS3's have a much lower failure rate than the 360.

What problems are you referring to?


RE: just me?
By Rampage on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: just me?
By Hawkido on 7/16/2007 1:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Overall unattractive console

That's an opinion, some share it. I happen to like the gloss black, if only they could have made it dust repellant *SIGH*

quote:
non-industry standard HD format

LOL Blu-RAY has more Block buster movies out on it (pun intended) and more film studios support it and it is currently winning in sales (tho just barely). That makes it a Non-Industry Standard? It is a recognized industry standard standard, you do know that, RIGHT?


RE: just me?
By bkm32 on 7/10/2007 12:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
OK, that's enough. MS shills, you may leave, now.


RE: just me?
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 2:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
I wasnt really worried about warrenty as i bought mine off ebay for 450CAD 5 months after release (it was new/sealed but serial was cut out). I was more wondering why so many articles have come out in the past month about '30% defect rate' and not once has it mentioned anything other than RROD, i just wonder if these are included in those numbers??
I guess disc unreadable some of the time isnt considered a failed xbox but it would be interesting to know if with those included if the xbox's fail rate would be higher.. maybe closer to 40 or 50% heh


RE: just me?
By SirLucius on 7/9/2007 3:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
I know that some people have had the disc problem fixed under Microsoft warranty, but I think they had really bad cases. It doesn't seem like Microsoft is treating the disc errors like the RRoD though. I think people tend to be SOL.


RE: just me?
By Rockjock51 on 7/10/2007 3:06:34 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft fixed my read errors without much trouble... just called them and said I couldn't play anything cause the DVD drive wouldn't read nearly anything I put in it. They ran through their usual stupid routine .. "Have you restarted the console?" and then let me send it in.


RE: just me?
By webdawg77 on 7/9/2007 2:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
I know exactly what you mean. My GoW has become almost unplayable because of the "rings" on the disc. I can most assuredly say that I was not moving my 360 around while playing the game. My 360 has also always been in the horizontal position.

I am in the process of doing the disc exchange through Microsoft to get a new GoW disc. I wish that they would admit there is a possibility that the 360 came out too early. I hope that the new 360's also have a better disc drive. I guess this is the price for beta testing and having the "latest and greatest" early on.


RE: just me?
By InsaneGain on 7/10/2007 1:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
My cousin's XBox360 will not read his GoW disc anymore. He thought it was because there is a very tiny scratch in the disc that you can barely see.


RE: just me?
By Zigazoid on 7/9/2007 3:10:27 PM , Rating: 2
No I've had two friends who have had their videocards inside the 360 fail.

Personally I'm hoping for the red rings since my 1 year warranty is up and my 360 has now started to display a nice horitzonal purple line whenever I use it. Having that fixed will cost me $99.00

The first batch of 360's seem to have all sorts of issues besides the red rings, though the latter is the most prevelant.


RE: just me?
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 3:31:51 PM , Rating: 2
i dont think their videocards 'died' as you say.. it was probably the same rrod issue. I have opened my 360 up and unless the video chips are not cooled (which i really doubt), the chips are cased under the same heatsync as the cpu's, so im guessing the pcb warped just like in almost all of RROD cases.


RE: just me?
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 12:32:16 AM , Rating: 2
Wow you posted what happened to you and people rated you down? Fanboys. Anyway, scratched discs happen all the time to my friends with their 360s. 3 of them have needed replacements to their consoles, but the new ones don't scratch discs anymore. I'm waiting for the new SKU to come out before I get mine, because the system does have some good games out for it.


RE: just me?
By wallijonn on 7/10/2007 11:26:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the xbox was unable to read certain discs (especially rented games) and would actually what sounded like over spin the disc and make it fly off the tray while in the drive, causing the disc to scratch each time i went back to dashboard or the 360 was on for more than 30 minutes.


But is it because the rented discs were damaged in the first place? If my DVD movies rentals are any indication, the fault lies with kids and people who scratch the discs, who change them with candied fingers, etc. I usually end up cleaning about 20% of all my rentals. And yes, I've rented plenty of DVD movies which have not been able to play.


And so it begins.
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/9/2007 2:29:01 PM , Rating: 2
I would bet that people sending in for RROD cases once this is released, might end up getting one of these back, thus dropping the 1 billion USD hit they could potentially take. Not to mention that it should put an end to the RROD on the new systems.




RE: And so it begins.
By zombiexl on 7/9/2007 2:34:39 PM , Rating: 5
Then everyone and their brother will be running their 360's in shoe boxes to get the RROD to get the new model.


RE: And so it begins.
By sviola on 7/9/2007 2:49:44 PM , Rating: 2
Now all they need to do is provide the change to all Xbox, add a $100 price cut and they'll be really close to competing with the Wii and taking Sony into despair.


RE: And so it begins.
By peritusONE on 7/9/2007 4:34:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Now all they need to do is provide the change to all Xbox, add a $100 price cut and they'll be really close to competing with the Wii and taking Sony into despair.

I've said it plenty of times before, and I'll say it again. Microsoft and Sony are not directly competing with the Wii. They are not going after the same demographic. The sales of the Wii just aren't that important to the success of the 360 and PS3 IMO.


RE: And so it begins.
By Rampage on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: And so it begins.
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/9/2007 11:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
They have very little to appeal to the Wii's demographic..... except for Vivia Pinata. They need many more titles like that before any stereotypical Wii owner will want a 360.

I love the 360, but I realize that it just isn't appealing to non-gamers at this point. Perhaps Microsoft's next console will have something that will appeal to non-gamers.


RE: And so it begins.
By bkm32 on 7/10/2007 12:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
Uh, you mean people that play videogames (casual or otherwise), watch movies, and use the Internet?

quote:
Microsoft and Sony are not directly competing with the Wii. They are not going after the same demographic. The sales of the Wii just aren't that important to the success of the 360 and PS3 IMO.


That is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. It's up there Mr. Tretton's:

quote:
If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it.


Have IQs dropped suddenly. Nintendo is not only expanding the market, but has also penetrated the "hardcore" community. Moreover, MS is definitely going after the Japanese demographic as is Sony. Nintendo is kicking both of their butts, 6-to-1 and 15-to-1, Sony and MS, respectively.

If MS and Sony weren't in direct competiton with Nintendo, then the proliferation of "casual" and arcade-type games wouldn't exist on the XBL and PSN.

Wake up and smell the humiliation.


RE: And so it begins.
By EarthsDM on 7/9/2007 3:42:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not to mention that it should put an end to the RROD on the new systems.


It think that most RROD cases are caused by the GPU overheating, not the CPU. MS has to make sure all the new boxes actually get a GPU cooler so they don't die. I'm still waiting for my MacBook Pro (which I love) to be recalled so it can get a GPU cooler, too.


RE: And so it begins.
By psychobriggsy on 7/9/2007 4:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
Assuming the 33% rate is correct, and the cost of a new motherboard and shipping to and from the end user for the 360 is $150 to Microsoft, and that they will have sold 15m consoles with the current faulty design by the time this new design comes out, you're looking at 5 million replacements * $150 which is $750m.

Of those replacements, 33% will need to be replaced. That's 1.7 million consoles, or $250m. Total so far: $1b.

Of those replacements, 33% will need to be replaced. That's 500k, or $75m ... and so on.

You can argue the replacement policy for Microsoft only costs them $100 per device (but quite clearly they take in the console, replace the motherboard entirely - CPU, GPU, Memory, Chips, coolers, and so on, and ship it out again later as refurbished) but it could cost $200. You can also argue that the failure rate is far less than the 33% figure that is being bounded around. You can argue that the refurbished consoles have a far higher likelihood of failure too. Lots of variables, but whatever, Microsoft think it will cost them $1b overall and I bet that is with the new console fixing the issue for once and for all.


RE: And so it begins.
By Parhel on 7/9/2007 5:19:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you. I'm sure MS took all of the information we have available and a lot that we don't into consideration before throwing out a figure like 1 billion dollars. Their shareholders don't want to hear that kind of stuff so they have a large motivator to understate the problem. If they said 1 billion, I bet it's at least that much after all factors are taken into account.


<i>Late</i> Fall
By Goty on 7/9/2007 2:58:39 PM , Rating: 2
If they're only just qualifying chips this late into the summer, I doubt we'll see any 65nm 360s until late fall, probably just before the Christmas buying rush.




RE: <i>Late</i> Fall
By TomZ on 7/9/2007 4:58:45 PM , Rating: 1
Based on this schedule, I doubt 65nm parts will be in retail for this season. Shipments to retail for the holiday season are generally done around October, and if you work backwards from that, considering overseas production, shipping, and testing/qualification prior, I would guess there's not time for this season.

On the other hand, maybe they'll "fast track" this change in light of the issues with the existing design.


RE: <i>Late</i> Fall
By Parhel on 7/9/2007 5:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
If the failure rate is anywhere near what people are speculating, then they very well might "fast track" it considering the number of systems that will ship for the Christmas season. But, the RROD issues may have already been resolved in current systems via the revised cooling solution.


DT Deserves Credit For This
By alifbaa on 7/9/2007 4:38:29 PM , Rating: 5
DT, I think you guys deserve some of the credit for all of these latest goings on. You've reported extensively on the RROD issue, especially the 33% figure that you published last week. It seems obvious to me that they were waiting on the real number to leak out given how quickly they've moved to make it a non-issue. Clearly, whether 33% was the actual number or not, it had enough credibility to scare the crap out of them. I view it as no small coincidence that within two weeks of your report they've upped their warranty, admitted the heat sink change was an effort to eliminate problems, and now leaked 65nm details along with that little tidbit about the mobo change. Keep up the good work!




why is this news?
By Gul Westfale on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: why is this news?
By Gul Westfale on 7/9/2007 10:35:28 PM , Rating: 2
care to explain the -1?


RE: why is this news?
By sxr7171 on 7/10/2007 12:35:22 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe because you are stating the obvious.


Price Cut?
By jeromekwok on 7/9/2007 9:01:41 PM , Rating: 2
MS is gonna lose more money than expected.




nice but
By dome1234 on 7/10/2007 8:55:22 AM , Rating: 2
all goody but it won't make the box any less noisy.




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